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Romanii
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4/2/2014 5:05:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The "God of Gaps" argument is basically the contention that, historically, God's role in the universe has seemingly shrunk with each major advance in science, so it is illogical to continue saying "godditit" for every gap in scientific knowledge we currently have; that it is more likely that eventually all (or at least most) gaps will be filled and there will be no more room for God to play a significant role in the universe.

I have my own rebuttal to this, but I'm interested in hearing some other theists' rebuttals as well.
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4/2/2014 6:38:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 5:05:33 PM, Romanii wrote:
The "God of Gaps" argument is basically the contention that, historically, God's role in the universe has seemingly shrunk with each major advance in science, so it is illogical to continue saying "godditit" for every gap in scientific knowledge we currently have; that it is more likely that eventually all (or at least most) gaps will be filled and there will be no more room for God to play a significant role in the universe.

I have my own rebuttal to this, but I'm interested in hearing some other theists' rebuttals as well.

The argument is na"ve. There will always be a gap. As old gaps are closed new ones are open; knowledge leads to as much questions as it brings answers.
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Romanii
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4/2/2014 6:44:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 6:38:10 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:05:33 PM, Romanii wrote:
The "God of Gaps" argument is basically the contention that, historically, God's role in the universe has seemingly shrunk with each major advance in science, so it is illogical to continue saying "godditit" for every gap in scientific knowledge we currently have; that it is more likely that eventually all (or at least most) gaps will be filled and there will be no more room for God to play a significant role in the universe.

I have my own rebuttal to this, but I'm interested in hearing some other theists' rebuttals as well.

The argument is na"ve. There will always be a gap. As old gaps are closed new ones are open; knowledge leads to as much questions as it brings answers.

So basically we will keep on saying "goddidit" forever, never knowing what his true role in the universe is?
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4/2/2014 6:56:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Intelligent Designers and the Discovery Institute teaches us that there is a gap between Cambrian lifeforms and modern or pre-Cambrian that can only be explained by creation. Has science filled that gap yet? Must creation be the answer because of that gap?
Iredia
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4/3/2014 4:20:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 6:44:13 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:38:10 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:05:33 PM, Romanii wrote:
The "God of Gaps" argument is basically the contention that, historically, God's role in the universe has seemingly shrunk with each major advance in science, so it is illogical to continue saying "godditit" for every gap in scientific knowledge we currently have; that it is more likely that eventually all (or at least most) gaps will be filled and there will be no more room for God to play a significant role in the universe.

I have my own rebuttal to this, but I'm interested in hearing some other theists' rebuttals as well.

The argument is na"ve. There will always be a gap. As old gaps are closed new ones are open; knowledge leads to as much questions as it brings answers.

So basically we will keep on saying "goddidit" forever, never knowing what his true role in the universe is?

No. We will keep saying 'Goddidit' while gaining more insights into how he made the world, which open new mysteries as to the how the physical world operates.
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4/3/2014 4:28:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 4:20:02 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:44:13 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:38:10 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:05:33 PM, Romanii wrote:
The "God of Gaps" argument is basically the contention that, historically, God's role in the universe has seemingly shrunk with each major advance in science, so it is illogical to continue saying "godditit" for every gap in scientific knowledge we currently have; that it is more likely that eventually all (or at least most) gaps will be filled and there will be no more room for God to play a significant role in the universe.

I have my own rebuttal to this, but I'm interested in hearing some other theists' rebuttals as well.

The argument is na"ve. There will always be a gap. As old gaps are closed new ones are open; knowledge leads to as much questions as it brings answers.

So basically we will keep on saying "goddidit" forever, never knowing what his true role in the universe is?

No. We will keep saying 'Goddidit' while gaining more insights into how he made the world, which open new mysteries as to the how the physical world operates.

Considering the rapid decline in morals of religious societies despite their imaginary god being in supposed control, secular societies fair exceedingly better in morality -

The Decline and Fall of Christianity
Source: http://secularist10.hubpages.com...)
Installgentoo
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4/3/2014 4:44:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 6:56:44 PM, monty1 wrote:
Intelligent Designers and the Discovery Institute teaches us that there is a gap between Cambrian lifeforms and modern or pre-Cambrian that can only be explained by creation. Has science filled that gap yet? Must creation be the answer because of that gap?

That's a gap that science opened. It has been scientifically proven that the only lifeforms that existed prior to the Cambrian era were single-celled, and the ones after it were multi-cellular.

Why do you get so inredibly butthurt over people questioning evolution, btw?
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4/3/2014 4:45:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 6:44:13 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:38:10 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:05:33 PM, Romanii wrote:
The "God of Gaps" argument is basically the contention that, historically, God's role in the universe has seemingly shrunk with each major advance in science, so it is illogical to continue saying "godditit" for every gap in scientific knowledge we currently have; that it is more likely that eventually all (or at least most) gaps will be filled and there will be no more room for God to play a significant role in the universe.

I have my own rebuttal to this, but I'm interested in hearing some other theists' rebuttals as well.

The argument is na"ve. There will always be a gap. As old gaps are closed new ones are open; knowledge leads to as much questions as it brings answers.

So basically we will keep on saying "goddidit" forever, never knowing what his true role in the universe is?

Can you name any major theist that jumps to the conclusion "Goddidit" today? Are you retarded?
Iredia
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4/3/2014 4:55:46 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 4:28:08 AM, Composer wrote:
At 4/3/2014 4:20:02 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:44:13 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:38:10 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:05:33 PM, Romanii wrote:
The "God of Gaps" argument is basically the contention that, historically, God's role in the universe has seemingly shrunk with each major advance in science, so it is illogical to continue saying "godditit" for every gap in scientific knowledge we currently have; that it is more likely that eventually all (or at least most) gaps will be filled and there will be no more room for God to play a significant role in the universe.

I have my own rebuttal to this, but I'm interested in hearing some other theists' rebuttals as well.

The argument is na"ve. There will always be a gap. As old gaps are closed new ones are open; knowledge leads to as much questions as it brings answers.

So basically we will keep on saying "goddidit" forever, never knowing what his true role in the universe is?

No. We will keep saying 'Goddidit' while gaining more insights into how he made the world, which open new mysteries as to the how the physical world operates.

Considering the rapid decline in morals of religious societies despite their imaginary god being in supposed control, secular societies fair exceedingly better in morality -

The Decline and Fall of Christianity
Source: http://secularist10.hubpages.com...)

Because such secular societies have evolved a fair system of governance which such religious societies in turmoil are yet to attain. Some of such secular societies eg the Netherlands did well during an era of religious intolerance and political turmoil in Europe. In any case, I think is only a question of time when secular societies have to deal with their internal contradictions the way religions doing now: and I will quickly predict the first one, removing Christianity won't remove problems like violence typically attributed to religious indoctrination.
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4/3/2014 6:11:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 4:45:47 AM, Installgentoo wrote:

Can you name any major theist that jumps to the conclusion "Goddidit" today? Are you retarded?

How about every Creationist known?

They begin with the answer and look for anything that fits the answer.

However science begins with a question and follows the evidence.
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4/3/2014 7:21:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 6:11:40 AM, Yoshi wrote:
At 4/3/2014 4:45:47 AM, Installgentoo wrote:

Can you name any major theist that jumps to the conclusion "Goddidit" today? Are you retarded?

How about every Creationist known?


Every reputable Christian denomination rejects Creationism.

Sophisticated academic theologians do too.

Christianity and Creationism are simply no longer related to by contemporary theists today.
Romanii
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4/3/2014 7:43:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 4:45:47 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:44:13 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:38:10 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:05:33 PM, Romanii wrote:
The "God of Gaps" argument is basically the contention that, historically, God's role in the universe has seemingly shrunk with each major advance in science, so it is illogical to continue saying "godditit" for every gap in scientific knowledge we currently have; that it is more likely that eventually all (or at least most) gaps will be filled and there will be no more room for God to play a significant role in the universe.

I have my own rebuttal to this, but I'm interested in hearing some other theists' rebuttals as well.

The argument is na"ve. There will always be a gap. As old gaps are closed new ones are open; knowledge leads to as much questions as it brings answers.

So basically we will keep on saying "goddidit" forever, never knowing what his true role in the universe is?

Can you name any major theist that jumps to the conclusion "Goddidit" today? Are you retarded?

Some Christians don't believe in Evolution.... and believe that "goddidit"...

