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4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Proof
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

Is a tree really a tree?

A long time ago, man thought a tree was a hard physical object that when struck with his hand, it would cause his hand to have a painful experience. The proof that the tree was something hard was the physical evidence of pain to his hand after striking the tree with it.

When man used fire to burn the tree into ashes, it was proof that the tree wasn't as hard as the man thought it was. What happened to all that hard wood after it was burned into ashes?

Man began to try figure out why fire burns hard trees into ashes. Their proof was that the hard physical tree was made up of invisible atomic elements that change because of heat.

In the past 100 years or so, man has been trying to prove that the particles they observe in these atomic elements are the hard physical evidence they need to convince themselves that the tree is something real.

In the past few years, a few physicists have proof that these particles are only particles when observed and when they don't observe them, they go back to invisible waves. If this proof is showing us the true existence of a particle, then particles aren't hard physical objects that make up a tree that can cause physical pain to a man's hand as he strikes it.

Quantum particle physicists today are still trying to prove whether or not particles are hard physical objects or invisible waves that form into physical appearing objects when observed. The slit test they use to observe these particles does not work in the way they thought it should. Instead, it proved to them that they were wrong about what a particle is.

When a man called a scientist gets an idea in his mind such as the question of what a particle really is after the slit test proves that he was wrong about particles being solid objects, he tries to get the answer to his question by further testing. Here's their latest proof that particles aren't what they thought they were at one time. Their proof is that there are other particles interacting with the particles that seem to disappear when they're not looking at them.

A theory is a question in the mind of the scientist that causes him to search for the answer. So the theory that a particle is a hard physical object has been proved wrong with the slit test. They know that particles become invisible waves when not observed so this should be enough information to let them know that these particles are only illusions that aren't real, meaning that a tree that man once thought was a hard physical object is now known as an illusion that can only be observed. When not observed, the tree only exists as invisible waves.

So far, we have proof that a tree is not a hard physical object that when struck by a hand, can cause the hand to feel pain. Is pain in a hand that strikes the tree enough proof that the tree is a hard physical object? Not according to these people who don't experience pain; http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Try to prove to these people who can't experience pain that pain is something real. It makes no difference to them what kinds of theories they come up with to explain why they can't feel pain. All they know is that pain doesn't exist for them. They know for a fact that hitting a tree with their hand will not cause them any pain.

Are these people that don't experience pain mentally ill?

Can they prove to anyone that pain is NOT real and it's only an illusion that most people believe in as being real?

Can a man with pain in his head prove that he has pain, other than saying he has pain in his head?

Any man can disclaim a man who can't experience pain with all kinds of theories but do they have physical proof that these people can't experience pain other than by what they say.

If proof is needed to find the truth about something, then our Creator, who calls Himself the Truth, has proved to His people that He truly is invisible. There's absolutely no proof that an invisible Creator exists or that we exist as hard physical objects in a universe that appears to be filled with other hard physical objects. These quantum particle physicists are only seeing illusions and nothing else. They can only observe these particles ( illusions ) but as soon as they aren't observed, they become invisible waves that can't be seen by anyone.

They can call these particles elements, electrons, neutrons, protons, quarks, anti-quarks, baryons, hadrons, mesons, bosons, fermions or whatever but they're only illusions that aren't real. They have no hard physical proof that these particles exist as being the Truth. They can only be observed and that's it.

God knows how to deceive all His people into believing in His illusions that are formed from invisible waves, our true created existence within His thoughts ( mind ).

The only way our invisible Creator can prove to us saints that He exists is by giving us commands to obey and performing miracles ( making physical appearing illusions change on command ) to get our attention and force our bodies to do things that are out of the ordinary and write and speak things that most of His people have never heard before. I can share miracle stories in this forum but if you didn't observe these miracles yourself, you will be left with no proof that they happened. You will either believe they happened or not believe they happened. And "belief" is NOT proof that our Creator exists.
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4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Proof
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

Is a tree really a tree?

A long time ago, man thought a tree was a hard physical object that when struck with his hand, it would cause his hand to have a painful experience. The proof that the tree was something hard was the physical evidence of pain to his hand after striking the tree with it.

When man used fire to burn the tree into ashes, it was proof that the tree wasn't as hard as the man thought it was. What happened to all that hard wood after it was burned into ashes?

Man began to try figure out why fire burns hard trees into ashes. Their proof was that the hard physical tree was made up of invisible atomic elements that change because of heat.

In the past 100 years or so, man has been trying to prove that the particles they observe in these atomic elements are the hard physical evidence they need to convince themselves that the tree is something real.

In the past few years, a few physicists have proof that these particles are only particles when observed and when they don't observe them, they go back to invisible waves. If this proof is showing us the true existence of a particle, then particles aren't hard physical objects that make up a tree that can cause physical pain to a man's hand as he strikes it.

Quantum particle physicists today are still trying to prove whether or not particles are hard physical objects or invisible waves that form into physical appearing objects when observed. The slit test they use to observe these particles does not work in the way they thought it should. Instead, it proved to them that they were wrong about what a particle is.

When a man called a scientist gets an idea in his mind such as the question of what a particle really is after the slit test proves that he was wrong about particles being solid objects, he tries to get the answer to his question by further testing. Here's their latest proof that particles aren't what they thought they were at one time. Their proof is that there are other particles interacting with the particles that seem to disappear when they're not looking at them.

A theory is a question in the mind of the scientist that causes him to search for the answer. So the theory that a particle is a hard physical object has been proved wrong with the slit test. They know that particles become invisible waves when not observed so this should be enough information to let them know that these particles are only illusions that aren't real, meaning that a tree that man once thought was a hard physical object is now known as an illusion that can only be observed. When not observed, the tree only exists as invisible waves.

So far, we have proof that a tree is not a hard physical object that when struck by a hand, can cause the hand to feel pain. Is pain in a hand that strikes the tree enough proof that the tree is a hard physical object? Not according to these people who don't experience pain; http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Try to prove to these people who can't experience pain that pain is something real. It makes no difference to them what kinds of theories they come up with to explain why they can't feel pain. All they know is that pain doesn't exist for them. They know for a fact that hitting a tree with their hand will not cause them any pain.

Are these people that don't experience pain mentally ill?

Can they prove to anyone that pain is NOT real and it's only an illusion that most people believe in as being real?

Can a man with pain in his head prove that he has pain, other than saying he has pain in his head?

Any man can disclaim a man who can't experience pain with all kinds of theories but do they have physical proof that these people can't experience pain other than by what they say.

If proof is needed to find the truth about something, then our Creator, who calls Himself the Truth, has proved to His people that He truly is invisible. There's absolutely no proof that an invisible Creator exists or that we exist as hard physical objects in a universe that appears to be filled with other hard physical objects. These quantum particle physicists are only seeing illusions and nothing else. They can only observe these particles ( illusions ) but as soon as they aren't observed, they become invisible waves that can't be seen by anyone.

They can call these particles elements, electrons, neutrons, protons, quarks, anti-quarks, baryons, hadrons, mesons, bosons, fermions or whatever but they're only illusions that aren't real. They have no hard physical proof that these particles exist as being the Truth. They can only be observed and that's it.

God knows how to deceive all His people into believing in His illusions that are formed from invisible waves, our true created existence within His thoughts ( mind ).

The only way our invisible Creator can prove to us saints that He exists is by giving us commands to obey and performing miracles ( making physical appearing illusions change on command ) to get our attention and force our bodies to do things that are out of the ordinary and write and speak things that most of His people have never heard before. I can share miracle stories in this forum but if you didn't observe these miracles yourself, you will be left with no proof that they happened. You will either believe they happened or not believe they happened. And "belief" is NOT proof that our Creator exists.

So why does God reveal himself to you and not the rest of us? That sounds pretty unfair to me.
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4/20/2014 11:50:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Well, it looks like a tree is not a tree anymore. Nothing is real and that is probably proposed because their bible isn't real. (according to brother neutral)

That is so deeeeeeeppppp! OOOOOooooooooo
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4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Proof
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

Is a tree really a tree?

A long time ago, man thought a tree was a hard physical object that when struck with his hand, it would cause his hand to have a painful experience. The proof that the tree was something hard was the physical evidence of pain to his hand after striking the tree with it.

When man used fire to burn the tree into ashes, it was proof that the tree wasn't as hard as the man thought it was. What happened to all that hard wood after it was burned into ashes?

Man began to try figure out why fire burns hard trees into ashes. Their proof was that the hard physical tree was made up of invisible atomic elements that change because of heat.

In the past 100 years or so, man has been trying to prove that the particles they observe in these atomic elements are the hard physical evidence they need to convince themselves that the tree is something real.

In the past few years, a few physicists have proof that these particles are only particles when observed and when they don't observe them, they go back to invisible waves. If this proof is showing us the true existence of a particle, then particles aren't hard physical objects that make up a tree that can cause physical pain to a man's hand as he strikes it.

Quantum particle physicists today are still trying to prove whether or not particles are hard physical objects or invisible waves that form into physical appearing objects when observed. The slit test they use to observe these particles does not work in the way they thought it should. Instead, it proved to them that they were wrong about what a particle is.

