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chass23RN
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4/22/2014 6:25:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I would like to know those who do not believe in God or creation what is your proof this is not true. Please do not use what is in a science book as a example but what you have personally seen. touched, felt, heard ect... As Christians we prove why we believe in God usually from what we feel, what we have witnessed in others, changes in our lives once saved, the complex history, the bible, prophesies and so forth...So my question is what have you out there witnessed personally or been strongly connected with to prove no God, no creation? just curious
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4/22/2014 6:27:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 6:25:04 PM, chass23RN wrote:
I would like to know those who do not believe in God or creation what is your proof this is not true. Please do not use what is in a science book as a example but what you have personally seen. touched, felt, heard ect... As Christians we prove why we believe in God usually from what we feel, what we have witnessed in others, changes in our lives once saved, the complex history, the bible, prophesies and so forth...So my question is what have you out there witnessed personally or been strongly connected with to prove no God, no creation? just curious

Contradictions

With:

1. Science
2. Other mutually exclusive religions
3. Itself, and its own holy texts
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chass23RN
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4/22/2014 6:42:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 6:27:56 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 4/22/2014 6:25:04 PM, chass23RN wrote:
I would like to know those who do not believe in God or creation what is your proof this is not true. Please do not use what is in a science book as a example but what you have personally seen. touched, felt, heard ect... As Christians we prove why we believe in God usually from what we feel, what we have witnessed in others, changes in our lives once saved, the complex history, the bible, prophesies and so forth...So my question is what have you out there witnessed personally or been strongly connected with to prove no God, no creation? just curious

Contradictions

With:

1. Science
2. Other mutually exclusive religions
3. Itself, and its own holy texts

Have you ever experienced anything in your lifetime personally that makes you say "wow there really is no God" other than your views on Christianity its self. For a example as a Christian there has been times in my life were i have witnessed something or had a very strong deep connection and revelation that God is real. Does this happen to people who do not believe? It seems like people who do not believe base this from how they view Christianity but is there anything else that goes a little deeper.
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4/22/2014 6:43:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
How can someone experience a deep experience of something not being there when they never experienced it being there in the first place?
chass23RN
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4/22/2014 7:02:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 6:43:37 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
How can someone experience a deep experience of something not being there when they never experienced it being there in the first place?

Forget what someones feels what about what you have seen with your own eyes or touched with your own hands that compels you to believe in what you believe?
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4/22/2014 7:04:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 7:02:57 PM, chass23RN wrote:
At 4/22/2014 6:43:37 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
How can someone experience a deep experience of something not being there when they never experienced it being there in the first place?

Forget what someones feels what about what you have seen with your own eyes or touched with your own hands that compels you to believe in what you believe?

I disbelieve because I have never seen or touched anything that leads me to believe. Hence atheism.
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4/22/2014 7:09:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
And also, I said nothing about 'feels'; I said 'experienced' and did so for a reason.
chass23RN
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4/22/2014 7:19:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 7:04:16 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 4/22/2014 7:02:57 PM, chass23RN wrote:
At 4/22/2014 6:43:37 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
How can someone experience a deep experience of something not being there when they never experienced it being there in the first place?

Forget what someones feels what about what you have seen with your own eyes or touched with your own hands that compels you to believe in what you believe?

I disbelieve because I have never seen or touched anything that leads me to believe. Hence atheism.

Well i would never say im something based on what someone else is doing or not doing. You wont admit it but you do feel connected to your beliefs of atheism or you wouldn't be on a web site talking about it. If there is nothing there why waste your time defending it. Atheism is just as much as a religion as all the others except Atheist are blind to who they are really serving but anyway thanks for the reply
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4/22/2014 7:23:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 7:21:06 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
Your 'neutral' account finally wore too thin to maintain then, did it?

It isn;t neutral, lol
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4/22/2014 7:25:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 7:21:06 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
Your 'neutral' account finally wore too thin to maintain then, did it?

