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5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM
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If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?
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5/15/2014 9:14:38 PM
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Seems like a question best suited for a different forum http://www.debate.org...
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5/15/2014 9:41:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

I see this as just one more example of the failure of theists and atheists alike to try and see each other as like human beings with similar human intellects and emotions.

An atheist might feel compassion toward others because he/she knows from experience what it's like to suffer from physical or emotional pain, and isn't comfortable with the thought of someone else going through that. All it takes is a decent imagination to put oneself in another person's place.

When it comes to morals like honesty, charity, etc., it wouldn't be very hard for an atheist to reason that if he/she expects others to treat them kindly then it would be best if they were to treat the others kindly in turn. Nobody feels especially inclined to go out of their way to help an unhelpful person.

I think it's very important for theists to accept the fact that atheists can be as moral as they, and for atheists to accept that theists are often extremely intelligent. We are all humans after all, and we live in like societies with similar rules and expectations. A better question might be "Why would an atheist be less moral than a religious person?", or "Why would a theist be less intelligent than an atheist?"
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5/15/2014 9:45:43 PM
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At 5/15/2014 9:14:38 PM, Ragnar wrote:
Seems like a question best suited for a different forum http://www.debate.org...

Could be either.
Maybe I'll post there, too.
It's not about morality per se, but what's stopping them from being immoral.
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5/15/2014 9:49:12 PM
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At 5/15/2014 9:41:50 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

I see this as just one more example of the failure of theists and atheists alike to try and see each other as like human beings with similar human intellects and emotions.

An atheist might feel compassion toward others because he/she knows from experience what it's like to suffer from physical or emotional pain, and isn't comfortable with the thought of someone else going through that. All it takes is a decent imagination to put oneself in another person's place.

When it comes to morals like honesty, charity, etc., it wouldn't be very hard for an atheist to reason that if he/she expects others to treat them kindly then it would be best if they were to treat the others kindly in turn. Nobody feels especially inclined to go out of their way to help an unhelpful person.

I think it's very important for theists to accept the fact that atheists can be as moral as they, and for atheists to accept that theists are often extremely intelligent. We are all humans after all, and we live in like societies with similar rules and expectations. A better question might be "Why would an atheist be less moral than a religious person?", or "Why would a theist be less intelligent than an atheist?"

I'm not sure this addresses my question as I meant it.
Why do you think atheists do not turn into sociopaths?
What is ultimately stopping them? Not a fear of afterlife.
Is it they value their life most supreme, so they are actually less likely to be anti-societal?
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5/15/2014 9:55:00 PM
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At 5/15/2014 9:49:12 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/15/2014 9:41:50 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

I see this as just one more example of the failure of theists and atheists alike to try and see each other as like human beings with similar human intellects and emotions.

An atheist might feel compassion toward others because he/she knows from experience what it's like to suffer from physical or emotional pain, and isn't comfortable with the thought of someone else going through that. All it takes is a decent imagination to put oneself in another person's place.

When it comes to morals like honesty, charity, etc., it wouldn't be very hard for an atheist to reason that if he/she expects others to treat them kindly then it would be best if they were to treat the others kindly in turn. Nobody feels especially inclined to go out of their way to help an unhelpful person.

I think it's very important for theists to accept the fact that atheists can be as moral as they, and for atheists to accept that theists are often extremely intelligent. We are all humans after all, and we live in like societies with similar rules and expectations. A better question might be "Why would an atheist be less moral than a religious person?", or "Why would a theist be less intelligent than an atheist?"

I'm not sure this addresses my question as I meant it.
Why do you think atheists do not turn into sociopaths?
What is ultimately stopping them? Not a fear of afterlife.
Is it they value their life most supreme, so they are actually less likely to be anti-societal?

