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5/25/2014 9:52:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Why do atheists disagree with putting creationism into schools and teaching it as science? Intelligent design is proven true by the Discovery Institute, which coughed out many studies done according to the wedge strategy to disprove evolution already.

Creationism is scientific because evolution is wrong. It states that we came from nowhere and evolved using random chance. It violates the second law of thermodynamics. It is disproven by the lack of transitional fossils and speciation, as well as the cambrian explosion.

Why do atheists have a problem with our reality? Our version of reality according to the Wedge statement is creationism!

Atheists have a problem with the Christian Conservative reality decided by the wedge statement. If you have a problem with the truth, just ignore it. If you have a problem with creationism getting taught in school, just ignore it. After all, if you disagree with something, you should JUST IGNORE IT. If you have a problem with a feature of this site, just don't use it. If you dislike imabench, just don't view his debates. If you get any hate after posting something that offended others, just cover your ears and say "BLABLABLA". If you don't like minecraft, don't play it. If you don't like the brokenness of playcube 180's online play, just buy gamebox instead.

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5/25/2014 10:10:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/25/2014 9:52:35 AM, jh1234l wrote:
Why do atheists disagree with putting creationism into schools and teaching it as science? Intelligent design is proven true by the Discovery Institute, which coughed out many studies done according to the wedge strategy to disprove evolution already.

Because it isn't science. It's based on faith in a book that couldn't possibly be accurate, supported by faith in human interpretation of said book, and every conclusion is drawn before any evidence is ever even examined. In essence, we simply don't want the minds of future generations of scientists to be stunted before they ever get a chance to flex.

Creationism is scientific because evolution is wrong. It states that we came from nowhere and evolved using random chance. It violates the second law of thermodynamics. It is disproven by the lack of transitional fossils and speciation, as well as the cambrian explosion.

Creationism is UNscientific because it is unscientific. Evolution may lack a few pieces, but it is far from wrong. You, being the ignorant believer that you are, have confused evolution with the big bang. This is typical. It is clear that you are simply regurgitating "facts" from the likes of ray comfort and ken ham, that you have heard them use. If you are going to "cross-pollenate" your theories, you're going to be ice-skating uphill. The only other option is to dismiss you as a obviously ignorant specimen.

Why do atheists have a problem with our reality? Our version of reality according to the Wedge statement is creationism!

Yours is not a reality. There is no "version" of reality. There is reality, and there is perception. That you filter your perception of reality through theistic ignorance is painfully evident. That you receive your information without thought or rational consideration is equally so.

Atheists have a problem with the Christian Conservative reality decided by the wedge statement. If you have a problem with the truth, just ignore it. If you have a problem with creationism getting taught in school, just ignore it. After all, if you disagree with something, you should JUST IGNORE IT. If you have a problem with a feature of this site, just don't use it. If you dislike imabench, just don't view his debates. If you get any hate after posting something that offended others, just cover your ears and say "BLABLABLA". If you don't like minecraft, don't play it. If you don't like the brokenness of playcube 180's online play, just buy gamebox instead.

Atheists have a problem with having christianity crammed down our children's throats, especially in the classroom. We don't have a problem with the truth. We have a problem with calling stupidity "the truth." Further, we can't "ignore" what is taught in our schools. If we did, we would be wasting our money paying for "education," when we would have to re-teach our children real science, anyway. I'm not familiar with "imabench," and couldn't care less about the result of any debate. The rest of it is irrelevant to any real meaningful topic.

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This is just laughable.
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5/25/2014 10:34:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/25/2014 9:52:35 AM, jh1234l wrote:
Why do atheists disagree with putting creationism into schools and teaching it as science?

Because it has nothing to do with science.

Creationism is part of a specific religious ideology. If it's taught in schools at all, it should be taught as part of a religious studies curriculum. And since public K-12 schools cannot promote religion, and do not need to offer comparative religion as part of a basic communal skill set, there is no reason for such religious studies in K-12 public schools.

Those who want their children to be taught religion, should have their churches do it, or do it themselves.
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5/25/2014 10:54:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/25/2014 9:52:35 AM, jh1234l wrote:
Why do atheists disagree with putting creationism into schools and teaching it as science? Intelligent design is proven true by the Discovery Institute, which coughed out many studies done according to the wedge strategy to disprove evolution already.

