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political idea, a neo-religion.

suttichart.denpruektham
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6/28/2014 5:48:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Do you think political ideology is a form of religion? I known many of the historical and modern ideology who claim themselves to be secular. However, when you think of it, not many of them attempt to place us in a more realistic sense. Socialism motivate people to devote themselves to the "Greater Good" for the society while liberal democracy ask us to respect "the equality in life, right and liberty" while in reality neither of do really exist in our physical world. In fact, it's just a word for some one to draw legitimacy along their its lines. Which in this sense, are very close in function to the spiritual authority given to the leaders of the old.

For example, a rulers in a feudal Europe always use Christianity to legitimize their regime. They are the rulers because they are "the good guy", why they are good? because god speaks so through his subject on earth, knows as the Pope. The Same goes for the Muslim Caliphate.

During the Cold War nations from both side iron curtain do employ political ideology with conviction, similar to the religion zealot. Although both side do claim to be secular or at least to certain degree, does it matter if you're believe in god, or in democracy, or in Maos?
Mineva
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6/28/2014 6:48:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
The answer to this question will vary according to the meanings attributed by people to the concept of democracy and secularism. I dont think there is a common perception.

For me, democracy means to have equal rights for each citizen and self-determination of the majority of people. Secularism means not to differentiate between people because of their religious differences.
SemperVI
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6/28/2014 12:46:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Regardless of people who try to say it is not - it is. Political ideology has all the same characteristics of a faith based belief system.
CJKAllstar
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6/28/2014 12:53:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/28/2014 12:46:13 PM, SemperVI wrote:
Regardless of people who try to say it is not - it is. Political ideology has all the same characteristics of a faith based belief system.

Ideology = Religion + Logic.

I am religious, but the whole idea behind it is that it is faith-based and not reliant upon logic.

I am also very pro-capitalist, but because as I read on, I thought about it carefully and realised logically it made sense. But they are similar.
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." - George Orwell
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6/28/2014 1:13:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/28/2014 12:53:33 PM, CJKAllstar wrote:
At 6/28/2014 12:46:13 PM, SemperVI wrote:
Regardless of people who try to say it is not - it is. Political ideology has all the same characteristics of a faith based belief system.

Ideology = Religion + Logic.

I am religious, but the whole idea behind it is that it is faith-based and not reliant upon logic.

I am also very pro-capitalist, but because as I read on, I thought about it carefully and realised logically it made sense. But they are similar.

Ideology is not logical otherwise there would not be different ideas and methods of ideology. It is a belief system based on opinion, belief and agenda driven reasoning.
CJKAllstar
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6/28/2014 1:17:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/28/2014 1:13:34 PM, SemperVI wrote:
At 6/28/2014 12:53:33 PM, CJKAllstar wrote:
At 6/28/2014 12:46:13 PM, SemperVI wrote:
Regardless of people who try to say it is not - it is. Political ideology has all the same characteristics of a faith based belief system.

Ideology = Religion + Logic.

I am religious, but the whole idea behind it is that it is faith-based and not reliant upon logic.

I am also very pro-capitalist, but because as I read on, I thought about it carefully and realised logically it made sense. But they are similar.

Ideology is not logical otherwise there would not be different ideas and methods of ideology. It is a belief system based on opinion, belief and agenda driven reasoning.

What is logical can just as well be subjective. I.e. God.

Logic, isn't one specific paradigm, but an umbrella for a host of paradigms, subjectivity and these agendas you speak of, so to me, socialism is not logical, whilst capitalism is. Vice versa for many others.
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." - George Orwell
SemperVI
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6/28/2014 1:20:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/28/2014 1:17:38 PM, CJKAllstar wrote:
At 6/28/2014 1:13:34 PM, SemperVI wrote:
At 6/28/2014 12:53:33 PM, CJKAllstar wrote:
At 6/28/2014 12:46:13 PM, SemperVI wrote:
Regardless of people who try to say it is not - it is. Political ideology has all the same characteristics of a faith based belief system.

Ideology = Religion + Logic.

I am religious, but the whole idea behind it is that it is faith-based and not reliant upon logic.

I am also very pro-capitalist, but because as I read on, I thought about it carefully and realised logically it made sense. But they are similar.

Ideology is not logical otherwise there would not be different ideas and methods of ideology. It is a belief system based on opinion, belief and agenda driven reasoning.

What is logical can just as well be subjective. I.e. God.

Logic, isn't one specific paradigm, but an umbrella for a host of paradigms, subjectivity and these agendas you speak of, so to me, socialism is not logical, whilst capitalism is. Vice versa for many others.

I think we are in agreement. The term logic implies a right answer and a wrong answer. e.g.: If A equals B and B equals C then C equals A. Accordingly ideology is based on reasoned perspective.