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5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM
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Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.
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5/26/2014 5:45:59 PM
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At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

And if the love is for religious fundamentalism, then a person blows himself up.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

Atheists feel the same way.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Actually atheism in itself says nothing on the topic. But science is concerned about how love works. Science does explain love in terms of neurotransmitters. A person's emotions can be very strong and science does not say otherwise.
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5/26/2014 5:53:07 PM
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At 5/26/2014 5:45:59 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

And if the love is for religious fundamentalism, then a person blows himself up.

Love is recognized, not for.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

Atheists feel the same way.

I agree because we are all humans regardless of our beliefs or disbeliefs. The arguments is how do you rationalize it?

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Actually atheism in itself says nothing on the topic. But science is concerned about how love works. Science does explain love in terms of neurotransmitters. A person's emotions can be very strong and science does not say otherwise.

Does science give an explanation of the cause or the physical effect? Because I think that something metaphysical can have effects that transcend beyond physical measures
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5/26/2014 6:00:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Yes great point, love is a central part of our existence, without it we are as good as dead or at least mentally.
This is a good indicator that love is a central part of God if He exists, how interesting and moving that is.

1 John 4

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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5/26/2014 6:09:57 PM
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At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

You're talking about materialism/reductionism, not atheism.
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5/26/2014 6:12:52 PM
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At 5/26/2014 6:09:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

You're talking about materialism/reductionism, not atheism.

Well so you believe that atheism is compatible with anything metaphysical?
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5/26/2014 6:13:59 PM
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At 5/26/2014 6:12:52 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:09:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

You're talking about materialism/reductionism, not atheism.

Well so you believe that atheism is compatible with anything metaphysical?

? Why not? Our world is one of many metaphysically possible worlds.
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5/26/2014 6:21:57 PM
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At 5/26/2014 6:12:52 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:09:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

You're talking about materialism/reductionism, not atheism.

Well so you believe that atheism is compatible with anything metaphysical?

A Judeo-Christian deity is not the only metaphysical possibility.
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5/26/2014 6:26:46 PM
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At 5/26/2014 6:13:59 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:12:52 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:09:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

You're talking about materialism/reductionism, not atheism.

Well so you believe that atheism is compatible with anything metaphysical?

? Why not? Our world is one of many metaphysically possible worlds.

Do you believe that anything metaphysical is possible with neo-Darwin atheism?
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5/26/2014 6:27:34 PM
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At 5/26/2014 6:21:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:12:52 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:09:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

You're talking about materialism/reductionism, not atheism.

Well so you believe that atheism is compatible with anything metaphysical?

A Judeo-Christian deity is not the only metaphysical possibility.

Right, but do you believe metaphysical possibility is possible with atheism? And why?
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5/26/2014 6:29:46 PM
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At 5/26/2014 6:26:46 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:13:59 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:12:52 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:09:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

You're talking about materialism/reductionism, not atheism.

Well so you believe that atheism is compatible with anything metaphysical?

? Why not? Our world is one of many metaphysically possible worlds.

Do you believe that anything metaphysical is possible with neo-Darwin atheism?

I don't think you understand what "metaphysical" means....

And "neo-Darwin" whatever only applies to this specific planet, in this specific metaphysical universe. It might apply to others, but we don't know.
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5/26/2014 6:33:15 PM
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At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Strawman fallacy. Atheism =/= physicalism. Just look at Chalmers' philosophy.
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5/26/2014 6:36:51 PM
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All of you are using "metaphysical" and "metaphysical possibility" wrong. Lol
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5/26/2014 6:38:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/26/2014 6:29:46 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:26:46 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:13:59 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:12:52 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:09:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

You're talking about materialism/reductionism, not atheism.

Well so you believe that atheism is compatible with anything metaphysical?

? Why not? Our world is one of many metaphysically possible worlds.

Do you believe that anything metaphysical is possible with neo-Darwin atheism?

I don't think you understand what "metaphysical" means....

And "neo-Darwin" whatever only applies to this specific planet, in this specific metaphysical universe. It might apply to others, but we don't know.