I believe it is likely because they are reasonable enough to see the benefit of social cooperation, and to understand that cooperation must work both ways. Many theists do believe that being an atheist lowers one's moral standards, but I'm not one of them. I mean, why do so many Christians become sociopaths despite proclaiming a belief that they will be judged by God (which means they know they won't get away with it)?
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5/15/2014 10:50:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

First of all, what does "random" mean? Yes, the universe is fundamentally probabilistic under quantum theory. But I assume you meant that our daily lives are random if they are not controlled by a higher power. But that is simply false: our daily lives are mostly influenced by ourselves and other people. This means that we can influence society in order to create a more enjoyable experience for ourselves while we are alive. So if we simply work to protect the well-being of other people, we will create a society in which we ourselves are more likely to be protected. It's the golden rule: treat others as you would like to be treated. It's one of the most basic concepts I can think of, and it's surprising that some religious people (though I don't think they're as common as some people believe) think that atheists have no reason to be moral.

And to anyone who does believe atheists have no reason to be moral: would you abandon morality if you discovered there was no God?
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5/15/2014 10:58:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

1. Humans have empathy, the source of morality.
2. We are social creatures.
3. All life has 1 meaning, reproduction.
4. Humans have developed a high enough state of mind to reject that meaning and implement our own

So, morality exists because of how we evolved, meaning atheists will have morals.
As well as that, there can be a meaning to life.
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5/16/2014 12:02:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

Do you really think that morals come from belief in God? It has not been my experience that religious people are any less likely to cheat, steal, lie, and kill than non religious people. As far as meaning is concerned, it comes from living our lives, performing our work, raising our kids, appreciating beauty, and many other things that have nothing to do with religion or belief in an after life.

Why do I want to do good? Why are ethics important to me? Because there is a lot of apathy and corruption in the world and I don't like it, so I stand up for what's right because I want to jam it back up the world's a ss and say no, I won't go along because that's not the kind of world I want to live in.
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5/16/2014 12:36:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/15/2014 9:49:12 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why do you think atheists do not turn into sociopaths?

Why do you think christians would become sociopaths (as many claim) without their fear of hell?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/16/2014 2:03:12 AM
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At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

I think that a moral code is embedded in us. It mostly revolves around empathy, so let's call it that.

What keeps me from doing immoral things is a high opinion of myself and a code of honor. If I do something immoral I feel as if it affects my value as a human being.

I honestly don't think sociopaths are created. I think they're born. It was beneficial to group survival for a certain number of people to be sociopathic. They make great killers. They feel no remorse and have no qualms about taking a life. If it weren't for them a tribe would do horrible in battle.
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5/16/2014 6:00:43 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

They are conscious, they have a godliness the power which they deny. For me, it's easy, if you are a bunch of chemicals I can experiment with you as I want. If you think that makes me a psycopath, I'd think you foolish: because mere chemicals don't call other chemicals psycopathic while operating under natural laws. I'd say they've locked themself up in materialistic thinking which denies the spirit that animates us all.
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5/16/2014 6:09:59 AM
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At 5/16/2014 2:03:12 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

I think that a moral code is embedded in us. It mostly revolves around empathy, so let's call it that.

What keeps me from doing immoral things is a high opinion of myself and a code of honor. If I do something immoral I feel as if it affects my value as a human being.

I honestly don't think sociopaths are created. I think they're born. It was beneficial to group survival for a certain number of people to be sociopathic. They make great killers. They feel no remorse and have no qualms about taking a life. If it weren't for them a tribe would do horrible in battle.

They are created too. Ted Bundy seems to me to have been created. Same for Timothy McVaughn. Some sociopaths are born with the tendency others cultivate that tendency by nurturing dark fantasies over time, due to bad circumstances etc. Consider the other side.
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5/16/2014 6:20:14 AM
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At 5/16/2014 6:00:43 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

They are conscious, they have a godliness the power which they deny. For me, it's easy, if you are a bunch of chemicals I can experiment with you as I want. If you think that makes me a psycopath, I'd think you foolish: because mere chemicals don't call other chemicals psycopathic while operating under natural laws. I'd say they've locked themself up in materialistic thinking which denies the spirit that animates us all.

