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The Rise Or Downfall Of Evolution.....

Cooldudebro
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3/15/2014 10:10:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Do you think evolutionist and it's members are on the rise, or is creationism on the rise? Which do you think is right? Explain your reasoning.
Idealist
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3/15/2014 10:14:34 PM
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At 3/15/2014 10:10:25 PM, Cooldudebro wrote:
Do you think evolutionist and it's members are on the rise, or is creationism on the rise? Which do you think is right? Explain your reasoning.

I think that acceptance of evolution is on the rise, but I'm not sure where creationism is going yet. It's possible to accept both. There is still no scientific theory of abiogenesis.
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3/15/2014 10:29:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I believe evolution explains how species change to fit and survive their environments. It's a marvelously elegant theory that looks good on paper but has some troubles with real examples not quite fitting actual rapid evolutionary changes in morphology, the changes actually unexplainable by evolutionary theory because of happening too fast, as if some forms were preparing for such before they needed them to survive new conditions that hadn't appeared yet, e.g. our primate generalized form making it easier for us to adapt to quite varied environments. Were we "lucky" as a species or was it pre-determined?

I am trained in scientific method that uses evolutionary theory for explaining all evolutionary changes in morphology. But I've had many a spiritual experience and thus "know" physical reality and spiritual phenomena co-exist and I've have experienced the world as "maya", what the Hindus call seeing the world as a great Play or Illusion. Once in that mentality you really can never go backwards to thinking the world of appearances is all there is to it. I have seen the world as an illusion so to me Creation does run of what appears to be random chance events but it's only at the surface level. There is another reality hidden underneath the material world overlays, one that is glimpsed only in spiritual experiences. But truer than what we normally see as "reality" because normal reality can't produce insights beyond time and space yet we have them, "heaven", "the World to Come, "maya" these are outside normal reality but are always reported by human beings since they could speak and record their thoughts.
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3/16/2014 8:44:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/16/2014 8:39:18 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Depends where you look in the world.

Yes it would appear that the uneducated masses of America are still clinging desperately to creationism but the educated world has left it where it belongs, in fables.
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3/16/2014 9:13:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I think this topic is best put in the Science section but in any case, creationism beats ID. For me to accept the theory I would require its mechanisms to be plausible in respect of what is required of them. But I don't see how random mutation and natural selection can make a trait, the case worsens if you even attempt to think of it from base chemistry, since life is reducible to it.
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3/16/2014 10:47:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I don't think many evolution proponents ever refer to themselves as 'Evolutionists'. Much like I don't refer to myself as a Relativityist, or Atomic Thoeryist. Always rather amusing to hear the word.

We probably do need to make the drive to make society scientific if we are to prosper, so it is important to get more people scientific literate in the core scientific theory, which includes evolution.

Any society that promotes ignorance while others do not will eventually get left behind, much like the United States are as we speak. It affects how people vote, and what policies & information the people will accept (nuclear energy, vaccination, homeopathy).

So we need to be doing a better job in educating our population (and not just in evolution)
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