By "metaphysical" I mean anything that transcends space, time, energy, or matter. Do you think anything like this possibly exists?
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5/26/2014 6:39:10 PM
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At 5/26/2014 6:33:15 PM, n7 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Strawman fallacy. Atheism =/= physicalism. Just look at Chalmers' philosophy.

How could atheism - AKA naturalism, be compatible with atheism?
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5/26/2014 6:44:47 PM
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At 5/26/2014 6:39:10 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:33:15 PM, n7 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Strawman fallacy. Atheism =/= physicalism. Just look at Chalmers' philosophy.

How could atheism - AKA naturalism, be compatible with atheism?i

I guess what I mean here is, what's the divergence between these two point of views on metaphysical possibilities?
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5/26/2014 6:55:10 PM
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At 5/26/2014 6:27:34 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:21:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:12:52 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:09:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

You're talking about materialism/reductionism, not atheism.

Well so you believe that atheism is compatible with anything metaphysical?

A Judeo-Christian deity is not the only metaphysical possibility.

Right, but do you believe metaphysical possibility is possible with atheism? And why?

Given that a deity is not the only metaphysical possibility, there is no reason to suppose that atheism, which is merely the lack of belief in a deity, is incompatible with the metaphysical.
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5/26/2014 7:07:34 PM
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At 5/26/2014 6:55:10 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:27:34 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:21:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:12:52 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:09:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

You're talking about materialism/reductionism, not atheism.

Well so you believe that atheism is compatible with anything metaphysical?

A Judeo-Christian deity is not the only metaphysical possibility.

Right, but do you believe metaphysical possibility is possible with atheism? And why?

Given that a deity is not the only metaphysical possibility, there is no reason to suppose that atheism, which is merely the lack of belief in a deity, is incompatible with the metaphysical.

If atheism relies on everything physical to describe the origin of the universe, how does it explain anything possibly metaphysical?
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5/26/2014 7:15:39 PM
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At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Awesome post! I'm very glad you made it. George Price was an American population geneticist who became famous for creating a theorem which supposedly proved that altruism was a natural evolutionary trait. After creating it, however, Price began to be drawn to a countless number of acts of altruism he saw happening all around him, and for which he had no explanation. He was so moved that he denounced his theorem and converted to Christianity, eventually donating all his belongings to the poor and starting the practice of volunteering for charitable services. He tried to prove that his theorem was wrong, but could only reach a stalemate, so like with everything else it has become a matter of which version you accept. I very much accept that altruism springs from free will.
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5/26/2014 7:17:03 PM
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At 5/26/2014 6:38:07 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:29:46 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:26:46 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:13:59 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:12:52 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 5/26/2014 6:09:57 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

You're talking about materialism/reductionism, not atheism.

Well so you believe that atheism is compatible with anything metaphysical?

? Why not? Our world is one of many metaphysically possible worlds.

Do you believe that anything metaphysical is possible with neo-Darwin atheism?

I don't think you understand what "metaphysical" means....

And "neo-Darwin" whatever only applies to this specific planet, in this specific metaphysical universe. It might apply to others, but we don't know.

By "metaphysical" I mean anything that transcends space, time, energy, or matter. Do you think anything like this possibly exists?

Sure, why not?

It could also be the case that idealism is true, too, and have a worldview still compatible with atheism. Atheism only addresses the existance of God... Which is just one of many metaphysical possibilities.
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5/26/2014 7:23:55 PM
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At 5/26/2014 5:45:59 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

And if the love is for religious fundamentalism, then a person blows himself up.

Yes, it's called free-choice. You can choose to do good, choose to do bad, or choose to do nothing at all. :)

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

Atheists feel the same way.

Everybody feels the same way. That's the whole point.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Actually atheism in itself says nothing on the topic. But science is concerned about how love works. Science does explain love in terms of neurotransmitters. A person's emotions can be very strong and science does not say otherwise.

