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4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM
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Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

Personally any christian that believes jesus is a white man and was a white european descent is still holding on to racisim. Some knowingly and unknowingly.

Sad part is blacks still serve the white man. Im free from the slave master or sheperd. No longer serving jesus. I am a free black man.
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4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM
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At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

Personally any christian that believes jesus is a white man and was a white european descent is still holding on to racisim. Some knowingly and unknowingly.

Well British people are Israeli, the term Brit-ish means "Covenant people". Any study will show that the lost tribes of Israel(not all of them) are the people who dwelled in the Caucasus mountains and hence the term Caucasians. But the are other races in the family if the Israelites, Chinese, Africans, Indians, and Arabs. They are not certain race that are Israel. Moses married a African woman. Ethopians are partly Israeli as well. Jesus was not Caucasian, He was Jewish, Jews are dominately from the tribe of Judah and are mostly Middle Eastern in appearance.

Sad part is blacks still serve the white man.

Every race today are slaves to someone. The slave owners today are the elite, the wealthy and they come from every race. Please, black people sold black people to the whites. None are innocent of racism.

Im free from the slave master or sheperd.

No you are a slave to sin and the devil because of this comment:
" No longer serving jesus."

I am a free black man.

No, you are never free. You either serve Christ or the devil.
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4/12/2014 1:43:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

When did Jesus ever oppose slavery? And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"? Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?
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4/12/2014 2:09:52 AM
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At 4/12/2014 1:43:19 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

When did Jesus ever oppose slavery?

I answered that.

And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"?

Indeed but then again that does not indorse slavery either since slavery was civil of Rome.

Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

No actually. After converting the slave to Christianity the slave returned on his own to abide by civil law which Paul speaks of in your previous question.

So Paul taught to obey the law.
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4/12/2014 2:16:06 AM
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At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

Personally any christian that believes jesus is a white man and was a white european descent is still holding on to racisim. Some knowingly and unknowingly.

Sad part is blacks still serve the white man. Im free from the slave master or sheperd. No longer serving jesus. I am a free black man.



I believe Jesus was white, but he was from the children of Israel, who were and are of many colours, you know colour was not a problem in the past.

And Christians who enslaved people didn't do it because they are Christians, they did it for political and economic reasons, so don't mix up everything together.
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4/12/2014 2:21:18 AM
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At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

Personally any christian that believes jesus is a white man and was a white european descent is still holding on to racisim. Some knowingly and unknowingly.

Sad part is blacks still serve the white man. Im free from the slave master or sheperd. No longer serving jesus. I am a free black man.

Another thing, it's sad that you choose your religion depending on what colour was the prophet, seems you got infected with the wrong mentality and became racist too, they are all God creation and all God prophets no matter what colour or race.
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4/12/2014 10:51:43 AM
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At 4/12/2014 2:09:52 AM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/12/2014 1:43:19 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

When did Jesus ever oppose slavery?

I answered that.

So Paul wasnt following Jesus' teachings?


And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"?

Indeed but then again that does not indorse slavery either since slavery was civil of Rome.

I dont think you understand what the word Endorse, means.

http://dictionary.reference.com...

Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

No actually. After converting the slave to Christianity the slave returned on his own to abide by civil law which Paul speaks of in your previous question.

So Paul taught to obey the law.

Didnt Jesus fulfill the law, so that we are no longer bound by it, including slavery? Since slavery was supported and endorsed in the old testament, but youre saying Jesus was against it?
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4/12/2014 3:20:10 PM
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At 4/12/2014 2:21:18 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

Personally any christian that believes jesus is a white man and was a white european descent is still holding on to racisim. Some knowingly and unknowingly.

Sad part is blacks still serve the white man. Im free from the slave master or sheperd. No longer serving jesus. I am a free black man.

Another thing, it's sad that you choose your religion depending on what colour was the prophet, seems you got infected with the wrong mentality and became racist too, they are all God creation and all God prophets no matter what colour or race.

At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
No you are a slave to sin and the devil because of this comment:
" No longer serving jesus."

I am a free black man.

No, you are never free. You either serve Christ or the devil.

Hosea 2:16
At that time," declares Yahweh , "you will call, Ishi (Delivererand savior and husband; and never again call me, 'Baal.'(THE LORD) aka jesus for the christians. THE LORD for the jews.

Anyone who calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved. Jews that worship baal , choosed to replace Yahweh for THE LORD. EVen christians use the same baal instead of Yahweh. Why? because you also serve baal.

At Fruity:

I can tell you know nothing about History.. Jesus was the color of modern day Palestinians. However that is neither here nor there. The Borgia"s created this image of the white jesus long before America. Pope Alexander IV had Leonardo Da Vinci to make the image of jesus as cesare Borgia his son. He was a very wicked and a pervert.

However, until this day Christians have the last supper image in their home, and all the other painting of the image of Christ in their home. Christians use this image to rule and win the Africans in Africa and they also use it to persuade the Africans in America to Christianity. At least know your facts before you make those king of comments that jesus was white. That is the image in your mind, so when THE LORD appears to you he appears in that image, or when your prophet jesus appear he appears in that image.

I dont know how to be racist because all I ever was taught was the white man was the master...before anything I have to get rid of fear that has been instilled inside of me than racism. I was never taught to hate because of color. I was only taught to serve because that is the rules... Not any longer ... I will fear only Yahweh and serve him and him alone.
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4/12/2014 3:23:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Regardless of the religion people will find a way to oppress and harm others, faith is a mere forefront for this. The fact "God" is behind something is an excuse to hide the fact that people are a pathetic, barbaric waste of air.
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4/12/2014 3:33:32 PM
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At 4/12/2014 10:51:43 AM, tkubok wrote:

So Paul wasnt following Jesus' teachings?

Yes He was.

And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"?

Indeed but then again that does not indorse slavery either since slavery was civil of Rome.

I dont think you understand what the word Endorse, means.

http://dictionary.reference.com...

I know what indorse means. Paul did not Jesus indorsed slavery, they simply saved follow the law of Rome and law of whatever country they lived.

Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

No actually. After converting the slave to Christianity the slave returned on his own to abide by civil law which Paul speaks of in your previous question.

So Paul taught to obey the law.

Didnt Jesus fulfill the law, so that we are no longer bound by it, including slavery? Since slavery was supported and endorsed in the old testament, but youre saying Jesus was against it?

Jesus fulfilled Jewish law not pagan governmental laws. Nations besides Israel had slavery as lawful. It is hard to say God indorses slavery when He made so may provisions against it and how Jews should treat captives fairly. Including that He freed the Jews from Egypt who were slaves.
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4/12/2014 3:56:53 PM
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Well if we are being technical, considering the Jews might be Nordic in DNA as it is, yes Jesus might have been a white man, but that doesn't mean that the white people are racist. Jesus SPOKE against racism in his day.
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4/12/2014 3:57:21 PM
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At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

Personally any christian that believes jesus is a white man and was a white european descent is still holding on to racisim. Some knowingly and unknowingly.

Sad part is blacks still serve the white man. Im free from the slave master or sheperd. No longer serving jesus. I am a free black man.



And is it every religion? Lutherans might have done that, but Anglicans were the ones appointing blacks to prominent positions.
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4/12/2014 4:00:48 PM
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At 4/12/2014 3:20:10 PM, question4u wrote:
At Fruity:

I can tell you know nothing about History.. Jesus was the color of modern day Palestinians. However that is neither here nor there. The Borgia"s created this image of the white jesus long before America. Pope Alexander IV had Leonardo Da Vinci to make the image of jesus as cesare Borgia his son. He was a very wicked and a pervert.

However, until this day Christians have the last supper image in their home, and all the other painting of the image of Christ in their home. Christians use this image to rule and win the Africans in Africa and they also use it to persuade the Africans in America to Christianity. At least know your facts before you make those king of comments that jesus was white. That is the image in your mind, so when THE LORD appears to you he appears in that image, or when your prophet jesus appear he appears in that image.

I don't say it because of their made up picture that don't resemble one another, I say it because of a scripture in Islam where Mohamed -PBUH- described both Jesus and Moses- PBUT- and described Moses as a tall brown guy, while he described Jesus as average height, curly hair, and white face with red as if he came out of a shower.

But the fact that Jesus is white doesn't make white people (I mean all white not just European white) better that any other colour, and the fact that Moses was brown doesn't make brown or dark colour people better, you know, that's just a skin colour.

Now you thinl that Jesus looked like the average Palestinian, this doesn't matter. but how can people think that because a prophet was a specific colour or race then that race are better ?! those are people who didn't read their bible.

I dont know how to be racist because all I ever was taught was the white man was the master...before anything I have to get rid of fear that has been instilled inside of me than racism. I was never taught to hate because of color. I was only taught to serve because that is the rules... Not any longer ... I will fear only Yahweh and serve him and him alone.

Well that's a wise decision, I understand now where you come from, God be with you.
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4/12/2014 4:29:54 PM
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At 4/12/2014 3:33:32 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/12/2014 10:51:43 AM, tkubok wrote:

So Paul wasnt following Jesus' teachings?

Yes He was.

Paul never seemed to oppose it.


And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"?

Indeed but then again that does not indorse slavery either since slavery was civil of Rome.

I dont think you understand what the word Endorse, means.

http://dictionary.reference.com...

I know what indorse means. Paul did not Jesus indorsed slavery, they simply saved follow the law of Rome and law of whatever country they lived.

First off, Paul returned the slave, Onesimus, back to philemon which was against the rules.

Secondly, if you know what Endorse means, then you would know that it means to eitehr to approve, support, or sustain. If Paul is telling people to uphold the laws, then he is endorsing it.


Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

No actually. After converting the slave to Christianity the slave returned on his own to abide by civil law which Paul speaks of in your previous question.

So Paul taught to obey the law.

Didnt Jesus fulfill the law, so that we are no longer bound by it, including slavery? Since slavery was supported and endorsed in the old testament, but youre saying Jesus was against it?

Jesus fulfilled Jewish law not pagan governmental laws. Nations besides Israel had slavery as lawful. It is hard to say God indorses slavery when He made so may provisions against it and how Jews should treat captives fairly. Including that He freed the Jews from Egypt who were slaves.

I dont see how it is hard to say that God endorses slavery. Treating your slaves well, still doesnt change the fact that they are slaves.

And sure, God treats his chosen people, different from others. Its why the treatment of Hebrew slaves were different than that of slaves from foreigners.
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4/12/2014 5:50:35 PM
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At 4/12/2014 1:43:19 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

When did Jesus ever oppose slavery? And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"? Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

I think you are being unfair here. Slavery was normal at that time and in any case I'm quite sure Paul enjouned masters to treat their slaves fairly. May I mention that while slavery has largely ended, the exploitation of fellow humans (which slavery typified) is still carried own in the era we are in. I'm sure you will likewise advise people to be good workers. In a possible fituristic economy where menial jobs are done by robots, this may be viewed as bad injunction.
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4/12/2014 7:16:59 PM
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At 4/12/2014 5:50:35 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/12/2014 1:43:19 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

When did Jesus ever oppose slavery? And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"? Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

I think you are being unfair here. Slavery was normal at that time and in any case I'm quite sure Paul enjouned masters to treat their slaves fairly. May I mention that while slavery has largely ended, the exploitation of fellow humans (which slavery typified) is still carried own in the era we are in. I'm sure you will likewise advise people to be good workers. In a possible fituristic economy where menial jobs are done by robots, this may be viewed as bad injunction.

100% that I agree. Slavery is practiced in many parts. Islamic countries, well some, not all, still believe in enslaving others. It maybe illegal in the books but it's not enforced.
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4/12/2014 7:21:32 PM
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At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

Personally any christian that believes jesus is a white man and was a white european descent is still holding on to racisim. Some knowingly and unknowingly.

Sad part is blacks still serve the white man. Im free from the slave master or sheperd. No longer serving jesus. I am a free black man.



First of all this guy in the video is so DUMBBBBBBB! No offense. First of all slaveowners did not give a rats a-s about the spiritual condition of the blacks. Many of these Lutheran slaveowners saw blacks as condemned and mistreated them. Hated them. It was Anglicans and Catholics opposed to slavery who converted them to Christianity. Why would a slaver convert their slaves to religion if they hated them so much? Doesn't make an ounce of sense.
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4/12/2014 9:14:39 PM
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At 4/12/2014 5:50:35 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/12/2014 1:43:19 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

When did Jesus ever oppose slavery? And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"? Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

I think you are being unfair here. Slavery was normal at that time and in any case I'm quite sure Paul enjouned masters to treat their slaves fairly. May I mention that while slavery has largely ended, the exploitation of fellow humans (which slavery typified) is still carried own in the era we are in. I'm sure you will likewise advise people to be good workers. In a possible fituristic economy where menial jobs are done by robots, this may be viewed as bad injunction.

Im not blaming them for having antiquated morals, but im also not one to sugarcoat it either. Although its strange as to how someone who is supposed to have high morals, utterly missed, and infact, got it completely opposite with regards to something we consider universally as immoral, I am completely aware that slavery was completely normal, and considered morally good.
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4/12/2014 9:16:12 PM
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At 4/12/2014 7:16:59 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 4/12/2014 5:50:35 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/12/2014 1:43:19 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

When did Jesus ever oppose slavery? And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"? Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

I think you are being unfair here. Slavery was normal at that time and in any case I'm quite sure Paul enjouned masters to treat their slaves fairly. May I mention that while slavery has largely ended, the exploitation of fellow humans (which slavery typified) is still carried own in the era we are in. I'm sure you will likewise advise people to be good workers. In a possible fituristic economy where menial jobs are done by robots, this may be viewed as bad injunction.

100% that I agree. Slavery is practiced in many parts. Islamic countries, well some, not all, still believe in enslaving others. It maybe illegal in the books but it's not enforced.

So is slavery morally wrong, or morally right?
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4/12/2014 9:17:24 PM
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At 4/12/2014 9:16:12 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/12/2014 7:16:59 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 4/12/2014 5:50:35 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/12/2014 1:43:19 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

When did Jesus ever oppose slavery? And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"? Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

I think you are being unfair here. Slavery was normal at that time and in any case I'm quite sure Paul enjouned masters to treat their slaves fairly. May I mention that while slavery has largely ended, the exploitation of fellow humans (which slavery typified) is still carried own in the era we are in. I'm sure you will likewise advise people to be good workers. In a possible fituristic economy where menial jobs are done by robots, this may be viewed as bad injunction.

100% that I agree. Slavery is practiced in many parts. Islamic countries, well some, not all, still believe in enslaving others. It maybe illegal in the books but it's not enforced.

So is slavery morally wrong, or morally right?

It's morally wrong, but at least we've learned our mistake. Meanwhile in many Islamic countries, slavery is legal.
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4/12/2014 9:42:07 PM
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At 4/12/2014 9:17:24 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 4/12/2014 9:16:12 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/12/2014 7:16:59 PM, Adam2 wrote:
At 4/12/2014 5:50:35 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/12/2014 1:43:19 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

When did Jesus ever oppose slavery? And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"? Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

I think you are being unfair here. Slavery was normal at that time and in any case I'm quite sure Paul enjouned masters to treat their slaves fairly. May I mention that while slavery has largely ended, the exploitation of fellow humans (which slavery typified) is still carried own in the era we are in. I'm sure you will likewise advise people to be good workers. In a possible fituristic economy where menial jobs are done by robots, this may be viewed as bad injunction.

100% that I agree. Slavery is practiced in many parts. Islamic countries, well some, not all, still believe in enslaving others. It maybe illegal in the books but it's not enforced.

So is slavery morally wrong, or morally right?

It's morally wrong, but at least we've learned our mistake. Meanwhile in many Islamic countries, slavery is legal.

This is kind of the point that atheists and nonbelievers are making.

The claim that this God is just and good and righteous, is utterly demonstrated to be false.

Its fine with things like islamic countries, where the muslims are claiming that it is moral to own slaves, and a god given right. But with christians who accept that God endorsed these sort of things, and yet they realize and claim it is immoral, demonstrates the absurdity of this claim.
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4/13/2014 2:08:59 AM
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At 4/12/2014 9:14:39 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/12/2014 5:50:35 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/12/2014 1:43:19 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

When did Jesus ever oppose slavery? And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"? Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

I think you are being unfair here. Slavery was normal at that time and in any case I'm quite sure Paul enjouned masters to treat their slaves fairly. May I mention that while slavery has largely ended, the exploitation of fellow humans (which slavery typified) is still carried own in the era we are in. I'm sure you will likewise advise people to be good workers. In a possible fituristic economy where menial jobs are done by robots, this may be viewed as bad injunction.

Im not blaming them for having antiquated morals, but im also not one to sugarcoat it either. Although its strange as to how someone who is supposed to have high morals, utterly missed, and infact, got it completely opposite with regards to something we consider universally as immoral, I am completely aware that slavery was completely normal, and considered morally good.

Slavery was widespread in times when wars, superstitions, barbarism where still very prevalent. Hence, it was a consequence of the times. Again, the same way exploitation of workers may not be viewed as immoral. You just have to study the systems in places like Dubai or Foxconn in China as a case sample of this . . . In some cases, I would argue that exploitation of workers is worse than slavery; and remember there were terms allowed for slaves to be free, the fact that some slaves chose to stay with their masters is telling. Bottomline: slavery isn't entirely immoral, just as the various economies practices prevalent now aren't entirely morsl.
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4/13/2014 3:33:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

Personally any christian that believes jesus is a white man and was a white european descent is still holding on to racisim. Some knowingly and unknowingly.

Sad part is blacks still serve the white man. Im free from the slave master or sheperd. No longer serving jesus. I am a free black man.



I have a couple questions
Why do you feel blacks serve white men?
How do Christians use religion to enslave african people?
Can you please give some examples so we can better understand why you feel this way
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4/13/2014 5:42:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/13/2014 2:08:59 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/12/2014 9:14:39 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/12/2014 5:50:35 PM, Iredia wrote:
At 4/12/2014 1:43:19 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:48:48 PM, FLMinistries wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

To be a Christian is to follow the commands of Christ because you love Christ. Christ opposed slavery. Christ taught to put others before yourself and to make the lowest first and the first the lowest. Hence against slavery. One who SAYS they are Christian but acts not like the gospel suggest by following Christ commands are not Christian, they are simply giving lip service.

When did Jesus ever oppose slavery? And didnt Paul talk about this, by saying "Slaves, obey your masters"? Didnt he return a runaway slave to his master?

I think you are being unfair here. Slavery was normal at that time and in any case I'm quite sure Paul enjouned masters to treat their slaves fairly. May I mention that while slavery has largely ended, the exploitation of fellow humans (which slavery typified) is still carried own in the era we are in. I'm sure you will likewise advise people to be good workers. In a possible fituristic economy where menial jobs are done by robots, this may be viewed as bad injunction.

Im not blaming them for having antiquated morals, but im also not one to sugarcoat it either. Although its strange as to how someone who is supposed to have high morals, utterly missed, and infact, got it completely opposite with regards to something we consider universally as immoral, I am completely aware that slavery was completely normal, and considered morally good.

Slavery was widespread in times when wars, superstitions, barbarism where still very prevalent. Hence, it was a consequence of the times.

Again, sure, i never disputed this. But none of this changes the fact that this was still immoral and wrong.

Again, the same way exploitation of workers may not be viewed as immoral. You just have to study the systems in places like Dubai or Foxconn in China as a case sample of this . . .

With regards to concepts like debt bondage? Yes, it is immoral, and it is often cited and referred to as modern slavery.

In some cases, I would argue that exploitation of workers is worse than slavery;

It would depend on the exploitation, but sure, im certain you could find something that is worse than slavery. I dont see why this would matter, though.

and remember there were terms allowed for slaves to be free, the fact that some slaves chose to stay with their masters is telling.

Sure. If you were beaten so severely, you lost an eye or a tooth, you would be set free. And if your slave master provides you with a wife, and eventually children, they all belong to your slave master, in which case you can stay as a slave forever by having a nail rammed through your ear into the door.

Bottomline: slavery isn't entirely immoral, just as the various economies practices prevalent now aren't entirely morsl.

With regards to the specific institution of slavery? Sure. But with regards to the actual aspect of slavery, i.e. owning another human being as property? No, thats pretty much considered universally immoral.

I mean, everything about the institution of slavery, can exist without the slavery part.
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4/13/2014 7:57:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Interesting that you would choose a Jewish god over a Christian one. Why not just have a black god? Make one up, that's what everyone else did.
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4/15/2014 5:03:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/13/2014 7:57:48 PM, Keltron wrote:
Interesting that you would choose a Jewish god over a Christian one. Why not just have a black god? Make one up, that's what everyone else did.

At 4/13/2014 3:33:22 PM, chass23RN wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

Personally any christian that believes jesus is a white man and was a white european descent is still holding on to racisim. Some knowingly and unknowingly.

Sad part is blacks still serve the white man. Im free from the slave master or sheperd. No longer serving jesus. I am a free black man.

I have a couple questions
Why do you feel blacks serve white men?
How do Christians use religion to enslave african people?
Can you please give some examples so we can better understand why you feel this way

The example is simple in the history. Slaves in america did not have to freedom to choose their own religion but christianity was forced upon black slaves to worship the white jesus as god, which its desendants fearing european people, and believing they are more superior then african americans.

At Keltron
Yahweh was not created by men. Most jews worship THE LORD, aka baal. Not Yahweh. The Habiru or Hebrew people were not white if that is what you are referring to. However that is neither here nor there. Jesus did not reveal himself to me or deliver me; neither did any other god or black god whatever that means. However, Yahweh is the only one to reveal who he is to me. That is the reason why worship him and him alone. He revealed to me that he is the God of Abraham and there is no other God and advised me to worship him and him alone. This was revealed to me while I was a Christian. That"s the reason why I believe in Yahweh and nothing and no one else.
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7/8/2014 5:14:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/15/2014 5:03:55 PM, question4u wrote:
At 4/13/2014 7:57:48 PM, Keltron wrote:
Interesting that you would choose a Jewish god over a Christian one. Why not just have a black god? Make one up, that's what everyone else did.

At 4/13/2014 3:33:22 PM, chass23RN wrote:
At 4/11/2014 5:10:59 PM, question4u wrote:
Why did christians use religion to enslave and continue to this day to enslave african people?

Personally any christian that believes jesus is a white man and was a white european descent is still holding on to racisim. Some knowingly and unknowingly.

Sad part is blacks still serve the white man. Im free from the slave master or sheperd. No longer serving jesus. I am a free black man.

I have a couple questions
Why do you feel blacks serve white men?
How do Christians use religion to enslave african people?
Can you please give some examples so we can better understand why you feel this way

The example is simple in the history. Slaves in america did not have to freedom to choose their own religion but christianity was forced upon black slaves to worship the white jesus as god, which its desendants fearing european people, and believing they are more superior then african americans.

At Keltron
Yahweh was not created by men. Most jews worship THE LORD, aka baal. Not Yahweh. The Habiru or Hebrew people were not white if that is what you are referring to. However that is neither here nor there. Jesus did not reveal himself to me or deliver me; neither did any other god or black god whatever that means. However, Yahweh is the only one to reveal who he is to me. That is the reason why worship him and him alone. He revealed to me that he is the God of Abraham and there is no other God and advised me to worship him and him alone. This was revealed to me while I was a Christian. That"s the reason why I believe in Yahweh and nothing and no one else.

@Keltron