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rroberts
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4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?
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4/21/2014 8:51:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM, rroberts wrote:
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?

It is so blatantly clear that the Christian's are not the first or only people to use this line of miracle powers, but yet they want the rest of the world to believe it is exclusive to them.

I don't know why but it makes me very sad.

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4/21/2014 9:04:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM, rroberts wrote:
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?



Was Horus a human being in the flesh with pre historic documents that can prove that at some point he existed? What about Yeshua of Nazareth, Yeshua sin Yoseph, or Yeshua Christo?
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4/21/2014 9:15:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
You don't think it significant that things like the flood & ark are lifted straight from the Epic of Gilgamesh or that much of the story of Jesus is almost word-for-word constructed from ancient Greek, Egyptian and other regional cultures' pre-existing mythology? I really don't see how the existence of a bloke called Jesus has anything to do with either supporting miraculous claims attributed to him or the charge that such claims were already common currency in the region and not in the least bit original.
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4/21/2014 9:52:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/21/2014 9:04:37 AM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM, rroberts wrote:
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?



Was Horus a human being in the flesh with pre historic documents that can prove that at some point he existed? What about Yeshua of Nazareth, Yeshua sin Yoseph, or Yeshua Christo?

Show me an unbiased documents, that support the existence of Jesus.
ChristianPunk
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4/21/2014 12:57:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/21/2014 9:52:37 AM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/21/2014 9:04:37 AM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM, rroberts wrote:
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?



Was Horus a human being in the flesh with pre historic documents that can prove that at some point he existed? What about Yeshua of Nazareth, Yeshua sin Yoseph, or Yeshua Christo?

Show me an unbiased documents, that support the existence of Jesus.

Look up Tacitus.
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4/21/2014 1:47:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM, rroberts wrote:
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?


This is where skepticism of the skeptic plays in. The problem is that many take these Jesus Copy Cat Myths as fact. The fact is....this is where skepticism is highly needed. The wild claims of copying pagan myths themselves.

While I don't know the details on all of those proposed myths, a typical example of false mythology would be that of Dionysus. He was the god of wine. But....when did he turn water into wine?

Vespasian of course lived after Christ. So any myth may have evolved out of Christ's miracles

The stories of Apollonius were written after Christ's crucifixion.

Romulus by the way, was not born of a virgin birth. Much like the other alleged virgin births like Horus, they involve sexual intercourse.

There's a trick to the skeptical trade (aside from flat out fabrication like that of the Jesus-Horus comparison).

For one, any mythological deity is going to have common supernatural abilities. It's not unlikely for a deity to come back from the dead. However, coming back to life is not the same thing as a resurrection. And so consequently, one of the tricks skeptics will use is to use the word resurrection whenever a mythological character comes back to life.

Mythological deities will often have followers. Again, the trick of the trade is to describe the followers as disciples even when the term disciples is never used to describe the followers.

Mythological deities will usually have supernatural powers. And often the word magic is used to describe the supernatural acts. The trick of the trade is to replace the word magic with miracles. And of course an added irony is that when referring to the supernatural acts of Jesus, magic seems to (magically) become the choice word.

Whenever someone makes a claim that Jesus is actually any given mythological character, check their response to another claim that Jesus is a copy of Julius Caesar. If they respond positively to that proposal, ask them if Jesus is a copy of earlier myths, where does that leave Julius Caesar?
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4/21/2014 3:32:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
You make a good point, rroberts. That's why I think the Titanic was a myth. Everybody knows the Titan was fiction, but look at all the similarities between the Titan and the Titanic.

Both were triple screw (propeller)

Both were described as "unsinkable"

Both had a shortage of lifeboats

Both struck an iceberg

Both sank.

The Titanic sank, and more than half of her 2200 passengers and crew died.
The Titan also sank, and more than half of her 2500 passengers drowned.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

If the Titan was fiction, then so was the Titanic.
"Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle

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4/21/2014 4:06:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM, rroberts wrote:
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?



I wonder if you would call it clarification or more misinformation? I know most would call it the latter, but the two scriptures that came to mind when I read your question were:

1 Corinthains 11:14, 15
14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works.

and

Matthew 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone saying to me, "Lord, Lord," will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?" 23 And then I will declare to them: "I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!"

They were rapidly followed by the stories of Moses going to Pharaoh and performing signs but having those signs closely matched by Janes and Jambres.

Exodus 7

So what you may ask is the connection?

What most people refuse to recognise is that whilst God is the supreme power, and the source of supreme power, the angels all have power also. They are all powerful spirit creatures, one Angel killed thousands of men in one night to protect Israel.

Satan was also such a powerful angle, and whilst God has restricted his power he has not removed it completely, to do so would defeat the object of allowng Satan the opportunity to porove his challenge.

That means that just as God could empower Jesus to perform miracles, so can Satan empower those who follow him to do the same or similar..

Think about that, and then think about the two scriptures quoted above and also about Exodus 7, and you will realise why scripture warns us about counterfeits, copies, coming from the wrong source.

That means that as far as I am concerned, and as far as scripture is concerned those "myths" were probably as real as were those performed by Jesus except that they were counterfeits, like those of Janes and Jambres, performed at Satan's behest to confuse and distract.

Most people, even amongst those professing to be Christian are actually scared to admit that Satan has the power he has. All that proves is how little faith they have in the protection that God can give us if we ask.

It all reminds me of a very human saying, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself", and with God on our side that is so very true.
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4/21/2014 4:50:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/21/2014 9:52:37 AM, s-anthony wrote:
At 4/21/2014 9:04:37 AM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM, rroberts wrote:
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?