Actually it does. It's called the Price Equation, a theorem which purports to prove that altruism is an evolutionary trait. Mr. Price changed his mind about his equation not long after creating it, however.
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5/26/2014 7:39:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/26/2014 6:33:15 PM, n7 wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Strawman fallacy. Atheism =/= physicalism. Just look at Chalmers' philosophy.

Chalmers is a dualist, but a naturalistic dualist. He believes in a hard problem of consciousness (phenomenal) which is separated from the easy problem (cognitive) by a large gap in our ability to explain them. How is what n7 said a strawman fallacy?
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5/26/2014 10:15:00 PM
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At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

So you claim that having something give you love and the capacity for love is somehow superior to me supplying it all by myself. You need something outside yourself, something greater than yourself to achieve what I can do on my own and you consider that to be advantageous to you.
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5/26/2014 10:28:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/26/2014 7:23:55 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:45:59 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

And if the love is for religious fundamentalism, then a person blows himself up.

Yes, it's called free-choice. You can choose to do good, choose to do bad, or choose to do nothing at all. :)

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

Atheists feel the same way.

Everybody feels the same way. That's the whole point.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Actually atheism in itself says nothing on the topic. But science is concerned about how love works. Science does explain love in terms of neurotransmitters. A person's emotions can be very strong and science does not say otherwise.

Actually it does. It's called the Price Equation, a theorem which purports to prove that altruism is an evolutionary trait. Mr. Price changed his mind about his equation not long after creating it, however.

Price Equation. How many atheist countries believe in this. Sure I agree that morality is due to genetic factors but what has the Price equation got to do with official atheist stance.
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5/26/2014 11:07:26 PM
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At 5/26/2014 10:28:44 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 5/26/2014 7:23:55 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:45:59 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

And if the love is for religious fundamentalism, then a person blows himself up.

Yes, it's called free-choice. You can choose to do good, choose to do bad, or choose to do nothing at all. :)

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

Atheists feel the same way.

Everybody feels the same way. That's the whole point.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Actually atheism in itself says nothing on the topic. But science is concerned about how love works. Science does explain love in terms of neurotransmitters. A person's emotions can be very strong and science does not say otherwise.

Actually it does. It's called the Price Equation, a theorem which purports to prove that altruism is an evolutionary trait. Mr. Price changed his mind about his equation not long after creating it, however.

Price Equation. How many atheist countries believe in this. Sure I agree that morality is due to genetic factors but what has the Price equation got to do with official atheist stance.

Ahhh....this is far too deep a question to answer on here, but all it takes is a little background reading on your part. The Price equation gave scientists a Darwinist explanation for human love and altruism in a nice, neat mathematical equation. It doesn't get much better than that. In fact, his equation is still the excepted explanation today for why humans display altruism toward each other. It got him on the cover of several magazines, and it's what established him as an important scientist among his peers. It had (and still has) a tremendous impact.
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5/27/2014 2:10:59 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/26/2014 7:15:39 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Awesome post! I'm very glad you made it. George Price was an American population geneticist who became famous for creating a theorem which supposedly proved that altruism was a natural evolutionary trait. After creating it, however, Price began to be drawn to a countless number of acts of altruism he saw happening all around him, and for which he had no explanation. He was so moved that he denounced his theorem and converted to Christianity, eventually donating all his belongings to the poor and starting the practice of volunteering for charitable services. He tried to prove that his theorem was wrong, but could only reach a stalemate, so like with everything else it has become a matter of which version you accept. I very much accept that altruism springs from free will.

+1 Right on point to OP.

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5/27/2014 2:58:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 2:10:59 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/26/2014 7:15:39 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Awesome post! I'm very glad you made it. George Price was an American population geneticist who became famous for creating a theorem which supposedly proved that altruism was a natural evolutionary trait. After creating it, however, Price began to be drawn to a countless number of acts of altruism he saw happening all around him, and for which he had no explanation. He was so moved that he denounced his theorem and converted to Christianity, eventually donating all his belongings to the poor and starting the practice of volunteering for charitable services. He tried to prove that his theorem was wrong, but could only reach a stalemate, so like with everything else it has become a matter of which version you accept. I very much accept that altruism springs from free will.