Creationism is scientific because evolution is wrong. It states that we came from nowhere and evolved using random chance. It violates the second law of thermodynamics. It is disproven by the lack of transitional fossils and speciation, as well as the cambrian explosion.

Why do atheists have a problem with our reality? Our version of reality according to the Wedge statement is creationism!

Atheists have a problem with the Christian Conservative reality decided by the wedge statement. If you have a problem with the truth, just ignore it. If you have a problem with creationism getting taught in school, just ignore it. After all, if you disagree with something, you should JUST IGNORE IT. If you have a problem with a feature of this site, just don't use it. If you dislike imabench, just don't view his debates. If you get any hate after posting something that offended others, just cover your ears and say "BLABLABLA". If you don't like minecraft, don't play it. If you don't like the brokenness of playcube 180's online play, just buy gamebox instead.

If you don't want a nuke dropped on your house, just ignore the nuke like it will never happen.

First of all, DiscoTute is a freaking joke. So is ICR and AIG.

Anyway, let's assume for a moment that you get your wish and creationism is taught in public schools across the country. Great! Sounds like fun. Where do we begin? And whose version of creationism do we teach?

Swahili, Hopi, Egyptian, Mayan, Chinese, Norse, Shinto, Buddhist, Sumerian, Phoenician, Greek, Celtic, Aztec, Daoist, Hindu, Pangu, Cherokee, Maori, Australian aboriginal, Choctaw, Dogon, Kintu, Tangun, Babylonian, Islamic, or...

Of course not. You want a very specific version of creation from a very specific religion to be taught, all other options be damned. Now you have a First Amendment fight on your hands because the Islamic, Buddhist, and Native American kids in class want their version of creation taught. And then this version and that version, and this one and that one.

Science deals with what we can observe, measure, test, predict, and falsify in a natural universe. But creationism deals with the supernatural, which can't be observed, measured, tested, predicted, and especially, falsified.

Which brings me to something that drives me nuts when dealing with creationists. They love to assert that non-believers think that everything just popped into existence out of nothing. But when was the last time you saw an elephant just happen out of thin air?

In short, creationism must not be taught in public school.
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5/25/2014 12:21:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
First of all let me make this clear, NEITHER Creation nor evolution can ever be PROVEN. They are both explanations of what happened in the past. NO ONE, can use science to prove something happened in the past. There are actually two types of science, observational and forensic. Observational deals with things we can see, touch , and test now. Forensic deals with evidence we see now and makes a conclusion based on the facts. In forensic science, it is absolutely impossible to prove something happened 100%, no matter what the evidence says, unless you were there to see it for yourself. We can, however, prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Since you werent there to witness either evolution or Creation, you cannot be 100% certain either happened.

As to which conclusion I believe should be taught in public schools, I believe that people should be presented with all the evidence and make their own conclusions. For evolution to be the only thing taught in public schools is cramming Darwinism down our throats as they say Christians do with Creation. Darwinism is just as much a religion as Christianity. People in public schools are being forced to accept that there is no God in science and if you disagree you cannot say anything. Evolution has not been proven, yet people are being forced to agree with the opinion of the "best" scientists in the world. This seems completely hypocritical to me.
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5/25/2014 12:40:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/25/2014 9:52:35 AM, jh1234l wrote:
Why do atheists disagree with putting creationism into schools and teaching it as science? Intelligent design is proven true by the Discovery Institute, which coughed out many studies done according to the wedge strategy to disprove evolution already.

Evolution is not disproved. Complete Fossil records of horse and DNA evidence prove theory of evolution.

Creationism is scientific because evolution is wrong. It states that we came from nowhere and evolved using random chance. It violates the second law of thermodynamics. It is disproven by the lack of transitional fossils and speciation, as well as the cambrian explosion.

Creationism in the first place is supposing that God existed all along. After supposing this they say that God created everything. I don't see how science agrees with this.
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5/26/2014 12:01:36 AM
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At 5/25/2014 10:29:04 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
Stop trolling

Why are you against the truth, as decided by the Wedge Document?
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5/26/2014 12:38:22 AM
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At 5/25/2014 12:21:57 PM, merbear2536 wrote:
First of all let me make this clear, NEITHER Creation nor evolution can ever be PROVEN. They are both explanations of what happened in the past. NO ONE, can use science to prove something happened in the past. There are actually two types of science, observational and forensic. Observational deals with things we can see, touch , and test now. Forensic deals with evidence we see now and makes a conclusion based on the facts. In forensic science, it is absolutely impossible to prove something happened 100%, no matter what the evidence says, unless you were there to see it for yourself. We can, however, prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Since you werent there to witness either evolution or Creation, you cannot be 100% certain either happened.

