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ATHOS
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3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?
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Illegalcombatant
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3/19/2014 11:44:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM, ATHOS wrote:
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?

Cause christians have an out card. Everything we deem as good God gets the credit. Rainbows, puppies etc.

All stuff we deem bad eg: earthquakes......well that's the product of sin.

It's a huge problem when you go down this road because if bad stuff happens because of "sin" like an earthquake, and you don't want earthquakes to happen you go after the "sin" that caused it...............well next thing you know your killing homosexuals.

So now you have a bunch or primates whipped in a frenzy how they need to get rid of "sin" to stop the bad things happening.

But the bad things don't stop happening, so they just keep trying to eliminate the "sin".
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3/19/2014 11:51:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM, ATHOS wrote:
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?

Would you rephrase your question please, I may be able to answer if I understand.
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3/20/2014 7:59:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM, ATHOS wrote:
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?

Yes, isn't it divine that our world is not a can of sardines with every living thing still alive and unable to breath or move in one scenario or completely dead in another, all Life wiped out because Life ATE Life. Get a clue. There can be no Life without death. There cannot be change, the advent of the new, without destruction of the old. Logic, the Logic of Life in Creation.
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3/20/2014 9:25:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM, ATHOS wrote:
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?

Everything we experience in this world will come to an end soon. Never again will we understand decay, destruction or death. These kinds of things were only meant to keep God's people focused on this world as being something real while God was teaching us saints that there is no Truth in this world. That's because everything we see are only illusions that aren't real. Our reality is in the mind of our Creator as His dreams.
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3/20/2014 10:08:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM, ATHOS wrote:
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?

Well at the start of His creation nothing did "wither to nothingness". Then mankind sinned and the wages of sin were death.
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3/21/2014 12:14:33 AM
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At 3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM, ATHOS wrote:
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?

Your question commits the fallacy of the complex question.

http://www.logicallyfallacious.com...

Or, as lawyers like to say, "assuming facts no in evidence." It is not true that everything God creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness. Unicorns live forever.

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Juris
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3/21/2014 9:07:16 AM
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There is no God. The burden of proof lies with the believers. They do not have credible evidence to prove that there is God. They based their argument from faith and the Bible. Faith is not based on reason but simply an excuse or denial. While the Bible is not credible as it contains full of errors and not scientific nor historical.
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3/21/2014 12:09:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/21/2014 9:07:16 AM, Juris wrote:
There is no God. The burden of proof lies with the believers. They do not have credible evidence to prove that there is God. They based their argument from faith and the Bible. Faith is not based on reason but simply an excuse or denial. While the Bible is not credible as it contains full of errors and not scientific nor historical.

Do you think a saint cares about what unbelievers think of their testimonies that have no evidence to support the invisible knowledge in their mind that they share with believers?

Do you believe that this world is real? If you do, then you believe in something, too. Where's your BOP to support that this world is real?
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3/21/2014 12:58:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 11:44:11 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM, ATHOS wrote:
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?

Cause christians have an out card. Everything we deem as good God gets the credit. Rainbows, puppies etc.

All stuff we deem bad eg: earthquakes......well that's the product of sin.

It's a huge problem when you go down this road because if bad stuff happens because of "sin" like an earthquake, and you don't want earthquakes to happen you go after the "sin" that caused it...............well next thing you know your killing homosexuals.

So now you have a bunch or primates whipped in a frenzy how they need to get rid of "sin" to stop the bad things happening.

But the bad things don't stop happening, so they just keep trying to eliminate the "sin".

I did think about commenting on this in some detail, but soon realised that you have absolutely no idea what sin did cause.

Earthquakes aren't a "bad thing" they are simply the inevitable effect of tectonic places sliding one under the other.

The "bad things" that happen, happen because man has chosen to settle in earthquake prone areas and refuses to move away from them until the communities are so big and so fixed the only possible result of the inevitable earthquake is death and destruction.

You cannot blame the earthquake (or God) for man being stupid enough to stay in the areas that have them and develop large and vulnerable communities there.
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3/21/2014 1:09:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM, ATHOS wrote:
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?

Wow, a question that has been asked a million times by the same kind of person: A douche looking to cause trouble. How come christianity is the only religion atheists seem to have a hard on for? I really don't understand. By now the dead horse would have turned to mud and nutrients for the soil. It's so redundant to ask this question now.
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3/21/2014 1:13:37 PM
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At 3/21/2014 12:58:09 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/19/2014 11:44:11 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM, ATHOS wrote:
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?

Cause christians have an out card. Everything we deem as good God gets the credit. Rainbows, puppies etc.

All stuff we deem bad eg: earthquakes......well that's the product of sin.

It's a huge problem when you go down this road because if bad stuff happens because of "sin" like an earthquake, and you don't want earthquakes to happen you go after the "sin" that caused it...............well next thing you know your killing homosexuals.

So now you have a bunch or primates whipped in a frenzy how they need to get rid of "sin" to stop the bad things happening.