See post #10 for clarification.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/16/2014 7:39:27 AM
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At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?

You do realise the most coherent response to this is that morality doesn't come from a higher power, right? The question is only problematic if you first assume there is a higher power that provides moral context. If you don't assume this, atheists are moral for the same reason as everyone else; it is, generally speaking, human nature.
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5/16/2014 7:47:22 AM
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At 5/16/2014 12:36:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/15/2014 9:49:12 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why do you think atheists do not turn into sociopaths?

Why do you think christians would become sociopaths (as many claim) without their fear of hell?

Okay, who the fvck has ever said this?
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5/16/2014 8:09:54 AM
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At 5/16/2014 7:47:22 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 5/16/2014 12:36:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/15/2014 9:49:12 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why do you think atheists do not turn into sociopaths?

Why do you think christians would become sociopaths (as many claim) without their fear of hell?

Okay, who the fvck has ever said this?

Read post #12.
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5/16/2014 8:11:27 AM
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At 5/16/2014 8:09:54 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/16/2014 7:47:22 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 5/16/2014 12:36:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/15/2014 9:49:12 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why do you think atheists do not turn into sociopaths?

Why do you think christians would become sociopaths (as many claim) without their fear of hell?

Okay, who the fvck has ever said this?

Read post #12.

So one post= many claims. Riiiiiight.
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5/16/2014 8:19:03 AM
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At 5/16/2014 6:00:43 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

They are conscious, they have a godliness the power which they deny. For me, it's easy, if you are a bunch of chemicals I can experiment with you as I want. If you think that makes me a psycopath, I'd think you foolish: because mere chemicals don't call other chemicals psycopathic while operating under natural laws. I'd say they've locked themself up in materialistic thinking which denies the spirit that animates us all.

That's the most idiotic thing I've seen posted by someone who isn't Dylan in a while.

If that's the best reasoning you've got, you should probably remain silent.
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5/16/2014 8:38:13 AM
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At 5/16/2014 8:11:27 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 5/16/2014 8:09:54 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/16/2014 7:47:22 AM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 5/16/2014 12:36:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/15/2014 9:49:12 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why do you think atheists do not turn into sociopaths?

Why do you think christians would become sociopaths (as many claim) without their fear of hell?

Okay, who the fvck has ever said this?

Read post #12.

So one post= many claims. Riiiiiight.

You asked.

I answered, I'm sorry you feel let down.

But deary you didn't ask for a list of all the people who have ever made that claim, you asked for one, by implication.
Okay, who the fvck has ever said this?

Get it?
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5/16/2014 8:53:10 AM
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At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

As an Atheist, I base my morals in my empathy for other humans. This is all the time we have on this world, and I want it to be as happy for everyone as I can possibly help to make it. If I see someone hurting, I can't just justify it by saying that god has some plan for them and walk away. I have a need to help that person because, as a fellow human, I can empathize with them and I want them to no longer be in pain.
The meaning in my life does not come from feeling special because I was created by some benevolent god. It comes from my personal feelings of wanting to help people and be a good person. When I am dead, I don't have to worry about heaven or hell, but I do want to die knowing that during my life, I was able to positively impact others.
Two closing points, If Christian morals stem from god, would a Christian who stopped believing in god no longer be a good person simply because they let go of their faith?
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5/16/2014 9:11:17 AM
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At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
It must be just a natural trait we inherit from past experiences.
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

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5/16/2014 9:36:11 AM
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At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

I think most people here have misunderstood Khaos_Mage. The atheists all seem to want to defend the charge that atheists have no morality because they have no "higher power", but Khaos_Mage made no such charge. All he did was ask basically, what is the atheists motivation for being moral? Some who responded have done a good job of answering that question.

But there is an issue that Khaos_Mage hints at which does need some attention. Morality, when stark, is easy. Is it wrong to rape this girl I'm attracted to? Should I steal my bosses money because I want new shoes? Should I take credit for the work done by another?