As to which conclusion I believe should be taught in public schools, I believe that people should be presented with all the evidence and make their own conclusions. For evolution to be the only thing taught in public schools is cramming Darwinism down our throats as they say Christians do with Creation. Darwinism is just as much a religion as Christianity. People in public schools are being forced to accept that there is no God in science and if you disagree you cannot say anything. Evolution has not been proven, yet people are being forced to agree with the opinion of the "best" scientists in the world. This seems completely hypocritical to me.

Don't ya love it when they use the term darwinism. Well I guess a 150yr old hypothesis is new to people who believe in 3000yr old folktales.
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5/27/2014 11:34:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/25/2014 12:21:57 PM, merbear2536 wrote:
First of all let me make this clear, NEITHER Creation nor evolution can ever be PROVEN. They are both explanations of what happened in the past. NO ONE, can use science to prove something happened in the past. There are actually two types of science, observational and forensic. Observational deals with things we can see, touch , and test now. Forensic deals with evidence we see now and makes a conclusion based on the facts. In forensic science, it is absolutely impossible to prove something happened 100%, no matter what the evidence says, unless you were there to see it for yourself. We can, however, prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Since you werent there to witness either evolution or Creation, you cannot be 100% certain either happened.

Technically speaking, nothing in science is 100% certain. Science relies on evidence. Everything is contingent upon, and can change, with evidence, which means that any claim, cannot be determined with 100% certainty, because no one can predict the future or have absolute knowledge and know that no evidence that would contradict it, would ever come up.

As to which conclusion I believe should be taught in public schools, I believe that people should be presented with all the evidence and make their own conclusions. For evolution to be the only thing taught in public schools is cramming Darwinism down our throats as they say Christians do with Creation. Darwinism is just as much a religion as Christianity. People in public schools are being forced to accept that there is no God in science and if you disagree you cannot say anything. Evolution has not been proven, yet people are being forced to agree with the opinion of the "best" scientists in the world. This seems completely hypocritical to me.

First off, letting children choose, goes against everything that science is built upon. Science isnt a democracy. Science isnt determined by popular opinion. Science isnt determined by voting. Letting children choose in science classrooms, is contrary to what science actually is. You might as well be letting children choose whether they could learn chinese or russian in an english class. Dont you think that English teachers would object to this?

Secondly, why would you let children decide? Children have barely made it past the first hurdle of scientific understanding and expertise. Many of the more complex aspects of evolution are taught in university. There are entire semesters dedicated to specific topics regarding evolution. Certainly, children would not have enough knowledge, or time, to learn these. Children do not make the decisions as to what the curriculum for the school is. We dont let the children decide what should and shouldnt be taught. So why would we let the children choose with this?

Thirdly, How is darwinism a religion?

Fourthly, how is teaching evolution, forcing people to accept that there is no God?

Gravity, doesnt necessitate or include God in any way. Is teaching Gravity, forcing people to accept that there is no God?

Fifthly, where do you draw the line? Are you going to teach the Hindu creation story as well? The Buddhist creation story? Egyptian creation story? And what about the other things in science that are taught, that contradict specific religions and beliefs? Alchemy taught alongside Chemistry? Astronomy taught alongside Astrology? Do you understand that there are literally thousands of beliefs out there that contradict what is being taught in science classrooms? Should we teach all of it, and let the children decide?

Sixthly, since there is no such thing as proof in science, youre right, evolution hasnt been proven. But it has been accepted as science, and it is the only theory that adequately explains the evidence, alongside having the most evidence to support it, while having the least amount of evidence(as in, none) that contradict it. Its not an opinion by the loosest definition of the term, because it is based on evidence.
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5/31/2014 9:09:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
It violates the second law of thermodynamics.
Tell me the other laws. Also, go to Google and search "thermodynamics equations" in images and if you understand them, then we can talk about thermodynamics.
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5/31/2014 9:11:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/31/2014 9:09:33 AM, patrick967 wrote:
It violates the second law of thermodynamics.
Tell me the other laws. Also, go to Google and search "thermodynamics equations" in images and if you understand them, then we can talk about thermodynamics.

Ask him to do it without consulting Google or physics book. Now that I'd love to see.