But the bad things don't stop happening, so they just keep trying to eliminate the "sin".

I did think about commenting on this in some detail, but soon realised that you have absolutely no idea what sin did cause.

Earthquakes aren't a "bad thing" they are simply the inevitable effect of tectonic places sliding one under the other.

The "bad things" that happen, happen because man has chosen to settle in earthquake prone areas and refuses to move away from them until the communities are so big and so fixed the only possible result of the inevitable earthquake is death and destruction.

You cannot blame the earthquake (or God) for man being stupid enough to stay in the areas that have them and develop large and vulnerable communities there.

Atypical militant atheists says, "Then why doesn't God stop them if he's so benevolent and omnipotent? Maybe it because he's not real and people are full blown retarded for believing in anything that can't be proven straight away?" The atheist says with his head firmly up his own bum.
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srehtiw
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3/21/2014 2:33:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM, ATHOS wrote:
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?

I'm sorry I'm not sure I understand the question. Do you mean how can there be a perfect/omnibenevolent god if all things wither and die?
Juris
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3/22/2014 4:01:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
There is no evidence that there is God.

People keep on saying that this is not the real world, but what the f^ck does it mean?
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3/22/2014 6:24:46 PM
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At 3/22/2014 4:01:34 AM, Juris wrote:
There is no evidence that there is God.

People keep on saying that this is not the real world, but what the f^ck does it mean?

It means this world is an illusion. The Hindus call it "maya" and in fairly rare spiritual experiences a few human beings have discovered that everything has been "arranged" prior to our existence. And by "everything" is meant just that. Everything is synchronized to "speak" to you via synchronistic experiences that are impossible to "see" in normal consciousness, the Signs are missed that are actually only the inherent Synchronization of all Reality to create Creation for our souls to learn how to live in the World To Come. This world, our Universe, is a School of Living and you can only "see" this clearly when in the state of mind that registers "maya" this world as illusionary, a Play very well Scripted down to the last sub-atomic particle and wave function but still all of coordinated to create Creation that creates Life that creates Intelligence that creates Humanity that creates God at the "End of Days", i.e. when we have learned how to create Creation and do so which we already have done and moved on. Our "selves" here are merely acting out their personal Scripts in a Creation recording being "Played", but it's not the "real" reality. Abos knew this spiritual truth too and refer to our consensual reality as the Dreamworld.
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3/22/2014 6:48:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/20/2014 7:59:55 AM, biomystic wrote:
At 3/19/2014 10:39:43 PM, ATHOS wrote:
The Christian God is renowned as a divine creator. How is this possible when everything it creates gets old, dies, and withers away into nothingness?

Yes, isn't it divine that our world is not a can of sardines with every living thing still alive and unable to breath or move in one scenario or completely dead in another, all Life wiped out because Life ATE Life. Get a clue. There can be no Life without death. There cannot be change, the advent of the new, without destruction of the old. Logic, the Logic of Life in Creation.

So God has to work inside logic now?
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3/22/2014 7:32:06 PM
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At 3/22/2014 6:24:46 PM, biomystic wrote:
At 3/22/2014 4:01:34 AM, Juris wrote:
There is no evidence that there is God.

People keep on saying that this is not the real world, but what the f^ck does it mean?

It means this world is an illusion. The Hindus call it "maya" and in fairly rare spiritual experiences a few human beings have discovered that everything has been "arranged" prior to our existence. And by "everything" is meant just that. Everything is synchronized to "speak" to you via synchronistic experiences that are impossible to "see" in normal consciousness, the Signs are missed that are actually only the inherent Synchronization of all Reality to create Creation for our souls to learn how to live in the World To Come. This world, our Universe, is a School of Living and you can only "see" this clearly when in the state of mind that registers "maya" this world as illusionary, a Play very well Scripted down to the last sub-atomic particle and wave function but still all of coordinated to create Creation that creates Life that creates Intelligence that creates Humanity that creates God at the "End of Days", i.e. when we have learned how to create Creation and do so which we already have done and moved on. Our "selves" here are merely acting out their personal Scripts in a Creation recording being "Played", but it's not the "real" reality. Abos knew this spiritual truth too and refer to our consensual reality as the Dreamworld.

You're committing a fallacy!

UNfalsifiability

"Confidently asserting that a theory or hypothesis is true or false even though the theory or hypothesis cannot possibly be contradicted by an observation or the outcome of any physical experiment, usually without strong evidence or good reasons.
Making unfalsifiable claims are a way to leave the realm of rational discourse, since unfalsifiable claims are usually faith-based, and not founded on evidence and reason."

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biomystic
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3/22/2014 10:59:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Prove it. Prove I'm wrong. And not with semantic word games, please. Real evidence, real proof that human beings CANNOT evolve to become gods or God. I want to see that STOP SIGN that says NO to logical progression in human knowledge leading to human ability to manipulate everything eventually.

You rely on semantic games instead of really thinking logically using real history of human beings, not "If A" is such, then "B" must "C" given "D" factored in"...