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Cameron_Christensen
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4/1/2014 2:14:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Okay, this has been an issue ever since Darwin wrote his book The Origin of Species. I like debating it, but only when people back up their arguments with facts. Be nice and calm, don't fly into rage when I don't agree with you, and otherwise, have fun!
monty1
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4/1/2014 2:40:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/1/2014 2:14:35 PM, Cameron_Christensen wrote:
Okay, this has been an issue ever since Darwin wrote his book The Origin of Species. I like debating it, but only when people back up their arguments with facts. Be nice and calm, don't fly into rage when I don't agree with you, and otherwise, have fun!

Talk to a catholic. They have it figured out now that people were both created and evolved from lower life forms. Ask neutral how the big bang and and his '6 days and then rest' malarkey have become the same thing.

You're way behind the curve. You should be asking how long it will be before the catholic church gets with it and supports all kinds of birth control. Even the kind that comes a month or two late. They can believe anything for profit!
TheOncomingStorm
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4/1/2014 3:51:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/1/2014 2:40:06 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 4/1/2014 2:14:35 PM, Cameron_Christensen wrote:
Okay, this has been an issue ever since Darwin wrote his book The Origin of Species. I like debating it, but only when people back up their arguments with facts. Be nice and calm, don't fly into rage when I don't agree with you, and otherwise, have fun!

Talk to a catholic. They have it figured out now that people were both created and evolved from lower life forms. Ask neutral how the big bang and and his '6 days and then rest' malarkey have become the same thing.

You're way behind the curve. You should be asking how long it will be before the catholic church gets with it and supports all kinds of birth control. Even the kind that comes a month or two late. They can believe anything for profit!

What is the intellectual point you're attempting to forward by your comment?
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Dragonfang
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4/1/2014 5:52:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Or as I would like to call it: Fast Creationism vs Slow Creationism. Miraculous changes we are unable to observe today, from the god of the bible or a zero-IQ god respectively.
We are unlikely to know the cause-effect scientific answer for the origin of life. Admitting ignorance is much better than making things up.

Anyways, this can be tackled from a philosophical pov, which leaves a much bigger room for logical arguments, or a scientific pov which depends on empirical evidence to support
claims. Of course, since we are handling billions/thousands of years depending on your perspective, there will probably be history science involved, thus circumstantial evidence that allows variety of conclusions.
Installgentoo
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4/2/2014 4:47:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Evolution doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, how can a tiny change in genetics of an animal cause it to become more complex? How did a sponge evolve from a bacterium?

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution here, just that the way it works perplexes me.
bulproof
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4/2/2014 5:40:20 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 4:47:39 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Evolution doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, how can a tiny change in genetics of an animal cause it to become more complex? How did a sponge evolve from a bacterium?

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution here, just that the way it works perplexes me.
Have you ever studied it?

How do you feel about nuclear fusion?

How do you feel about photosynthesis?

Does how you feel about scientific knowledge have any effect on that scientific knowledge?
Installgentoo
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4/2/2014 6:59:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 5:40:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2014 4:47:39 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Evolution doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, how can a tiny change in genetics of an animal cause it to become more complex? How did a sponge evolve from a bacterium?

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution here, just that the way it works perplexes me.
Have you ever studied it?

How do you feel about nuclear fusion?

How do you feel about photosynthesis?

Does how you feel about scientific knowledge have any effect on that scientific knowledge?

I've studied enough of evolution to find the idea of sponges forming from bacteria ridiculous, bulproof.
bulproof
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4/2/2014 7:26:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 6:59:52 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:40:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2014 4:47:39 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Evolution doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, how can a tiny change in genetics of an animal cause it to become more complex? How did a sponge evolve from a bacterium?

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution here, just that the way it works perplexes me.
Have you ever studied it?

How do you feel about nuclear fusion?

How do you feel about photosynthesis?

Does how you feel about scientific knowledge have any effect on that scientific knowledge?

I've studied enough of evolution to find the idea of sponges forming from bacteria ridiculous, bulproof.

It is patently obvious that you haven't, by that very statement. Study and learn and then come to a conclusion from which you can produce an argument and then come back to us.
Installgentoo
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4/2/2014 8:04:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 7:26:55 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:59:52 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:40:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2014 4:47:39 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Evolution doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, how can a tiny change in genetics of an animal cause it to become more complex? How did a sponge evolve from a bacterium?

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution here, just that the way it works perplexes me.
Have you ever studied it?

How do you feel about nuclear fusion?

How do you feel about photosynthesis?

Does how you feel about scientific knowledge have any effect on that scientific knowledge?

I've studied enough of evolution to find the idea of sponges forming from bacteria ridiculous, bulproof.

It is patently obvious that you haven't, by that very statement. Study and learn and then come to a conclusion from which you can produce an argument and then come back to us.

It is patently obvious that you can't refute me, by your very response. Study and learn and then come to a conclusion from which you can produce an argument and then come back to us.
monty1
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4/2/2014 12:24:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 6:59:52 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:40:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2014 4:47:39 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Evolution doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, how can a tiny change in genetics of an animal cause it to become more complex? How did a sponge evolve from a bacterium?

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution here, just that the way it works perplexes me.
Have you ever studied it?

How do you feel about nuclear fusion?

How do you feel about photosynthesis?

Does how you feel about scientific knowledge have any effect on that scientific knowledge?

I've studied enough of evolution to find the idea of sponges forming from bacteria ridiculous, bulproof.

Would you like to sign on to and align yourself with Intelligent Design and the Discovery Institute? If so then go the the ID thread and make your submission by answering my questions put to Christians.

But first you need to know that my intent there at the moment is not to shoot down Christianity, it's to have Christians declare what they believe. You can have Darwin't natural selection or you can have the Discovery Institute which is representing ID.
You can't have both!
Installgentoo
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4/2/2014 12:33:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 12:24:49 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:59:52 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:40:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2014 4:47:39 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Evolution doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, how can a tiny change in genetics of an animal cause it to become more complex? How did a sponge evolve from a bacterium?

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution here, just that the way it works perplexes me.
Have you ever studied it?

How do you feel about nuclear fusion?

How do you feel about photosynthesis?

Does how you feel about scientific knowledge have any effect on that scientific knowledge?

I've studied enough of evolution to find the idea of sponges forming from bacteria ridiculous, bulproof.

Would you like to sign on to and align yourself with Intelligent Design and the Discovery Institute? If so then go the the ID thread and make your submission by answering my questions put to Christians.

But first you need to know that my intent there at the moment is not to shoot down Christianity, it's to have Christians declare what they believe. You can have Darwin't natural selection or you can have the Discovery Institute which is representing ID.
You can't have both!

False dilemma. The discovery institute does not represent any mainstream Christian organization.
monty1
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4/2/2014 12:52:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 12:33:16 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/2/2014 12:24:49 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:59:52 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:40:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2014 4:47:39 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Evolution doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, how can a tiny change in genetics of an animal cause it to become more complex? How did a sponge evolve from a bacterium?

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution here, just that the way it works perplexes me.
Have you ever studied it?

How do you feel about nuclear fusion?

How do you feel about photosynthesis?

Does how you feel about scientific knowledge have any effect on that scientific knowledge?

I've studied enough of evolution to find the idea of sponges forming from bacteria ridiculous, bulproof.

Would you like to sign on to and align yourself with Intelligent Design and the Discovery Institute? If so then go the the ID thread and make your submission by answering my questions put to Christians.

But first you need to know that my intent there at the moment is not to shoot down Christianity, it's to have Christians declare what they believe. You can have Darwin't natural selection or you can have the Discovery Institute which is representing ID.
You can't have both!

False dilemma. The discovery institute does not represent any mainstream Christian organization.

Yes, you can reject them. But do you reject Intelligent Design too? You can't reject one and not the other.
Iredia
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4/2/2014 1:04:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Well, I doubt the theory because it runs against facts commonly observed, it mechanisms are obviously lacking (to a clear mind) and as it applies to humans results in a property manifestly not physical. I don't think anyone can believe in evolution without ignoring facts (such as that of limits to variation) as Darwin did. But even more critical than that is that evolutionists REALLY need to evolve. This is the 21st century and experiments such as those with fruit flies by Thomas Morgan, the works of McClintock and rational thinking tell us that random mutations at best lead to trivial changes and are generally harmful. It kills logic to insist that accidents which all living things have systems to repair or prevent (via redundancy in the genetic code), effect new systems_and by extension_new lifeforms. Adaptive mutation is the way forward and the fact that random mutations (as opposed to adaptive (or directed) mutations) is a great tragedy in this time. At least, for the sake of truth let scientists admit what they write in their journals. The mutations responsible for speciation and examples of evolution in action are directed by cellular processes within organisms in response to changes in the environment. We can then ask if the control systems eg operons and prmoters behind such adaptive mutatiins evolved or were designed. That's a more rational case to argue. Random mutations has been dead and buried for decades.
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Dragonfang
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4/2/2014 1:19:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 7:26:55 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:59:52 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:40:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2014 4:47:39 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Evolution doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, how can a tiny change in genetics of an animal cause it to become more complex? How did a sponge evolve from a bacterium?

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution here, just that the way it works perplexes me.
Have you ever studied it?

How do you feel about nuclear fusion?

How do you feel about photosynthesis?

Does how you feel about scientific knowledge have any effect on that scientific knowledge?

I've studied enough of evolution to find the idea of sponges forming from bacteria ridiculous, bulproof.

It is patently obvious that you haven't, by that very statement. Study and learn and then come to a conclusion from which you can produce an argument and then come back to us.

*Achoo* My suspicion senses are tingling...

Sorry, I had the sudden feeling that someone is proclaiming knowledge of how ancestors of a bacteria can become sponge. Oh my! An evolutionetic! It must be you! Oh, please show us kindness and compassion by enlightening us and sparing some of your wealth of knowledge.
Installgentoo
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4/2/2014 1:46:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 12:52:34 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 4/2/2014 12:33:16 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/2/2014 12:24:49 PM, monty1 wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:59:52 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:40:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2014 4:47:39 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
Evolution doesn't make much sense to me. I mean, how can a tiny change in genetics of an animal cause it to become more complex? How did a sponge evolve from a bacterium?

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution here, just that the way it works perplexes me.
Have you ever studied it?

How do you feel about nuclear fusion?

How do you feel about photosynthesis?

Does how you feel about scientific knowledge have any effect on that scientific knowledge?

I've studied enough of evolution to find the idea of sponges forming from bacteria ridiculous, bulproof.

Would you like to sign on to and align yourself with Intelligent Design and the Discovery Institute? If so then go the the ID thread and make your submission by answering my questions put to Christians.

But first you need to know that my intent there at the moment is not to shoot down Christianity, it's to have Christians declare what they believe. You can have Darwin't natural selection or you can have the Discovery Institute which is representing ID.
You can't have both!

False dilemma. The discovery institute does not represent any mainstream Christian organization.

Yes, you can reject them. But do you reject Intelligent Design too? You can't reject one and not the other.

I believe in intelligent design because there is more evidence for that than evolution. But I don't see what that has to do with the general Christian position on evolution.
Cooldudebro
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4/2/2014 1:50:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I believe in evolution because

1: Adam and Eve make no sense

2: There is actually evidence for evolution

You can believe in god and evolution