Nvm I might be mistaken... just checked her history
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4/22/2014 7:38:16 PM
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My proof is that I haven't heard God. God is supposed to be everywhere yet I don't feel his presence or feel any lack by not having him in my life. If he is out there and everywhere at once I should be able to find him easily enough. The usual rebuttal is that God is trying to reach me and I just don't hear him, but if God was trying to do anything I would think he would succeed because he's God, so either isn't trying, in which case why does it matter if I believe in something that I can't perceive and which doesn't care if I do, or he isn't there to begin with.
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4/22/2014 8:09:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 6:25:04 PM, chass23RN wrote:
I would like to know those who do not believe in God or creation what is your proof this is not true. Please do not use what is in a science book as a example but what you have personally seen. touched, felt, heard ect... As Christians we prove why we believe in God usually from what we feel, what we have witnessed in others, changes in our lives once saved, the complex history, the bible, prophesies and so forth...So my question is what have you out there witnessed personally or been strongly connected with to prove no God, no creation? just curious

Not one Christian has ever known our invisible Creator. None of us saints got to know our Creator through feelings. We listened to His voice, our created invisible existence and obeyed all His commands until we learned who we are in Him. Once we know we're created as His voice, we began to speak for HIm for eternity.
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4/23/2014 8:25:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 6:25:04 PM, chass23RN wrote:
I would like to know those who do not believe in God or creation what is your proof this is not true.
well first off, what is the criteria you use to determine which is the one true god as there are many to choose from.

Please do not use what is in a science book as a example but what you have personally seen. touched, felt, heard ect...
the lack of empirical evidence.

As Christians we prove why we believe in God usually from what we feel,
so? that doesn't establish reality

what we have witnessed in others,
i have witnessed unbelievers improve their lives without belief

changes in our lives once saved,
change happens to those that seek it...religious belief is not necessary for this to occur
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4/23/2014 8:44:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 6:25:04 PM, chass23RN wrote:
I would like to know those who do not believe in God or creation what is your proof this is not true. Please do not use what is in a science book as a example but what you have personally seen. touched, felt, heard ect... As Christians we prove why we believe in God usually from what we feel, what we have witnessed in others, changes in our lives once saved, the complex history, the bible, prophesies and so forth...So my question is what have you out there witnessed personally or been strongly connected with to prove no God, no creation? just curious

The burden of proof lies with those who believe in God, not those who do not. Atheists cannot disprove what is yet to be proven. Negativity cannot be proven. On believer's part of proving God, the believer rely mostly on faith and the Bible. Using faith is a fallacy, an absence of reason. While the Bible is indeed part of history, it does not prove that those written words came from God. The information is unfalsifiable or unverifiable.

People maybe amazed on things that happen on earth. The complexity of human brain, the planet earth, and others, there is no clear connection that their complexities prove God. In fact, science has already debunked and explained some of those complexities.

Science is the best tool to prove God because it is really systematic and accurate. History and opinions of people are somehow distorted or affected by the weakness of human brain.

Atheists are not bad. Atheists do not adhere to satanism and demonism. Atheists just love science and logic.
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4/24/2014 12:09:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
If one wants to have faith, one "buys in", and accepts a number of premises at face value. I never even knew that I had done that, though, because it came packaged with my childhood programming. At a certain point in my teens I started to wonder what I actually believed. I wanted to believe, but I needed it to be based on something compelling; something that I could define and verify some compelling, intrinsic, primal meaning that explained everything. I wanted it to be something that worked whether I believed in it or not. I started to ask myself questions like: am I talking to God, or am I just talking to myself? I started trying to peel back the layers of my programming to try to find out what I actually knew, and what my real motives were.

