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6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night
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6/21/2014 9:52:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Sunlight= day, moonlight and starlight= night
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6/21/2014 7:52:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2014 9:52:54 AM, Measure wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Sunlight= day, moonlight and starlight= night

Looky here newt.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.
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6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.
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6/21/2014 11:19:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

There is no light source mentioned here. The bible says sun was made in verse 1:16.
Another interesting point about 1:5 is why does he need to "divide" light from darkness? If light was "created," then doesn"t this automatically define light as separate from darkness?
Scientific Errors In Religion : Atheists are right that religion is a myth

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6/21/2014 11:25:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.

The Bible is for human use. That is why the words used are those which humans can understand.
Genesis 1 is not a vision. Night and day are dependent on a constant light source such as the sun.There is no light source mentioned here. The bible says sun was made in verse 1:16.
Another interesting point about 1:5 is why does he need to "divide" light from darkness? If light was "created," then doesn"t this automatically define light as separate from darkness?
Scientific Errors In Religion : Atheists are right that religion is a myth

Read this topic on below link:

http://www.debate.org...
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6/21/2014 11:32:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.

So god didn't call the light day and the dark night?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/22/2014 12:37:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.

Why bother learning what a sentence meant to the audience or language it was being written in?

The skeptic wants to say a man wrote the bible. That the meanings and verses are from a man's mind. Then 5000 years later they want to look at an English translation so removed from the original Hebrew that they make it sound like nonsense.

Even if you accept the Torah was written by mankind, you still should interpret it in the native language.

There are so many small things in the Hebrew that can not EVER be expressed in English.

Literal translations are amazing in their form. For instance some of the same nouns and verbs used for a geographical location, are also temporal in meaning. We know today that time and space are one in the same.

But I digress. It is just wholly incoherent to interpret and argue the lines as so many non- or anti-theist do.

The are not alone. Christians read and add to the meaning as well. But I have never seen a literal translation of the Hebrew fail to make a line clearer. It may not answer the questions you want answered, but it certainly adds to one's understanding.

And verses do not have to be all one kind of interpretation. The can be in a systematic A-1-2, B-1-2, C-1-2. Where the letters are chronological literal passages and 1-2's are metaphorical.

And you have to study a little numerology because that plays a big part to.

Any ways you won't get an accurate answer of meaning out of the likes of Bulprof.
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6/22/2014 12:52:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 12:37:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.

Why bother learning what a sentence meant to the audience or language it was being written in?

The skeptic wants to say a man wrote the bible. That the meanings and verses are from a man's mind. Then 5000 years later they want to look at an English translation so removed from the original Hebrew that they make it sound like nonsense.

Even if you accept the Torah was written by mankind, you still should interpret it in the native language.

There are so many small things in the Hebrew that can not EVER be expressed in English.

Literal translations are amazing in their form. For instance some of the same nouns and verbs used for a geographical location, are also temporal in meaning. We know today that time and space are one in the same.

But I digress. It is just wholly incoherent to interpret and argue the lines as so many non- or anti-theist do.

The are not alone. Christians read and add to the meaning as well. But I have never seen a literal translation of the Hebrew fail to make a line clearer. It may not answer the questions you want answered, but it certainly adds to one's understanding.

And verses do not have to be all one kind of interpretation. The can be in a systematic A-1-2, B-1-2, C-1-2. Where the letters are chronological literal passages and 1-2's are metaphorical.

And you have to study a little numerology because that plays a big part to.

Any ways you won't get an accurate answer of meaning out of the likes of Bulprof.

hahahahaha
I'm the one asking the question, not answering it.
You are the one pontificating in an attempt to avoid answering the question just as you do in many threads. You are afraid of the answers.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/22/2014 1:01:43 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 12:52:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 12:37:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.

Why bother learning what a sentence meant to the audience or language it was being written in?

The skeptic wants to say a man wrote the bible. That the meanings and verses are from a man's mind. Then 5000 years later they want to look at an English translation so removed from the original Hebrew that they make it sound like nonsense.

Even if you accept the Torah was written by mankind, you still should interpret it in the native language.

There are so many small things in the Hebrew that can not EVER be expressed in English.

Literal translations are amazing in their form. For instance some of the same nouns and verbs used for a geographical location, are also temporal in meaning. We know today that time and space are one in the same.

But I digress. It is just wholly incoherent to interpret and argue the lines as so many non- or anti-theist do.

