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Pitbull15
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3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
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3/18/2014 4:16:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

A lake of fire whose fuel is people and rocks.

Does hell exist?

It does, as much as we exist.

Why is this your view?

This is my belief because in short: the universe exists therefore God exists, therefore our existence has a purpose . then coming to the religions claiming to come from God including the Abrahamic religions with their scriptures all mention the same doom, with more or less precisions.
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3/18/2014 4:22:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 4:16:18 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

A lake of fire whose fuel is people and rocks.

Does hell exist?

It does, as much as we exist.

Why is this your view?

This is my belief because in short: the universe exists therefore God exists, therefore our existence has a purpose . then coming to the religions claiming to come from God including the Abrahamic religions with their scriptures all mention the same doom, with more or less precisions.

Can you go into depth with your premises. It's my understanding that no mention of hell is mentioned in the Old Testament. I'm not sure if Jews believe in Hell, but I think it would be weird if they did.
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3/18/2014 4:33:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?
As Pitbull said, eternal seperation from god.
Does hell exist?
Yes, and it symbolizes never being able to reach god.
Why is this your view?
The bible never directly refers to it as a place of infinite torture, with metaphorical s supporting eternal separation.. Most people are truly uneducated on Christianity, and have never actually opened the bible or a piece of theological literature.
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3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.
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3/18/2014 5:27:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 4:16:18 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

A lake of fire whose fuel is people and rocks.

Does hell exist?

It does, as much as we exist.

Why is this your view?

This is my belief because in short: the universe exists therefore God exists, therefore our existence has a purpose . then coming to the religions claiming to come from God including the Abrahamic religions with their scriptures all mention the same doom, with more or less precisions.
Then I would suggest that you hold a higher moral standard than the god you love, if your version of Hell is a lake of fire and eternal suffering.
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3/18/2014 5:28:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 4:33:20 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?
As Pitbull said, eternal seperation from god.
Does hell exist?
Yes, and it symbolizes never being able to reach god.
Why is this your view?
The bible never directly refers to it as a place of infinite torture, with metaphorical s supporting eternal separation.. Most people are truly uneducated on Christianity, and have never actually opened the bible or a piece of theological literature.
Please see my response to Pitbull.
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3/18/2014 5:30:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

Either God is in Hell, too; or that just means Hell is in His sight. The main thing is that communication will be cut off between Him and Hell's inhabitants.
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3/18/2014 5:43:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 5:30:10 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

Either God is in Hell, too; or that just means Hell is in His sight. The main thing is that communication will be cut off between Him and Hell's inhabitants.
Sorry sir, but your answer sounds like a best guess, then morphs into what seems like a fact. It seems like you flip flopped on your previous statement that Hell is eternal separation from god to he may be in Hell after all, but you're just not sure.
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3/18/2014 7:09:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 5:43:18 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:30:10 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

Either God is in Hell, too; or that just means Hell is in His sight. The main thing is that communication will be cut off between Him and Hell's inhabitants.
Sorry sir, but your answer sounds like a best guess, then morphs into what seems like a fact. It seems like you flip flopped on your previous statement that Hell is eternal separation from god to he may be in Hell after all, but you're just not sure.

I know I'm not sure. I'm not going to pretend I know what Hell's like. But "eternal separation" can mean that communication of any sort would be cut off, even if God were in Hell. If you couldn't see God or speak to Him in any way, but He were still there, it would feel a lot like separation from God. We can't know for sure what happens after we die.
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3/18/2014 7:16:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

I've always wondered about that. Why couldn't God have the ability to be everywhere and yet abstain from visiting certain places? Doesn't God have a choice? It's hard to imagine an omnipotent being with no choice.
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3/18/2014 7:20:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell is a place of eternal unhappiness.

Does hell exist?

No.

Why is this your view?

Because no God with any love would let a soul suffer forever when he/she had the ability to end it.
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3/18/2014 11:08:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:

After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?

Not from what I've read about him. That would be reward.
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3/18/2014 11:09:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 4:22:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:16:18 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

A lake of fire whose fuel is people and rocks.

Does hell exist?

It does, as much as we exist.

Why is this your view?

This is my belief because in short: the universe exists therefore God exists, therefore our existence has a purpose . then coming to the religions claiming to come from God including the Abrahamic religions with their scriptures all mention the same doom, with more or less precisions.

Can you go into depth with your premises. It's my understanding that no mention of hell is mentioned in the Old Testament. I'm not sure if Jews believe in Hell, but I think it would be weird if they did.

We don't.
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3/18/2014 11:14:01 PM
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At 3/18/2014 11:09:59 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:22:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:16:18 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

A lake of fire whose fuel is people and rocks.

Does hell exist?