It is when morality is nuanced and not easy to see, that a particular issue crops up. Can I abort an unborn baby because I don't want it? Should homosexuals be allowed to adopt? Can I print a persons embarrassing pictures if I think it's news? This is why we need things like police, governments, and constitutions.

When morality isn't obvious, we get disagreements not only on whether a particular act is moral, but also about the nature of the moral code used to arrive at our determination. What gives that code authority? If someone has a different code, whose code trumps? Are all moral codes equally authoritative?

Bare with me here.

Now it is true that an atheist can devise a moral code. And it is true that he can devise a code that works in most societies. But it is when someone or some group challenges society that our morality needs the justification of an objective morality.

Consider Boko Hiram in Nigeria, Amnesty International, Hitler, The Tea Party, Al Quada, Occupy Wall Street. On what authority, other than force, do you tell them that their morality is not ideal? On what authority, other than force, do they demand that society adopt their morality?

Lets say that an atheist said, "We are all just chemical accidents of nature, there is no purpose to life, nothing we do has any real meaning or import in the end. I don't like blacks, I think they are lower on the evolutionary ladder. So I use them as slaves as that is what they are worthy of and that is what I want to do.

Of course, you would say he is wrong and being immoral. Based on what? Your moral code. Why is your code superior to his? Social utility? I bet he'll rate his higher. Because you have greater numbers and can enforce your code?

See, if every atheist feels that everyone has a right to devise their own moral code, than he cannot deny that right to another because he personally doesn't like that code for whatever reason he deems important. The other person can do the exact same thing using whatever criteria he deems important to condemn your moral code.

Now, a young atheist watching this disagreement, wonders, "which moral should I adopt? Should I do what is practical and advantageous for me like the slave owner is doing? Or should I adopt the other code which says slavery is wrong?

Both parties talk to the young atheist, each claiming that their code is moral. But it's back to the same question. What makes one code moral and the other not? Well, reply the anti-slavers, hurting people is immoral. But that is a subjective standard applied to their code by themselves. The slaver says not using resources for development and growth is immoral. What makes either reason inferior to the other?

The point here is that a moral code must have authority. Something we can appeal to to justify it's superiority over other codes. Otherwise, we can only "justify" (not enforce) our code through force, and force is only effective when we have superior power. We can enforce anything with sufficient power, but justification is a different matter.

Enforcing a moral code with force (or threat of) never convinces the young that the code being enforced is moral. Societies cannot successfully function that way. The young coming up must believe that the code of the day is truly moral, and has more than just, "we think it is and we have power" to justify it.

Theists contend that societies can only have this with God. Every society which has ditched the idea of an objectively backed moral code has collapsed in on itself. People have no objective reason, no "ought", as to why they shouldn't follow any morality which seems right to them at the time.

So theists aren't saying that atheists can't have a moral code or be moral. The code of the atheist has nothing to justify it's adoption by others other than force or the threat thereof. It needn't be actually moral, it just needs to be liked by the atheist.

Moralities that make successful societies need more authority than raw force.

Here is a simple moral code test. Can your moral code alone stop you from doing something you desire?If there was no fear of punishment or societal disapproval, could your moral code alone stop you from doing something you desired?

If your answer is "yes", tell us that thing.
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5/16/2014 9:42:39 AM
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At 5/16/2014 8:19:03 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 5/16/2014 6:00:43 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

They are conscious, they have a godliness the power which they deny. For me, it's easy, if you are a bunch of chemicals I can experiment with you as I want. If you think that makes me a psycopath, I'd think you foolish: because mere chemicals don't call other chemicals psycopathic while operating under natural laws. I'd say they've locked themself up in materialistic thinking which denies the spirit that animates us all.

That's the most idiotic thing I've seen posted by someone who isn't Dylan in a while.

If that's the best reasoning you've got, you should probably remain silent.

