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el_em_en_oh
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4/16/2014 3:48:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

In order to explain, what at the time, was unexplainable.

There is no dog.
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4/16/2014 3:57:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

First there were never billions of cultures on this earth. Second, the concept of God was a natural part of developing human curiosity. "Where did all this come from?" was an inevitable question. Doing something "bad" then having by pure chance a volcano erupt and wipe out your family led to the post hoc ergo proptor hoc fallacy that someone, invisible of course, was paying you back for your doing something wrong.
Checkmate........I don't think so.
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4/16/2014 8:25:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Man didn't invent or create anything. We exist within the mind of our Creator as His dream so everything we perceive are only illusions and not something that is real. The only thing that is real is our invisible Creator and His dreams ( thoughts ) where we exist.
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4/16/2014 9:33:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 8:25:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Man didn't invent or create anything. We exist within the mind of our Creator as His dream so everything we perceive are only illusions and not something that is real. The only thing that is real is our invisible Creator and His dreams ( thoughts ) where we exist.

TRUE. I THOUGHT OF THIS AS WELL.
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4/16/2014 9:54:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

That doesn't even make sense.

How did they invent a word for God "before" religion? If they're talking about God they have religion.

Furthermore, you're literally trying to win a debate with an appeal to primitive hunter-gatherers? That's like even worse than argumentum ad populum.

Looks like it's just a stalemate (OH SNAP!).
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4/16/2014 10:16:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

This is a debate site. If you want to boast about checkmating those who disagree with you then you need to present an argument.
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4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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4/17/2014 12:27:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

I am detecting that a pattern is emerging from your scant arguments and your post topics which lack thoughtfulness. That pattern being your non cogent assertions and your persistent exhortations on atheists to reveal evidence that negates the existence of God.

Concerning this specific post, I fail to understand your resolution. Can you kindly explicate your question because It seems to be a bit opaque. Is it verifiable that "billions" of cultures implemented a word describing God into their vocabulary before the establishment of religion. Where do you derive your knowledge of this claim? I wish to examine the information you obtained regarding what you suggested.
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4/17/2014 12:32:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
You guys do realize he's just a troll, right? And that you're feeding him?
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4/17/2014 5:22:17 AM
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How did I get under this bridge? And why does this place feel very familiar?
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4/17/2014 6:22:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't.
You run around claiming these things, then claim you merely "lack belief", whenever asked to substantiate anything.
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4/18/2014 12:01:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/17/2014 6:22:21 PM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't.
You run around claiming these things, then claim you merely "lack belief", whenever asked to substantiate anything.

Oh, do you know of a god that wasn't created by men?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
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4/18/2014 12:10:48 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

And I was so sure that Atheism was rational. Darn, I guess its back to church for me.

My eyes have been opened.
Installgentoo
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4/18/2014 12:22:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:01:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/17/2014 6:22:21 PM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't.
You run around claiming these things, then claim you merely "lack belief", whenever asked to substantiate anything.

Oh, do you know of a god that wasn't created by men?

You're dodging the question. He's asking you to show the Bible or any other text was made by men. Can you follow me?
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4/18/2014 12:26:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:22:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:01:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/17/2014 6:22:21 PM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't.
You run around claiming these things, then claim you merely "lack belief", whenever asked to substantiate anything.

Oh, do you know of a god that wasn't created by men?

You're dodging the question. He's asking you to show the Bible or any other text was made by men. Can you follow me?

Umm no.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
Installgentoo
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4/18/2014 12:32:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:26:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:22:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:01:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/17/2014 6:22:21 PM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't.
You run around claiming these things, then claim you merely "lack belief", whenever asked to substantiate anything.

Oh, do you know of a god that wasn't created by men?

You're dodging the question. He's asking you to show the Bible or any other text was made by men. Can you follow me?

Umm no.

I'm asking you to prove the Bible or any other Holy Text is man-made and not divinely inspired.
PGA
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4/18/2014 12:44:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 3:57:13 PM, laocmo wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

First there were never billions of cultures on this earth.

It depends how you define a culture.

Culture:
the beliefs, customs, arts, etc., of a particular society, group, place, or time

a particular society that has its own beliefs, ways of life, art, etc.

a way of thinking, behaving, or working that exists in a place or organization (such as a business)

Second, the concept of God was a natural part of developing human curiosity. "Where did all this come from?" was an inevitable question. Doing something "bad" then having by pure chance a volcano erupt and wipe out your family led to the post hoc ergo proptor hoc fallacy that someone, invisible of course, was paying you back for your doing something wrong.
Checkmate........I don't think so.

Or man, before he educated himself into imbecility, understood that chance creates nothing. Only being has intent and agency and is able to sustain things in a uniform way. The 'Laws of Nature' as well as the laws of logic do not arise outside of mind - the mind of God. Atheists are their own worst enemies. They have no ultimate answers yet pontificate what is and what has been. Why should things be as you say they are?

Please examine the board and your position again. Where can your king move out of check where he is not in jeopardy of being taken?

Peter
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4/18/2014 12:45:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 3:48:37 PM, el_em_en_oh wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

In order to explain, what at the time, was unexplainable.

There is no dog.

I have three.

Peter
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4/18/2014 12:48:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/16/2014 8:25:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Man didn't invent or create anything. We exist within the mind of our Creator as His dream so everything we perceive are only illusions and not something that is real. The only thing that is real is our invisible Creator and His dreams ( thoughts ) where we exist.

Your writings are an illusion. There is nothing real about them.

Peter
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4/18/2014 12:50:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:44:47 AM, PGA wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:57:13 PM, laocmo wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

First there were never billions of cultures on this earth.

It depends how you define a culture.

No, it doesn't; there have not been billions of cultures. People, yes. Cultures, no. Not by a long shot.
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4/18/2014 12:58:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:32:05 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:26:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:22:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:01:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/17/2014 6:22:21 PM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't.
You run around claiming these things, then claim you merely "lack belief", whenever asked to substantiate anything.

Oh, do you know of a god that wasn't created by men?

You're dodging the question. He's asking you to show the Bible or any other text was made by men. Can you follow me?

Umm no.

I'm asking you to prove the Bible or any other Holy Text is man-made and not divinely inspired.

And before that I asked for a god that wasn't created by men.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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4/18/2014 1:04:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:50:11 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:44:47 AM, PGA wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:57:13 PM, laocmo wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

First there were never billions of cultures on this earth.

It depends how you define a culture.

No, it doesn't; there have not been billions of cultures. People, yes. Cultures, no. Not by a long shot.

A culture can be defined as any particular group that believes a certain thing. That group can be a small handful or more people. You are limiting culture to the broad definition of a society, but a society, in general, is made up of many diverse cultures or groups that do not necessarily believe what the main group believe on any given issue.

5
a : the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations
b : the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (as diversions or a way of life} shared by people in a place or time <popular culture> <southern culture>
c : the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization
d : the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic <studying the effect of computers on print culture> <changing the culture of materialism will take time " Peggy O'Mara>

http://www.merriam-webster.com...

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4/18/2014 1:05:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:58:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:32:05 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:26:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:22:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:01:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/17/2014 6:22:21 PM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't.
You run around claiming these things, then claim you merely "lack belief", whenever asked to substantiate anything.

Oh, do you know of a god that wasn't created by men?

You're dodging the question. He's asking you to show the Bible or any other text was made by men. Can you follow me?

Umm no.

I'm asking you to prove the Bible or any other Holy Text is man-made and not divinely inspired.

And before that I asked for a god that wasn't created by men.

Your question is based on the assumption that Holy Texts are fake, which brings me back to asking you whether or not you can show me a Holy Text which has been faked.

I'll be waiting for an actual answer to my question, but I won't hold my breath.
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4/18/2014 1:11:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 12:58:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:32:05 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:26:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:22:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:01:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/17/2014 6:22:21 PM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't.
You run around claiming these things, then claim you merely "lack belief", whenever asked to substantiate anything.

Oh, do you know of a god that wasn't created by men?

You're dodging the question. He's asking you to show the Bible or any other text was made by men. Can you follow me?

Umm no.

I'm asking you to prove the Bible or any other Holy Text is man-made and not divinely inspired.

And before that I asked for a god that wasn't created by men.

The problem is with you, not God. No matter what evidence is given you will not believe. There is no point in pursuing the matter with someone who is not open to the evidence. The only recourse is to find out what holds such a worldview together because when it gets down to life's ultimate questions the foundation of such a belief system crumbles.

Peter
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4/18/2014 1:18:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:04:13 AM, PGA wrote:
A culture can be defined as any particular group that believes a certain thing. That group can be a small handful or more people. You are limiting culture to the broad definition of a society, but a society, in general, is made up of many diverse cultures or groups that do not necessarily believe what the main group believe on any given issue.

And there still haven't been billions of them. Do you have any idea how large a number a billion is? For there to have been billions of cultures, every single culture ever could have consisted of no more than about 50 people. Since that's demonstrably not true, there can't have been billions of cultures that came up with the idea of god.

You can argue with maths if you want, but there's only going to be one loser.
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4/18/2014 1:27:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:11:33 AM, PGA wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:58:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:32:05 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:26:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:22:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:01:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/17/2014 6:22:21 PM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't.
You run around claiming these things, then claim you merely "lack belief", whenever asked to substantiate anything.

Oh, do you know of a god that wasn't created by men?

You're dodging the question. He's asking you to show the Bible or any other text was made by men. Can you follow me?

Umm no.

I'm asking you to prove the Bible or any other Holy Text is man-made and not divinely inspired.

And before that I asked for a god that wasn't created by men.

The problem is with you, not God. No matter what evidence is given you will not believe. There is no point in pursuing the matter with someone who is not open to the evidence. The only recourse is to find out what holds such a worldview together because when it gets down to life's ultimate questions the foundation of such a belief system crumbles.

Peter
Life's ultimate questions, LOL.
You know what those questions are? Really?
And you know the answers? WOW!
Please enlighten us oh wise one.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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4/18/2014 1:37:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:18:49 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 4/18/2014 1:04:13 AM, PGA wrote:
A culture can be defined as any particular group that believes a certain thing. That group can be a small handful or more people. You are limiting culture to the broad definition of a society, but a society, in general, is made up of many diverse cultures or groups that do not necessarily believe what the main group believe on any given issue.

And there still haven't been billions of them. Do you have any idea how large a number a billion is? For there to have been billions of cultures, every single culture ever could have consisted of no more than about 50 people. Since that's demonstrably not true, there can't have been billions of cultures that came up with the idea of god.

You can argue with maths if you want, but there's only going to be one loser.

Within the larger culture of Islam or Christianity there are a vast number of sub-cultures in which people splinter off from the main teaching, just as there can in Hinduism concerning the particular god one believes in as his/her personal god. Within the beliefs about God and gods there can literally be billions of different cultural views that handfuls or larger groups of the six or so billion believers in God or gods that now exist hold or have held since the dawn of time. Cultural beliefs change for some many times within their lifetime. People shift in and out of cultural beliefs so the number may not be as exaggerated as you suppose.

I think you are making as many suppositions as you think I am.

Peter
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4/18/2014 1:46:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:27:09 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 1:11:33 AM, PGA wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:58:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:32:05 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:26:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:22:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:01:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/17/2014 6:22:21 PM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't.
You run around claiming these things, then claim you merely "lack belief", whenever asked to substantiate anything.

Oh, do you know of a god that wasn't created by men?

You're dodging the question. He's asking you to show the Bible or any other text was made by men. Can you follow me?

Umm no.

I'm asking you to prove the Bible or any other Holy Text is man-made and not divinely inspired.

And before that I asked for a god that wasn't created by men.

The problem is with you, not God. No matter what evidence is given you will not believe. There is no point in pursuing the matter with someone who is not open to the evidence. The only recourse is to find out what holds such a worldview together because when it gets down to life's ultimate questions the foundation of such a belief system crumbles.

Peter
Life's ultimate questions, LOL.
You know what those questions are? Really?

Why are we here? How did we get here? What difference does it make in why we are here or how we got here? To even consider such questions you delve into the realm of ethics and morality, yet as an atheist you have no reasonable basis for either and you can't demonstrate that you do.

And you know the answers? WOW!
Please enlighten us oh wise one.

Without God there are no intelligent answers. You first have to presuppose that He exists in order to make sense of anything. You have nothing. You're shooting blanks. We've been through all this before. It is a waste of time. You want to justify a worldview that has no ultimate justification for itself.

Peter
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4/18/2014 5:07:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:05:53 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:58:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:32:05 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:26:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:22:45 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 4/18/2014 12:01:21 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/17/2014 6:22:21 PM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/16/2014 11:58:27 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/16/2014 3:31:07 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Why did billions of cultures invent a word for God before there was religion?

Check mate atheists.

Not only did they invent the word god, they invented the gods to go with the word, how about that?

Prove it.
Oh wait, you can't.
You run around claiming these things, then claim you merely "lack belief", whenever asked to substantiate anything.

Oh, do you know of a god that wasn't created by men?

You're dodging the question. He's asking you to show the Bible or any other text was made by men. Can you follow me?

Umm no.

I'm asking you to prove the Bible or any other Holy Text is man-made and not divinely inspired.

And before that I asked for a god that wasn't created by men.

Your question is based on the assumption that Holy Texts are fake, which brings me back to asking you whether or not you can show me a Holy Text which has been faked.

I'll be waiting for an actual answer to my question, but I won't hold my breath.

My question has nothing to do with what you might call holy texts, btw what do you mean by fake.

I take it you are claiming that there has never been man made gods. Every god ever believed in is the one true god?

Have fun proving that.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin