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5/2/2014 7:01:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
If you are interested in some new ideas on religious pluralism and the Trinity, please check out my website at www.religiouspluralism.ca, and give me your thoughts on improving content and presentation.

My thesis is that an abstract version of the Trinity could be Christianity"s answer to the world need for a framework of pluralistic theology.

In a constructive worldview: east, west, and far-east religions present a threefold understanding of One God manifest primarily in Muslim and Hebrew intuition of the Deity Absolute, Christian and Krishnan Hindu conception of the Universe Absolute Supreme Being; and Shaivite Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist apprehension of the Destroyer (meaning also Consummator), Unconditioned Absolute, or Spirit of All That Is and is not. Together with their variations and combinations in other major religions, these religious ideas reflect and express our collective understanding of God, in an expanded concept of the Holy Trinity.

The Trinity Absolute is portrayed in the logic of world religions, as follows:

1. Muslims and Jews may be said to worship only the first person of the Trinity, i.e. the existential Deity Absolute Creator, known as Allah or Yhwh, Abba or Father (as Jesus called him), Brahma, and other names; represented by Gabriel (Executive Archangel), Muhammad and Moses (mighty messenger prophets), and others.

2. Christians and Krishnan Hindus may be said to worship the first person through a second person, i.e. the experiential Universe or "Universal" Absolute Supreme Being (Allsoul or Supersoul), called Son/Christ or Vishnu/Krishna; represented by Michael (Supreme Archangel), Jesus (teacher and savior of souls), and others. The Allsoul is that gestalt of personal human consciousness, which we expect will be the "body of Christ" (Mahdi, Messiah, Kalki or Maitreya) in the second coming " personified in history by Muhammad, Jesus Christ, Buddha (9th incarnation of Vishnu), and others.

3. Shaivite Hindus, Buddhists, and Confucian-Taoists seem to venerate the synthesis of the first and second persons in a third person or appearance, ie. the Destiny Consummator of ultimate reality " unqualified Nirvana consciousness " associative Tao of All That Is " the absonite* Unconditioned Absolute Spirit "Synthesis of Source and Synthesis,"** who/which is logically expected to be Allah/Abba/Brahma glorified in and by union with the Supreme Being " represented in religions by Gabriel, Michael, and other Archangels, Mahadevas, Spiritpersons, etc., who may be included within the mysterious Holy Ghost.

Other strains of religion seem to be psychological variations on the third person, or possibly combinations and permutations of the members of the Trinity " all just different personality perspectives on the Same God. Taken together, the world"s major religions give us at least two insights into the first person of this thrice-personal One God, two perceptions of the second person, and at least three glimpses of the third.

* The ever-mysterious Holy Ghost or Unconditioned Spirit is neither absolutely infinite, nor absolutely finite, but absonite; meaning neither existential nor experiential, but their ultimate consummation; neither fully ideal nor totally real, but a middle path and grand synthesis of the superconscious and the conscious, in consciousness of the unconscious.

** This conception is so strong because somewhat as the Absonite Spirit is a synthesis of the spirit of the Absolute and the spirit of the Supreme, so it would seem that the evolving Supreme Being may himself also be a synthesis or "gestalt" of humanity with itself, in an Almighty Universe Allperson or Supersoul. Thus ultimately, the Absonite is their Unconditioned Absolute Coordinate Identity " the Spirit Synthesis of Source and Synthesis " the metaphysical Destiny Consummator of All That Is.

After the Hindu and Buddhist conceptions, perhaps the most subtle expression and comprehensive symbol of the 3rd person of the Trinity is the Tao; involving the harmonization of "yin and yang" (great opposing ideas indentified in positive and negative, or otherwise contrasting terms). In the Taoist icon of yin and yang, the s-shaped line separating the black and white spaces may be interpreted as the Unconditioned "Middle Path" between condition and conditioned opposites, while the circle that encompasses them both suggests their synthesis in the Spirit of the "Great Way" or Tao of All That Is.

If the small black and white circles or "eyes" are taken to represent a nucleus of truth in both yin and yang, then the metaphysics of this symbolism fits nicely with the paradoxical mystery of the Christian Holy Ghost; who is neither the spirit of the one nor the spirit of the other, but the Glorified Spirit proceeding from both, taken altogether " as one entity " personally distinct from his co-equal, co-eternal and fully coordinate co-sponsors, who differentiate from him, as well as mingle and meld in him.

For more details, please see: www.religiouspluralism.ca

Samuel Stuart Maynes
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5/3/2014 9:30:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
How can Christianity, be both compatible with Judaism (and confirming its scriptures, yet give a different definition for God ?
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5/3/2014 10:34:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/3/2014 9:30:54 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
How can Christianity, be both compatible with Judaism (and confirming its scriptures, yet give a different definition for God ?

It's OK. Regardless of what allah and muhammad said, miriam isn't a part of the trinity.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/9/2014 10:04:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/3/2014 9:30:54 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
How can Christianity, be both compatible with Judaism (and confirming its scriptures), yet give a different definition for God ?