It does, as much as we exist.

Why is this your view?

This is my belief because in short: the universe exists therefore God exists, therefore our existence has a purpose . then coming to the religions claiming to come from God including the Abrahamic religions with their scriptures all mention the same doom, with more or less precisions.

Can you go into depth with your premises. It's my understanding that no mention of hell is mentioned in the Old Testament. I'm not sure if Jews believe in Hell, but I think it would be weird if they did.

We don't.

Thanks for answering. Does that go for most Jews? Do most Jews now believe in Hell?
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3/18/2014 11:18:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 11:14:01 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/18/2014 11:09:59 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:22:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/18/2014 4:16:18 PM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

A lake of fire whose fuel is people and rocks.

Does hell exist?

It does, as much as we exist.

Why is this your view?

This is my belief because in short: the universe exists therefore God exists, therefore our existence has a purpose . then coming to the religions claiming to come from God including the Abrahamic religions with their scriptures all mention the same doom, with more or less precisions.

Can you go into depth with your premises. It's my understanding that no mention of hell is mentioned in the Old Testament. I'm not sure if Jews believe in Hell, but I think it would be weird if they did.

We don't.

Thanks for answering. Does that go for most Jews? Do most Jews now believe in Hell?

I won't presume to speak for everyone, but I know from my Jewish education that Jews - at least, reform and conservative Jews, and even orthodox according to my relatives - don't believe in Hell. The closest thing to it is a purgatory process wherein the soul is 'cleansed' for its return to God. That process can be painful.
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3/19/2014 3:08:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 11:08:25 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:

After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?

Not from what I've read about him. That would be reward.

Not if it were revealed to you that every instance of true joy or good you've ever experienced in life was actually an extension of his presence in your life.
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3/19/2014 8:22:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 7:09:10 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:43:18 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:30:10 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

Either God is in Hell, too; or that just means Hell is in His sight. The main thing is that communication will be cut off between Him and Hell's inhabitants.
Sorry sir, but your answer sounds like a best guess, then morphs into what seems like a fact. It seems like you flip flopped on your previous statement that Hell is eternal separation from god to he may be in Hell after all, but you're just not sure.

I know I'm not sure. I'm not going to pretend I know what Hell's like. But "eternal separation" can mean that communication of any sort would be cut off, even if God were in Hell. If you couldn't see God or speak to Him in any way, but He were still there, it would feel a lot like separation from God. We can't know for sure what happens after we die.

I 100% agree with Pitbull. This is the view of most modern educated theists (Which 90% of Christians are not)
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3/19/2014 11:33:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

God doesn't necessarily have to be an actor in every area of the universe whether he's actually present or not. Keep in mind this is not physical presence. It is possible for hell to exist, for God to be technically present, and for God to not be an actor. That can still be determined as separation spiritually.
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3/19/2014 11:40:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell is a created place where God is not an actor. As it is created, it is also not eternal the way I see it. It induces suffering because God is the embodiment of good, and when good is not an actor in a situation, suffering happens. It's not really torture so much as it is deprivation. Torture implies an actor. Not that you implied it was, I'm just talking.

Does hell exist?

Yes. I could go into why it exists, but I'm honestly tired and don't feel like going into it.

Why is this your view?

Because I have faith in Christianity, and it is coherent with the Bible.
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3/19/2014 5:45:45 PM
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At 3/18/2014 7:09:10 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:43:18 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:30:10 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

Either God is in Hell, too; or that just means Hell is in His sight. The main thing is that communication will be cut off between Him and Hell's inhabitants.
Sorry sir, but your answer sounds like a best guess, then morphs into what seems like a fact. It seems like you flip flopped on your previous statement that Hell is eternal separation from god to he may be in Hell after all, but you're just not sure.

I know I'm not sure. I'm not going to pretend I know what Hell's like. But "eternal separation" can mean that communication of any sort would be cut off, even if God were in Hell. If you couldn't see God or speak to Him in any way, but He were still there, it would feel a lot like separation from God. We can't know for sure what happens after we die.
Don't get me wrong sir, I understand that you don't know what Hell may be like, and neither do I. But if you don't know, I don't see how you can state that it is separation from god. The two statements don't seem mesh. Just to be clear on what I understand your statement to be, this is what I see you saying.
I don't know what Hell is, but this is what it is. That's what I see you saying here.
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3/19/2014 5:49:45 PM
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At 3/18/2014 7:16:58 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

I've always wondered about that. Why couldn't God have the ability to be everywhere and yet abstain from visiting certain places? Doesn't God have a choice? It's hard to imagine an omnipotent being with no choice.
Sure, he would have the choice. But if that were the case, I think we can call his benevolence into question.
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3/19/2014 5:52:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 11:33:47 AM, TheOncomingStorm wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

God doesn't necessarily have to be an actor in every area of the universe whether he's actually present or not. Keep in mind this is not physical presence. It is possible for hell to exist, for God to be technically present, and for God to not be an actor. That can still be determined as separation spiritually.
So, would it be safe to say then that I, as an atheist, am in Hell now? Being spiritually separated?
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3/19/2014 6:25:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 5:49:45 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 7:16:58 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

I've always wondered about that. Why couldn't God have the ability to be everywhere and yet abstain from visiting certain places? Doesn't God have a choice? It's hard to imagine an omnipotent being with no choice.
Sure, he would have the choice. But if that were the case, I think we can call his benevolence into question.

