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5/1/2014 12:23:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

Fire maybe. Volcanoes? Animals that came and ate my babies? The sun that grew the grain?
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5/1/2014 1:00:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

What is the point of such question ? who knows what they could have believed ?!
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5/1/2014 4:38:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

Not sure. That would depend on whether or not I came in contact with the god of Abraham. If I was not an Israelite, and I came in contact with the god of Abraham, I would have been murdered. I would have been murdered because I would not have accepted the god of Abraham, and the Israelites were some pretty violent imperialists... Otherwise, I would have worshiped the goddess, not the god. Goddesses were hot, back then.
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5/1/2014 5:01:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

Osiris and Horus. Best gods ever.
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12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?
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12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.
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12/1/2014 12:03:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

It is a valid question and only offends because it is placed too close to the mark. What God's have we created? Can you name a few?
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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12/1/2014 12:07:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 12:03:53 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

It is a valid question and only offends because it is placed too close to the mark. What God's have we created? Can you name a few?

I believe that we've created all of them.
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12/1/2014 12:09:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 12:07:48 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:03:53 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

It is a valid question and only offends because it is placed too close to the mark. What God's have we created? Can you name a few?

I believe that we've created all of them.

The question then is valid, yes?
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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12/1/2014 12:30:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 12:09:27 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:07:48 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:03:53 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

It is a valid question and only offends because it is placed too close to the mark. What God's have we created? Can you name a few?

I believe that we've created all of them.

The question then is valid, yes?

What do you believe it proves?
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12/1/2014 12:34:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 12:30:16 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:09:27 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:07:48 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:03:53 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

It is a valid question and only offends because it is placed too close to the mark. What God's have we created? Can you name a few?

I believe that we've created all of them.

The question then is valid, yes?

What do you believe it proves?

That we make our own Gods because we fear the unknown. It poses the question that perhaps all religions today have evolved from that primal fear. It challenges a debate. It is valid.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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12/1/2014 1:17:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 12:34:55 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:30:16 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:09:27 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:07:48 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:03:53 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

It is a valid question and only offends because it is placed too close to the mark. What God's have we created? Can you name a few?

I believe that we've created all of them.

The question then is valid, yes?

What do you believe it proves?

That we make our own Gods because we fear the unknown. It poses the question that perhaps all religions today have evolved from that primal fear. It challenges a debate. It is valid.

While many may indeed make their own Gods because they fear the unknown, that is clearly not true of all theists and, even were it true, that truth is not proved (or even addressed) by the question. What you are suggesting is simply a non sequitur.
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12/1/2014 1:29:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:17:24 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:34:55 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:30:16 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:09:27 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:07:48 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:03:53 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

It is a valid question and only offends because it is placed too close to the mark. What God's have we created? Can you name a few?

I believe that we've created all of them.

The question then is valid, yes?

What do you believe it proves?

That we make our own Gods because we fear the unknown. It poses the question that perhaps all religions today have evolved from that primal fear. It challenges a debate. It is valid.

While many may indeed make their own Gods because they fear the unknown, that is clearly not true of all theists and, even were it true, that truth is not proved (or even addressed) by the question. What you are suggesting is simply a non sequitur.

Perhaps. And I agree that not all theist are lacking bravery or acceptance of an inevitable outcome, whatever it may be. The question challenges only a few here who should rise to it and defend their positions. However, it is usually a losing battle of faith in doctrine verses reason. Which is a tragedy in itself. I would be a liar if I told you that I'm not disappointed that religion exposes itself as a sad and debunked let down in the end. It could be such a beautiful concept, but those who defend it are often not equipped for the challenge. I'd like a worthy opponent who doesn't resort to hacking doctrine and actually speaks from the heart.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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12/1/2014 1:31:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

jodybirdy you think God enjoys suffering??!
THINK: God suffered from the cross....He willingly let go of his Body, Soul and his Divinity to redeem us from death! No one took his life from him he "GAVE IT"!

John 10:17
The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life"only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

jodybirdy By dying Jesus destroyed death by his rising he restored life everlasting! He gave us his "ALL" completely in pure perfect love!
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12/1/2014 1:37:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:31:35 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

jodybirdy you think God enjoys suffering??!
THINK: God suffered from the cross....He willingly let go of his Body, Soul and his Divinity to redeem us from death! No one took his life from him he "GAVE IT"!

