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4/2/2014 11:05:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Christian Privilege as a Nonconscious Ideology:
The concept of "nonconscious ideology" was created to describe those ideologies whose implicit, unreflective, and uncritical acceptance help maintain their dominance in society. Sexism and racism are nonconscious ideologies in which the inferiority of one group is reinforced through a multitude of assumptions and interactions that occur outside our conscious consideration. The same is true with Christian Privilege: Christians are continuously told that they are special and deserve privileges.

Christian Privileges for Holidays & Holy Days:
Many stores take the Christian sabbath into account
Most Christians don"t have to work on their holiest days
Christians can assume they will see TV specials and hear music related to their holidays
Christians can erect Christian holiday displays without fearing vandalism
Christians expect to be greeted with references to their holidays (Merry Christmas)
Christians can ignore and be ignorant of other religions" holidays
School events will probably address Christian holidays

Christian Privileges in American Culture:
When traveling, Christians can assume they"ll find churches of their denomination
It"s easy for Christians to find a religious site to marry
Christians easily find Christian movies, radio programs, and TV shows
When someone talks about or thanks God, Christians can assume it"s their god
Christians will find Bibles in their hotel rooms
Christians have many Christian charities to donate to or get assistance from
Christians needn"t worry about finding foods to meet religious dietary requirements

Christian Privileges against Discrimination and Bigotry:
Christians can assume that they won"t be discriminated against because of their religion
Christians can assume that their opinion won"t be ignored because of their religion
Christians need not worry about moving to a place where Christians aren"t welcome
Christians rarely encounter groups that exclude Christians
Christians don"t worry about revealing their religion to parents, friends
Christians can discriminate in ways not otherwise allowed & avoid members of other religions

Christian Privileges in Schools:
Christian children will see other Christians in lessons about history
Christian children will participate in events relating to Christian holy days
Christian children will find or easily start school clubs dedicated to Christianity
Christian athletes are encouraged by Christian coaches
Christian children might avoid being exposed to foreign religions
Public school space is often shared with Christian churches
Christians can easily find private schools that cater to their religion

Christian Privilege, Fear, and Security:
Christians can wear Christian clothing or jewelry without fear
Christians can promote their religion on cars or houses without fear of vandalism
Christians don"t have to educate their kids about persecution for their own protection
Christians can ignore the language and customs of other religions without censure
Christians need not worry if their religion will hinder their professional ambitions
Christians don"t have to worry about hate groups dedicated to wiping out Christianity

Christian Privileges in the Community:
Many communities have names with Christian origins
Christians can assume that most neighbors & coworkers are Christian
Christians have directories of Christian-owned businesses
Christian businesses can hire all Christians without trying
Christians can criticize Christianity & Christian Privilege with more authority than non-Christians and without their motives being questioned
Christians can assume that almost anywhere they go and anything they do, they"ll feel normal

Christian Privileges with Christianity:
Christians aren"t expected to speak for all Christians or everyone in a denomination
Whatever Christians do, they need not worry that it will reflect poorly on Christianity
Christians easily shop for items related to Christianity, even in specialty Christian stores
Successful Christians aren"t told that they are greedy because of their religion
The word "Christian" is treated as a label representing the best human attributes

Christian Privileges in the Law:
Where relevant, laws take the Christian sabbath (Sunday) into account
Laws & regulations come with built-in exemptions for Christians & Christian beliefs.
Christians can assume that most politicians are Christians who represent Christian interests
Christians can criticize the government or society without being labeled cultural outsiders
Christians can assume that politicians won"t attack their religion
Christians assume that government prayers will be Christian in nature (they usually are)
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4/2/2014 11:06:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Source: Peggy McIntosh, L. Z. Schlosser (Christian Privilege: Breaking a Sacred Taboo)
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4/3/2014 8:47:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 11:05:45 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Christian Privilege as a Nonconscious Ideology:
The concept of "nonconscious ideology" was created to describe those ideologies whose implicit, unreflective, and uncritical acceptance help maintain their dominance in society. Sexism and racism are nonconscious ideologies in which the inferiority of one group is reinforced through a multitude of assumptions and interactions that occur outside our conscious consideration. The same is true with Christian Privilege: Christians are continuously told that they are special and deserve privileges.

Christian Privileges for Holidays & Holy Days:
Many stores take the Christian sabbath into account
Most Christians don"t have to work on their holiest days
Christians can assume they will see TV specials and hear music related to their holidays
Christians can erect Christian holiday displays without fearing vandalism
Christians expect to be greeted with references to their holidays (Merry Christmas)
Christians can ignore and be ignorant of other religions" holidays
School events will probably address Christian holidays

Christian Privileges in American Culture:
When traveling, Christians can assume they"ll find churches of their denomination
It"s easy for Christians to find a religious site to marry
Christians easily find Christian movies, radio programs, and TV shows
When someone talks about or thanks God, Christians can assume it"s their god
Christians will find Bibles in their hotel rooms
Christians have many Christian charities to donate to or get assistance from
Christians needn"t worry about finding foods to meet religious dietary requirements

Christian Privileges against Discrimination and Bigotry:
Christians can assume that they won"t be discriminated against because of their religion
Christians can assume that their opinion won"t be ignored because of their religion
Christians need not worry about moving to a place where Christians aren"t welcome
Christians rarely encounter groups that exclude Christians
Christians don"t worry about revealing their religion to parents, friends
Christians can discriminate in ways not otherwise allowed & avoid members of other religions

Christian Privileges in Schools:
Christian children will see other Christians in lessons about history
Christian children will participate in events relating to Christian holy days
Christian children will find or easily start school clubs dedicated to Christianity
Christian athletes are encouraged by Christian coaches
Christian children might avoid being exposed to foreign religions
Public school space is often shared with Christian churches
Christians can easily find private schools that cater to their religion

Christian Privilege, Fear, and Security:
Christians can wear Christian clothing or jewelry without fear
Christians can promote their religion on cars or houses without fear of vandalism
Christians don"t have to educate their kids about persecution for their own protection
Christians can ignore the language and customs of other religions without censure
Christians need not worry if their religion will hinder their professional ambitions
Christians don"t have to worry about hate groups dedicated to wiping out Christianity

Christian Privileges in the Community:
Many communities have names with Christian origins
Christians can assume that most neighbors & coworkers are Christian
Christians have directories of Christian-owned businesses
Christian businesses can hire all Christians without trying
Christians can criticize Christianity & Christian Privilege with more authority than non-Christians and without their motives being questioned
Christians can assume that almost anywhere they go and anything they do, they"ll feel normal

Christian Privileges with Christianity:
Christians aren"t expected to speak for all Christians or everyone in a denomination
Whatever Christians do, they need not worry that it will reflect poorly on Christianity
Christians easily shop for items related to Christianity, even in specialty Christian stores
Successful Christians aren"t told that they are greedy because of their religion
The word "Christian" is treated as a label representing the best human attributes

Christian Privileges in the Law:
Where relevant, laws take the Christian sabbath (Sunday) into account
Laws & regulations come with built-in exemptions for Christians & Christian beliefs.
Christians can assume that most politicians are Christians who represent Christian interests
Christians can criticize the government or society without being labeled cultural outsiders
Christians can assume that politicians won"t attack their religion
Christians assume that government prayers will be Christian in nature (they usually are)

With most of those things, I don't have a problem. We do live in a predominantly Christian country. The problem I see is with evangelical fundamentalism's insistence on blurring the lines between the separation of Church and State, in the State sponsorship of Christianity with prayer in schools and Christian symbols displayed in or on the property of public facilities and the legislation of Christian morality into secular law, with no other justification than its religious canon supports it.
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4/3/2014 11:42:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 8:47:38 AM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/2/2014 11:05:45 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Christian Privilege as a Nonconscious Ideology:
The concept of "nonconscious ideology" was created to describe those ideologies whose implicit, unreflective, and uncritical acceptance help maintain their dominance in society. Sexism and racism are nonconscious ideologies in which the inferiority of one group is reinforced through a multitude of assumptions and interactions that occur outside our conscious consideration. The same is true with Christian Privilege: Christians are continuously told that they are special and deserve privileges.