So the based on reason, your best response is that it's idiotic. No reasons and a pitiable attempt to silence me. You are foolish.
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5/16/2014 9:48:23 AM
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At 5/16/2014 6:20:14 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/16/2014 6:00:43 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

They are conscious, they have a godliness the power which they deny. For me, it's easy, if you are a bunch of chemicals I can experiment with you as I want. If you think that makes me a psycopath, I'd think you foolish: because mere chemicals don't call other chemicals psycopathic while operating under natural laws. I'd say they've locked themself up in materialistic thinking which denies the spirit that animates us all.

See post #10 for clarification.

I'm spoilt for choice of ex-Bible proclaiming, holy rolling, evangelical Christians who did not become sociopaths. Let's from Michael Shermer.
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5/16/2014 9:49:20 AM
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At 5/16/2014 9:36:11 AM, ethang5 wrote:
I think most people here have misunderstood Khaos_Mage. The atheists all seem to want to defend the charge that atheists have no morality because they have no "higher power",
Poor man can't read.

That is not what atheists are doing at all.

Ya see poor little fella, we argue that we have morals that are superior to the religious morals, because we don't need a pretend skydaddy to supply those morals.
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5/16/2014 10:04:35 AM
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At 5/15/2014 9:49:12 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/15/2014 9:41:50 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 5/15/2014 8:12:51 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
If there is no appeal to a higher power, why do atheists have morals?
There is no meaning to life, as it is random, so what does it matter what you do while alive?

I see this as just one more example of the failure of theists and atheists alike to try and see each other as like human beings with similar human intellects and emotions.

An atheist might feel compassion toward others because he/she knows from experience what it's like to suffer from physical or emotional pain, and isn't comfortable with the thought of someone else going through that. All it takes is a decent imagination to put oneself in another person's place.

When it comes to morals like honesty, charity, etc., it wouldn't be very hard for an atheist to reason that if he/she expects others to treat them kindly then it would be best if they were to treat the others kindly in turn. Nobody feels especially inclined to go out of their way to help an unhelpful person.

I think it's very important for theists to accept the fact that atheists can be as moral as they, and for atheists to accept that theists are often extremely intelligent. We are all humans after all, and we live in like societies with similar rules and expectations. A better question might be "Why would an atheist be less moral than a religious person?", or "Why would a theist be less intelligent than an atheist?"

I'm not sure this addresses my question as I meant it.
Why do you think atheists do not turn into sociopaths?
What is ultimately stopping them? Not a fear of afterlife.
Is it they value their life most supreme, so they are actually less likely to be anti-societal?

So, let me get this straight. You think theists would all turn into sociopaths with out the "fear" of the afterlife?
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5/16/2014 10:32:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 9:49:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/16/2014 9:36:11 AM, ethang5 wrote:
I think most people here have misunderstood Khaos_Mage. The atheists all seem to want to defend the charge that atheists have no morality because they have no "higher power",

Poor man can't read.

That is not what atheists are doing at all.

That is exactly what the militants among you are doing. The reasonable ones addressed his question. You, and the other militants, immediately started squealing about how you don't need God to be moral.

Ya see poor little fella, we argue that we have morals that are superior to the religious morals, because we don't need a pretend skydaddy to supply those morals.

If you had superior morals, you wouldn't insult strangers on the web. It is clear from your posts that you have inferior morals.

By the way, where is your alter-ego, perplexed? Did you decide to retire her? So early? That would be a shame. She was one of the few characters on the board sillier than you. Say hi to her the next time you're in front of a mirror ok?
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5/16/2014 11:31:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/16/2014 12:36:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/15/2014 9:49:12 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Why do you think atheists do not turn into sociopaths?

Why do you think christians would become sociopaths (as many claim) without their fear of hell?

The fear of hell is reason alone for them to not be.
Atheists don't have this fear, which is why I am asking.

I understand that humans are social creatures, but is that all that is keeping them from doing as they please? Being part of society and/or staying alive?
I guess it is the same for both, but I thought it was an interesting question.
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