John 10:17
The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life"only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

jodybirdy By dying Jesus destroyed death by his rising he restored life everlasting! He gave us his "ALL" completely in pure perfect love!

Dogknox, magic and spiritualism cannot defy the laws of nature. I'm not criticizing. I'm just stating fact. When I see a man set foot on water and walk a distance using only his connection with a divine entity... then I will believe in magic. Until then I will remain a realist. But you are entitled to your beliefs. As am I.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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12/1/2014 1:45:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:37:01 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:31:35 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

jodybirdy you think God enjoys suffering??!
THINK: God suffered from the cross....He willingly let go of his Body, Soul and his Divinity to redeem us from death! No one took his life from him he "GAVE IT"!

John 10:17
The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life"only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

jodybirdy By dying Jesus destroyed death by his rising he restored life everlasting! He gave us his "ALL" completely in pure perfect love!

Dogknox, magic and spiritualism cannot defy the laws of nature. I'm not criticizing. I'm just stating fact. When I see a man set foot on water and walk a distance using only his connection with a divine entity... then I will believe in magic. Until then I will remain a realist. But you are entitled to your beliefs. As am I.
Right you are.... You BELIEVE!!!
You have your BELIEFS!!!

The scriptures tell you... Of a God that loves you! PROOF?!
the same scriptures "God' words" tell you he died for you.. God became part of his own creation!

You BELIEVE there are such a thing as "ATOMS" you have never seen any Atoms.. You MUST trust your "BELIEF" in what others tell you!! You BELIEVE them and have FAITH in their words!
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12/1/2014 1:46:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:29:56 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:17:24 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:34:55 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:30:16 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:09:27 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:07:48 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:03:53 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

It is a valid question and only offends because it is placed too close to the mark. What God's have we created? Can you name a few?

I believe that we've created all of them.

The question then is valid, yes?

What do you believe it proves?

That we make our own Gods because we fear the unknown. It poses the question that perhaps all religions today have evolved from that primal fear. It challenges a debate. It is valid.

While many may indeed make their own Gods because they fear the unknown, that is clearly not true of all theists and, even were it true, that truth is not proved (or even addressed) by the question. What you are suggesting is simply a non sequitur.

Perhaps. And I agree that not all theist are lacking bravery or acceptance of an inevitable outcome, whatever it may be. The question challenges only a few here who should rise to it and defend their positions. However, it is usually a losing battle of faith in doctrine verses reason. Which is a tragedy in itself. I would be a liar if I told you that I'm not disappointed that religion exposes itself as a sad and debunked let down in the end. It could be such a beautiful concept, but those who defend it are often not equipped for the challenge. I'd like a worthy opponent who doesn't resort to hacking doctrine and actually speaks from the heart.

You seem to equate "religion" with Christian fundamentalism. Would it surprise you to discover that many Jews do not believe in heaven and hell?
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12/1/2014 1:47:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:45:52 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:37:01 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:31:35 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

jodybirdy you think God enjoys suffering??!
THINK: God suffered from the cross....He willingly let go of his Body, Soul and his Divinity to redeem us from death! No one took his life from him he "GAVE IT"!

John 10:17
The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life"only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

jodybirdy By dying Jesus destroyed death by his rising he restored life everlasting! He gave us his "ALL" completely in pure perfect love!

Dogknox, magic and spiritualism cannot defy the laws of nature. I'm not criticizing. I'm just stating fact. When I see a man set foot on water and walk a distance using only his connection with a divine entity... then I will believe in magic. Until then I will remain a realist. But you are entitled to your beliefs. As am I.
Right you are.... You BELIEVE!!!
You have your BELIEFS!!!

The scriptures tell you... Of a God that loves you! PROOF?!
the same scriptures "God' words" tell you he died for you.. God became part of his own creation!

You BELIEVE there are such a thing as "ATOMS" you have never seen any Atoms.. You MUST trust your "BELIEF" in what others tell you!! You BELIEVE them and have FAITH in their words!