When a man called a scientist gets an idea in his mind such as the question of what a particle really is after the slit test proves that he was wrong about particles being solid objects, he tries to get the answer to his question by further testing. Here's their latest proof that particles aren't what they thought they were at one time. Their proof is that there are other particles interacting with the particles that seem to disappear when they're not looking at them.

A theory is a question in the mind of the scientist that causes him to search for the answer. So the theory that a particle is a hard physical object has been proved wrong with the slit test. They know that particles become invisible waves when not observed so this should be enough information to let them know that these particles are only illusions that aren't real, meaning that a tree that man once thought was a hard physical object is now known as an illusion that can only be observed. When not observed, the tree only exists as invisible waves.

So far, we have proof that a tree is not a hard physical object that when struck by a hand, can cause the hand to feel pain. Is pain in a hand that strikes the tree enough proof that the tree is a hard physical object? Not according to these people who don't experience pain; http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Try to prove to these people who can't experience pain that pain is something real. It makes no difference to them what kinds of theories they come up with to explain why they can't feel pain. All they know is that pain doesn't exist for them. They know for a fact that hitting a tree with their hand will not cause them any pain.

Are these people that don't experience pain mentally ill?

Can they prove to anyone that pain is NOT real and it's only an illusion that most people believe in as being real?

Can a man with pain in his head prove that he has pain, other than saying he has pain in his head?

Any man can disclaim a man who can't experience pain with all kinds of theories but do they have physical proof that these people can't experience pain other than by what they say.

If proof is needed to find the truth about something, then our Creator, who calls Himself the Truth, has proved to His people that He truly is invisible. There's absolutely no proof that an invisible Creator exists or that we exist as hard physical objects in a universe that appears to be filled with other hard physical objects. These quantum particle physicists are only seeing illusions and nothing else. They can only observe these particles ( illusions ) but as soon as they aren't observed, they become invisible waves that can't be seen by anyone.

They can call these particles elements, electrons, neutrons, protons, quarks, anti-quarks, baryons, hadrons, mesons, bosons, fermions or whatever but they're only illusions that aren't real. They have no hard physical proof that these particles exist as being the Truth. They can only be observed and that's it.

God knows how to deceive all His people into believing in His illusions that are formed from invisible waves, our true created existence within His thoughts ( mind ).

The only way our invisible Creator can prove to us saints that He exists is by giving us commands to obey and performing miracles ( making physical appearing illusions change on command ) to get our attention and force our bodies to do things that are out of the ordinary and write and speak things that most of His people have never heard before. I can share miracle stories in this forum but if you didn't observe these miracles yourself, you will be left with no proof that they happened. You will either believe they happened or not believe they happened. And "belief" is NOT proof that our Creator exists.

So why does God reveal himself to you and not the rest of us? That sounds pretty unfair to me.

He only needed to use a few bodies during this age to reveal the Truth. Don't worry, none of us will remember living in this age before we all die in this world.

Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
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4/22/2014 8:06:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/20/2014 11:50:47 PM, monty1 wrote:
Well, it looks like a tree is not a tree anymore. Nothing is real and that is probably proposed because their bible isn't real. (according to brother neutral)

That is so deeeeeeeppppp! OOOOOooooooooo

You're right, the Bible is only an illusion like every object in this universe. It was the spoken Word that taught us who we are within the mind of our Creator. The words in a book are easily changed.
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4/22/2014 8:15:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 8:06:49 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:50:47 PM, monty1 wrote:
Well, it looks like a tree is not a tree anymore. Nothing is real and that is probably proposed because their bible isn't real. (according to brother neutral)

That is so deeeeeeeppppp! OOOOOooooooooo

You're right, the Bible is only an illusion like every object in this universe. It was the spoken Word that taught us who we are within the mind of our Creator. The words in a book are easily changed.

Well, good that science and evidence doesn't work with your logic. We would be living in caves.
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4/22/2014 8:20:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 8:15:39 PM, ArcTImes wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:06:49 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:50:47 PM, monty1 wrote:
Well, it looks like a tree is not a tree anymore. Nothing is real and that is probably proposed because their bible isn't real. (according to brother neutral)

That is so deeeeeeeppppp! OOOOOooooooooo

You're right, the Bible is only an illusion like every object in this universe. It was the spoken Word that taught us who we are within the mind of our Creator. The words in a book are easily changed.


Well, good that science and evidence doesn't work with your logic. We would be living in caves.

Science was needed by our Creator to build His illusions of the modern technology such as the microscopes, telescopes, radio, TV, movie cinema, computers, etc. to use as analogies to teach me how He created us. So it was our Creator who took us out of the caves and into the last days of modern technology to reveal who we are in Him. Physicists are now very close to saying that everything we see are only illusions that come from invisible waves, which is what our Creator taught me this past few years.
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4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Proof
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

Is a tree really a tree?

A long time ago, man thought a tree was a hard physical object that when struck with his hand, it would cause his hand to have a painful experience. The proof that the tree was something hard was the physical evidence of pain to his hand after striking the tree with it.

When man used fire to burn the tree into ashes, it was proof that the tree wasn't as hard as the man thought it was. What happened to all that hard wood after it was burned into ashes?

Man began to try figure out why fire burns hard trees into ashes. Their proof was that the hard physical tree was made up of invisible atomic elements that change because of heat.

In the past 100 years or so, man has been trying to prove that the particles they observe in these atomic elements are the hard physical evidence they need to convince themselves that the tree is something real.

In the past few years, a few physicists have proof that these particles are only particles when observed and when they don't observe them, they go back to invisible waves. If this proof is showing us the true existence of a particle, then particles aren't hard physical objects that make up a tree that can cause physical pain to a man's hand as he strikes it.

Quantum particle physicists today are still trying to prove whether or not particles are hard physical objects or invisible waves that form into physical appearing objects when observed. The slit test they use to observe these particles does not work in the way they thought it should. Instead, it proved to them that they were wrong about what a particle is.

When a man called a scientist gets an idea in his mind such as the question of what a particle really is after the slit test proves that he was wrong about particles being solid objects, he tries to get the answer to his question by further testing. Here's their latest proof that particles aren't what they thought they were at one time. Their proof is that there are other particles interacting with the particles that seem to disappear when they're not looking at them.

A theory is a question in the mind of the scientist that causes him to search for the answer. So the theory that a particle is a hard physical object has been proved wrong with the slit test. They know that particles become invisible waves when not observed so this should be enough information to let them know that these particles are only illusions that aren't real, meaning that a tree that man once thought was a hard physical object is now known as an illusion that can only be observed. When not observed, the tree only exists as invisible waves.

So far, we have proof that a tree is not a hard physical object that when struck by a hand, can cause the hand to feel pain. Is pain in a hand that strikes the tree enough proof that the tree is a hard physical object? Not according to these people who don't experience pain; http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Try to prove to these people who can't experience pain that pain is something real. It makes no difference to them what kinds of theories they come up with to explain why they can't feel pain. All they know is that pain doesn't exist for them. They know for a fact that hitting a tree with their hand will not cause them any pain.

Are these people that don't experience pain mentally ill?

Can they prove to anyone that pain is NOT real and it's only an illusion that most people believe in as being real?

Can a man with pain in his head prove that he has pain, other than saying he has pain in his head?

Any man can disclaim a man who can't experience pain with all kinds of theories but do they have physical proof that these people can't experience pain other than by what they say.

If proof is needed to find the truth about something, then our Creator, who calls Himself the Truth, has proved to His people that He truly is invisible. There's absolutely no proof that an invisible Creator exists or that we exist as hard physical objects in a universe that appears to be filled with other hard physical objects. These quantum particle physicists are only seeing illusions and nothing else. They can only observe these particles ( illusions ) but as soon as they aren't observed, they become invisible waves that can't be seen by anyone.

They can call these particles elements, electrons, neutrons, protons, quarks, anti-quarks, baryons, hadrons, mesons, bosons, fermions or whatever but they're only illusions that aren't real. They have no hard physical proof that these particles exist as being the Truth. They can only be observed and that's it.

God knows how to deceive all His people into believing in His illusions that are formed from invisible waves, our true created existence within His thoughts ( mind ).

The only way our invisible Creator can prove to us saints that He exists is by giving us commands to obey and performing miracles ( making physical appearing illusions change on command ) to get our attention and force our bodies to do things that are out of the ordinary and write and speak things that most of His people have never heard before. I can share miracle stories in this forum but if you didn't observe these miracles yourself, you will be left with no proof that they happened. You will either believe they happened or not believe they happened. And "belief" is NOT proof that our Creator exists.

So why does God reveal himself to you and not the rest of us? That sounds pretty unfair to me.

He only needed to use a few bodies during this age to reveal the Truth. Don't worry, none of us will remember living in this age before we all die in this world.

Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?

I didn't determine anything. God had His prophets write about the next age after this world is destroyed and forgotten.

Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

What do you determine from these prophecies I shared with you that were written long ago?
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4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?

I didn't determine anything. God had His prophets write about the next age after this world is destroyed and forgotten.

Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

What do you determine from these prophecies I shared with you that were written long ago?

The ones you have cited from the OT have all been fulfilled. The NT references refer to the events at the last day and are thus yet future. Your mistake is that you run from the OT to the NT, then back to the OT, then up to the NT with absolute impunity. To you, they are all the same. You aren't alone, however: the Jehovah's Witnesses tend to do the same thing.
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4/23/2014 8:57:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Proof
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

Is a tree really a tree?

A long time ago, man thought a tree was a hard physical object that when struck with his hand, it would cause his hand to have a painful experience. The proof that the tree was something hard was the physical evidence of pain to his hand after striking the tree with it.

When man used fire to burn the tree into ashes, it was proof that the tree wasn't as hard as the man thought it was. What happened to all that hard wood after it was burned into ashes?

Man began to try figure out why fire burns hard trees into ashes. Their proof was that the hard physical tree was made up of invisible atomic elements that change because of heat.

In the past 100 years or so, man has been trying to prove that the particles they observe in these atomic elements are the hard physical evidence they need to convince themselves that the tree is something real.

In the past few years, a few physicists have proof that these particles are only particles when observed and when they don't observe them, they go back to invisible waves. If this proof is showing us the true existence of a particle, then particles aren't hard physical objects that make up a tree that can cause physical pain to a man's hand as he strikes it.

Quantum particle physicists today are still trying to prove whether or not particles are hard physical objects or invisible waves that form into physical appearing objects when observed. The slit test they use to observe these particles does not work in the way they thought it should. Instead, it proved to them that they were wrong about what a particle is.

When a man called a scientist gets an idea in his mind such as the question of what a particle really is after the slit test proves that he was wrong about particles being solid objects, he tries to get the answer to his question by further testing. Here's their latest proof that particles aren't what they thought they were at one time. Their proof is that there are other particles interacting with the particles that seem to disappear when they're not looking at them.

A theory is a question in the mind of the scientist that causes him to search for the answer. So the theory that a particle is a hard physical object has been proved wrong with the slit test. They know that particles become invisible waves when not observed so this should be enough information to let them know that these particles are only illusions that aren't real, meaning that a tree that man once thought was a hard physical object is now known as an illusion that can only be observed. When not observed, the tree only exists as invisible waves.

So far, we have proof that a tree is not a hard physical object that when struck by a hand, can cause the hand to feel pain. Is pain in a hand that strikes the tree enough proof that the tree is a hard physical object? Not according to these people who don't experience pain; http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Try to prove to these people who can't experience pain that pain is something real. It makes no difference to them what kinds of theories they come up with to explain why they can't feel pain. All they know is that pain doesn't exist for them. They know for a fact that hitting a tree with their hand will not cause them any pain.

Are these people that don't experience pain mentally ill?

Can they prove to anyone that pain is NOT real and it's only an illusion that most people believe in as being real?

Can a man with pain in his head prove that he has pain, other than saying he has pain in his head?

Any man can disclaim a man who can't experience pain with all kinds of theories but do they have physical proof that these people can't experience pain other than by what they say.

If proof is needed to find the truth about something, then our Creator, who calls Himself the Truth, has proved to His people that He truly is invisible. There's absolutely no proof that an invisible Creator exists or that we exist as hard physical objects in a universe that appears to be filled with other hard physical objects. These quantum particle physicists are only seeing illusions and nothing else. They can only observe these particles ( illusions ) but as soon as they aren't observed, they become invisible waves that can't be seen by anyone.

They can call these particles elements, electrons, neutrons, protons, quarks, anti-quarks, baryons, hadrons, mesons, bosons, fermions or whatever but they're only illusions that aren't real. They have no hard physical proof that these particles exist as being the Truth. They can only be observed and that's it.

God knows how to deceive all His people into believing in His illusions that are formed from invisible waves, our true created existence within His thoughts ( mind ).

The only way our invisible Creator can prove to us saints that He exists is by giving us commands to obey and performing miracles ( making physical appearing illusions change on command ) to get our attention and force our bodies to do things that are out of the ordinary and write and speak things that most of His people have never heard before. I can share miracle stories in this forum but if you didn't observe these miracles yourself, you will be left with no proof that they happened. You will either believe they happened or not believe they happened. And "belief" is NOT proof that our Creator exists.

So why does God reveal himself to you and not the rest of us? That sounds pretty unfair to me.

He only needed to use a few bodies during this age to reveal the Truth. Don't worry, none of us will remember living in this age before we all die in this world.

How is that fair?
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4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?

I didn't determine anything. God had His prophets write about the next age after this world is destroyed and forgotten.

Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

What do you determine from these prophecies I shared with you that were written long ago?

The ones you have cited from the OT have all been fulfilled. The NT references refer to the events at the last day and are thus yet future. Your mistake is that you run from the OT to the NT, then back to the OT, then up to the NT with absolute impunity. To you, they are all the same. You aren't alone, however: the Jehovah's Witnesses tend to do the same thing.

Jeremiah 10
10: But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King. At his wrath the earth quakes, and the nations cannot endure his indignation.
11: Thus shall you say to them: "The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens."
12: It is he who made the earth by his power, who established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding stretched out the heavens.
13: When he utters his voice there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightnings for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses.
14: Every man is stupid and without knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols; for his images are false, and there is no breath in them.
15: They are worthless, a work of delusion; at the time of their punishment they shall perish.

If you think the new Heaven and Earth have appeared, then you're absolutely totally deceived by your own interpretations of the prophecies. The new Earth will be radically different that the Earth we're living on today that's full of pollution, wars, killing, religious dogma, selfishness, decay, death, etc.

Most of God's people realize that this isn't the new Heaven and Earth that was promised to His people through the prophecies written by His prophets. A new covenant will exist after this world is destroyed and the old covenant "veil" is gone.

It's obvious that you don't understand this new covenant that ALL God's people will enjoy in the next age.

Jeremiah 31
31: "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32: not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD.
33: But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34: And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Every single Christian is still under the old covenant "veil" as a sinner who can't hear the voice of God or obey any of His commandments like us saints do.
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4/23/2014 10:54:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 8:57:40 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Proof
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

Is a tree really a tree?

A long time ago, man thought a tree was a hard physical object that when struck with his hand, it would cause his hand to have a painful experience. The proof that the tree was something hard was the physical evidence of pain to his hand after striking the tree with it.

When man used fire to burn the tree into ashes, it was proof that the tree wasn't as hard as the man thought it was. What happened to all that hard wood after it was burned into ashes?

Man began to try figure out why fire burns hard trees into ashes. Their proof was that the hard physical tree was made up of invisible atomic elements that change because of heat.

In the past 100 years or so, man has been trying to prove that the particles they observe in these atomic elements are the hard physical evidence they need to convince themselves that the tree is something real.

In the past few years, a few physicists have proof that these particles are only particles when observed and when they don't observe them, they go back to invisible waves. If this proof is showing us the true existence of a particle, then particles aren't hard physical objects that make up a tree that can cause physical pain to a man's hand as he strikes it.

Quantum particle physicists today are still trying to prove whether or not particles are hard physical objects or invisible waves that form into physical appearing objects when observed. The slit test they use to observe these particles does not work in the way they thought it should. Instead, it proved to them that they were wrong about what a particle is.

When a man called a scientist gets an idea in his mind such as the question of what a particle really is after the slit test proves that he was wrong about particles being solid objects, he tries to get the answer to his question by further testing. Here's their latest proof that particles aren't what they thought they were at one time. Their proof is that there are other particles interacting with the particles that seem to disappear when they're not looking at them.

A theory is a question in the mind of the scientist that causes him to search for the answer. So the theory that a particle is a hard physical object has been proved wrong with the slit test. They know that particles become invisible waves when not observed so this should be enough information to let them know that these particles are only illusions that aren't real, meaning that a tree that man once thought was a hard physical object is now known as an illusion that can only be observed. When not observed, the tree only exists as invisible waves.

So far, we have proof that a tree is not a hard physical object that when struck by a hand, can cause the hand to feel pain. Is pain in a hand that strikes the tree enough proof that the tree is a hard physical object? Not according to these people who don't experience pain; http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Try to prove to these people who can't experience pain that pain is something real. It makes no difference to them what kinds of theories they come up with to explain why they can't feel pain. All they know is that pain doesn't exist for them. They know for a fact that hitting a tree with their hand will not cause them any pain.

Are these people that don't experience pain mentally ill?

Can they prove to anyone that pain is NOT real and it's only an illusion that most people believe in as being real?

Can a man with pain in his head prove that he has pain, other than saying he has pain in his head?

Any man can disclaim a man who can't experience pain with all kinds of theories but do they have physical proof that these people can't experience pain other than by what they say.

If proof is needed to find the truth about something, then our Creator, who calls Himself the Truth, has proved to His people that He truly is invisible. There's absolutely no proof that an invisible Creator exists or that we exist as hard physical objects in a universe that appears to be filled with other hard physical objects. These quantum particle physicists are only seeing illusions and nothing else. They can only observe these particles ( illusions ) but as soon as they aren't observed, they become invisible waves that can't be seen by anyone.

They can call these particles elements, electrons, neutrons, protons, quarks, anti-quarks, baryons, hadrons, mesons, bosons, fermions or whatever but they're only illusions that aren't real. They have no hard physical proof that these particles exist as being the Truth. They can only be observed and that's it.

God knows how to deceive all His people into believing in His illusions that are formed from invisible waves, our true created existence within His thoughts ( mind ).

The only way our invisible Creator can prove to us saints that He exists is by giving us commands to obey and performing miracles ( making physical appearing illusions change on command ) to get our attention and force our bodies to do things that are out of the ordinary and write and speak things that most of His people have never heard before. I can share miracle stories in this forum but if you didn't observe these miracles yourself, you will be left with no proof that they happened. You will either believe they happened or not believe they happened. And "belief" is NOT proof that our Creator exists.

So why does God reveal himself to you and not the rest of us? That sounds pretty unfair to me.

He only needed to use a few bodies during this age to reveal the Truth. Don't worry, none of us will remember living in this age before we all die in this world.

How is that fair?

Go ask a starving African child what "being fair" is about.
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4/23/2014 11:01:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 10:54:18 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 8:57:40 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Proof
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

Is a tree really a tree?

A long time ago, man thought a tree was a hard physical object that when struck with his hand, it would cause his hand to have a painful experience. The proof that the tree was something hard was the physical evidence of pain to his hand after striking the tree with it.

When man used fire to burn the tree into ashes, it was proof that the tree wasn't as hard as the man thought it was. What happened to all that hard wood after it was burned into ashes?

Man began to try figure out why fire burns hard trees into ashes. Their proof was that the hard physical tree was made up of invisible atomic elements that change because of heat.

In the past 100 years or so, man has been trying to prove that the particles they observe in these atomic elements are the hard physical evidence they need to convince themselves that the tree is something real.

In the past few years, a few physicists have proof that these particles are only particles when observed and when they don't observe them, they go back to invisible waves. If this proof is showing us the true existence of a particle, then particles aren't hard physical objects that make up a tree that can cause physical pain to a man's hand as he strikes it.

Quantum particle physicists today are still trying to prove whether or not particles are hard physical objects or invisible waves that form into physical appearing objects when observed. The slit test they use to observe these particles does not work in the way they thought it should. Instead, it proved to them that they were wrong about what a particle is.

When a man called a scientist gets an idea in his mind such as the question of what a particle really is after the slit test proves that he was wrong about particles being solid objects, he tries to get the answer to his question by further testing. Here's their latest proof that particles aren't what they thought they were at one time. Their proof is that there are other particles interacting with the particles that seem to disappear when they're not looking at them.

A theory is a question in the mind of the scientist that causes him to search for the answer. So the theory that a particle is a hard physical object has been proved wrong with the slit test. They know that particles become invisible waves when not observed so this should be enough information to let them know that these particles are only illusions that aren't real, meaning that a tree that man once thought was a hard physical object is now known as an illusion that can only be observed. When not observed, the tree only exists as invisible waves.

So far, we have proof that a tree is not a hard physical object that when struck by a hand, can cause the hand to feel pain. Is pain in a hand that strikes the tree enough proof that the tree is a hard physical object? Not according to these people who don't experience pain; http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Try to prove to these people who can't experience pain that pain is something real. It makes no difference to them what kinds of theories they come up with to explain why they can't feel pain. All they know is that pain doesn't exist for them. They know for a fact that hitting a tree with their hand will not cause them any pain.

Are these people that don't experience pain mentally ill?

Can they prove to anyone that pain is NOT real and it's only an illusion that most people believe in as being real?

Can a man with pain in his head prove that he has pain, other than saying he has pain in his head?

Any man can disclaim a man who can't experience pain with all kinds of theories but do they have physical proof that these people can't experience pain other than by what they say.

If proof is needed to find the truth about something, then our Creator, who calls Himself the Truth, has proved to His people that He truly is invisible. There's absolutely no proof that an invisible Creator exists or that we exist as hard physical objects in a universe that appears to be filled with other hard physical objects. These quantum particle physicists are only seeing illusions and nothing else. They can only observe these particles ( illusions ) but as soon as they aren't observed, they become invisible waves that can't be seen by anyone.

They can call these particles elements, electrons, neutrons, protons, quarks, anti-quarks, baryons, hadrons, mesons, bosons, fermions or whatever but they're only illusions that aren't real. They have no hard physical proof that these particles exist as being the Truth. They can only be observed and that's it.

God knows how to deceive all His people into believing in His illusions that are formed from invisible waves, our true created existence within His thoughts ( mind ).

The only way our invisible Creator can prove to us saints that He exists is by giving us commands to obey and performing miracles ( making physical appearing illusions change on command ) to get our attention and force our bodies to do things that are out of the ordinary and write and speak things that most of His people have never heard before. I can share miracle stories in this forum but if you didn't observe these miracles yourself, you will be left with no proof that they happened. You will either believe they happened or not believe they happened. And "belief" is NOT proof that our Creator exists.

So why does God reveal himself to you and not the rest of us? That sounds pretty unfair to me.

He only needed to use a few bodies during this age to reveal the Truth. Don't worry, none of us will remember living in this age before we all die in this world.

How is that fair?

Go ask a starving African child what "being fair" is about.

Im not God. Human beings are not God. We cannot snap our fingers and have a thousand different types of edible, perfectly ripe fruit, delivered to every starving children in africa. Human beings are not perfectly just, perfectly fair.

So are you saying that God is unjust and unfair, just like human beings?
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4/23/2014 1:49:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?

I didn't determine anything. God had His prophets write about the next age after this world is destroyed and forgotten.

Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

What do you determine from these prophecies I shared with you that were written long ago?

The ones you have cited from the OT have all been fulfilled. The NT references refer to the events at the last day and are thus yet future. Your mistake is that you run from the OT to the NT, then back to the OT, then up to the NT with absolute impunity. To you, they are all the same. You aren't alone, however: the Jehovah's Witnesses tend to do the same thing.

Jeremiah 10
10: But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King. At his wrath the earth quakes, and the nations cannot endure his indignation.
11: Thus shall you say to them: "The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens."
12: It is he who made the earth by his power, who established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding stretched out the heavens.
13: When he utters his voice there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightnings for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses.
14: Every man is stupid and without knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols; for his images are false, and there is no breath in them.
15: They are worthless, a work of delusion; at the time of their punishment they shall perish.

If you think the new Heaven and Earth have appeared, then you're absolutely totally deceived by your own interpretations of the prophecies. The new Earth will be radically different that the Earth we're living on today that's full of pollution, wars, killing, religious dogma, selfishness, decay, death, etc.

Most of God's people realize that this isn't the new Heaven and Earth that was promised to His people through the prophecies written by His prophets. A new covenant will exist after this world is destroyed and the old covenant "veil" is gone.

It's obvious that you don't understand this new covenant that ALL God's people will enjoy in the next age.

Jeremiah 31
31: "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32: not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD.
33: But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34: And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Every single Christian is still under the old covenant "veil" as a sinner who can't hear the voice of God or obey any of His commandments like us saints do.

Jer 31: 34 refers to the gospel dispensation, and the very passage is alluded to repeatedly in the NT.

"New heavens and new earth" is a figurative phrase and should be viewed as such.

The trouble with you, Brad, is that you do not really study the Bible at all. You wheel out these prophesies and decide all on your own that they haven't been fulfilled yet. I've never seen you really discuss the Bible on here for one simple reason: you can't discuss it. You do not know enough about it to discuss it.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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4/23/2014 5:07:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 11:01:15 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:54:18 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 8:57:40 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Proof
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

Is a tree really a tree?

A long time ago, man thought a tree was a hard physical object that when struck with his hand, it would cause his hand to have a painful experience. The proof that the tree was something hard was the physical evidence of pain to his hand after striking the tree with it.

When man used fire to burn the tree into ashes, it was proof that the tree wasn't as hard as the man thought it was. What happened to all that hard wood after it was burned into ashes?

Man began to try figure out why fire burns hard trees into ashes. Their proof was that the hard physical tree was made up of invisible atomic elements that change because of heat.

In the past 100 years or so, man has been trying to prove that the particles they observe in these atomic elements are the hard physical evidence they need to convince themselves that the tree is something real.

In the past few years, a few physicists have proof that these particles are only particles when observed and when they don't observe them, they go back to invisible waves. If this proof is showing us the true existence of a particle, then particles aren't hard physical objects that make up a tree that can cause physical pain to a man's hand as he strikes it.

Quantum particle physicists today are still trying to prove whether or not particles are hard physical objects or invisible waves that form into physical appearing objects when observed. The slit test they use to observe these particles does not work in the way they thought it should. Instead, it proved to them that they were wrong about what a particle is.

When a man called a scientist gets an idea in his mind such as the question of what a particle really is after the slit test proves that he was wrong about particles being solid objects, he tries to get the answer to his question by further testing. Here's their latest proof that particles aren't what they thought they were at one time. Their proof is that there are other particles interacting with the particles that seem to disappear when they're not looking at them.

A theory is a question in the mind of the scientist that causes him to search for the answer. So the theory that a particle is a hard physical object has been proved wrong with the slit test. They know that particles become invisible waves when not observed so this should be enough information to let them know that these particles are only illusions that aren't real, meaning that a tree that man once thought was a hard physical object is now known as an illusion that can only be observed. When not observed, the tree only exists as invisible waves.

So far, we have proof that a tree is not a hard physical object that when struck by a hand, can cause the hand to feel pain. Is pain in a hand that strikes the tree enough proof that the tree is a hard physical object? Not according to these people who don't experience pain; http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Try to prove to these people who can't experience pain that pain is something real. It makes no difference to them what kinds of theories they come up with to explain why they can't feel pain. All they know is that pain doesn't exist for them. They know for a fact that hitting a tree with their hand will not cause them any pain.

Are these people that don't experience pain mentally ill?

Can they prove to anyone that pain is NOT real and it's only an illusion that most people believe in as being real?

Can a man with pain in his head prove that he has pain, other than saying he has pain in his head?

Any man can disclaim a man who can't experience pain with all kinds of theories but do they have physical proof that these people can't experience pain other than by what they say.

If proof is needed to find the truth about something, then our Creator, who calls Himself the Truth, has proved to His people that He truly is invisible. There's absolutely no proof that an invisible Creator exists or that we exist as hard physical objects in a universe that appears to be filled with other hard physical objects. These quantum particle physicists are only seeing illusions and nothing else. They can only observe these particles ( illusions ) but as soon as they aren't observed, they become invisible waves that can't be seen by anyone.

They can call these particles elements, electrons, neutrons, protons, quarks, anti-quarks, baryons, hadrons, mesons, bosons, fermions or whatever but they're only illusions that aren't real. They have no hard physical proof that these particles exist as being the Truth. They can only be observed and that's it.

God knows how to deceive all His people into believing in His illusions that are formed from invisible waves, our true created existence within His thoughts ( mind ).

The only way our invisible Creator can prove to us saints that He exists is by giving us commands to obey and performing miracles ( making physical appearing illusions change on command ) to get our attention and force our bodies to do things that are out of the ordinary and write and speak things that most of His people have never heard before. I can share miracle stories in this forum but if you didn't observe these miracles yourself, you will be left with no proof that they happened. You will either believe they happened or not believe they happened. And "belief" is NOT proof that our Creator exists.

So why does God reveal himself to you and not the rest of us? That sounds pretty unfair to me.

He only needed to use a few bodies during this age to reveal the Truth. Don't worry, none of us will remember living in this age before we all die in this world.

How is that fair?

Go ask a starving African child what "being fair" is about.

Im not God. Human beings are not God. We cannot snap our fingers and have a thousand different types of edible, perfectly ripe fruit, delivered to every starving children in africa. Human beings are not perfectly just, perfectly fair.

So are you saying that God is unjust and unfair, just like human beings?

He's the Creator of ALL things, not just the good things in this world.
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4/23/2014 5:10:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 5:07:34 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 11:01:15 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:54:18 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 8:57:40 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Proof
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

Is a tree really a tree?

A long time ago, man thought a tree was a hard physical object that when struck with his hand, it would cause his hand to have a painful experience. The proof that the tree was something hard was the physical evidence of pain to his hand after striking the tree with it.

When man used fire to burn the tree into ashes, it was proof that the tree wasn't as hard as the man thought it was. What happened to all that hard wood after it was burned into ashes?

Man began to try figure out why fire burns hard trees into ashes. Their proof was that the hard physical tree was made up of invisible atomic elements that change because of heat.

In the past 100 years or so, man has been trying to prove that the particles they observe in these atomic elements are the hard physical evidence they need to convince themselves that the tree is something real.

In the past few years, a few physicists have proof that these particles are only particles when observed and when they don't observe them, they go back to invisible waves. If this proof is showing us the true existence of a particle, then particles aren't hard physical objects that make up a tree that can cause physical pain to a man's hand as he strikes it.

Quantum particle physicists today are still trying to prove whether or not particles are hard physical objects or invisible waves that form into physical appearing objects when observed. The slit test they use to observe these particles does not work in the way they thought it should. Instead, it proved to them that they were wrong about what a particle is.

When a man called a scientist gets an idea in his mind such as the question of what a particle really is after the slit test proves that he was wrong about particles being solid objects, he tries to get the answer to his question by further testing. Here's their latest proof that particles aren't what they thought they were at one time. Their proof is that there are other particles interacting with the particles that seem to disappear when they're not looking at them.

A theory is a question in the mind of the scientist that causes him to search for the answer. So the theory that a particle is a hard physical object has been proved wrong with the slit test. They know that particles become invisible waves when not observed so this should be enough information to let them know that these particles are only illusions that aren't real, meaning that a tree that man once thought was a hard physical object is now known as an illusion that can only be observed. When not observed, the tree only exists as invisible waves.

So far, we have proof that a tree is not a hard physical object that when struck by a hand, can cause the hand to feel pain. Is pain in a hand that strikes the tree enough proof that the tree is a hard physical object? Not according to these people who don't experience pain; http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Try to prove to these people who can't experience pain that pain is something real. It makes no difference to them what kinds of theories they come up with to explain why they can't feel pain. All they know is that pain doesn't exist for them. They know for a fact that hitting a tree with their hand will not cause them any pain.

Are these people that don't experience pain mentally ill?

Can they prove to anyone that pain is NOT real and it's only an illusion that most people believe in as being real?

Can a man with pain in his head prove that he has pain, other than saying he has pain in his head?

Any man can disclaim a man who can't experience pain with all kinds of theories but do they have physical proof that these people can't experience pain other than by what they say.

If proof is needed to find the truth about something, then our Creator, who calls Himself the Truth, has proved to His people that He truly is invisible. There's absolutely no proof that an invisible Creator exists or that we exist as hard physical objects in a universe that appears to be filled with other hard physical objects. These quantum particle physicists are only seeing illusions and nothing else. They can only observe these particles ( illusions ) but as soon as they aren't observed, they become invisible waves that can't be seen by anyone.

They can call these particles elements, electrons, neutrons, protons, quarks, anti-quarks, baryons, hadrons, mesons, bosons, fermions or whatever but they're only illusions that aren't real. They have no hard physical proof that these particles exist as being the Truth. They can only be observed and that's it.

God knows how to deceive all His people into believing in His illusions that are formed from invisible waves, our true created existence within His thoughts ( mind ).

The only way our invisible Creator can prove to us saints that He exists is by giving us commands to obey and performing miracles ( making physical appearing illusions change on command ) to get our attention and force our bodies to do things that are out of the ordinary and write and speak things that most of His people have never heard before. I can share miracle stories in this forum but if you didn't observe these miracles yourself, you will be left with no proof that they happened. You will either believe they happened or not believe they happened. And "belief" is NOT proof that our Creator exists.

So why does God reveal himself to you and not the rest of us? That sounds pretty unfair to me.

He only needed to use a few bodies during this age to reveal the Truth. Don't worry, none of us will remember living in this age before we all die in this world.

How is that fair?

Go ask a starving African child what "being fair" is about.

Im not God. Human beings are not God. We cannot snap our fingers and have a thousand different types of edible, perfectly ripe fruit, delivered to every starving children in africa. Human beings are not perfectly just, perfectly fair.

So are you saying that God is unjust and unfair, just like human beings?

He's the Creator of ALL things, not just the good things in this world.

So God is unfair. Okay.
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4/23/2014 8:04:41 PM
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what is a waste of time?

this thread.
: At 4/29/2014 3:14:36 AM, annanicole wrote:

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4/24/2014 10:35:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 1:49:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?

I didn't determine anything. God had His prophets write about the next age after this world is destroyed and forgotten.

Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

What do you determine from these prophecies I shared with you that were written long ago?

The ones you have cited from the OT have all been fulfilled. The NT references refer to the events at the last day and are thus yet future. Your mistake is that you run from the OT to the NT, then back to the OT, then up to the NT with absolute impunity. To you, they are all the same. You aren't alone, however: the Jehovah's Witnesses tend to do the same thing.

Jeremiah 10
10: But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King. At his wrath the earth quakes, and the nations cannot endure his indignation.
11: Thus shall you say to them: "The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens."
12: It is he who made the earth by his power, who established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding stretched out the heavens.
13: When he utters his voice there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightnings for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses.
14: Every man is stupid and without knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols; for his images are false, and there is no breath in them.
15: They are worthless, a work of delusion; at the time of their punishment they shall perish.

If you think the new Heaven and Earth have appeared, then you're absolutely totally deceived by your own interpretations of the prophecies. The new Earth will be radically different that the Earth we're living on today that's full of pollution, wars, killing, religious dogma, selfishness, decay, death, etc.

Most of God's people realize that this isn't the new Heaven and Earth that was promised to His people through the prophecies written by His prophets. A new covenant will exist after this world is destroyed and the old covenant "veil" is gone.

It's obvious that you don't understand this new covenant that ALL God's people will enjoy in the next age.

Jeremiah 31
31: "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32: not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD.
33: But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34: And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Every single Christian is still under the old covenant "veil" as a sinner who can't hear the voice of God or obey any of His commandments like us saints do.

Jer 31: 34 refers to the gospel dispensation, and the very passage is alluded to repeatedly in the NT.

"New heavens and new earth" is a figurative phrase and should be viewed as such.

The trouble with you, Brad, is that you do not really study the Bible at all. You wheel out these prophesies and decide all on your own that they haven't been fulfilled yet. I've never seen you really discuss the Bible on here for one simple reason: you can't discuss it. You do not know enough about it to discuss it.

I don't have to study the Bible, Anna. I am the invisible Word of God where all the original writings by the prophets and saints came from.
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4/24/2014 10:38:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 10:35:56 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 1:49:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?

I didn't determine anything. God had His prophets write about the next age after this world is destroyed and forgotten.

Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

What do you determine from these prophecies I shared with you that were written long ago?