Christian Privileges for Holidays & Holy Days:
Many stores take the Christian sabbath into account
Most Christians don"t have to work on their holiest days
Christians can assume they will see TV specials and hear music related to their holidays
Christians can erect Christian holiday displays without fearing vandalism
Christians expect to be greeted with references to their holidays (Merry Christmas)
Christians can ignore and be ignorant of other religions" holidays
School events will probably address Christian holidays

Christian Privileges in American Culture:
When traveling, Christians can assume they"ll find churches of their denomination
It"s easy for Christians to find a religious site to marry
Christians easily find Christian movies, radio programs, and TV shows
When someone talks about or thanks God, Christians can assume it"s their god
Christians will find Bibles in their hotel rooms
Christians have many Christian charities to donate to or get assistance from
Christians needn"t worry about finding foods to meet religious dietary requirements

Christian Privileges against Discrimination and Bigotry:
Christians can assume that they won"t be discriminated against because of their religion
Christians can assume that their opinion won"t be ignored because of their religion
Christians need not worry about moving to a place where Christians aren"t welcome
Christians rarely encounter groups that exclude Christians
Christians don"t worry about revealing their religion to parents, friends
Christians can discriminate in ways not otherwise allowed & avoid members of other religions

Christian Privileges in Schools:
Christian children will see other Christians in lessons about history
Christian children will participate in events relating to Christian holy days
Christian children will find or easily start school clubs dedicated to Christianity
Christian athletes are encouraged by Christian coaches
Christian children might avoid being exposed to foreign religions
Public school space is often shared with Christian churches
Christians can easily find private schools that cater to their religion

Christian Privilege, Fear, and Security:
Christians can wear Christian clothing or jewelry without fear
Christians can promote their religion on cars or houses without fear of vandalism
Christians don"t have to educate their kids about persecution for their own protection
Christians can ignore the language and customs of other religions without censure
Christians need not worry if their religion will hinder their professional ambitions
Christians don"t have to worry about hate groups dedicated to wiping out Christianity

Christian Privileges in the Community:
Many communities have names with Christian origins
Christians can assume that most neighbors & coworkers are Christian
Christians have directories of Christian-owned businesses
Christian businesses can hire all Christians without trying
Christians can criticize Christianity & Christian Privilege with more authority than non-Christians and without their motives being questioned
Christians can assume that almost anywhere they go and anything they do, they"ll feel normal

Christian Privileges with Christianity:
Christians aren"t expected to speak for all Christians or everyone in a denomination
Whatever Christians do, they need not worry that it will reflect poorly on Christianity
Christians easily shop for items related to Christianity, even in specialty Christian stores
Successful Christians aren"t told that they are greedy because of their religion
The word "Christian" is treated as a label representing the best human attributes

Christian Privileges in the Law:
Where relevant, laws take the Christian sabbath (Sunday) into account
Laws & regulations come with built-in exemptions for Christians & Christian beliefs.
Christians can assume that most politicians are Christians who represent Christian interests
Christians can criticize the government or society without being labeled cultural outsiders
Christians can assume that politicians won"t attack their religion
Christians assume that government prayers will be Christian in nature (they usually are)

and Christian symbols displayed in or on the property of public facilities

Out of curiosity, what do you think of the destruction of Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? How about the destruction of Buddhist statues in China?
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4/3/2014 2:50:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 11:05:45 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Christian Privilege as a Nonconscious Ideology:
The concept of "nonconscious ideology" was created to describe those ideologies whose implicit, unreflective, and uncritical acceptance help maintain their dominance in society. Sexism and racism are nonconscious ideologies in which the inferiority of one group is reinforced through a multitude of assumptions and interactions that occur outside our conscious consideration. The same is true with Christian Privilege: Christians are continuously told that they are special and deserve privileges.

Christian Privileges for Holidays & Holy Days:
Many stores take the Christian sabbath into account
Most Christians don"t have to work on their holiest days
Christians can assume they will see TV specials and hear music related to their holidays
Christians can erect Christian holiday displays without fearing vandalism
Christians expect to be greeted with references to their holidays (Merry Christmas)
Christians can ignore and be ignorant of other religions" holidays
School events will probably address Christian holidays

Christian Privileges in American Culture:
When traveling, Christians can assume they"ll find churches of their denomination
It"s easy for Christians to find a religious site to marry
Christians easily find Christian movies, radio programs, and TV shows
When someone talks about or thanks God, Christians can assume it"s their god
Christians will find Bibles in their hotel rooms
Christians have many Christian charities to donate to or get assistance from
Christians needn"t worry about finding foods to meet religious dietary requirements

Christian Privileges against Discrimination and Bigotry:
Christians can assume that they won"t be discriminated against because of their religion
Christians can assume that their opinion won"t be ignored because of their religion
Christians need not worry about moving to a place where Christians aren"t welcome
Christians rarely encounter groups that exclude Christians
Christians don"t worry about revealing their religion to parents, friends
Christians can discriminate in ways not otherwise allowed & avoid members of other religions

Christian Privileges in Schools:
Christian children will see other Christians in lessons about history
Christian children will participate in events relating to Christian holy days
Christian children will find or easily start school clubs dedicated to Christianity
Christian athletes are encouraged by Christian coaches
Christian children might avoid being exposed to foreign religions
Public school space is often shared with Christian churches
Christians can easily find private schools that cater to their religion

Christian Privilege, Fear, and Security:
Christians can wear Christian clothing or jewelry without fear
Christians can promote their religion on cars or houses without fear of vandalism
Christians don"t have to educate their kids about persecution for their own protection
Christians can ignore the language and customs of other religions without censure
Christians need not worry if their religion will hinder their professional ambitions
Christians don"t have to worry about hate groups dedicated to wiping out Christianity

Christian Privileges in the Community:
Many communities have names with Christian origins
Christians can assume that most neighbors & coworkers are Christian
Christians have directories of Christian-owned businesses
Christian businesses can hire all Christians without trying
Christians can criticize Christianity & Christian Privilege with more authority than non-Christians and without their motives being questioned
Christians can assume that almost anywhere they go and anything they do, they"ll feel normal

Christian Privileges with Christianity:
Christians aren"t expected to speak for all Christians or everyone in a denomination
Whatever Christians do, they need not worry that it will reflect poorly on Christianity
Christians easily shop for items related to Christianity, even in specialty Christian stores
Successful Christians aren"t told that they are greedy because of their religion
The word "Christian" is treated as a label representing the best human attributes

Christian Privileges in the Law:
Where relevant, laws take the Christian sabbath (Sunday) into account
Laws & regulations come with built-in exemptions for Christians & Christian beliefs.
Christians can assume that most politicians are Christians who represent Christian interests
Christians can criticize the government or society without being labeled cultural outsiders
Christians can assume that politicians won"t attack their religion
Christians assume that government prayers will be Christian in nature (they usually are)

A. It helps that we're currently more than 70% of the US Population.
B. We don't actively persecute atheists or anyone else. Perhaps some Christians will call a non-Christian by a derogatory term, but that's about it.
C. This is one of few countries where Christianity has special privilege. I can assure you that in many countries Islam has this special privilege, and Christians are persecuted in a way far worse than the goodness of our alleged special privilege here.

My turn:
-Evolution (an Anti-Christian doctrine) is taught in virtually all schools which receive government funding.

-Many movies and shows portray Christianity or Conservatism in a negative light.

-For every one church there's 100 pornographic images on the internet (not an actual figure, but hopefully you get my point)

-In bookstores there are books on why God is supposedly dead and how religion is supposedly a societal evil.

Basically, a minority group (atheists) have more control over society than they should. Should I go on?
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4/4/2014 9:23:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 2:26:58 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why does this topic exist?
And posted by someone from Austria?
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4/4/2014 9:32:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/4/2014 9:23:01 AM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 4/3/2014 2:26:58 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why does this topic exist?
And posted by someone from Austria?

Because people from Austria aren't allowed to ask questions?
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4/4/2014 10:38:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 11:42:49 AM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 4/3/2014 8:47:38 AM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/2/2014 11:05:45 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Christian Privilege as a Nonconscious Ideology:
The concept of "nonconscious ideology" was created to describe those ideologies whose implicit, unreflective, and uncritical acceptance help maintain their dominance in society. Sexism and racism are nonconscious ideologies in which the inferiority of one group is reinforced through a multitude of assumptions and interactions that occur outside our conscious consideration. The same is true with Christian Privilege: Christians are continuously told that they are special and deserve privileges.

Christian Privileges for Holidays & Holy Days:
Many stores take the Christian sabbath into account
Most Christians don"t have to work on their holiest days
Christians can assume they will see TV specials and hear music related to their holidays
Christians can erect Christian holiday displays without fearing vandalism
Christians expect to be greeted with references to their holidays (Merry Christmas)
Christians can ignore and be ignorant of other religions" holidays
School events will probably address Christian holidays

Christian Privileges in American Culture:
When traveling, Christians can assume they"ll find churches of their denomination
It"s easy for Christians to find a religious site to marry
Christians easily find Christian movies, radio programs, and TV shows
When someone talks about or thanks God, Christians can assume it"s their god
Christians will find Bibles in their hotel rooms
Christians have many Christian charities to donate to or get assistance from
Christians needn"t worry about finding foods to meet religious dietary requirements

Christian Privileges against Discrimination and Bigotry:
Christians can assume that they won"t be discriminated against because of their religion
Christians can assume that their opinion won"t be ignored because of their religion
Christians need not worry about moving to a place where Christians aren"t welcome
Christians rarely encounter groups that exclude Christians
Christians don"t worry about revealing their religion to parents, friends
Christians can discriminate in ways not otherwise allowed & avoid members of other religions

Christian Privileges in Schools:
Christian children will see other Christians in lessons about history
Christian children will participate in events relating to Christian holy days
Christian children will find or easily start school clubs dedicated to Christianity
Christian athletes are encouraged by Christian coaches
Christian children might avoid being exposed to foreign religions
Public school space is often shared with Christian churches
Christians can easily find private schools that cater to their religion

Christian Privilege, Fear, and Security:
Christians can wear Christian clothing or jewelry without fear
Christians can promote their religion on cars or houses without fear of vandalism
Christians don"t have to educate their kids about persecution for their own protection
Christians can ignore the language and customs of other religions without censure
Christians need not worry if their religion will hinder their professional ambitions
Christians don"t have to worry about hate groups dedicated to wiping out Christianity

Christian Privileges in the Community:
Many communities have names with Christian origins
Christians can assume that most neighbors & coworkers are Christian
Christians have directories of Christian-owned businesses
Christian businesses can hire all Christians without trying
Christians can criticize Christianity & Christian Privilege with more authority than non-Christians and without their motives being questioned
Christians can assume that almost anywhere they go and anything they do, they"ll feel normal

Christian Privileges with Christianity:
Christians aren"t expected to speak for all Christians or everyone in a denomination
Whatever Christians do, they need not worry that it will reflect poorly on Christianity
Christians easily shop for items related to Christianity, even in specialty Christian stores
Successful Christians aren"t told that they are greedy because of their religion
The word "Christian" is treated as a label representing the best human attributes

Christian Privileges in the Law:
Where relevant, laws take the Christian sabbath (Sunday) into account
Laws & regulations come with built-in exemptions for Christians & Christian beliefs.
Christians can assume that most politicians are Christians who represent Christian interests
Christians can criticize the government or society without being labeled cultural outsiders
Christians can assume that politicians won"t attack their religion
Christians assume that government prayers will be Christian in nature (they usually are)

and Christian symbols displayed in or on the property of public facilities

Out of curiosity, what do you think of the destruction of Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? How about the destruction of Buddhist statues in China?

When I mentioned Christian symbols, I wasn't talking about historical edifices that are apart of the architecture, like having a religious symbol carved out of or etched in stone. There are many historical buildings, in Europe, that have religious iconography integral to the buildings, themselves. I would find it abhorrent to deface or remove these symbols. Not because they have sectarian value, but, because, they speak of our history and global heritage as a civilization.

At one time, we, as a secular society, found it permissible, to endorse the Christian religion. Even though it went against our founding principles of freedom of thought and the separation of Church and State, to do so. However, as religious diversity has become an ever more present factor in American politics, it has forced us, to reaffirm our founding principles.
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4/4/2014 5:37:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/2/2014 11:05:45 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Christian Privilege as a Nonconscious Ideology:
The concept of "nonconscious ideology" was created to describe those ideologies whose implicit, unreflective, and uncritical acceptance help maintain their dominance in society. Sexism and racism are nonconscious ideologies in which the inferiority of one group is reinforced through a multitude of assumptions and interactions that occur outside our conscious consideration. The same is true with Christian Privilege: Christians are continuously told that they are special and deserve privileges.

Christian Privileges for Holidays & Holy Days:
Many stores take the Christian sabbath into account
Most Christians don"t have to work on their holiest days
Christians can assume they will see TV specials and hear music related to their holidays
Christians can erect Christian holiday displays without fearing vandalism
Christians expect to be greeted with references to their holidays (Merry Christmas)
Christians can ignore and be ignorant of other religions" holidays
School events will probably address Christian holidays

Christian Privileges in American Culture:
When traveling, Christians can assume they"ll find churches of their denomination
It"s easy for Christians to find a religious site to marry
Christians easily find Christian movies, radio programs, and TV shows
When someone talks about or thanks God, Christians can assume it"s their god
Christians will find Bibles in their hotel rooms
Christians have many Christian charities to donate to or get assistance from
Christians needn"t worry about finding foods to meet religious dietary requirements

Christian Privileges against Discrimination and Bigotry:
Christians can assume that they won"t be discriminated against because of their religion
Christians can assume that their opinion won"t be ignored because of their religion
Christians need not worry about moving to a place where Christians aren"t welcome
Christians rarely encounter groups that exclude Christians
Christians don"t worry about revealing their religion to parents, friends
Christians can discriminate in ways not otherwise allowed & avoid members of other religions

Christian Privileges in Schools:
Christian children will see other Christians in lessons about history
Christian children will participate in events relating to Christian holy days
Christian children will find or easily start school clubs dedicated to Christianity
Christian athletes are encouraged by Christian coaches
Christian children might avoid being exposed to foreign religions
Public school space is often shared with Christian churches
Christians can easily find private schools that cater to their religion

Christian Privilege, Fear, and Security:
Christians can wear Christian clothing or jewelry without fear
Christians can promote their religion on cars or houses without fear of vandalism
Christians don"t have to educate their kids about persecution for their own protection
Christians can ignore the language and customs of other religions without censure
Christians need not worry if their religion will hinder their professional ambitions
Christians don"t have to worry about hate groups dedicated to wiping out Christianity

Christian Privileges in the Community:
Many communities have names with Christian origins
Christians can assume that most neighbors & coworkers are Christian
Christians have directories of Christian-owned businesses
Christian businesses can hire all Christians without trying
Christians can criticize Christianity & Christian Privilege with more authority than non-Christians and without their motives being questioned
Christians can assume that almost anywhere they go and anything they do, they"ll feel normal

Christian Privileges with Christianity:
Christians aren"t expected to speak for all Christians or everyone in a denomination
Whatever Christians do, they need not worry that it will reflect poorly on Christianity
Christians easily shop for items related to Christianity, even in specialty Christian stores
Successful Christians aren"t told that they are greedy because of their religion
The word "Christian" is treated as a label representing the best human attributes

Christian Privileges in the Law:
Where relevant, laws take the Christian sabbath (Sunday) into account
Laws & regulations come with built-in exemptions for Christians & Christian beliefs.
Christians can assume that most politicians are Christians who represent Christian interests
Christians can criticize the government or society without being labeled cultural outsiders
Christians can assume that politicians won"t attack their religion
Christians assume that government prayers will be Christian in nature (they usually are)

Christians hate freedom of speech here in Campbell, CA., where I walk around town with messages of God's Laws that are contrary to Christian laws.
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4/5/2014 7:59:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/4/2014 10:38:36 AM, s-anthony wrote:


and Christian symbols displayed in or on the property of public facilities

Out of curiosity, what do you think of the destruction of Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? How about the destruction of Buddhist statues in China?

When I mentioned Christian symbols, I wasn't talking about historical edifices that are apart of the architecture, like having a religious symbol carved out of or etched in stone. There are many historical buildings, in Europe, that have religious iconography integral to the buildings, themselves. I would find it abhorrent to deface or remove these symbols. Not because they have sectarian value, but, because, they speak of our history and global heritage as a civilization.

I addressed 2 Asian nations, and although I know that you're alluding to the U.S., you're primarily giving Europe as an example. So I'm not really clear on what you mean by historical edifices. For instance, the Freedom From Religion Foundation considers a statue of Jesus on a ski resort in Montana as a violation of Separation Of Church And State, because it allegedly pushes a specific religion on the public. However, the statue itself is historic as it is a WWII memorial. The American Humanists Association I believe it is are the ones protesting the Cross memorial at Ground Zero. Why is that not historical?

Obviously where the line is supposedly drawn is not very clear. For instance, Richard Dawkins doesn't even agree with the actions of some American atheist activists, apparently even within an organization he's a member of. And I'm not really sure where you draw the line.

What differentiates the Christian symbols being basically attacked by atheist groups, and European iconic architecture....and Afghan and Chinese destruction of Buddhist iconic artifacts/architecture?

At one time, we, as a secular society, found it permissible, to endorse the Christian religion. Even though it went against our founding principles of freedom of thought and the separation of Church and State, to do so. However, as religious diversity has become an ever more present factor in American politics, it has forced us, to reaffirm our founding principles.

You seem to be suggesting a fairly common theme which goes something like this:

America started out as a purely secular nation, at some point we became a more fundamentalist nation, and now (possibly beginning around 1947) we're moving (or fighting to get) back to how the nation originally was at the beginning.

The nation was never more Christian, or fundamentalist than it was at the beginning. When they referred to religion back then, they were talking about denominational imperialism. They fought against the European style of theocracy where a particular denomination was in control. They were not against theocracy as in God being in control, which is why they supported prayer and Bible reading within governmental functions.
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4/5/2014 8:02:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/4/2014 9:32:23 AM, el_em_en_oh wrote:
At 4/4/2014 9:23:01 AM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 4/3/2014 2:26:58 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why does this topic exist?
And posted by someone from Austria?

Because people from Austria aren't allowed to ask questions?
It seemed to be more of a statement than a question. But yes, just as someone from Austria may ask questions, I'm basically doing the same. I'm honestly not sure why someone from Austria is making broad claims about America, even if they were originally from America.
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4/5/2014 9:51:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/3/2014 2:26:58 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why does this topic exist?

because of christian privilege exists...
: At 4/29/2014 3:14:36 AM, annanicole wrote:

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: I'll be happy to concede the raping of virgin girls, if you can find it somewhere.
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4/5/2014 10:00:18 AM
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At 4/3/2014 2:50:40 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
At 4/2/2014 11:05:45 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Christian Privilege as a Nonconscious Ideology:
The concept of "nonconscious ideology" was created to describe those ideologies whose implicit, unreflective, and uncritical acceptance help maintain their dominance in society. Sexism and racism are nonconscious ideologies in which the inferiority of one group is reinforced through a multitude of assumptions and interactions that occur outside our conscious consideration. The same is true with Christian Privilege: Christians are continuously told that they are special and deserve privileges.

Christian Privileges for Holidays & Holy Days:
Many stores take the Christian sabbath into account
Most Christians don"t have to work on their holiest days
Christians can assume they will see TV specials and hear music related to their holidays
Christians can erect Christian holiday displays without fearing vandalism
Christians expect to be greeted with references to their holidays (Merry Christmas)
Christians can ignore and be ignorant of other religions" holidays
School events will probably address Christian holidays

Christian Privileges in American Culture:
When traveling, Christians can assume they"ll find churches of their denomination
It"s easy for Christians to find a religious site to marry
Christians easily find Christian movies, radio programs, and TV shows
When someone talks about or thanks God, Christians can assume it"s their god
Christians will find Bibles in their hotel rooms
Christians have many Christian charities to donate to or get assistance from
Christians needn"t worry about finding foods to meet religious dietary requirements

Christian Privileges against Discrimination and Bigotry:
Christians can assume that they won"t be discriminated against because of their religion
Christians can assume that their opinion won"t be ignored because of their religion
Christians need not worry about moving to a place where Christians aren"t welcome
Christians rarely encounter groups that exclude Christians
Christians don"t worry about revealing their religion to parents, friends
Christians can discriminate in ways not otherwise allowed & avoid members of other religions

Christian Privileges in Schools:
Christian children will see other Christians in lessons about history
Christian children will participate in events relating to Christian holy days
Christian children will find or easily start school clubs dedicated to Christianity
Christian athletes are encouraged by Christian coaches
Christian children might avoid being exposed to foreign religions
Public school space is often shared with Christian churches
Christians can easily find private schools that cater to their religion

Christian Privilege, Fear, and Security:
Christians can wear Christian clothing or jewelry without fear
Christians can promote their religion on cars or houses without fear of vandalism
Christians don"t have to educate their kids about persecution for their own protection
Christians can ignore the language and customs of other religions without censure
Christians need not worry if their religion will hinder their professional ambitions
Christians don"t have to worry about hate groups dedicated to wiping out Christianity

Christian Privileges in the Community:
Many communities have names with Christian origins
Christians can assume that most neighbors & coworkers are Christian
Christians have directories of Christian-owned businesses
Christian businesses can hire all Christians without trying
Christians can criticize Christianity & Christian Privilege with more authority than non-Christians and without their motives being questioned
Christians can assume that almost anywhere they go and anything they do, they"ll feel normal

Christian Privileges with Christianity:
Christians aren"t expected to speak for all Christians or everyone in a denomination
Whatever Christians do, they need not worry that it will reflect poorly on Christianity
Christians easily shop for items related to Christianity, even in specialty Christian stores
Successful Christians aren"t told that they are greedy because of their religion
The word "Christian" is treated as a label representing the best human attributes

Christian Privileges in the Law:
Where relevant, laws take the Christian sabbath (Sunday) into account
Laws & regulations come with built-in exemptions for Christians & Christian beliefs.
Christians can assume that most politicians are Christians who represent Christian interests
Christians can criticize the government or society without being labeled cultural outsiders
Christians can assume that politicians won"t attack their religion
Christians assume that government prayers will be Christian in nature (they usually are)

: A. It helps that we're currently more than 70% of the US Population.

the appeal to the mob mentality...is a logical fallacy.
: B. We don't actively persecute atheists or anyone else. Perhaps some Christians will call a non-Christian by a derogatory term, but that's about it.
yea which is why in a country that is 70% christian consider atheists as trustworthy as a rapist...or can never be elected into office...give me a freaking break.

C. This is one of few countries where Christianity has special privilege. I can assure you that in many countries Islam has this special privilege, and Christians are persecuted in a way far worse than the goodness of our alleged special privilege here.
hahhhahha...you have got to be joking right...
ever heard of the kill the gays bill? in uganda...something the american christians sanctioned....
My turn:trustworthy: -Evolution (an Anti-Christian doctrine) is taught in virtually all schools which receive government funding.
as they should...separation of church and state

: -Many movies and shows portray Christianity or Conservatism in a negative light.

because they are not cherry pickers...

-For every one church there's 100 pornographic images on the internet (not an actual figure, but hopefully you get my point)
funny you should mention that...porn is very very popular in the bible belt, didn't you know

-In bookstores there are books on why God is supposedly dead and how religion is supposedly a societal evil.
because it's something worth considering

Basically, a minority group (atheists) have more control over society than they should. Should I go on?
you apparently have you head shoved up so far up your back side you can see russia from there
: At 4/29/2014 3:14:36 AM, annanicole wrote:

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: I'll be happy to concede the raping of virgin girls, if you can find it somewhere.
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4/5/2014 10:18:12 AM
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Perplexed: "ever heard of the kill the gays bill? in uganda...something the american christians sanctioned...."

Anna: Man, talk about faulty logic. Have any numbers on that? I daresay you can't name a single Christian who supported that bill, or else you must have an awfully broad definition of "Christian".

Out of curiosity, I looked it up:

"Scott Lively runs this crazy kind of "ministries", he calls them. He has what he calls the Defend the Family ministries, which is more of a charismatic Pentecostal ministry. But then he has his Abiding Truth Ministries. So it's not necessarily very well planted in terms of Christian credentials. He's more of an independent kind of churches [incompr.] they run like that. So that's how he founds his own churches. They are not very big. They are small."

http://www.truth-out.org...

I wouldn't call Mr. Lively a Christian any more than I'd call a Catholic or a Jehovah's Witness a Christian. He appears to be Pentecostal.

You can look them up one-by-one. These people you are calling "Christians" are largely a bunch of fruitcakes, beginning with Mr. Lively.
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4/5/2014 10:27:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/5/2014 10:18:12 AM, annanicole wrote:
Perplexed: "ever heard of the kill the gays bill? in uganda...something the american christians sanctioned...."

Anna: Man, talk about faulty logic. Have any numbers on that? I daresay you can't name a single Christian who supported that bill, or else you must have an awfully broad definition of "Christian".

Out of curiosity, I looked it up:

"Scott Lively runs this crazy kind of "ministries", he calls them. He has what he calls the Defend the Family ministries, which is more of a charismatic Pentecostal ministry. But then he has his Abiding Truth Ministries. So it's not necessarily very well planted in terms of Christian credentials. He's more of an independent kind of churches [incompr.] they run like that. So that's how he founds his own churches. They are not very big. They are small."

http://www.truth-out.org...


I wouldn't call Mr. Lively a Christian any more than I'd call a Catholic or a Jehovah's Witness a Christian. He appears to be Pentecostal.

You can look them up one-by-one. These people you are calling "Christians" are largely a bunch of fruitcakes, beginning with Mr. Lively.

heard of rick warren....
"American fundamentalist Rev. Rick Warren, featured by President Obama at his inauguration, traveled to the region to meet with political leaders. His public message in Uganda was, "Homosexuality is not a natural way of life and thus not a human right." Whether Warren cares to admit it or not, that statement expresses tacit approval of laws against LGBT people, because, by his theory, no violation of rights is involved."

so calling homosexuality unnatural fueled the flam....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

as per that piece of work scott lively...he considers himself a christian, don't he?
that's what happens when society accepts religious opinions as more than an opinion
: At 4/29/2014 3:14:36 AM, annanicole wrote:

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: I'll be happy to concede the raping of virgin girls, if you can find it somewhere.
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4/5/2014 10:35:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/5/2014 10:18:12 AM, annanicole wrote:

Anna: Man, talk about faulty logic. Have any numbers on that? I daresay you can't name a single Christian who supported that bill, or else you must have an awfully broad definition of "Christian".

are you denying the FACT there are many many many interpretation of the same book?
: At 4/29/2014 3:14:36 AM, annanicole wrote:

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: I'll be happy to concede the raping of virgin girls, if you can find it somewhere.
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4/5/2014 11:16:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/5/2014 10:35:21 AM, perplexed wrote:
At 4/5/2014 10:18:12 AM, annanicole wrote:

Anna: Man, talk about faulty logic. Have any numbers on that? I daresay you can't name a single Christian who supported that bill, or else you must have an awfully broad definition of "Christian".

are you denying the FACT there are many many many interpretation of the same book?

I deny that there are "many, many, many" CORRECT interpretations. That's about like saying that a precisely-worded proposition can be both true and false.

Rick Warren, by the way, is nothing but a con-man. He identifies himself as a Baptist. I'm not calling him derogatory names. He admits to it. I know of no instance in the entire New Testament in which a Christian called himself a Baptist. That's not "my interpretation" - that's just a fact.

I'll admit that to the world at large, a Baptist or a Pentecostal is a Christian. That's just how people think, and they've been conditioned that way. They think people become Christians, then for some reason "join up" with some sect. I have no idea where that idea came from, but I know where it didn't come from.
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4/5/2014 11:25:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/5/2014 11:16:42 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/5/2014 10:35:21 AM, perplexed wrote:
At 4/5/2014 10:18:12 AM, annanicole wrote:

Anna: Man, talk about faulty logic. Have any numbers on that? I daresay you can't name a single Christian who supported that bill, or else you must have an awfully broad definition of "Christian".

are you denying the FACT there are many many many interpretation of the same book?

I deny that there are "many, many, many" CORRECT interpretations

based on what criteria, the book where all the different interpretations come from?
well that would be relying on circular logic which will not establish anything, as we clearly see.

Rick Warren, by the way, is nothing but a con-man. He identifies himself as a Baptist. I'm not calling him derogatory names. He admits to it. I know of no instance in the entire New Testament in which a Christian called himself a Baptist. That's not "my interpretation" - that's just a fact.
that doesn't matter...the fact remains the label christian is ambiguous and it isn't surprising considering the ambiguous standards that would establish what a christian is.

I'll admit that to the world at large, a Baptist or a Pentecostal is a Christian. That's just how people think, and they've been conditioned that way. They think people become Christians, then for some reason "join up" with some sect. I have no idea where that idea came from, but I know where it didn't come from.

you do realize the jesus movement which started at the time of the destruction of the second temple were understood to be a sect, right?
: At 4/29/2014 3:14:36 AM, annanicole wrote:

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: I'll be happy to concede the raping of virgin girls, if you can find it somewhere.
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4/5/2014 1:58:22 PM
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At 4/5/2014 7:59:11 AM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 4/4/2014 10:38:36 AM, s-anthony wrote:


and Christian symbols displayed in or on the property of public facilities

Out of curiosity, what do you think of the destruction of Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? How about the destruction of Buddhist statues in China?

When I mentioned Christian symbols, I wasn't talking about historical edifices that are apart of the architecture, like having a religious symbol carved out of or etched in stone. There are many historical buildings, in Europe, that have religious iconography integral to the buildings, themselves. I would find it abhorrent to deface or remove these symbols. Not because they have sectarian value, but, because, they speak of our history and global heritage as a civilization.

I addressed 2 Asian nations, and although I know that you're alluding to the U.S., you're primarily giving Europe as an example. So I'm not really clear on what you mean by historical edifices. For instance, the Freedom From Religion Foundation considers a statue of Jesus on a ski resort in Montana as a violation of Separation Of Church And State, because it allegedly pushes a specific religion on the public. However, the statue itself is historic as it is a WWII memorial. The American Humanists Association I believe it is are the ones protesting the Cross memorial at Ground Zero. Why is that not historical?

I'm not aware of the specifics of the ski resort case. However, if the resort is privately owned and funded, why would having a religious memorial even be an issue? If it's publicly funded (Which, to me, makes no sense.), then, the historical significance is brought into question.

I'm a sentimentalist and tradionionalist, at heart. Yet, notwithstanding, some things even though they invoke sentimentality and traditionalism are, nonetheless, divisive; for instance, in the State of Alabama, the Confederate flag continued to wave high above the capital building, over a hundred years, after the dissolution of the Confederacy. To me, this was, merely, a slap in the face, of black people. The Confederacy symbolized a time in our history in which all men, and women, were not created equal; a time in which the life of a black person was devalued to that of a mere beast of burden. Personally, for me and millions of black people, its memory and symbols are repulsive.

However, having said that, I don't believe in erasing the memory of it. We need memorials and reminders of its existence. It helps us to understand where it was we came from and where it is we're going; unless we get too forgetful, it's a constant reminder of why it is black people, in American culture, have felt cheated and abused by the white majority. I am not a revisionist; I don't believe in rewriting the past but learning from it. The history we have is the history we have; there's a reason for it. However, neither do I believe in living in the past. That's where we once were; appreciate it for that which it was. That's not where it is we are, today.


Obviously where the line is supposedly drawn is not very clear. For instance, Richard Dawkins doesn't even agree with the actions of some American atheist activists, apparently even within an organization he's a member of. And I'm not really sure where you draw the line.

I draw the line, at today. I'm not a revisionist; I don't believe erasing the past accomplishes anything, except helping us forget where it was from which we came.


What differentiates the Christian symbols being basically attacked by atheist groups, and European iconic architecture....and Afghan and Chinese destruction of Buddhist iconic artifacts/architecture?

I am not aware of the specifics of any of the religious symbols' being attacked by atheist groups; so, it's hard, for me, to say.

However, when I oppose the display of religious symbols in, on, or around public facilities (And, that goes for all religious symbols, not just Christianity's.), I'm opposing current attempts, such as the placing of the Ten Commandments, in a newly constructed courthouse or setting up nativity scenes, on public grounds, at Christmastime.


At one time, we, as a secular society, found it permissible, to endorse the Christian religion. Even though it went against our founding principles of freedom of thought and the separation of Church and State, to do so. However, as religious diversity has become an ever more present factor in American politics, it has forced us, to reaffirm our founding principles.

You seem to be suggesting a fairly common theme which goes something like this:

America started out as a purely secular nation, at some point we became a more fundamentalist nation, and now (possibly beginning around 1947) we're moving (or fighting to get) back to how the nation originally was at the beginning.

The nation was never more Christian, or fundamentalist than it was at the beginning. When they referred to religion back then, they were talking about denominational imperialism. They fought against the European style of theocracy where a particular denomination was in control. They were not against theocracy as in God being in control, which is why they supported prayer and Bible reading within governmental functions.

I completely agree. However, when it is I speak of founding principles, I'm not talking about the religious or even political consensus, at the time of our founding; if I were, I would support the enslavement of black people and the oppression of women; but, I'm speaking about the documents we, as a people, use to govern ourselves, such as the Bill of Rights and the doctrine of the separation of Church and State.
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4/5/2014 2:02:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/5/2014 10:00:18 AM, perplexed wrote:
At 4/3/2014 2:50:40 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
At 4/2/2014 11:05:45 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Christian Privilege as a Nonconscious Ideology:
The concept of "nonconscious ideology" was created to describe those ideologies whose implicit, unreflective, and uncritical acceptance help maintain their dominance in society. Sexism and racism are nonconscious ideologies in which the inferiority of one group is reinforced through a multitude of assumptions and interactions that occur outside our conscious consideration. The same is true with Christian Privilege: Christians are continuously told that they are special and deserve privileges.

Christian Privileges for Holidays & Holy Days:
Many stores take the Christian sabbath into account
Most Christians don"t have to work on their holiest days
Christians can assume they will see TV specials and hear music related to their holidays
Christians can erect Christian holiday displays without fearing vandalism
Christians expect to be greeted with references to their holidays (Merry Christmas)
Christians can ignore and be ignorant of other religions" holidays
School events will probably address Christian holidays

Christian Privileges in American Culture:
When traveling, Christians can assume they"ll find churches of their denomination
It"s easy for Christians to find a religious site to marry
Christians easily find Christian movies, radio programs, and TV shows
When someone talks about or thanks God, Christians can assume it"s their god
Christians will find Bibles in their hotel rooms
Christians have many Christian charities to donate to or get assistance from
Christians needn"t worry about finding foods to meet religious dietary requirements

Christian Privileges against Discrimination and Bigotry:
Christians can assume that they won"t be discriminated against because of their religion
Christians can assume that their opinion won"t be ignored because of their religion
Christians need not worry about moving to a place where Christians aren"t welcome
Christians rarely encounter groups that exclude Christians
Christians don"t worry about revealing their religion to parents, friends
Christians can discriminate in ways not otherwise allowed & avoid members of other religions

Christian Privileges in Schools:
Christian children will see other Christians in lessons about history
Christian children will participate in events relating to Christian holy days
Christian children will find or easily start school clubs dedicated to Christianity
Christian athletes are encouraged by Christian coaches
Christian children might avoid being exposed to foreign religions
Public school space is often shared with Christian churches
Christians can easily find private schools that cater to their religion

Christian Privilege, Fear, and Security:
Christians can wear Christian clothing or jewelry without fear
Christians can promote their religion on cars or houses without fear of vandalism
Christians don"t have to educate their kids about persecution for their own protection
Christians can ignore the language and customs of other religions without censure
Christians need not worry if their religion will hinder their professional ambitions
Christians don"t have to worry about hate groups dedicated to wiping out Christianity

Christian Privileges in the Community:
Many communities have names with Christian origins
Christians can assume that most neighbors & coworkers are Christian
Christians have directories of Christian-owned businesses
Christian businesses can hire all Christians without trying
Christians can criticize Christianity & Christian Privilege with more authority than non-Christians and without their motives being questioned
Christians can assume that almost anywhere they go and anything they do, they"ll feel normal

Christian Privileges with Christianity:
Christians aren"t expected to speak for all Christians or everyone in a denomination
Whatever Christians do, they need not worry that it will reflect poorly on Christianity
Christians easily shop for items related to Christianity, even in specialty Christian stores
Successful Christians aren"t told that they are greedy because of their religion
The word "Christian" is treated as a label representing the best human attributes

Christian Privileges in the Law:
Where relevant, laws take the Christian sabbath (Sunday) into account
Laws & regulations come with built-in exemptions for Christians & Christian beliefs.
Christians can assume that most politicians are Christians who represent Christian interests
Christians can criticize the government or society without being labeled cultural outsiders
Christians can assume that politicians won"t attack their religion
Christians assume that government prayers will be Christian in nature (they usually are)

: A. It helps that we're currently more than 70% of the US Population.

the appeal to the mob mentality...is a logical fallacy.
Perhaps so
: B. We don't actively persecute atheists or anyone else. Perhaps some Christians will call a non-Christian by a derogatory term, but that's about it.
yea which is why in a country that is 70% christian consider atheists as trustworthy as a rapist...or can never be elected into office...give me a freaking break.
Atheists are usually better educated and more wealthy than non-atheists. And when you enter a college science classroom, the atheists rule the room.

C. This is one of few countries where Christianity has special privilege. I can assure you that in many countries Islam has this special privilege, and Christians are persecuted in a way far worse than the goodness of our alleged special privilege here.
hahhhahha...you have got to be joking right...
ever heard of the kill the gays bill? in uganda...something the american christians sanctioned....
Gays are jailed, not killed. The execution of gays was a PROPOSED provision of the bill, but that part never came to pass. Besides, last I checked, most Christians do not advocate jailing gays, much less stoning them.
My turn:trustworthy: -Evolution (an Anti-Christian doctrine) is taught in virtually all schools which receive government funding.
as they should...separation of church and state
That doesn't mean you can teach kids atheism

: -Many movies and shows portray Christianity or Conservatism in a negative light.

because they are not cherry pickers...
Atheists aren't generally made fun of by the media

-For every one church there's 100 pornographic images on the internet (not an actual figure, but hopefully you get my point)
funny you should mention that...porn is very very popular in the bible belt, didn't you know
Source, please?

-In bookstores there are books on why God is supposedly dead and how religion is supposedly a societal evil.
because it's something worth considering

Basically, a minority group (atheists) have more control over society than they should. Should I go on?
you apparently have you head shoved up so far up your back side you can see russia from there

And your head is shoved up so far that you can see Alaska by looking towards Europe.
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4/5/2014 2:14:03 PM
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You mean to tell me that some stores with Christian owners take the Christian sabbath into account? SCIENCE FORBID IT. I never knew before that my fellow faithful were so oppressive, very eye opening.
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4/5/2014 2:14:49 PM
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At 4/2/2014 11:05:45 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Christian Privilege as a Nonconscious Ideology:
Blah, Blah, Cut and Paste, Blah

Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids...

Meh
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4/5/2014 2:21:31 PM
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At 4/5/2014 2:02:13 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:

: B. We don't actively persecute atheists or anyone else. Perhaps some Christians will call a non-Christian by a derogatory term, but that's about it.
yea which is why in a country that is 70% christian consider atheists as trustworthy as a rapist...or can never be elected into office...give me a freaking break.
Atheists are usually better educated and more wealthy than non-atheists. And when you enter a college science classroom, the atheists rule the room.
ahhh, so now you are experiencing what the minority did....good.

C. This is one of few countries where Christianity has special privilege. I can assure you that in many countries Islam has this special privilege, and Christians are persecuted in a way far worse than the goodness of our alleged special privilege here.
hahhhahha...you have got to be joking right...
ever heard of the kill the gays bill? in uganda...something the american christians sanctioned....
Gays are jailed, not killed.
nuff said.
The execution of gays was a PROPOSED provision of the bill, but that part never came to pass. Besides, last I checked, most Christians do not advocate jailing gays, much less stoning them.
although the stoning of gays was sanctioned by the god of the christians, right?
cherry picking doesn't help your position....

My turn:trustworthy: -Evolution (an Anti-Christian doctrine) is taught in virtually all schools which receive government funding.
as they should...separation of church and state
: That doesn't mean you can teach kids atheism

wow...just wow...projecting your fear? it would appear so...evolution HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHEISM SPARKY

: -Many movies and shows portray Christianity or Conservatism in a negative light.

because they are not cherry pickers...
: Atheists aren't generally made fun of by the media

because they are honest enough to question everything silly...i'm so happy that the christian taliban of the US is dying a miserable death....and makes you self entitled elitists go through the crap you made the minority go through..booo hooo hooo

-For every one church there's 100 pornographic images on the internet (not an actual figure, but hopefully you get my point)
funny you should mention that...porn is very very popular in the bible belt, didn't you know
Source, please?
http://wtkr.com...
http://www.alternet.org...'s_love_affair_with_(gay_and_straight)_porn

and here's a bonus track for you...enjoy wallowing in your willful ignorance.
http://www.pbs.org...
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:
: I'll be happy to concede the raping of virgin girls, if you can find it somewhere.
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4/5/2014 2:32:32 PM
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Atheists are usually better educated and more wealthy than non-atheists. And when you enter a college science classroom, the atheists rule the room.
ahhh, so now you are experiencing what the minority did....good.
Huh?

C. This is one of few countries where Christianity has special privilege. I can assure you that in many countries Islam has this special privilege, and Christians are persecuted in a way far worse than the goodness of our alleged special privilege here.
hahhhahha...you have got to be joking right...
ever heard of the kill the gays bill? in uganda...something the american christians sanctioned....
Gays are jailed, not killed.
nuff said.
The execution of gays was a PROPOSED provision of the bill, but that part never came to pass. Besides, last I checked, most Christians do not advocate jailing gays, much less stoning them.
although the stoning of gays was sanctioned by the god of the christians, right?
cherry picking doesn't help your position....
*sigh* Another atheist who doesn't understand the purpose of the Old Covenant.

My turn:trustworthy: -Evolution (an Anti-Christian doctrine) is taught in virtually all schools which receive government funding.
as they should...separation of church and state
: That doesn't mean you can teach kids atheism

wow...just wow...projecting your fear? it would appear so...evolution HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHEISM SPARKY
Yeah, it does. Virtually no religion says that the Earth is millions of years old. In fact, many religions say the Earth is only a few thousand years old.
Evolution is the philosophy for atheists who don't want to believe in any religious textbook.

: -Many movies and shows portray Christianity or Conservatism in a negative light.

because they are not cherry pickers...
: Atheists aren't generally made fun of by the media

because they are honest enough to question everything silly...i'm so happy that the christian taliban of the US is dying a miserable death....and makes you self entitled elitists go through the crap you made the minority go through..booo hooo hooo
Okay, I'm gonna report you for all the crap you've been inserting here.

-For every one church there's 100 pornographic images on the internet (not an actual figure, but hopefully you get my point)
funny you should mention that...porn is very very popular in the bible belt, didn't you know
Source, please?
http://wtkr.com...
http://www.alternet.org...'s_love_affair_with_(gay_and_straight)_porn

and here's a bonus track for you...enjoy wallowing in your willful ignorance.
http://www.pbs.org...

Yes, we all know there are plenty of hypocrites who call themselves Christian.
HOWEVER, don't forget that the South's economy is worse off than the North's (there's still a slight gap left behind by the Civil War and its destructive effects on the South) and criminal stuff is usually more prevalent in more poor regions.
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4/5/2014 2:39:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/5/2014 2:32:32 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Atheists are usually better educated and more wealthy than non-atheists. And when you enter a college science classroom, the atheists rule the room.
ahhh, so now you are experiencing what the minority did....good.
: Huh?

exactly
C. This is one of few countries where Christianity has special privilege. I can assure you that in many countries Islam has this special privilege, and Christians are persecuted in a way far worse than the goodness of our alleged special privilege here.
hahhhahha...you have got to be joking right...
ever heard of the kill the gays bill? in uganda...something the american christians sanctioned....
Gays are jailed, not killed.
nuff said.
The execution of gays was a PROPOSED provision of the bill, but that part never came to pass. Besides, last I checked, most Christians do not advocate jailing gays, much less stoning them.
although the stoning of gays was sanctioned by the god of the christians, right?
cherry picking doesn't help your position....
: *sigh* Another atheist who doesn't understand the purpose of the Old Covenant.


more nonsense.
My turn:trustworthy: -Evolution (an Anti-Christian doctrine) is taught in virtually all schools which receive government funding.
as they should...separation of church and state
: That doesn't mean you can teach kids atheism

wow...just wow...projecting your fear? it would appear so...evolution HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHEISM SPARKY
: Yeah, it does. Virtually no religion says that the Earth is millions of years old. In fact, many religions say the Earth is only a few thousand years old.
that is their problem, not mine...hahhah
Evolution is the philosophy for atheists who don't want to believe in any religious textbook.
evolution isn't a philosophy...it has been proven with empirical evidence sparky

: -Many movies and shows portray Christianity or Conservatism in a negative light.

because they are not cherry pickers...
: Atheists aren't generally made fun of by the media

because they are honest enough to question everything silly...i'm so happy that the christian taliban of the US is dying a miserable death....and makes you self entitled elitists go through the crap you made the minority go through..booo hooo hooo
: Okay, I'm gonna report you for all the crap you've been inserting here.

odd considering
matthew 5:11...rejoice...this is good for you and your reward in heaven dear
oh yea, you're a cherry picker...what was i thinking?
-For every one church there's 100 pornographic images on the internet (not an actual figure, but hopefully you get my point)
funny you should mention that...porn is very very popular in the bible belt, didn't you know
Source, please?
http://wtkr.com...
http://www.alternet.org...'s_love_affair_with_(gay_and_straight)_porn

and here's a bonus track for you...enjoy wallowing in your willful ignorance.
http://www.pbs.org...

Yes, we all know there are plenty of hypocrites who call themselves Christian.
HOWEVER, don't forget that the South's economy is worse off than the North's (there's still a slight gap left behind by the Civil War and its destructive effects on the South) and criminal stuff is usually more prevalent in more poor regions.

it sure looks like you made self defeating argument showing gods limitations....ooops
: At 4/29/2014 3:14:36 AM, annanicole wrote:

:
: I'll be happy to concede the raping of virgin girls, if you can find it somewhere.
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4/5/2014 2:39:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/5/2014 2:32:32 PM, bubbatheclown wrote:
Atheists are usually better educated and more wealthy than non-atheists. And when you enter a college science classroom, the atheists rule the room.
ahhh, so now you are experiencing what the minority did....good.
Huh?

C. This is one of few countries where Christianity has special privilege. I can assure you that in many countries Islam has this special privilege, and Christians are persecuted in a way far worse than the goodness of our alleged special privilege here.
hahhhahha...you have got to be joking right...
ever heard of the kill the gays bill? in uganda...something the american christians sanctioned....
Gays are jailed, not killed.
nuff said.
The execution of gays was a PROPOSED provision of the bill, but that part never came to pass. Besides, last I checked, most Christians do not advocate jailing gays, much less stoning them.
although the stoning of gays was sanctioned by the god of the christians, right?
cherry picking doesn't help your position....
*sigh* Another atheist who doesn't understand the purpose of the Old Covenant.

My turn:trustworthy: -Evolution (an Anti-Christian doctrine) is taught in virtually all schools which receive government funding.
as they should...separation of church and state
: That doesn't mean you can teach kids atheism

wow...just wow...projecting your fear? it would appear so...evolution HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHEISM SPARKY
Yeah, it does. Virtually no religion says that the Earth is millions of years old. In fact, many religions say the Earth is only a few thousand years old.
Evolution is the philosophy for atheists who don't want to believe in any religious textbook.

: -Many movies and shows portray Christianity or Conservatism in a negative light.

because they are not cherry pickers...
: Atheists aren't generally made fun of by the media

because they are honest enough to question everything silly...i'm so happy that the christian taliban of the US is dying a miserable death....and makes you self entitled elitists go through the crap you made the minority go through..booo hooo hooo
Okay, I'm gonna report you for all the crap you've been inserting here.

-For every one church there's 100 pornographic images on the internet (not an actual figure, but hopefully you get my point)
funny you should mention that...porn is very very popular in the bible belt, didn't you know
Source, please?
http://wtkr.com...
http://www.alternet.org...'s_love_affair_with_(gay_and_straight)_porn

and here's a bonus track for you...enjoy wallowing in your willful ignorance.
http://www.pbs.org...

Yes, we all know there are plenty of hypocrites who call themselves Christian.
HOWEVER, don't forget that the South's economy is worse off than the North's (there's still a slight gap left behind by the Civil War and its destructive effects on the South) and criminal stuff is usually more prevalent in more poor regions.

Also, there are more black people in the South.
https://www.census.gov...
It's not my intent to insult black people, but...
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4/5/2014 2:47:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
YOU MEAN A COUNTRY WHICH IS 80% CHRISTIAN TAKES CHRISTIAN HOLIDAYS INTO ACCOUNT????!!!!

OMG, THIS LITERALLY BREAKS EVERY PART OF THE LAW EVER RITTEN!!111 Oppresshun!!!!!
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4/5/2014 3:09:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/5/2014 2:47:19 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
YOU MEAN A COUNTRY WHICH IS 80% CHRISTIAN TAKES CHRISTIAN HOLIDAYS INTO ACCOUNT????!!!!

OMG, THIS LITERALLY BREAKS EVERY PART OF THE LAW EVER RITTEN!!111 Oppresshun!!!!!

no that's not it....

"The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

in a democratic republic where the rights of individuals, who challenge the dogma of any faith are held in high regard, elitism isn't going to stick for very long....there's nothing wrong about questioning and scrutinizing everything...a basic human right, right? if you don't like it...oh well.
: At 4/29/2014 3:14:36 AM, annanicole wrote:

:
: I'll be happy to concede the raping of virgin girls, if you can find it somewhere.