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Atheism vs Religious Value

MozartLink
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6/11/2014 12:21:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I"m an atheist with the mentality of a religious person who seeks self-enlightenment and even though a positive perspective can be achieved through atheism, some people are better off with their positive perception of religion. Atheism recognizes the reality of situations (in this case, there being no God and no afterlife). Even though it is good to recognize the reality of a situation in most cases, this is not always the case. In situations where not recognizing the reality of a situation does no harm to you or anyone else and brings you personal pleasure, then recognizing the reality of the situation is pointless. In other words, since believing in God and such would do me no harm and wouldn"t make me harm others and would bring me personal pleasure in life, it would be pointless for me to be an atheist that I am now.

I am going to add something here for people who think that atheism has more value than any amount of pleasure through religious belief (even perhaps the greatest amount of pleasure a human being can have through belief in religion). No amount of intelligence or great things we do in life will ever make up for a lack of pleasure because in order to have such value towards these things is to have pleasure in the first place (as pleasure is what allows us to give value in terms of emotion towards these things). So it would be illogical to say that these things have greater value than our pleasure. Now if you were to somehow have value towards something with no pleasure, then this value would be nothing as it is nothing more than a thought. Pleasure is what gives any notion of value life and without pleasure, it would be completely dead. Therefore, pleasure is the only thing that matters and any notion of value is just a thought and nothing more.
Kostakv
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6/11/2014 1:40:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
If it was only about pleasure, then humans would have never evolved into the state that we are today. Pleasure can be bad for us and good for us, there must be something else that matters...
tkubok
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6/11/2014 11:06:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 1:40:52 PM, Kostakv wrote:
If it was only about pleasure, then humans would have never evolved into the state that we are today. Pleasure can be bad for us and good for us, there must be something else that matters...

Well, yes and no. An argument could certainly be made by the fact that at some level, there is some form of pleasure at work. If you have a dead end job that you thoroughly hate, the pleasure comes from the fact that you get paid and make money. If youre a slave, being beaten and forced to work, there comes some pleasure in the notion that if you didnt work, you would be beaten more severely and possibly be killed.

I certainly wouldnt agree that pleasure is the only thing that matters.
Hematite12
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6/11/2014 11:17:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/11/2014 12:21:32 AM, MozartLink wrote:
I"m an atheist with the mentality of a religious person who seeks self-enlightenment and even though a positive perspective can be achieved through atheism, some people are better off with their positive perception of religion. Atheism recognizes the reality of situations (in this case, there being no God and no afterlife). Even though it is good to recognize the reality of a situation in most cases, this is not always the case. In situations where not recognizing the reality of a situation does no harm to you or anyone else and brings you personal pleasure, then recognizing the reality of the situation is pointless. In other words, since believing in God and such would do me no harm and wouldn"t make me harm others and would bring me personal pleasure in life, it would be pointless for me to be an atheist that I am now.

I am going to add something here for people who think that atheism has more value than any amount of pleasure through religious belief (even perhaps the greatest amount of pleasure a human being can have through belief in religion). No amount of intelligence or great things we do in life will ever make up for a lack of pleasure because in order to have such value towards these things is to have pleasure in the first place (as pleasure is what allows us to give value in terms of emotion towards these things). So it would be illogical to say that these things have greater value than our pleasure. Now if you were to somehow have value towards something with no pleasure, then this value would be nothing as it is nothing more than a thought. Pleasure is what gives any notion of value life and without pleasure, it would be completely dead. Therefore, pleasure is the only thing that matters and any notion of value is just a thought and nothing more.

I'm prepared to make a lengthy response, but please clarify if the agent's own pleasure is all that has value, or if the pleasure of the others outside of the agent should be weighed by the agent when determining values?