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Religion a Net-Benefit or Net-Detriment?

Wallstreetatheist
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2/16/2014 1:13:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Net-Benefit:
{really hard to find religion quotes, don't judge] "Religion enables us to ignore nothingness and get on with the jobs of life." -John Updike

Net-Detriment:
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -Steven Weinberg

What do you think?
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Skyangel
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2/16/2014 1:19:44 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 1:13:16 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Net-Benefit:
{really hard to find religion quotes, don't judge] "Religion enables us to ignore nothingness and get on with the jobs of life." -John Updike

Net-Detriment:
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -Steven Weinberg

What do you think?

If people do evil things they cannot be considered good people.
Wallstreetatheist
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2/16/2014 1:20:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Benefits include primitive self-help and self-development advice, community, inspiration for works of art and architecture, feelings of enlightenment, easy way to construct an identity, flawed but better than nothing moral code, cool traditions and symbolism, interesting stories.

Detriments include inciting genocide, violence, us vs. them mentality, fosters antipathy toward science and understanding, permitting slavery, child abuse, animal abuse, etc.
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Installgentoo
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2/16/2014 4:33:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 1:20:09 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:

Detriments include inciting genocide,

Even though atheists and atheistic world-views have been responsible for most of the genocides in the 20th century?

violence,

See above.

us vs. them mentality,

Every human being has an us vs them mentality to a lesser or greater degree. This has been found to be built into us by evolution.

fosters antipathy toward science and understanding,

Yet most of the scientists before the 18th century were monks.

permitting slavery,

When has any religion permitted slavery?

child abuse,

A couple thousand pedophile priests is less of a stain on my conscience than the number of people genocided by atheists.

animal abuse, etc.

When has any religion called for animal abuse?
Installgentoo
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2/16/2014 4:38:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I would also like to point out that even if religion were a net-detriment to society, that in no way makes it false, any more than Darwinism being partially responsible for the Holocaust makes the theory of evolution false.
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2/16/2014 9:06:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 1:13:16 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Net-Benefit:
{really hard to find religion quotes, don't judge] "Religion enables us to ignore nothingness and get on with the jobs of life." -John Updike

Net-Detriment:
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -Steven Weinberg

What do you think?

God used religion to make some of His people curious of what His religious people didn't know. That's why God used science to find out.

However, physicists still don't know who our Creator is that taught me everything that physicists don't know about.
Wallstreetatheist
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2/16/2014 2:31:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/16/2014 4:38:05 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
I would also like to point out that even if religion were a net-detriment to society, that in no way makes it false, any more than Darwinism being partially responsible for the Holocaust makes the theory of evolution false.

There is no direct link between Darwin and Hitler. Darwin never advocated anti-semitism or genocide. Hitler never cited Darwin as an influence. Even if it could be established that Darwin's view had any kind of impact on Nazism, attaching personal blame to a historical individual for the unforeseen consequences of their work is fraught with difficulty. Should we blame Jesus for the Inquisition or Mohammed for 9/11? A more obvious historical figure to blame for the Holocaust is Martin Luther, who advocated the burning of synagogues.
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2/16/2014 2:42:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Genocide, slavery, and abuse would go on just the same without religion.
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2/18/2014 10:53:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
(08) That religion is a societal negative is no longer particularly controversial in sociological circles, it having been verified by a rapidly growing body of studies comparing both nations at large, and the situation within the US (gregspaul.webs.com/sciletter0415.pdf). This includes a new paper by Luke Galen in Mental Health, Religion and Culture that debunks the common wisdom that religious individuals tend to do better than their atheist counterparts.

Article 847 (Source: http://www.infidels.org...)