Both Jews and Christians may have to broaden their thinking a bit, but I"m not making this stuff up. Clearly, God has manifested himself through several historic messengers. The diversity of world religions may very well be rooted in the diversity of the divine life itself. Thus, a deeper understanding of the Trinity might include a synthesis of all that God has revealed of himself, as contained in the wisdom of all the world"s major religions.

If you read the Preview on my website at www.religiouspluralism.ca, you will see that I am merely expanding on what is already inherent (but sometimes obscured or hidden) in the orthodox concept of the Trinity. Despite apparent differences, the underlying similarities among religions suggest the possibility that they may all be merely different facets of the same multi-dimensional reality. Indeed, when we examine world religions, we see in the personalities they portray and the language they use, a reflection of one or other (or some combination) of the three divine psychological personae.

My thesis is that as the world becomes more and more religiously and culturally diverse, we will have no choice but to practice pluralism in order to avoid a "clash of civilizations" over what amounts to a possibly preventable and ultimately correctable misunderstanding. To quote from my Homepage, I maintain that:

"As religious communities and as growing nations, our futures are inextricably linked, being joined at the hip so to speak. We must develop a truly multi-cultural, multi-religious society in order to get along. Religious variety would be a wonderful source of cultural stimulus, if religious beliefs could be placed in some sort of comprehensive context which recognizes the differences, but integrates their best attitudes in one inclusive framework. Diversity can be healthy and something to be celebrated. Pluralism also has the virtue of being a universal moral worldview.

Mere toleration is too fragile a foundation for a world of religious differences in close proximity. It does nothing to unite people, and leaves in place the stereotypes and fears that underlie old patterns of division and violence. In the world in which we live today, our elitism and ignorance of one another will be increasingly costly. If the interactions of society are to be at all a rational process, some set of principles must motivate the general participation of religious groups in the oneness of the community, without hindering the maintenance by each group of its own identity.

There must be some form of creative pluralism or constructive interpretation that will allow all groups to agree to a "minimal consensus" of shared beliefs in a systematic unity. And there must be some metaphysical systematic unity, because ultimately all truth (including science) must be part of the explanation of One God.

Recently, a number of theologians have suggested that the Trinity may provide the key to an inclusive theology of religions, and a new understanding of religious diversity. An expanded abstract version of the Trinity can function as a metaphysical "architectonic principle" to unlock the providential purpose and meaning of religious variety, in the portrayal of the multi-dimensional nature of God.

In the past, religious misunderstandings have caused immense grief, but civilization is rapidly approaching the point where the very survival of the world depends on overcoming anti-social religious conflicts, and the negative impacts of increasing population on the planet. The human race can no longer afford religious strife that divides people and disturbs urgent cooperation on mutual issues such as conservation and sharing of resources, combating climate change, stimulating healthy economic growth, etc.

Peace in the world requires peace among religions. Religious pluralism is a necessary paradigm shift whose time has come. Absent any better idea, the Trinity Absolute concept of One God in three phases or personae is the only adequate metaphysical vehicle necessary and sufficient for a real form of religious pluralism that is more than just lukewarm toleration and talking past one another."

Samuel Stuart Maynes
www.religiouspluralism.ca
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5/11/2014 11:10:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/9/2014 10:04:14 AM, SS-Maynes wrote:
At 5/3/2014 9:30:54 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
How can Christianity, be both compatible with Judaism (and confirming its scriptures), yet give a different definition for God ?

Both Jews and Christians may have to broaden their thinking a bit, but I"m not making this stuff up. Clearly, God has manifested himself through several historic messengers. The diversity of world religions may very well be rooted in the diversity of the divine life itself. Thus, a deeper understanding of the Trinity might include a synthesis of all that God has revealed of himself, as contained in the wisdom of all the world"s major religions.

If you read the Preview on my website at www.religiouspluralism.ca, you will see that I am merely expanding on what is already inherent (but sometimes obscured or hidden) in the orthodox concept of the Trinity. Despite apparent differences, the underlying similarities among religions suggest the possibility that they may all be merely different facets of the same multi-dimensional reality. Indeed, when we examine world religions, we see in the personalities they portray and the language they use, a reflection of one or other (or some combination) of the three divine psychological personae.

My thesis is that as the world becomes more and more religiously and culturally diverse, we will have no choice but to practice pluralism in order to avoid a "clash of civilizations" over what amounts to a possibly preventable and ultimately correctable misunderstanding. To quote from my Homepage, I maintain that:

"As religious communities and as growing nations, our futures are inextricably linked, being joined at the hip so to speak. We must develop a truly multi-cultural, multi-religious society in order to get along. Religious variety would be a wonderful source of cultural stimulus, if religious beliefs could be placed in some sort of comprehensive context which recognizes the differences, but integrates their best attitudes in one inclusive framework. Diversity can be healthy and something to be celebrated. Pluralism also has the virtue of being a universal moral worldview.

Mere toleration is too fragile a foundation for a world of religious differences in close proximity. It does nothing to unite people, and leaves in place the stereotypes and fears that underlie old patterns of division and violence. In the world in which we live today, our elitism and ignorance of one another will be increasingly costly. If the interactions of society are to be at all a rational process, some set of principles must motivate the general participation of religious groups in the oneness of the community, without hindering the maintenance by each group of its own identity.