I can't have faith in hearsay.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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12/1/2014 1:51:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
jodybirdy you said..
I can't have faith in hearsay.

Same here... I agree with you!!

I do however, trust in the words written down in a book tried and tested for hundreds of years, to be truth!

Hear say.. is Gossip.
Texts books are not, hearsay.
Books trusted by many scholars are not hearsay!

The Bible is one such book!
History is another FACT that you cannot ignore
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12/1/2014 2:21:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:46:45 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:29:56 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:17:24 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:34:55 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:30:16 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:09:27 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:07:48 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:03:53 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

It is a valid question and only offends because it is placed too close to the mark. What God's have we created? Can you name a few?

I believe that we've created all of them.

The question then is valid, yes?

What do you believe it proves?

That we make our own Gods because we fear the unknown. It poses the question that perhaps all religions today have evolved from that primal fear. It challenges a debate. It is valid.

While many may indeed make their own Gods because they fear the unknown, that is clearly not true of all theists and, even were it true, that truth is not proved (or even addressed) by the question. What you are suggesting is simply a non sequitur.

Perhaps. And I agree that not all theist are lacking bravery or acceptance of an inevitable outcome, whatever it may be. The question challenges only a few here who should rise to it and defend their positions. However, it is usually a losing battle of faith in doctrine verses reason. Which is a tragedy in itself. I would be a liar if I told you that I'm not disappointed that religion exposes itself as a sad and debunked let down in the end. It could be such a beautiful concept, but those who defend it are often not equipped for the challenge. I'd like a worthy opponent who doesn't resort to hacking doctrine and actually speaks from the heart.

You seem to equate "religion" with Christian fundamentalism. Would it surprise you to discover that many Jews do not believe in heaven and hell?

No, not at all. I believe that the original posting was actually directed to the Christian fundamentalists here. There are a few who demonstrate a gross misrepresentation of their faith. I'm sure you have witnessed it before. As for me, I do not discount the existence of God. I simply go with what I know to be the right thing to do and leave the supernatural out of it. Atheist or agnostic if you wish to call it something.

So, the OP is relevant to the ongoing debate here and as harsh as it's wording may be, it was most definitely provoked and is a rebuttal to blind hypocrisy being demonstrated at it's finest.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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12/1/2014 2:25:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:45:52 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:37:01 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:31:35 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

jodybirdy you think God enjoys suffering??!
THINK: God suffered from the cross....He willingly let go of his Body, Soul and his Divinity to redeem us from death! No one took his life from him he "GAVE IT"!

John 10:17
The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life"only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

jodybirdy By dying Jesus destroyed death by his rising he restored life everlasting! He gave us his "ALL" completely in pure perfect love!

Dogknox, magic and spiritualism cannot defy the laws of nature. I'm not criticizing. I'm just stating fact. When I see a man set foot on water and walk a distance using only his connection with a divine entity... then I will believe in magic. Until then I will remain a realist. But you are entitled to your beliefs. As am I.
Right you are.... You BELIEVE!!!
You have your BELIEFS!!!

The scriptures tell you... Of a God that loves you! PROOF?!
the same scriptures "God' words" tell you he died for you.. God became part of his own creation!

You BELIEVE there are such a thing as "ATOMS" you have never seen any Atoms.. You MUST trust your "BELIEF" in what others tell you!! You BELIEVE them and have FAITH in their words!

As time tested scientific theory I have to say that yes, I believe in atoms. As for the Bible being the divine words of a supernatural being, well, where is the scientific proof in that? Please explain.
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12/1/2014 2:31:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:51:49 PM, Dogknox wrote:
jodybirdy you said..
I can't have faith in hearsay.

Same here... I agree with you!!

I do however, trust in the words written down in a book tried and tested for hundreds of years, to be truth!

Hear say.. is Gossip.
Texts books are not, hearsay.
Books trusted by many scholars are not hearsay!

The Bible is one such book!
History is another FACT that you cannot ignore

The Bible is not historical in the sense that it presenting fact. It's is the historic evolution of a faith, actually multiple faiths when you include Judaism and Islam in the Old Testament. Hearsay!
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12/1/2014 2:46:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 2:21:33 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:46:45 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:29:56 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:17:24 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:34:55 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:30:16 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:09:27 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:07:48 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:03:53 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

It is a valid question and only offends because it is placed too close to the mark. What God's have we created? Can you name a few?

I believe that we've created all of them.

The question then is valid, yes?

What do you believe it proves?

That we make our own Gods because we fear the unknown. It poses the question that perhaps all religions today have evolved from that primal fear. It challenges a debate. It is valid.

While many may indeed make their own Gods because they fear the unknown, that is clearly not true of all theists and, even were it true, that truth is not proved (or even addressed) by the question. What you are suggesting is simply a non sequitur.

Perhaps. And I agree that not all theist are lacking bravery or acceptance of an inevitable outcome, whatever it may be. The question challenges only a few here who should rise to it and defend their positions. However, it is usually a losing battle of faith in doctrine verses reason. Which is a tragedy in itself. I would be a liar if I told you that I'm not disappointed that religion exposes itself as a sad and debunked let down in the end. It could be such a beautiful concept, but those who defend it are often not equipped for the challenge. I'd like a worthy opponent who doesn't resort to hacking doctrine and actually speaks from the heart.

You seem to equate "religion" with Christian fundamentalism. Would it surprise you to discover that many Jews do not believe in heaven and hell?

No, not at all. I believe that the original posting was actually directed to the Christian fundamentalists here.

Perhaps. I would have no way to know that 'fact.' Shalom.
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12/1/2014 2:47:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 2:46:33 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 2:21:33 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:46:45 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:29:56 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:17:24 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:34:55 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:30:16 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:09:27 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:07:48 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:03:53 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

It is a valid question and only offends because it is placed too close to the mark. What God's have we created? Can you name a few?

I believe that we've created all of them.

The question then is valid, yes?

What do you believe it proves?

That we make our own Gods because we fear the unknown. It poses the question that perhaps all religions today have evolved from that primal fear. It challenges a debate. It is valid.

While many may indeed make their own Gods because they fear the unknown, that is clearly not true of all theists and, even were it true, that truth is not proved (or even addressed) by the question. What you are suggesting is simply a non sequitur.

Perhaps. And I agree that not all theist are lacking bravery or acceptance of an inevitable outcome, whatever it may be. The question challenges only a few here who should rise to it and defend their positions. However, it is usually a losing battle of faith in doctrine verses reason. Which is a tragedy in itself. I would be a liar if I told you that I'm not disappointed that religion exposes itself as a sad and debunked let down in the end. It could be such a beautiful concept, but those who defend it are often not equipped for the challenge. I'd like a worthy opponent who doesn't resort to hacking doctrine and actually speaks from the heart.

You seem to equate "religion" with Christian fundamentalism. Would it surprise you to discover that many Jews do not believe in heaven and hell?

No, not at all. I believe that the original posting was actually directed to the Christian fundamentalists here.

Perhaps. I would have no way to know that 'fact.' Shalom.

Peace to you as well.
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12/2/2014 7:48:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

Lack the imagination and self examination necessary to answer the question?
Ah well!
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12/2/2014 7:59:10 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/2/2014 7:48:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

Lack the imagination and self examination necessary to answer the question?
Ah well!

No. I lack respect for the questioner.
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12/2/2014 8:00:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/2/2014 7:59:10 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/2/2014 7:48:00 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:43:11 AM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:27:53 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 12/1/2014 11:16:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/1/2014 12:20:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
5000yrs ago, which god would you have worshiped?

I thought I might resurrect this for our godbothering friends.
After all, they worship a god someone has told them about now, so what god would they have worshiped before they had heard of their current god?

This is a very good question, but it probably hits too close to the mark to be acknowledged. I'll answer your question. It would be an angry God(s) that punishes people with starvation, death, and hardship when they haven't done exactly as they are supposed to. Thus sacrifices would be used in order to avoid his blood hungry wrath. Wait a minute... hello old testament.

The question strikes me as a juvenile attempt to mock fundamentalists. As such it is more petty than effective.

Lack the imagination and self examination necessary to answer the question?
Ah well!

No. I lack respect for the questioner.

Fear of the questions will do that to people who lack a capacity for self examination.