The are not alone. Christians read and add to the meaning as well. But I have never seen a literal translation of the Hebrew fail to make a line clearer. It may not answer the questions you want answered, but it certainly adds to one's understanding.

And verses do not have to be all one kind of interpretation. The can be in a systematic A-1-2, B-1-2, C-1-2. Where the letters are chronological literal passages and 1-2's are metaphorical.

And you have to study a little numerology because that plays a big part to.

Any ways you won't get an accurate answer of meaning out of the likes of Bulprof.

hahahahaha
I'm the one asking the question, not answering it.
You are the one pontificating in an attempt to avoid answering the question just as you do in many threads. You are afraid of the answers.

I'm not afraid of where the truth leads. I have already explained some verse to you and you still repeat the same questions.

The meaning is "To Separate"

Do you know what separate means? The verb "To Separate" means: divide or cause to divide into constituent or distinct elements.

That's all there is to it. That's the simplest way I can put it to you, for you to understand.

As with most Hebrew things there is meaning reading it literally, meaning in the poetry, meaning in the consonants used. BUT for YOU this is the only meaning I imagine you are capable of understanding.
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6/22/2014 1:09:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
"At 6/22/2014 12:52:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 12:37:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.

Why bother learning what a sentence meant to the audience or language it was being written in?

The skeptic wants to say a man wrote the bible. That the meanings and verses are from a man's mind. Then 5000 years later they want to look at an English translation so removed from the original Hebrew that they make it sound like nonsense.

Even if you accept the Torah was written by mankind, you still should interpret it in the native language.

There are so many small things in the Hebrew that can not EVER be expressed in English.

Literal translations are amazing in their form. For instance some of the same nouns and verbs used for a geographical location, are also temporal in meaning. We know today that time and space are one in the same.

But I digress. It is just wholly incoherent to interpret and argue the lines as so many non- or anti-theist do.

The are not alone. Christians read and add to the meaning as well. But I have never seen a literal translation of the Hebrew fail to make a line clearer. It may not answer the questions you want answered, but it certainly adds to one's understanding.

And verses do not have to be all one kind of interpretation. The can be in a systematic A-1-2, B-1-2, C-1-2. Where the letters are chronological literal passages and 1-2's are metaphorical.

And you have to study a little numerology because that plays a big part to.

Any ways you won't get an accurate answer of meaning out of the likes of Bulprof.

hahahahaha
I'm the one asking the question, not answering it.
You are the one pontificating in an attempt to avoid answering the question just as you do in many threads. You are afraid of the answers.

I'm not afraid of where the truth leads. I have already explained some verse to you and you still repeat the same questions.

The meaning is "To Separate"

Do you know what separate means? The verb "To Separate" means: divide or cause to divide into constituent or distinct elements.

That's all there is to it. That's the simplest way I can put it to you, for you to understand.

As with most Hebrew things there is meaning reading it literally, meaning in the poetry, meaning in the consonants used. BUT for YOU this is the only meaning I imagine you are capable of understanding.
"

I think that wraps that up quite well.
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6/22/2014 1:26:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 1:01:43 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 12:52:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 12:37:38 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.

Why bother learning what a sentence meant to the audience or language it was being written in?

The skeptic wants to say a man wrote the bible. That the meanings and verses are from a man's mind. Then 5000 years later they want to look at an English translation so removed from the original Hebrew that they make it sound like nonsense.

Even if you accept the Torah was written by mankind, you still should interpret it in the native language.

There are so many small things in the Hebrew that can not EVER be expressed in English.

Literal translations are amazing in their form. For instance some of the same nouns and verbs used for a geographical location, are also temporal in meaning. We know today that time and space are one in the same.

But I digress. It is just wholly incoherent to interpret and argue the lines as so many non- or anti-theist do.

The are not alone. Christians read and add to the meaning as well. But I have never seen a literal translation of the Hebrew fail to make a line clearer. It may not answer the questions you want answered, but it certainly adds to one's understanding.

And verses do not have to be all one kind of interpretation. The can be in a systematic A-1-2, B-1-2, C-1-2. Where the letters are chronological literal passages and 1-2's are metaphorical.

And you have to study a little numerology because that plays a big part to.

Any ways you won't get an accurate answer of meaning out of the likes of Bulprof.

hahahahaha
I'm the one asking the question, not answering it.
You are the one pontificating in an attempt to avoid answering the question just as you do in many threads. You are afraid of the answers.

I'm not afraid of where the truth leads. I have already explained some verse to you and you still repeat the same questions.

The meaning is "To Separate"

Do you know what separate means? The verb "To Separate" means: divide or cause to divide into constituent or distinct elements.

That's all there is to it. That's the simplest way I can put it to you, for you to understand.

As with most Hebrew things there is meaning reading it literally, meaning in the poetry, meaning in the consonants used. BUT for YOU this is the only meaning I imagine you are capable of understanding.

So if you translated the bible you would replace this
And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night
With
To separate.

Do you think that makes any sense?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/22/2014 1:32:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Here I did it for you.
And God saw that the light was good. To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/22/2014 1:40:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 1:32:58 AM, bulproof wrote:
Here I did it for you.
And God saw that the light was good. To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

No the whole thing is an action. A singular event that occurred, is occurring, will continue to occur. Did Separate, Separates, will Separate.

Replace the whole verse with "to separate".
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6/22/2014 1:45:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 1:40:37 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:32:58 AM, bulproof wrote:
Here I did it for you.
And God saw that the light was good. To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

No the whole thing is an action. A singular event that occurred, is occurring, will continue to occur. Did Separate, Separates, will Separate.

Replace the whole verse with "to separate".
You mean like this?
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/22/2014 1:48:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 1:45:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:40:37 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:32:58 AM, bulproof wrote:
Here I did it for you.
And God saw that the light was good. To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

No the whole thing is an action. A singular event that occurred, is occurring, will continue to occur. Did Separate, Separates, will Separate.

Replace the whole verse with "to separate".
You mean like this?
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:4 "to separate"
Gen 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.

Like that. When you can tell me the meaning of separate. We can be one baby jerky step forward to understanding anything.
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6/22/2014 1:48:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Life separates that which we know ( light, understanding, revelation, wisdom) from that which we do not know ( darkness, ignorance, stupidity, foolishness)
Day or Light is symbolic of revelation.
Night or darkness is symbolic of ignorance.
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6/22/2014 1:50:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

In what language did he first create the words? ;-)
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6/22/2014 1:57:48 AM
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At 6/21/2014 11:25:40 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.

The Bible is for human use. That is why the words used are those which humans can understand.
Genesis 1 is not a vision. Night and day are dependent on a constant light source such as the sun.There is no light source mentioned here. The bible says sun was made in verse 1:16.
Another interesting point about 1:5 is why does he need to "divide" light from darkness? If light was "created," then doesn"t this automatically define light as separate from darkness?

Light is knowledge and understanding. It is referring to revelation not to any physical light.
Revelation automatically divides what you know ( Light) from what you don't know (darkness) There is no effort needed on the part of any supernatural being. It is a simple cause and effect. Turn on a light and it divides and dispels darkness. The light makes a path through the darkness.
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6/22/2014 1:59:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 1:48:18 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:45:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:40:37 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:32:58 AM, bulproof wrote:
Here I did it for you.
And God saw that the light was good. To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

No the whole thing is an action. A singular event that occurred, is occurring, will continue to occur. Did Separate, Separates, will Separate.

Replace the whole verse with "to separate".
You mean like this?
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:4 "to separate"
Gen 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.
Nah, go back and read where you claimed that this
And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night
means "To Separate"

Like that. When you can tell me the meaning of separate. We can be one baby jerky step forward to understanding anything.
You have a long way to go before you can justify the nonsense you've produced here.
Questions getting too hard for ya?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/22/2014 2:06:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 1:57:48 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/21/2014 11:25:40 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.

The Bible is for human use. That is why the words used are those which humans can understand.
Genesis 1 is not a vision. Night and day are dependent on a constant light source such as the sun.There is no light source mentioned here. The bible says sun was made in verse 1:16.
Another interesting point about 1:5 is why does he need to "divide" light from darkness? If light was "created," then doesn"t this automatically define light as separate from darkness?

Light is knowledge and understanding. It is referring to revelation not to any physical light.
Revelation automatically divides what you know ( Light) from what you don't know (darkness) There is no effort needed on the part of any supernatural being. It is a simple cause and effect. Turn on a light and it divides and dispels darkness. The light makes a path through the darkness.

The head can look down and see the body. It is at the top. But the head can not see itself. You can see your shoulders down. But the head is where the knowledge of the body is contained. But the head has no knowledge of itself. It can not see itself.

Except through a reflection. The head knows itself through looking at something else it creates.

A singularity is a point defined by where it is not. Not defined by where it is.

So it is was and is in the beginning.
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6/22/2014 2:11:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 1:59:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:48:18 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:45:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:40:37 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:32:58 AM, bulproof wrote:
Here I did it for you.
And God saw that the light was good. To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

No the whole thing is an action. A singular event that occurred, is occurring, will continue to occur. Did Separate, Separates, will Separate.

Replace the whole verse with "to separate".
You mean like this?
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:4 "to separate"
Gen 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.
Nah, go back and read where you claimed that this
And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night
means "To Separate"

Like that. When you can tell me the meaning of separate. We can be one baby jerky step forward to understanding anything.
You have a long way to go before you can justify the nonsense you've produced here.
Questions getting too hard for ya?

This is how I am explaining Gen 1:4 to you, now.

Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:4 "to separate"
Gen 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--one day.
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6/22/2014 2:15:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 1:45:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:40:37 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:32:58 AM, bulproof wrote:
Here I did it for you.
And God saw that the light was good. To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

No the whole thing is an action. A singular event that occurred, is occurring, will continue to occur. Did Separate, Separates, will Separate.

Replace the whole verse with "to separate".
You mean like this?
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

1. In the beginning LIFE created the spiritual and the physical.
2.The physical was not yet formed. It was invisible. The ignorant knew nothing about it.
3. Life said "Let knowledge and understanding exist" and they did.
4. That revelation divided the wise from the ignorant.
5. The Day is symbolic of revelation, light, understanding. Night is symbolic of ignorance, darkness, lack of comprehension. Revelation and ignorance together are what make up our knowledge and understanding ( LIGHT, DAY).
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6/22/2014 2:26:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 2:06:25 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:57:48 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/21/2014 11:25:40 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.

The Bible is for human use. That is why the words used are those which humans can understand.
Genesis 1 is not a vision. Night and day are dependent on a constant light source such as the sun.There is no light source mentioned here. The bible says sun was made in verse 1:16.
Another interesting point about 1:5 is why does he need to "divide" light from darkness? If light was "created," then doesn"t this automatically define light as separate from darkness?

Light is knowledge and understanding. It is referring to revelation not to any physical light.
Revelation automatically divides what you know ( Light) from what you don't know (darkness) There is no effort needed on the part of any supernatural being. It is a simple cause and effect. Turn on a light and it divides and dispels darkness. The light makes a path through the darkness.

The head can look down and see the body. It is at the top. But the head can not see itself. You can see your shoulders down. But the head is where the knowledge of the body is contained. But the head has no knowledge of itself. It can not see itself.

Except through a reflection. The head knows itself through looking at something else it creates.


Life creates living things in its own image. Some of those living things recognize their own image and others do not. Some life forms are intelligent and others are not.

A singularity is a point defined by where it is not. Not defined by where it is.

A singularity is a hypothetical abstract thing which does not exist in physical reality.

So it is was and is in the beginning.

The beginning is where it is not. It is also the end which also is where it is not.
The beginning and end exist and do not exist at the same time.
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6/22/2014 2:26:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 2:11:23 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:59:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:48:18 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:45:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:40:37 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:32:58 AM, bulproof wrote:
Here I did it for you.
And God saw that the light was good. To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

No the whole thing is an action. A singular event that occurred, is occurring, will continue to occur. Did Separate, Separates, will Separate.

Replace the whole verse with "to separate".
You mean like this?
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:4 "to separate"
Gen 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.
Nah, go back and read where you claimed that this
And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night
means "To Separate"

Like that. When you can tell me the meaning of separate. We can be one baby jerky step forward to understanding anything.
You have a long way to go before you can justify the nonsense you've produced here.
Questions getting too hard for ya?

This is how I am explaining Gen 1:4 to you, now.

Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:4 "to separate"
Gen 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--one day.
I never asked about gen 1:4. Too bad.

Are you now admitting that you were wrong when you claimed this
And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night
means "To Separate"
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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6/22/2014 2:42:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 2:26:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 2:11:23 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:59:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:48:18 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:45:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:40:37 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:32:58 AM, bulproof wrote:
Here I did it for you.
And God saw that the light was good. To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

No the whole thing is an action. A singular event that occurred, is occurring, will continue to occur. Did Separate, Separates, will Separate.