+1 Right on point to OP.

*applause*

And didn't Einstein add a constant to his theory even though it didn't need it?
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5/27/2014 3:02:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 2:58:08 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/27/2014 2:10:59 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/26/2014 7:15:39 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Awesome post! I'm very glad you made it. George Price was an American population geneticist who became famous for creating a theorem which supposedly proved that altruism was a natural evolutionary trait. After creating it, however, Price began to be drawn to a countless number of acts of altruism he saw happening all around him, and for which he had no explanation. He was so moved that he denounced his theorem and converted to Christianity, eventually donating all his belongings to the poor and starting the practice of volunteering for charitable services. He tried to prove that his theorem was wrong, but could only reach a stalemate, so like with everything else it has become a matter of which version you accept. I very much accept that altruism springs from free will.

+1 Right on point to OP.

*applause*

And didn't Einstein add a constant to his theory even though it didn't need it?

That constant is being used again today by scientist to account for their observations.
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5/27/2014 3:06:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/27/2014 3:02:27 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/27/2014 2:58:08 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/27/2014 2:10:59 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/26/2014 7:15:39 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Awesome post! I'm very glad you made it. George Price was an American population geneticist who became famous for creating a theorem which supposedly proved that altruism was a natural evolutionary trait. After creating it, however, Price began to be drawn to a countless number of acts of altruism he saw happening all around him, and for which he had no explanation. He was so moved that he denounced his theorem and converted to Christianity, eventually donating all his belongings to the poor and starting the practice of volunteering for charitable services. He tried to prove that his theorem was wrong, but could only reach a stalemate, so like with everything else it has become a matter of which version you accept. I very much accept that altruism springs from free will.

+1 Right on point to OP.

*applause*

And didn't Einstein add a constant to his theory even though it didn't need it?

That constant is being used again today by scientist to account for their observations.

So he said his theory wasn't correct and altered it, even though it could have been?
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5/27/2014 3:12:31 AM
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At 5/27/2014 3:06:58 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/27/2014 3:02:27 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/27/2014 2:58:08 AM, AlbinoBunny wrote:
At 5/27/2014 2:10:59 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 5/26/2014 7:15:39 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 5/26/2014 5:21:18 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
Love is the most powerful intangible force in our existence. People run into burning buildings knowing that they sacrifice everything and risk unimaginable pain just so another human being can live.

Love has many forms. Brotherly love, romantic love, love for a child, love for the sake of seeing the good in something.

If atheism is true, and our existence is the result of random physical processes, then love is merely the structural placement of electro-chemicals in our brain. But love transcends our own desires. Its effect can't be physically or quantitatively measured. It's a force so powerful that the essence of our being craves and thrives on it. How do you reconcile the immense magnitude of this force to physical wants and needs? Clearly it transcends them.

Awesome post! I'm very glad you made it. George Price was an American population geneticist who became famous for creating a theorem which supposedly proved that altruism was a natural evolutionary trait. After creating it, however, Price began to be drawn to a countless number of acts of altruism he saw happening all around him, and for which he had no explanation. He was so moved that he denounced his theorem and converted to Christianity, eventually donating all his belongings to the poor and starting the practice of volunteering for charitable services. He tried to prove that his theorem was wrong, but could only reach a stalemate, so like with everything else it has become a matter of which version you accept. I very much accept that altruism springs from free will.

+1 Right on point to OP.

*applause*

And didn't Einstein add a constant to his theory even though it didn't need it?

That constant is being used again today by scientist to account for their observations.

So he said his theory wasn't correct and altered it, even though it could have been?

Einstein thought his theory was false because it did not match the status quo for a stagnant eternal universe. That is why he added the cosmological constant in. Now the same constant is being used again to account for dark energy and other unobservable things. It is brought back to make the math work with what people want the universe to be.

This is a great topic. Why is it people think if you can explain how something works you remove God from the equation? So what if love is a chemical reaction in the brain. Explaining How is not explaining Why.