How so, exactly?
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3/19/2014 6:31:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 6:25:55 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 3/19/2014 5:49:45 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 7:16:58 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

I've always wondered about that. Why couldn't God have the ability to be everywhere and yet abstain from visiting certain places? Doesn't God have a choice? It's hard to imagine an omnipotent being with no choice.
Sure, he would have the choice. But if that were the case, I think we can call his benevolence into question.

How so, exactly?
Because if god created Hell, and he created the rules for you to go to Hell, and he watches you in Hell, I wouldn't consider that God a very nice individual. Given what a person can go to Hell for. Hope that made sense.
I don't tend to punish my daughter for eternity because she ate fish on the wrong day.
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3/19/2014 9:39:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 6:31:35 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/19/2014 6:25:55 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 3/19/2014 5:49:45 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 7:16:58 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

I've always wondered about that. Why couldn't God have the ability to be everywhere and yet abstain from visiting certain places? Doesn't God have a choice? It's hard to imagine an omnipotent being with no choice.
Sure, he would have the choice. But if that were the case, I think we can call his benevolence into question.

How so, exactly?
Because if god created Hell, and he created the rules for you to go to Hell, and he watches you in Hell, I wouldn't consider that God a very nice individual. Given what a person can go to Hell for. Hope that made sense.
I don't tend to punish my daughter for eternity because she ate fish on the wrong day.

Gotcha. I've never believed in the idea of Hell. To tell the truth it sounds rather ridiculous to me. I've always wondered, though, why people use arguments about God's supposed omnipresence, omniscience,etc. as way to create paradoxes meant to prove that God's not real. I mean, having a power doesn't demand that the power be used.
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3/19/2014 11:16:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?
God's wrath.

Does hell exist?
Yes.

Why is this your view?
Because Scripture proves it to be true.
Better than deserved, as ALWAYS.
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3/19/2014 11:23:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Does hell exist?

Why is this your view?

I guess I'm sort of a theist (it's complicated).

I do not believe in Hell.

However, I do believe that we are all connected, and we reap each others' hate (like karma). Because we are all connected, all hate harms ourselves. This can go on for generations.
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3/20/2014 1:08:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 5:45:45 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 7:09:10 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:43:18 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:30:10 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 5:25:53 PM, superflymegastallion wrote:
At 3/18/2014 2:59:57 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
At 3/18/2014 12:20:45 AM, Wylted wrote:
What is hell?

Hell, at its most fundamental level, is a place that encompasses eternal separation from God.

Does hell exist?

If you can be separated from God forever, Hell most certainly does exist.

Why is this your view?

I can't know for sure what Heaven and Hell are like. Both are beyond human comprehension and will be for a long time if not forever, so I don't spend much time pondering them. The description of Hell in the Bible could be a metaphor, for all we know. After you die, finding out that God exists and never being able to see Him or be with Him, that would be hell, wouldn't it?
If Hell is separation from god, then god couldn't be omnipresent. (Everywhere) It is my understanding that he is.
If he is omnipresent then he must be in Hell as well.

Either God is in Hell, too; or that just means Hell is in His sight. The main thing is that communication will be cut off between Him and Hell's inhabitants.
Sorry sir, but your answer sounds like a best guess, then morphs into what seems like a fact. It seems like you flip flopped on your previous statement that Hell is eternal separation from god to he may be in Hell after all, but you're just not sure.

I know I'm not sure. I'm not going to pretend I know what Hell's like. But "eternal separation" can mean that communication of any sort would be cut off, even if God were in Hell. If you couldn't see God or speak to Him in any way, but He were still there, it would feel a lot like separation from God. We can't know for sure what happens after we die.
Don't get me wrong sir, I understand that you don't know what Hell may be like, and neither do I. But if you don't know, I don't see how you can state that it is separation from god. The two statements don't seem mesh. Just to be clear on what I understand your statement to be, this is what I see you saying.
I don't know what Hell is, but this is what it is. That's what I see you saying here.

Ah, I apologize. I'm just guessing here, really.
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