There must be some form of creative pluralism or constructive interpretation that will allow all groups to agree to a "minimal consensus" of shared beliefs in a systematic unity. And there must be some metaphysical systematic unity, because ultimately all truth (including science) must be part of the explanation of One God.

Recently, a number of theologians have suggested that the Trinity may provide the key to an inclusive theology of religions, and a new understanding of religious diversity. An expanded abstract version of the Trinity can function as a metaphysical "architectonic principle" to unlock the providential purpose and meaning of religious variety, in the portrayal of the multi-dimensional nature of God.

In the past, religious misunderstandings have caused immense grief, but civilization is rapidly approaching the point where the very survival of the world depends on overcoming anti-social religious conflicts, and the negative impacts of increasing population on the planet. The human race can no longer afford religious strife that divides people and disturbs urgent cooperation on mutual issues such as conservation and sharing of resources, combating climate change, stimulating healthy economic growth, etc.

Peace in the world requires peace among religions. Religious pluralism is a necessary paradigm shift whose time has come. Absent any better idea, the Trinity Absolute concept of One God in three phases or personae is the only adequate metaphysical vehicle necessary and sufficient for a real form of religious pluralism that is more than just lukewarm toleration and talking past one another."

Samuel Stuart Maynes
www.religiouspluralism.ca

You can't force people to believe in what you think is best, I mean you are free to dream, but you're not going to make any religion disappear, any holy book elapse, especially that some clearly contradict the concepts or creeds of others. A Jew bound by the covenant of God may accept Jesus as the messenger of God and the promised messiah, but wont accept a trinity !! likewise, a Muslim that reads the Quran, that clearly says the Christians went astray in believing God is 3 or that Jesus is the son of God, can never go backward!!

I mean I do know that the origin of all the religions is one, but they do diverge and some have accumulated legends and falsehood, I don't think it's any good for the world to make it one religion.

Also you believe that as a result people will be more peaceful or we would avoid a civilization clash, I say this is a childish dream. People reasons to fight are mainly power, money and lands. some can kill their own brothers and fathers for this so why do you think a new or universal religion would change anything ?!
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5/11/2014 11:33:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/3/2014 10:34:25 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/3/2014 9:30:54 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
How can Christianity, be both compatible with Judaism (and confirming its scriptures, yet give a different definition for God ?

It's OK. Regardless of what allah and muhammad said, miriam isn't a part of the trinity.

None ever thought she was, remember we have Christians in Arabia, so how do you say Mohammed get his knowledge from them then you say he thought she was part of the trinity ?!!

Answer: you got it all wrong.
SS-Maynes
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5/13/2014 11:43:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/3/2014 9:30:54 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
You can't force people to believe in what you think is best, I mean you are free to dream, but you're not going to make any religion disappear... I don't think it's any good for the world to make it one religion.

Fruitytree... You're missing the point, I"m not trying to "make any religion disappear," or make the world "one religion." I am merely demonstrating that all existing major religions fit nicely into an abstract concept of the Trinity, and display one or more of the three basic psychological "attitudes to the Absolute," with which humankind approach the subject of the divine or cosmic consciousness.

Of course, some people are always determined to see differences and contradictions, even when underlying agreements and the logic of "One God" are clearly pointed out and dramatically demonstrated. As I say on my Homepage, "Religious pluralism is an attitude which rejects a focus on immaterial differences, and instead emphasizes those beliefs held in common. But true religious pluralism goes beyond toleration and religious liberty, and gives respect to core principles rather than contradictions and marginal issues."

I"ve subtitled my work "a Constructive Interpretation of World Religions," but if you look at it closely, you will see that I'm not making this stuff up. There actually is a lot of truth in it, and the Trinity Absolute really could be a "Metaphysical Blueprint for Peace," if religionists of goodwill on all sides are looking for a basis of more than just lukewarm toleration and talking past one another.

We don"t have to invent anything, because it is readily acknowledged that Allah, Abba or Father (as Jesus called Him), and Brahma are religious representations of the Creator. But the Creator is the first Absolute person of the Trinity of the thrice-personal One God. So, in at least one respect, we can say that a large portion of humankind apparently worship the same God " the Deity Absolute Creator " reflected in three world religions, i.e.: Islam, Christianity, and Hinduism. This pluralistic worldview becomes inclusive if you consider that Buddhism, Confucian-Taoism, Shinto, and some other major religions seem to be variations on the third Absolute, while certain others, e.g. Sikh and Baha"i, suggest combinations.

The parallels between Christ and Krishna are well-documented elsewhere, so I won"t repeat them here. Suffice to say that a very strong argument can (and has) been made that the major religions of the world map directly onto the Trinity. However, any new idea has to be repeated many times before people will open to it. They read my words and they understand my meaning, but their conventional awareness doesn"t catch up with the full implications and validity of the idea until much later.

Samuel Stuart Maynes
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