Replace the whole verse with "to separate".
You mean like this?
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:4 "to separate"
Gen 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.
Nah, go back and read where you claimed that this
And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night
means "To Separate"

Like that. When you can tell me the meaning of separate. We can be one baby jerky step forward to understanding anything.
You have a long way to go before you can justify the nonsense you've produced here.
Questions getting too hard for ya?

This is how I am explaining Gen 1:4 to you, now.

Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:4 "to separate"
Gen 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--one day.
I never asked about gen 1:4. Too bad.

Are you now admitting that you were wrong when you claimed this
And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night
means "To Separate"

"And God separated the light from the darkness." is the second half of verse Genesis 1:4.

I seriously do not know why I ever expect you to behave like a mature reasonable human being.

You are being deceitful.
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6/22/2014 2:48:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 2:26:31 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 2:06:25 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:57:48 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/21/2014 11:25:40 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 6/21/2014 11:01:35 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/21/2014 8:17:06 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 6/21/2014 4:49:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
Can you explain what you consider this passage means?

And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night

Well, for the first 400,000 years or so the universe was "dark". Then conditions became right for stars to form, which gave us light, although it was still dark in the shadows where the light couldn't reach.

Night and day are words that came from man's mastery of language, the same system he used to write the Bible.

The passage specifically says god created the words night & day.

So God spoke English? Day and night are English words, but then the Bible was written in Hebrew, right? Why would a book be written in Hebrew if not for the fact that the writers were Hebrew? You see, a person can have a vision, and no matter what the vision is they are going to describe it in their own language, especially if it's the only language they know.

The Bible is for human use. That is why the words used are those which humans can understand.
Genesis 1 is not a vision. Night and day are dependent on a constant light source such as the sun.There is no light source mentioned here. The bible says sun was made in verse 1:16.
Another interesting point about 1:5 is why does he need to "divide" light from darkness? If light was "created," then doesn"t this automatically define light as separate from darkness?

Light is knowledge and understanding. It is referring to revelation not to any physical light.
Revelation automatically divides what you know ( Light) from what you don't know (darkness) There is no effort needed on the part of any supernatural being. It is a simple cause and effect. Turn on a light and it divides and dispels darkness. The light makes a path through the darkness.

The head can look down and see the body. It is at the top. But the head can not see itself. You can see your shoulders down. But the head is where the knowledge of the body is contained. But the head has no knowledge of itself. It can not see itself.

Except through a reflection. The head knows itself through looking at something else it creates.


Life creates living things in its own image. Some of those living things recognize their own image and others do not. Some life forms are intelligent and others are not.

A singularity is a point defined by where it is not. Not defined by where it is.

A singularity is a hypothetical abstract thing which does not exist in physical reality.

observations, predictions, experimental cases, all point to singularities being a real thing. It is outside the scope of this to OP to discuss it. So I will chalk this up to my definition of a singularity, is not the same as yours.


So it is was and is in the beginning.

The beginning is where it is not. It is also the end which also is where it is not.
The beginning and end exist and do not exist at the same time.

I respectfully disagree. The fullness of "X" can not coexist with the absence of "X".
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6/22/2014 3:08:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/22/2014 2:42:00 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 2:26:53 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 2:11:23 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:59:42 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:48:18 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:45:07 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:40:37 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 6/22/2014 1:32:58 AM, bulproof wrote:
Here I did it for you.
And God saw that the light was good. To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

No the whole thing is an action. A singular event that occurred, is occurring, will continue to occur. Did Separate, Separates, will Separate.

Replace the whole verse with "to separate".
You mean like this?
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 To seperate. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:4 "to separate"
Gen 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.
Nah, go back and read where you claimed that this
And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night
means "To Separate"

Like that. When you can tell me the meaning of separate. We can be one baby jerky step forward to understanding anything.
You have a long way to go before you can justify the nonsense you've produced here.
Questions getting too hard for ya?

This is how I am explaining Gen 1:4 to you, now.

Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
Gen 1:4 "to separate"
Gen 1:5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--one day.
I never asked about gen 1:4. Too bad.

Are you now admitting that you were wrong when you claimed this
And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night
means "To Separate"

"And God separated the light from the darkness." is the second half of verse Genesis 1:4.

I seriously do not know why I ever expect you to behave like a mature reasonable human being.

You are being deceitful.

Read the OP you sniveling cowardly liar.
What a pathetic little man you are.
Read the f*cking OP you disgusting excuse for a human being.
You are a bald faced LIAR.
F*ck off to a christian forum where you can lie to your hearts content like the rest of them.
LIAR
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin