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Pitbull15
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4/18/2014 1:56:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
So this is essentially based off of Orangatang's thread directed towards theists, except here, this is directed to atheists.

Would you accept theism if evidence were shown for it? Contrary to what a lot of people think, many theists question their beliefs on a regular basis, so what would change your mind about a belief in God?
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4/18/2014 2:06:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:56:58 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
So this is essentially based off of Orangatang's thread directed towards theists, except here, this is directed to atheists.

Would you accept theism if evidence were shown for it? Contrary to what a lot of people think, many theists question their beliefs on a regular basis, so what would change your mind about a belief in God?

Depends on what theistic belief was shown. I'm not sure I could readily accept the Christian belief if evidence was shown for it because I object to the God's moral character.

Belief isn't really a choice I don't think, but acceptance is. Sometimes you have to separately accept things you may believe (such as it took a couple years before i accepted I didn't believe in God), or accept stuff you find unbelievable (Quantum Mechanics, relativity?)

Hope that helps.
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4/18/2014 2:41:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:56:58 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
So this is essentially based off of Orangatang's thread directed towards theists, except here, this is directed to atheists.

Would you accept theism if evidence were shown for it? Contrary to what a lot of people think, many theists question their beliefs on a regular basis, so what would change your mind about a belief in God?

I think you are assuming that atheism is some sort of belief system that's being held based on some accepted premise (as is theism). In most cases, however, it's not. It's simply a rejection of a set of theistic propositions. So atheists don't "doubt atheism" because atheism is itself, doubt. Why would one doubt, doubt itself? That doesn't make sense.
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4/18/2014 2:50:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 2:06:56 PM, Sswdwm wrote:

Belief isn't really a choice I don't think, but acceptance is. Sometimes you have to separately accept things you may believe (such as it took a couple years before i accepted I didn't believe in God), or accept stuff you find unbelievable (Quantum Mechanics, relativity?)

It does get a little confusing, but I do believe that we choose our beliefs a lot more than we realize we are doing so. And the way we do it is by selecting the "evidence" to get the outcome we were expecting, instead of any other. I have come across many atheists, for example, that insist they are only atheists because they have no evidence to suggest the existence of God. Yet when they are presented with any number of legitimate forms of evidence, they proclaim that it's not evidence because it doesn't prove anything. What they are really doing is setting the bar above any possibility that mere evidence could achieve, by insisting that it become proof. And then they imagine they are still open-minded, when clearly they are not. And they use this false pretense to declare that they can't help but believe as they do.

But of course they could simply change their criteria for evidence, and suddenly the alternatives would become much easier to believe, if they so chose.
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4/18/2014 3:23:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 2:50:03 PM, PureX wrote:
At 4/18/2014 2:06:56 PM, Sswdwm wrote:

Belief isn't really a choice I don't think, but acceptance is. Sometimes you have to separately accept things you may believe (such as it took a couple years before i accepted I didn't believe in God), or accept stuff you find unbelievable (Quantum Mechanics, relativity?)

It does get a little confusing, but I do believe that we choose our beliefs a lot more than we realize we are doing so. And the way we do it is by selecting the "evidence" to get the outcome we were expecting, instead of any other. I have come across many atheists, for example, that insist they are only atheists because they have no evidence to suggest the existence of God. Yet when they are presented with any number of legitimate forms of evidence, they proclaim that it's not evidence because it doesn't prove anything. What they are really doing is setting the bar above any possibility that mere evidence could achieve, by insisting that it become proof. And then they imagine they are still open-minded, when clearly they are not. And they use this false pretense to declare that they can't help but believe as they do.

But of course they could simply change their criteria for evidence, and suddenly the alternatives would become much easier to believe, if they so chose.

Well, some people are naturally more gullible than others. Im sure theres atleast one person out there who was convinced that God exists because of Pascals Wager, even though most people on this forums, theists and atheist alike, agree that it is a load of cr@p.

And if they are simply brushing off the evidence presented, I would agree with you. But most of the "Evidence" that ive heard, are things that ive produced or heard actual objections against, making them invalid.
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4/18/2014 3:29:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:56:58 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
So this is essentially based off of Orangatang's thread directed towards theists, except here, this is directed to atheists.

Would you accept theism if evidence were shown for it? Contrary to what a lot of people think, many theists question their beliefs on a regular basis, so what would change your mind about a belief in God?

An evidence that God exist is seen in creation itself. If theres a creation theres a creator.

And you cant say evolution is the creator because evoulution has been proven wrong over and over again by many other scientists.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com...

Prophecies come true is an evidence of the supernatural. Many servants of God have prophecied world major events in the world months or even years before it really happened.

Even street magic itself is a proof of the supernatural , things that defy physics. It proves that beigns other than God exists. Beigns that acient cultures may have worshiped , Fallen angels mentioned in the bible that gives people power for sorcercy.

https://www.youtube.com...

There is evidence of a global flood (proves the bible as credible). Not only has all culture around the world talked about a global flood, there are also physical evidences. Fossils was formed by the globall flood. During the heavy flood animals and plants were rapidly submerged into the mud and they are the fossils we find today. more of that is covered in this video.
https://www.youtube.com...

Come to think of it there really no solid proof for evolution.

The evidence of a God and the super natural exist is more convincing than the so called "evidence" for evolution which is never observable nor testable and is mostly based on assumptions.
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4/18/2014 11:51:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 3:29:26 PM, RHEMA.97 wrote:
At 4/18/2014 1:56:58 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
So this is essentially based off of Orangatang's thread directed towards theists, except here, this is directed to atheists.

Would you accept theism if evidence were shown for it? Contrary to what a lot of people think, many theists question their beliefs on a regular basis, so what would change your mind about a belief in God?

An evidence that God exist is seen in creation itself. If theres a creation theres a creator.

And you cant say evolution is the creator because evoulution has been proven wrong over and over again by many other scientists.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com...


Prophecies come true is an evidence of the supernatural. Many servants of God have prophecied world major events in the world months or even years before it really happened.

Even street magic itself is a proof of the supernatural , things that defy physics. It proves that beigns other than God exists. Beigns that acient cultures may have worshiped , Fallen angels mentioned in the bible that gives people power for sorcercy.

https://www.youtube.com...


There is evidence of a global flood (proves the bible as credible). Not only has all culture around the world talked about a global flood, there are also physical evidences. Fossils was formed by the globall flood. During the heavy flood animals and plants were rapidly submerged into the mud and they are the fossils we find today. more of that is covered in this video.
https://www.youtube.com...


Come to think of it there really no solid proof for evolution.

The evidence of a God and the super natural exist is more convincing than the so called "evidence" for evolution which is never observable nor testable and is mostly based on assumptions.
EVERYTHING you've said here has been dis-proven more times than you've eaten breakfast.
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4/19/2014 11:22:30 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 3:29:26 PM, RHEMA.97 wrote:
An evidence that God exist is seen in creation itself. If theres a creation theres a creator.

Sure. So what is your justification in calling this universe as a "Creation"?

And you cant say evolution is the creator because evoulution has been proven wrong over and over again by many other scientists.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com...


No it hasnt. And just to demonstrate this to you, pick the 3 arguments from that website that you believe best demonstrates that evolution has been proven wrong, and ill tell you why it fails as evidence against evolution.

Prophecies come true is an evidence of the supernatural. Many servants of God have prophecied world major events in the world months or even years before it really happened.

Even those of conflicting religions?

Even street magic itself is a proof of the supernatural , things that defy physics. It proves that beigns other than God exists. Beigns that acient cultures may have worshiped , Fallen angels mentioned in the bible that gives people power for sorcercy.

https://www.youtube.com...

Sorry to break the bad news to you, but when David Copperfield makes the giant elephant dissapear, he used tricks, and not actual magic.


There is evidence of a global flood (proves the bible as credible). Not only has all culture around the world talked about a global flood, there are also physical evidences. Fossils was formed by the globall flood. During the heavy flood animals and plants were rapidly submerged into the mud and they are the fossils we find today. more of that is covered in this video.
https://www.youtube.com...

No, because the fossil record is not consistent with how a flood would lay down the fossils. This alone disproves that a global flood occurred, but there are many many more reasons. Far more than a mere 10 reasons.


Come to think of it there really no solid proof for evolution.
The evidence of a God and the super natural exist is more convincing than the so called "evidence" for evolution which is never observable nor testable and is mostly based on assumptions.

If only you had actual evidence to demonstrate this claim.
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4/19/2014 11:33:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 1:56:58 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
So this is essentially based off of Orangatang's thread directed towards theists, except here, this is directed to atheists.

Would you accept theism if evidence were shown for it? Contrary to what a lot of people think, many theists question their beliefs on a regular basis, so what would change your mind about a belief in God?

Depends what particular claims and what sort of evidence, but yes, in principle of course I would.
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4/19/2014 11:38:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/18/2014 3:29:26 PM, RHEMA.97 wrote:
At 4/18/2014 1:56:58 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
So this is essentially based off of Orangatang's thread directed towards theists, except here, this is directed to atheists.

Would you accept theism if evidence were shown for it? Contrary to what a lot of people think, many theists question their beliefs on a regular basis, so what would change your mind about a belief in God?

An evidence that God exist is seen in creation itself. If theres a creation theres a creator.

And you cant say evolution is the creator because evoulution has been proven wrong over and over again by many other scientists.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com...


Prophecies come true is an evidence of the supernatural. Many servants of God have prophecied world major events in the world months or even years before it really happened.

Even street magic itself is a proof of the supernatural , things that defy physics. It proves that beigns other than God exists. Beigns that acient cultures may have worshiped , Fallen angels mentioned in the bible that gives people power for sorcercy.

https://www.youtube.com...


There is evidence of a global flood (proves the bible as credible). Not only has all culture around the world talked about a global flood, there are also physical evidences. Fossils was formed by the globall flood. During the heavy flood animals and plants were rapidly submerged into the mud and they are the fossils we find today. more of that is covered in this video.
https://www.youtube.com...


Come to think of it there really no solid proof for evolution.

The evidence of a God and the super natural exist is more convincing than the so called "evidence" for evolution which is never observable nor testable and is mostly based on assumptions.

That Kent Hovind video is starting to make a believer out of me. How could there be fossils like the ones he shows us in that video if there wasn't a flood? How could an octopus arm fossilize and become like the one he shows us?
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4/19/2014 6:57:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/19/2014 11:38:27 AM, monty1 wrote:
At 4/18/2014 3:29:26 PM, RHEMA.97 wrote:
At 4/18/2014 1:56:58 PM, Pitbull15 wrote:
So this is essentially based off of Orangatang's thread directed towards theists, except here, this is directed to atheists.

Would you accept theism if evidence were shown for it? Contrary to what a lot of people think, many theists question their beliefs on a regular basis, so what would change your mind about a belief in God?

An evidence that God exist is seen in creation itself. If theres a creation theres a creator.

And you cant say evolution is the creator because evoulution has been proven wrong over and over again by many other scientists.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com...


Prophecies come true is an evidence of the supernatural. Many servants of God have prophecied world major events in the world months or even years before it really happened.

Even street magic itself is a proof of the supernatural , things that defy physics. It proves that beigns other than God exists. Beigns that acient cultures may have worshiped , Fallen angels mentioned in the bible that gives people power for sorcercy.

https://www.youtube.com...


There is evidence of a global flood (proves the bible as credible). Not only has all culture around the world talked about a global flood, there are also physical evidences. Fossils was formed by the globall flood. During the heavy flood animals and plants were rapidly submerged into the mud and they are the fossils we find today. more of that is covered in this video.
https://www.youtube.com...


Come to think of it there really no solid proof for evolution.

The evidence of a God and the super natural exist is more convincing than the so called "evidence" for evolution which is never observable nor testable and is mostly based on assumptions.


That Kent Hovind video is starting to make a believer out of me. How could there be fossils like the ones he shows us in that video if there wasn't a flood? How could an octopus arm fossilize and become like the one he shows us?

A global flood does not explain, and is contradicted by the fossil record.

Why are Ichthyosaurs and Dolphins, so far apart? Ichthyosaurs share the general similarities with Dolphins both in habitat and morphology, and yet they are never found together. Ichthyosaurs are only found in the Mesozoic layers, and yet Dolphins dont appear until the Cenozoic. And then you have animals that are always found at the bottom of the floor, like flatfish, that are never found at the bottom of the geologic column.

Theres just so many things that contradict a global flood as being the explanation to fossils.