The ones you have cited from the OT have all been fulfilled. The NT references refer to the events at the last day and are thus yet future. Your mistake is that you run from the OT to the NT, then back to the OT, then up to the NT with absolute impunity. To you, they are all the same. You aren't alone, however: the Jehovah's Witnesses tend to do the same thing.

Jeremiah 10
10: But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King. At his wrath the earth quakes, and the nations cannot endure his indignation.
11: Thus shall you say to them: "The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens."
12: It is he who made the earth by his power, who established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding stretched out the heavens.
13: When he utters his voice there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightnings for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses.
14: Every man is stupid and without knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols; for his images are false, and there is no breath in them.
15: They are worthless, a work of delusion; at the time of their punishment they shall perish.

If you think the new Heaven and Earth have appeared, then you're absolutely totally deceived by your own interpretations of the prophecies. The new Earth will be radically different that the Earth we're living on today that's full of pollution, wars, killing, religious dogma, selfishness, decay, death, etc.

Most of God's people realize that this isn't the new Heaven and Earth that was promised to His people through the prophecies written by His prophets. A new covenant will exist after this world is destroyed and the old covenant "veil" is gone.

It's obvious that you don't understand this new covenant that ALL God's people will enjoy in the next age.

Jeremiah 31
31: "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32: not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD.
33: But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34: And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Every single Christian is still under the old covenant "veil" as a sinner who can't hear the voice of God or obey any of His commandments like us saints do.

Jer 31: 34 refers to the gospel dispensation, and the very passage is alluded to repeatedly in the NT.

"New heavens and new earth" is a figurative phrase and should be viewed as such.

The trouble with you, Brad, is that you do not really study the Bible at all. You wheel out these prophesies and decide all on your own that they haven't been fulfilled yet. I've never seen you really discuss the Bible on here for one simple reason: you can't discuss it. You do not know enough about it to discuss it.

I don't have to study the Bible, Anna. I am the invisible Word of God where all the original writings by the prophets and saints came from.

No, you aren't. You have no special knowledge at all. You need to study the Bible like everyone else. You are not "special".
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4/24/2014 10:40:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/23/2014 5:10:15 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/23/2014 5:07:34 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 11:01:15 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:54:18 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 8:57:40 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Proof
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
5. Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.
6. the effect of evidence in convincing the mind.

Is a tree really a tree?

A long time ago, man thought a tree was a hard physical object that when struck with his hand, it would cause his hand to have a painful experience. The proof that the tree was something hard was the physical evidence of pain to his hand after striking the tree with it.

When man used fire to burn the tree into ashes, it was proof that the tree wasn't as hard as the man thought it was. What happened to all that hard wood after it was burned into ashes?

Man began to try figure out why fire burns hard trees into ashes. Their proof was that the hard physical tree was made up of invisible atomic elements that change because of heat.

In the past 100 years or so, man has been trying to prove that the particles they observe in these atomic elements are the hard physical evidence they need to convince themselves that the tree is something real.

In the past few years, a few physicists have proof that these particles are only particles when observed and when they don't observe them, they go back to invisible waves. If this proof is showing us the true existence of a particle, then particles aren't hard physical objects that make up a tree that can cause physical pain to a man's hand as he strikes it.

Quantum particle physicists today are still trying to prove whether or not particles are hard physical objects or invisible waves that form into physical appearing objects when observed. The slit test they use to observe these particles does not work in the way they thought it should. Instead, it proved to them that they were wrong about what a particle is.

When a man called a scientist gets an idea in his mind such as the question of what a particle really is after the slit test proves that he was wrong about particles being solid objects, he tries to get the answer to his question by further testing. Here's their latest proof that particles aren't what they thought they were at one time. Their proof is that there are other particles interacting with the particles that seem to disappear when they're not looking at them.

A theory is a question in the mind of the scientist that causes him to search for the answer. So the theory that a particle is a hard physical object has been proved wrong with the slit test. They know that particles become invisible waves when not observed so this should be enough information to let them know that these particles are only illusions that aren't real, meaning that a tree that man once thought was a hard physical object is now known as an illusion that can only be observed. When not observed, the tree only exists as invisible waves.

So far, we have proof that a tree is not a hard physical object that when struck by a hand, can cause the hand to feel pain. Is pain in a hand that strikes the tree enough proof that the tree is a hard physical object? Not according to these people who don't experience pain; http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Try to prove to these people who can't experience pain that pain is something real. It makes no difference to them what kinds of theories they come up with to explain why they can't feel pain. All they know is that pain doesn't exist for them. They know for a fact that hitting a tree with their hand will not cause them any pain.

Are these people that don't experience pain mentally ill?

Can they prove to anyone that pain is NOT real and it's only an illusion that most people believe in as being real?

Can a man with pain in his head prove that he has pain, other than saying he has pain in his head?

Any man can disclaim a man who can't experience pain with all kinds of theories but do they have physical proof that these people can't experience pain other than by what they say.

If proof is needed to find the truth about something, then our Creator, who calls Himself the Truth, has proved to His people that He truly is invisible. There's absolutely no proof that an invisible Creator exists or that we exist as hard physical objects in a universe that appears to be filled with other hard physical objects. These quantum particle physicists are only seeing illusions and nothing else. They can only observe these particles ( illusions ) but as soon as they aren't observed, they become invisible waves that can't be seen by anyone.

They can call these particles elements, electrons, neutrons, protons, quarks, anti-quarks, baryons, hadrons, mesons, bosons, fermions or whatever but they're only illusions that aren't real. They have no hard physical proof that these particles exist as being the Truth. They can only be observed and that's it.

God knows how to deceive all His people into believing in His illusions that are formed from invisible waves, our true created existence within His thoughts ( mind ).

The only way our invisible Creator can prove to us saints that He exists is by giving us commands to obey and performing miracles ( making physical appearing illusions change on command ) to get our attention and force our bodies to do things that are out of the ordinary and write and speak things that most of His people have never heard before. I can share miracle stories in this forum but if you didn't observe these miracles yourself, you will be left with no proof that they happened. You will either believe they happened or not believe they happened. And "belief" is NOT proof that our Creator exists.

So why does God reveal himself to you and not the rest of us? That sounds pretty unfair to me.

He only needed to use a few bodies during this age to reveal the Truth. Don't worry, none of us will remember living in this age before we all die in this world.

How is that fair?

Go ask a starving African child what "being fair" is about.

Im not God. Human beings are not God. We cannot snap our fingers and have a thousand different types of edible, perfectly ripe fruit, delivered to every starving children in africa. Human beings are not perfectly just, perfectly fair.

So are you saying that God is unjust and unfair, just like human beings?

He's the Creator of ALL things, not just the good things in this world.

So God is unfair. Okay.

Put it this way, He's much more radical then what the Christian group says abou
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4/24/2014 10:43:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 10:38:38 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:35:56 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 1:49:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?

I didn't determine anything. God had His prophets write about the next age after this world is destroyed and forgotten.

Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

What do you determine from these prophecies I shared with you that were written long ago?

The ones you have cited from the OT have all been fulfilled. The NT references refer to the events at the last day and are thus yet future. Your mistake is that you run from the OT to the NT, then back to the OT, then up to the NT with absolute impunity. To you, they are all the same. You aren't alone, however: the Jehovah's Witnesses tend to do the same thing.

Jeremiah 10
10: But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King. At his wrath the earth quakes, and the nations cannot endure his indignation.
11: Thus shall you say to them: "The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens."
12: It is he who made the earth by his power, who established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding stretched out the heavens.
13: When he utters his voice there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightnings for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses.
14: Every man is stupid and without knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols; for his images are false, and there is no breath in them.
15: They are worthless, a work of delusion; at the time of their punishment they shall perish.

If you think the new Heaven and Earth have appeared, then you're absolutely totally deceived by your own interpretations of the prophecies. The new Earth will be radically different that the Earth we're living on today that's full of pollution, wars, killing, religious dogma, selfishness, decay, death, etc.

Most of God's people realize that this isn't the new Heaven and Earth that was promised to His people through the prophecies written by His prophets. A new covenant will exist after this world is destroyed and the old covenant "veil" is gone.

It's obvious that you don't understand this new covenant that ALL God's people will enjoy in the next age.

Jeremiah 31
31: "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32: not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD.
33: But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34: And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Every single Christian is still under the old covenant "veil" as a sinner who can't hear the voice of God or obey any of His commandments like us saints do.

Jer 31: 34 refers to the gospel dispensation, and the very passage is alluded to repeatedly in the NT.

"New heavens and new earth" is a figurative phrase and should be viewed as such.

The trouble with you, Brad, is that you do not really study the Bible at all. You wheel out these prophesies and decide all on your own that they haven't been fulfilled yet. I've never seen you really discuss the Bible on here for one simple reason: you can't discuss it. You do not know enough about it to discuss it.

I don't have to study the Bible, Anna. I am the invisible Word of God where all the original writings by the prophets and saints came from.

No, you aren't. You have no special knowledge at all. You need to study the Bible like everyone else. You are not "special".

I'm the last saint of the Lord's, which is only an illusion that will perish soon. But my invisible created existence within the mind of our Lord is His voice. This is why I know the past, present and future. You disagree because you don't have the knowledge to know who I AM.
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4/24/2014 10:47:20 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 10:43:16 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:38:38 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:35:56 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 1:49:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?

I didn't determine anything. God had His prophets write about the next age after this world is destroyed and forgotten.

Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

What do you determine from these prophecies I shared with you that were written long ago?

The ones you have cited from the OT have all been fulfilled. The NT references refer to the events at the last day and are thus yet future. Your mistake is that you run from the OT to the NT, then back to the OT, then up to the NT with absolute impunity. To you, they are all the same. You aren't alone, however: the Jehovah's Witnesses tend to do the same thing.

Jeremiah 10
10: But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King. At his wrath the earth quakes, and the nations cannot endure his indignation.

15: They are worthless, a work of delusion; at the time of their punishment they shall perish.

If you think the new Heaven and Earth have appeared, then you're absolutely totally deceived by your own interpretations of the prophecies. The new Earth will be radically different that the Earth we're living on today that's full of pollution, wars, killing, religious dogma, selfishness, decay, death, etc.

Most of God's people realize that this isn't the new Heaven and Earth that was promised to His people through the prophecies written by His prophets. A new covenant will exist after this world is destroyed and the old covenant "veil" is gone.

It's obvious that you don't understand this new covenant that ALL God's people will enjoy in the next age.

Jeremiah 31
31: "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32: not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD.
33: But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34: And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Every single Christian is still under the old covenant "veil" as a sinner who can't hear the voice of God or obey any of His commandments like us saints do.

Jer 31: 34 refers to the gospel dispensation, and the very passage is alluded to repeatedly in the NT.

"New heavens and new earth" is a figurative phrase and should be viewed as such.

The trouble with you, Brad, is that you do not really study the Bible at all. You wheel out these prophesies and decide all on your own that they haven't been fulfilled yet. I've never seen you really discuss the Bible on here for one simple reason: you can't discuss it. You do not know enough about it to discuss it.

I don't have to study the Bible, Anna. I am the invisible Word of God where all the original writings by the prophets and saints came from.

No, you aren't. You have no special knowledge at all. You need to study the Bible like everyone else. You are not "special".

I'm the last saint of the Lord's, which is only an illusion that will perish soon. But my invisible created existence within the mind of our Lord is His voice. This is why I know the past, present and future. You disagree because you don't have the knowledge to know who I AM.

I know who YOU AREN'T - and I know what you are: you are a schizophrenic who will not take his medicine and would avoid doctors at all costs. You live an illusion and a delusion. You scarcely know the past, because the past is revealed in the Bible, and you are a pretender who can't perform a single miracle as all the other true prophets of God could.
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4/24/2014 12:02:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 10:47:20 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:43:16 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:38:38 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:35:56 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 1:49:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?



"New heavens and new earth" is a figurative phrase and should be viewed as such.

The trouble with you, Brad, is that you do not really study the Bible at all. You wheel out these prophesies and decide all on your own that they haven't been fulfilled yet. I've never seen you really discuss the Bible on here for one simple reason: you can't discuss it. You do not know enough about it to discuss it.

I don't have to study the Bible, Anna. I am the invisible Word of God where all the original writings by the prophets and saints came from.

No, you aren't. You have no special knowledge at all. You need to study the Bible like everyone else. You are not "special".

I'm the last saint of the Lord's, which is only an illusion that will perish soon. But my invisible created existence within the mind of our Lord is His voice. This is why I know the past, present and future. You disagree because you don't have the knowledge to know who I AM.

I know who YOU AREN'T - and I know what you are: you are a schizophrenic who will not take his medicine and would avoid doctors at all costs. You live an illusion and a delusion. You scarcely know the past, because the past is revealed in the Bible, and you are a pretender who can't perform a single miracle as all the other true prophets of God could.

If you believe you can receive the invisible knowledge of God by reading a book, then you're greatly deceived of the invisible Truth.

John 5
37: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen;
38: and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent.
39: You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
40: yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.
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4/24/2014 12:10:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 12:02:42 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:47:20 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:43:16 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:38:38 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:35:56 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 1:49:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?



"New heavens and new earth" is a figurative phrase and should be viewed as such.

The trouble with you, Brad, is that you do not really study the Bible at all. You wheel out these prophesies and decide all on your own that they haven't been fulfilled yet. I've never seen you really discuss the Bible on here for one simple reason: you can't discuss it. You do not know enough about it to discuss it.

I don't have to study the Bible, Anna. I am the invisible Word of God where all the original writings by the prophets and saints came from.

No, you aren't. You have no special knowledge at all. You need to study the Bible like everyone else. You are not "special".

I'm the last saint of the Lord's, which is only an illusion that will perish soon. But my invisible created existence within the mind of our Lord is His voice. This is why I know the past, present and future. You disagree because you don't have the knowledge to know who I AM.

I know who YOU AREN'T - and I know what you are: you are a schizophrenic who will not take his medicine and would avoid doctors at all costs. You live an illusion and a delusion. You scarcely know the past, because the past is revealed in the Bible, and you are a pretender who can't perform a single miracle as all the other true prophets of God could.

If you believe you can receive the invisible knowledge of God by reading a book, then you're greatly deceived of the invisible Truth.

John 5
37: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen;
38: and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent.
39: You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
40: yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

And to which "scriptures" is Jesus referring?

If a person refuses to come to Jesus, what happens?

What would be a reason, the reason, for coming to Jesus?

Do the "scriptures" bear witness to Jesus?
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4/24/2014 3:23:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 12:10:16 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 12:02:42 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:47:20 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:43:16 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:38:38 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:35:56 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 1:49:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?



"New heavens and new earth" is a figurative phrase and should be viewed as such.

The trouble with you, Brad, is that you do not really study the Bible at all. You wheel out these prophesies and decide all on your own that they haven't been fulfilled yet. I've never seen you really discuss the Bible on here for one simple reason: you can't discuss it. You do not know enough about it to discuss it.

I don't have to study the Bible, Anna. I am the invisible Word of God where all the original writings by the prophets and saints came from.

No, you aren't. You have no special knowledge at all. You need to study the Bible like everyone else. You are not "special".

I'm the last saint of the Lord's, which is only an illusion that will perish soon. But my invisible created existence within the mind of our Lord is His voice. This is why I know the past, present and future. You disagree because you don't have the knowledge to know who I AM.

I know who YOU AREN'T - and I know what you are: you are a schizophrenic who will not take his medicine and would avoid doctors at all costs. You live an illusion and a delusion. You scarcely know the past, because the past is revealed in the Bible, and you are a pretender who can't perform a single miracle as all the other true prophets of God could.

If you believe you can receive the invisible knowledge of God by reading a book, then you're greatly deceived of the invisible Truth.

John 5
37: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen;
38: and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent.
39: You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
40: yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

And to which "scriptures" is Jesus referring?

If a person refuses to come to Jesus, what happens?

What would be a reason, the reason, for coming to Jesus?

Do the "scriptures" bear witness to Jesus?

The scriptures bear witness to MY Voice, your Creator through illusions called prophets and saints. I AM the KING and SAVIOR of ALL MY people. You cannot see ME but you see the flesh called saints as they speak for ME.

John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

The flesh is of no avail because we saints know that the flesh are only illusions that aren't real. What we speak comes from the mind of our Creator where His creation exists for ever and ever.
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4/24/2014 3:56:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 3:23:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 12:10:16 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 12:02:42 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:47:20 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:43:16 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:38:38 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:35:56 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 1:49:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?



"New heavens and new earth" is a figurative phrase and should be viewed as such.

The trouble with you, Brad, is that you do not really study the Bible at all. You wheel out these prophesies and decide all on your own that they haven't been fulfilled yet. I've never seen you really discuss the Bible on here for one simple reason: you can't discuss it. You do not know enough about it to discuss it.

I don't have to study the Bible, Anna. I am the invisible Word of God where all the original writings by the prophets and saints came from.

No, you aren't. You have no special knowledge at all. You need to study the Bible like everyone else. You are not "special".

I'm the last saint of the Lord's, which is only an illusion that will perish soon. But my invisible created existence within the mind of our Lord is His voice. This is why I know the past, present and future. You disagree because you don't have the knowledge to know who I AM.

I know who YOU AREN'T - and I know what you are: you are a schizophrenic who will not take his medicine and would avoid doctors at all costs. You live an illusion and a delusion. You scarcely know the past, because the past is revealed in the Bible, and you are a pretender who can't perform a single miracle as all the other true prophets of God could.

If you believe you can receive the invisible knowledge of God by reading a book, then you're greatly deceived of the invisible Truth.

John 5
37: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen;
38: and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent.
39: You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
40: yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

And to which "scriptures" is Jesus referring?

If a person refuses to come to Jesus, what happens?

What would be a reason, the reason, for coming to Jesus?

Do the "scriptures" bear witness to Jesus?

The scriptures bear witness to MY Voice, your Creator through illusions called prophets and saints. I AM the KING and SAVIOR of ALL MY people. You cannot see ME but you see the flesh called saints as they speak for ME.

John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

The flesh is of no avail because we saints know that the flesh are only illusions that aren't real. What we speak comes from the mind of our Creator where His creation exists for ever and ever.

Let's observe the questions:

"To which 'scriptures' is Jesus referring?"

"Saint Brad" Holkesvig doesn't know. "Saint Brad" didn't even attempt a hint of an answer, did he?

"If a person refuses to come to Jesus, what happens?"

Does anybody see any attempt at an answer by "Saint Brad"? Of course not! He just rambles. How the boy ever made it past 5th or 6th grade, I'll never know.

"What would be a reason, the reason, for coming to Jesus?"

You know, tardo rambled through a few nonsensical sentences and never even typed the word "Jesus"! That's strange, isn't it? Every question contains the word "Jesus" but "Saint Brad", when replying, doesn't type the word ONCE.

"Do the "scriptures" bear witness to Jesus?"

That seems to me to be a "yes" or "no" question. Do they or not? Schizo Brad skips over Jesus and says the scriptures bear witness to ... who? ... Brad.

Notice the following:

How many times did "Saint Brad" allude to Jesus in his answer? ZERO

How many times did "Saint Brad" allude to himself? SIX!

You see, with these schizophrenics, it's all about them. Always. "Saint Brad" is a classic example. He'll mention HIMSELF twenty times for every one time he mentions JESUS CHRIST. When asked very specific questions, he doesn't answer. To the contrary, he turns it into an opportunity to point the conversation back to himself.

That's pathetic, Brad. Just pathetic. You didn't answer a single question, but hey, you met everyone's expections: you made a zero!
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4/24/2014 4:18:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 3:56:03 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 3:23:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 12:10:16 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 12:02:42 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:47:20 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:43:16 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:38:38 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:35:56 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 1:49:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?



"New heavens and new earth" is a figurative phrase and should be viewed as such.

The trouble with you, Brad, is that you do not really study the Bible at all. You wheel out these prophesies and decide all on your own that they haven't been fulfilled yet. I've never seen you really discuss the Bible on here for one simple reason: you can't discuss it. You do not know enough about it to discuss it.

I don't have to study the Bible, Anna. I am the invisible Word of God where all the original writings by the prophets and saints came from.

No, you aren't. You have no special knowledge at all. You need to study the Bible like everyone else. You are not "special".

I'm the last saint of the Lord's, which is only an illusion that will perish soon. But my invisible created existence within the mind of our Lord is His voice. This is why I know the past, present and future. You disagree because you don't have the knowledge to know who I AM.

I know who YOU AREN'T - and I know what you are: you are a schizophrenic who will not take his medicine and would avoid doctors at all costs. You live an illusion and a delusion. You scarcely know the past, because the past is revealed in the Bible, and you are a pretender who can't perform a single miracle as all the other true prophets of God could.

If you believe you can receive the invisible knowledge of God by reading a book, then you're greatly deceived of the invisible Truth.

John 5
37: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen;
38: and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent.
39: You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
40: yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

And to which "scriptures" is Jesus referring?

If a person refuses to come to Jesus, what happens?

What would be a reason, the reason, for coming to Jesus?

Do the "scriptures" bear witness to Jesus?

The scriptures bear witness to MY Voice, your Creator through illusions called prophets and saints. I AM the KING and SAVIOR of ALL MY people. You cannot see ME but you see the flesh called saints as they speak for ME.

John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

The flesh is of no avail because we saints know that the flesh are only illusions that aren't real. What we speak comes from the mind of our Creator where His creation exists for ever and ever.

Let's observe the questions:

"To which 'scriptures' is Jesus referring?"

"Saint Brad" Holkesvig doesn't know. "Saint Brad" didn't even attempt a hint of an answer, did he?

"If a person refuses to come to Jesus, what happens?"

Does anybody see any attempt at an answer by "Saint Brad"? Of course not! He just rambles. How the boy ever made it past 5th or 6th grade, I'll never know.

"What would be a reason, the reason, for coming to Jesus?"

You know, tardo rambled through a few nonsensical sentences and never even typed the word "Jesus"! That's strange, isn't it? Every question contains the word "Jesus" but "Saint Brad", when replying, doesn't type the word ONCE.

"Do the "scriptures" bear witness to Jesus?"

That seems to me to be a "yes" or "no" question. Do they or not? Schizo Brad skips over Jesus and says the scriptures bear witness to ... who? ... Brad.

Notice the following:

How many times did "Saint Brad" allude to Jesus in his answer? ZERO

How many times did "Saint Brad" allude to himself? SIX!

You see, with these schizophrenics, it's all about them. Always. "Saint Brad" is a classic example. He'll mention HIMSELF twenty times for every one time he mentions JESUS CHRIST. When asked very specific questions, he doesn't answer. To the contrary, he turns it into an opportunity to point the conversation back to himself.

That's pathetic, Brad. Just pathetic. You didn't answer a single question, but hey, you met everyone's expections: you made a zero!

I gave you an answer to who the scriptures are about but you don't believe our Creator. You only believe in your own interpretations of the prophecies that no Christians can interpret.

God only uses His invisible servant through illusions called saints to read the prophecies for Him so that He can interpret them. His invisible servant is the invisible Word, or Voice, also known as the gospel that we saints preach to believers who listen to us.

1 John 4
4: Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
5: They are of the world, therefore what they say is of the world, and the world listens to them.
6: We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
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4/24/2014 4:38:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 4:18:06 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 3:56:03 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 3:23:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 12:10:16 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 12:02:42 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:47:20 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:43:16 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:38:38 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/24/2014 10:35:56 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 1:49:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/23/2014 10:53:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/23/2014 12:50:27 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 10:38:22 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:25:56 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/22/2014 8:05:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 4/20/2014 11:35:33 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 4/20/2014 3:31:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

And you have determined that that is yet future?



"New heavens and new earth" is a figurative phrase and should be viewed as such.

The trouble with you, Brad, is that you do not really study the Bible at all. You wheel out these prophesies and decide all on your own that they haven't been fulfilled yet. I've never seen you really discuss the Bible on here for one simple reason: you can't discuss it. You do not know enough about it to discuss it.

I don't have to study the Bible, Anna. I am the invisible Word of God where all the original writings by the prophets and saints came from.

No, you aren't. You have no special knowledge at all. You need to study the Bible like everyone else. You are not "special".

I'm the last saint of the Lord's, which is only an illusion that will perish soon. But my invisible created existence within the mind of our Lord is His voice. This is why I know the past, present and future. You disagree because you don't have the knowledge to know who I AM.

I know who YOU AREN'T - and I know what you are: you are a schizophrenic who will not take his medicine and would avoid doctors at all costs. You live an illusion and a delusion. You scarcely know the past, because the past is revealed in the Bible, and you are a pretender who can't perform a single miracle as all the other true prophets of God could.

If you believe you can receive the invisible knowledge of God by reading a book, then you're greatly deceived of the invisible Truth.

John 5
37: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen;
38: and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent.
39: You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
40: yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

And to which "scriptures" is Jesus referring?

If a person refuses to come to Jesus, what happens?

What would be a reason, the reason, for coming to Jesus?

Do the "scriptures" bear witness to Jesus?

The scriptures bear witness to MY Voice, your Creator through illusions called prophets and saints. I AM the KING and SAVIOR of ALL MY people. You cannot see ME but you see the flesh called saints as they speak for ME.

John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

The flesh is of no avail because we saints know that the flesh are only illusions that aren't real. What we speak comes from the mind of our Creator where His creation exists for ever and ever.

Let's observe the questions:

"To which 'scriptures' is Jesus referring?"

"Saint Brad" Holkesvig doesn't know. "Saint Brad" didn't even attempt a hint of an answer, did he?

"If a person refuses to come to Jesus, what happens?"

Does anybody see any attempt at an answer by "Saint Brad"? Of course not! He just rambles. How the boy ever made it past 5th or 6th grade, I'll never know.

"What would be a reason, the reason, for coming to Jesus?"

You know, tardo rambled through a few nonsensical sentences and never even typed the word "Jesus"! That's strange, isn't it? Every question contains the word "Jesus" but "Saint Brad", when replying, doesn't type the word ONCE.

"Do the "scriptures" bear witness to Jesus?"

That seems to me to be a "yes" or "no" question. Do they or not? Schizo Brad skips over Jesus and says the scriptures bear witness to ... who? ... Brad.

Notice the following:

How many times did "Saint Brad" allude to Jesus in his answer? ZERO

How many times did "Saint Brad" allude to himself? SIX!

You see, with these schizophrenics, it's all about them. Always. "Saint Brad" is a classic example. He'll mention HIMSELF twenty times for every one time he mentions JESUS CHRIST. When asked very specific questions, he doesn't answer. To the contrary, he turns it into an opportunity to point the conversation back to himself.

That's pathetic, Brad. Just pathetic. You didn't answer a single question, but hey, you met everyone's expections: you made a zero!

I gave you an answer to who the scriptures are about but you don't believe our Creator. You only believe in your own interpretations of the prophecies that no Christians can interpret.

Really? I didn't see your answer. Thus I'll give the passage and ask it again:

"Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life; and these are they which bear witness of me; and ye will not come to me, that ye may have life." (John 5: 39-40)

Who spoke those words?
To which scriptures is He referring?
Must a person come to Jesus in order to have life?
Of whom does the passage say that the scriptures bear witness?

Brad, you can't answer them. You view them as an opportunity to ramble. You once said, "I will answer any question that is answerable", but you trap your own self in a lie every time someone asks you a question.

You see the questions. Four of them. You see the passage. All you have to do is simply copy each question, and then give your answer to that question right under it. What's difficult about that?

Now those are easy questions. They do not really require much "interpretation".
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