Was Horus a human being in the flesh with pre historic documents that can prove that at some point he existed? What about Yeshua of Nazareth, Yeshua sin Yoseph, or Yeshua Christo?

Show me an unbiased documents, that support the existence of Jesus.

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4/22/2014 12:08:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM, rroberts wrote:
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?
I believe you have made a few mistakes in some of your examples.

Strictly speaking, Vespasian"s spittle itself was not what healed a blind man. The blind man, supposedly, was promised by Serapis that if Vespasian would consent to spit in his eye, he would be cured. This is what supposedly took place:

"2 Vespasian as yet lacked prestige and a certain divinity, so to speak, since he was an unexpected and still new-made emperor; but these also were given him. A man of the people who was blind, and another who was lame, came to him together as he sat on the tribunal, begging for the help for their disorders which Serapis had promised in a dream; for the god declared that Vespasian would restore the eyes, if he would spit upon them, and give strength to the leg, if he would deign to touch it with his heel. 3 Though he had hardly any faith that this could possibly succeed, and therefore shrank even from making the attempt, he was at last prevailed upon by his friends and tried both things in public before a large crowd; and with success."
- Suetonius, The Twelve Caesars, Life of Vespasian, 8.7

Since Vespasian was referred to as "newly-made" emperor and this reportedly took place in Egypt, it would have been somewhere between mid-69 and mid-70 AD. By this time a large amount of the New Testament was already written.

Dionysius invented wine as a man, to my knowledge. He never turned water into wine. Also, Dionysus was "twice-born". He wasn't the Son of God; he was a son of a god. You must keep in mind Zeus seemed to have a child with every virgin princess in the book.

The rest I can only conglomerate into a disjointed series of short paragraphs, but the gist is the only one I have no problem with your summary of is Romulus. Apollonius Tyrana reportedly might have raised a girl from the dead or a death-like appearance. This is recorded from a biographer with motivations for embellishment. The prophecies from the Oracle of Delphi are so ambiguous it seems to have to be intentional.

In ancient times there was debate on the interpretation of a vision Alexander the Great's mother had. One of these interpretations is that Zeus was his father. To my knowledge, it was actually Phillip II of Macedon.

Caesar Augustus was the posthumous adopted son of his maternal great-uncle, Julius Caesar. When the Senate deified Caesar after his death, Augustus would logically be the son of a god.

Scipio Africanus was also born of a mortal man (Publius Cornelius Scipio).

Honestly, I find most the similarities between Jesus and other animistic religions to either be very superficial, ambiguous, made after the time of Jesus, or false.

At 4/21/2014 9:52:37 AM, s-anthony wrote:
Show me an unbiased documents, that support the existence of Jesus.
From the top of my head I can think of Suetonius, Tacitus, Josephus (with three distinct, discernible, and identified additions by early Christians), Celsus, Pliny the Younger, and Lucian of Samosata (sort of) wrote about Jesus Christ.
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4/22/2014 12:16:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 12:08:51 AM, E_Pluribus_Unum wrote:
This is recorded from a biographer with motivations for embellishment. The prophecies from the Oracle of Delphi are so ambiguous it seems to have to be intentional.

Perhaps two unintentionally enlightening sentences. Don't you think?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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4/22/2014 7:18:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/21/2014 3:32:54 PM, philochristos wrote:
You make a good point, rroberts. That's why I think the Titanic was a myth. Everybody knows the Titan was fiction, but look at all the similarities between the Titan and the Titanic.

Both were triple screw (propeller)

Both were described as "unsinkable"

Both had a shortage of lifeboats

Both struck an iceberg

Both sank.

The Titanic sank, and more than half of her 2200 passengers and crew died.
The Titan also sank, and more than half of her 2500 passengers drowned.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

If the Titan was fiction, then so was the Titanic.
And this is why I'm thoroughly convinced that Abraham Lincoln and/or John F. Kennedy are myths. Far too many happenstance coincidences.
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4/24/2014 4:54:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM, rroberts wrote:
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?


Your claims are about 150 years old, and have been conclusively refuted.
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4/24/2014 6:28:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 4:54:00 AM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM, rroberts wrote:
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?


Your claims are about 150 years old, and have been conclusively refuted.

Yours are 2500yrs old and have been even more conclusively refuted.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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4/24/2014 7:16:20 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/24/2014 6:28:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/24/2014 4:54:00 AM, andymcstab wrote:
At 4/21/2014 8:43:34 AM, rroberts wrote:
If you have studied ancient Pagan religions at a college level, you no doubt found they believed in Divinity, with miraculous powers, coming down and going up to their home in the sky. These divine beings cared about people, listened to and answered their prayers, gave them the power to prophesy. Even gave them a reward in the eternal life that comes after death. We are taught that is all myth. Some other specific examples from ancient writings:

When Vespasian's spittle healed a blind man, we are told that is a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we are told that is a myth.

When Pythias , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, over and over again and the prophecies came true, we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we are told that is a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we are told that is a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we are told that is a myth.

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

When Scipio Africanus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we are told that is a myth.

Then when Jesus is described as,

The Son of God,
Born of a mortal woman,
According to prophecy,
Turned water into wine,
Raised people from the dead
Healed blind men with his spittle
Etc.
Etc.

Why are we told that is not all a myth? It would seem that Jesus and the stories about him are no different than those ideas from the Pagan cultures from which the ideas first sprang. Any clarification here?


Your claims are about 150 years old, and have been conclusively refuted.

Yours are 2500yrs old and have been even more conclusively refuted.

It's funny you think that claims about Jesus' life are 2500 years old given that Jesus lived only 2000 years ago.