No, I don't think I'm retarded.
Romanii
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4/3/2014 7:44:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 4:20:02 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:44:13 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:38:10 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:05:33 PM, Romanii wrote:
The "God of Gaps" argument is basically the contention that, historically, God's role in the universe has seemingly shrunk with each major advance in science, so it is illogical to continue saying "godditit" for every gap in scientific knowledge we currently have; that it is more likely that eventually all (or at least most) gaps will be filled and there will be no more room for God to play a significant role in the universe.

I have my own rebuttal to this, but I'm interested in hearing some other theists' rebuttals as well.

The argument is na"ve. There will always be a gap. As old gaps are closed new ones are open; knowledge leads to as much questions as it brings answers.

So basically we will keep on saying "goddidit" forever, never knowing what his true role in the universe is?

No. We will keep saying 'Goddidit' while gaining more insights into how he made the world, which open new mysteries as to the how the physical world operates.

But if all our previous "Goddidits" were wrong then how can we believe that our future ones will be correct as well?
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4/3/2014 7:46:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 7:21:38 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/3/2014 6:11:40 AM, Yoshi wrote:
At 4/3/2014 4:45:47 AM, Installgentoo wrote:

Can you name any major theist that jumps to the conclusion "Goddidit" today? Are you retarded?

How about every Creationist known?


Every reputable Christian denomination rejects Creationism.

Sophisticated academic theologians do too.

Christianity and Creationism are simply no longer related to by contemporary theists today.

OH!
What do christians believe in now?
Iredia
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4/4/2014 3:13:44 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 7:44:31 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 4/3/2014 4:20:02 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:44:13 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:38:10 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:05:33 PM, Romanii wrote:
The "God of Gaps" argument is basically the contention that, historically, God's role in the universe has seemingly shrunk with each major advance in science, so it is illogical to continue saying "godditit" for every gap in scientific knowledge we currently have; that it is more likely that eventually all (or at least most) gaps will be filled and there will be no more room for God to play a significant role in the universe.

I have my own rebuttal to this, but I'm interested in hearing some other theists' rebuttals as well.

The argument is na"ve. There will always be a gap. As old gaps are closed new ones are open; knowledge leads to as much questions as it brings answers.

So basically we will keep on saying "goddidit" forever, never knowing what his true role in the universe is?

No. We will keep saying 'Goddidit' while gaining more insights into how he made the world, which open new mysteries as to the how the physical world operates.

But if all our previous "Goddidits" were wrong then how can we believe that our future ones will be correct as well?

Our "Goddidits" were wrong in confusing a final cause for the efficient cause. It's like saying your parents caused your existence, they are in part but not entirely_there are other factors involved. In summary, as the Creator God is the cause of everything, but that hardly excludes the fact we must find the physical causes He established whuch dictate how things are, and how they interact.
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Romanii
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4/4/2014 7:39:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/4/2014 3:13:44 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/3/2014 7:44:31 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 4/3/2014 4:20:02 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:44:13 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 4/2/2014 6:38:10 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/2/2014 5:05:33 PM, Romanii wrote:
The "God of Gaps" argument is basically the contention that, historically, God's role in the universe has seemingly shrunk with each major advance in science, so it is illogical to continue saying "godditit" for every gap in scientific knowledge we currently have; that it is more likely that eventually all (or at least most) gaps will be filled and there will be no more room for God to play a significant role in the universe.

I have my own rebuttal to this, but I'm interested in hearing some other theists' rebuttals as well.

The argument is na"ve. There will always be a gap. As old gaps are closed new ones are open; knowledge leads to as much questions as it brings answers.

So basically we will keep on saying "goddidit" forever, never knowing what his true role in the universe is?

No. We will keep saying 'Goddidit' while gaining more insights into how he made the world, which open new mysteries as to the how the physical world operates.

But if all our previous "Goddidits" were wrong then how can we believe that our future ones will be correct as well?

Our "Goddidits" were wrong in confusing a final cause for the efficient cause. It's like saying your parents caused your existence, they are in part but not entirely_there are other factors involved. In summary, as the Creator God is the cause of everything, but that hardly excludes the fact we must find the physical causes He established whuch dictate how things are, and how they interact.

Hmmm... okay that's a pretty solid rebuttal to the God of Gaps argument.
I'd like to hear an atheist try and refute it :D