I found that I knew very little. All of the things I thought I knew were just regurgitation of things that I had heard or read. The more I pealed away the layers, the more layers there were. I started to wonder whether there was even a real me, or if I was merely an artificial collage of cultural programming, borrowed ideas, and second hand information. I knew what I was supposed to want, but I didn't know what I wanted. During a period of about 30 years I pursued those questions, first through intensive Bible study, then a period of interest in Eastern religions and meditative contemplation, then a study of Jewish mysticism, followed by Western Hermeticism which led to hard core philosophy and post-modern thought.

At the end of all that I was saturated with knowledge, but I still didn't know anything. Nothing had clicked. I had not discovered the primal meaning I had sought. The meaning that would make faith possible. The core of meaning inside all the layers wasn't there-it was just more and more layers. I started to realize that it didn't matter. I slowly started to accept that it was OK just to say "I don't know." I began to realize that I didn't need faith, or belief, or for there to be some larger meaning to life. So I forgot about all that stuff. I killed all the Buddhas. I quit worrying about the programming. It's there. I can't do anything about.

I found that there was profound meaning in the quest to perfect my work, in parenting my children, in having fun, helping others, and just enjoying life. So now I don't need morals- I have ethics, I don't need faith- I have my own thoughts to entertain me, I don't need an after-life- I have this life. I don't like the label "atheist". I am nothing. I have no affiliation. I don't need to decide- it's irrelevant.
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4/24/2014 9:15:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 6:42:07 PM, chass23RN wrote:
At 4/22/2014 6:27:56 PM, Sswdwm wrote:
At 4/22/2014 6:25:04 PM, chass23RN wrote:
I would like to know those who do not believe in God or creation what is your proof this is not true. Please do not use what is in a science book as a example but what you have personally seen. touched, felt, heard ect... As Christians we prove why we believe in God usually from what we feel, what we have witnessed in others, changes in our lives once saved, the complex history, the bible, prophesies and so forth...So my question is what have you out there witnessed personally or been strongly connected with to prove no God, no creation? just curious

Contradictions

With:

1. Science
2. Other mutually exclusive religions
3. Itself, and its own holy texts

Have you ever experienced anything in your lifetime personally that makes you say "wow there really is no God" other than your views on Christianity its self. For a example as a Christian there has been times in my life were i have witnessed something or had a very strong deep connection and revelation that God is real. Does this happen to people who do not believe? It seems like people who do not believe base this from how they view Christianity but is there anything else that goes a little deeper.

No, I have never experienced any singular event in my lifetime personally that made me say "Wow, there really is no God".

But I also have not experienced any singular event in my lifetime personally that made me say "Wow, there are no faeries".

The belief that something does not exist, is not necessarily tied to an experience. Ive never had an experience that made me say "Wow, There is no Lockness monster", or "Wow, there is no bigfoot".
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4/25/2014 1:25:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I have had personal experiences where I say "Wow there aren't any intelligent christians". But upon reflection realise that I must have misinterpreted the experience.
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4/25/2014 4:37:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/22/2014 7:19:26 PM, chass23RN wrote:
At 4/22/2014 7:04:16 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 4/22/2014 7:02:57 PM, chass23RN wrote:
At 4/22/2014 6:43:37 PM, Graincruncher wrote:
How can someone experience a deep experience of something not being there when they never experienced it being there in the first place?

Forget what someones feels what about what you have seen with your own eyes or touched with your own hands that compels you to believe in what you believe?

I disbelieve because I have never seen or touched anything that leads me to believe. Hence atheism.

Well i would never say im something based on what someone else is doing or not doing. You wont admit it but you do feel connected to your beliefs of atheism or you wouldn't be on a web site talking about it. If there is nothing there why waste your time defending it. Atheism is just as much as a religion as all the others except Atheist are blind to who they are really serving but anyway thanks for the reply

Atheism can only be a religion in a meyaphoricsl sense or using a diluted and uncommon definition of religion. I do get the gist of your post but I belief it could be better put. For example, atheism may be defined as a lack of belief but it would be dishonest to say atheism isn't based on a belief.
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