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God most likely exists

Benshapiro
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7/8/2014 4:19:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
God is a transcendent being responsible for our existence. Characteristics of God match with being omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent given the evidence.

(1) Only expressions of love maximize well-being universally. Whatever maximizes well-being is good. God is premised as the ultimate good by being omnibenevolent.

(2) human beings are intrinsically valued. This value can only occur if we have inherent value to some purpose.

(3) The Big Bang necessitates: a transcendent cause, that something came from nothing, or physical matter existed in some other form. A transcendent cause is the most logical option given that in our observable universe everything that begins to exist has a cause and the other two choices are speculation.

(4) humans have universal moral standards like "murder for no reason is wrong" and "rape is wrong." Without transcendent moral law, human beings would have none of these standards universally.

(5) processes in nature are intelligent. They are complex and orderly. From laws of thermodynamics, physics, gravity, etc., these laws defy spontaneity and unguided randomness. The self-contained logical processes in our universe have lead to processes that supersede our own intelligence. Could humans, as the most intelligent beings, ever create a robot that mimics the complex processes of our brain or central nervous system? Yet nature, random and unguided, led to these processes that supersede our own intelligent capacity for re-creation?

(6) Intelligence has only shown to come from prior intelligence. An organism capable of rationalizing complex processes for its own specific purposes has never originated from one incapable of doing so.

(7) The sheer miraculous and infinitesimally small odds of life existing at all support divine cause.

(8) The origin of information requires pre-existing information. All of life only originates from pre-existing information.

Thus, a transcendent, super intelligent, powerful, and loving being as the cause for our existence is evidenced by phenomena in our world and necessitated to avoid logical contradictions that would arise in explaining our existence without this creator.
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7/8/2014 4:23:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 4:19:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
God is a transcendent being responsible for our existence. Characteristics of God match with being omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent given the evidence.

(1) Only expressions of love maximize well-being universally. Whatever maximizes well-being is good. God is premised as the ultimate good by being omnibenevolent.

(2) human beings are intrinsically valued. This value can only occur if we have inherent value to some purpose.

(3) The Big Bang necessitates: a transcendent cause, that something came from nothing, or physical matter existed in some other form. A transcendent cause is the most logical option given that in our observable universe everything that begins to exist has a cause and the other two choices are speculation.

(4) humans have universal moral standards like "murder for no reason is wrong" and "rape is wrong." Without transcendent moral law, human beings would have none of these standards universally.

(5) processes in nature are intelligent. They are complex and orderly. From laws of thermodynamics, physics, gravity, etc., these laws defy spontaneity and unguided randomness. The self-contained logical processes in our universe have lead to processes that supersede our own intelligence. Could humans, as the most intelligent beings, ever create a robot that mimics the complex processes of our brain or central nervous system? Yet nature, random and unguided, led to these processes that supersede our own intelligent capacity for re-creation?

(6) Intelligence has only shown to come from prior intelligence. An organism capable of rationalizing complex processes for its own specific purposes has never originated from one incapable of doing so.

(7) The sheer miraculous and infinitesimally small odds of life existing at all support divine cause.

(8) The origin of information requires pre-existing information. All of life only originates from pre-existing information.

Thus, a transcendent, super intelligent, powerful, and loving being as the cause for our existence is evidenced by phenomena in our world and necessitated to avoid logical contradictions that would arise in explaining our existence without this creator.

Didn't you read my vote on your last god debate with SNP1?

It is much more effective to stick to a handful of points and well-substantiate them than it is to spam out 7-10 points and give piss-poor support. It's called Gish galloping...
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7/8/2014 4:31:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 4:19:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
God is a transcendent being responsible for our existence. Characteristics of God match with being omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent given the evidence.

(1) Only expressions of love maximize well-being universally. Whatever maximizes well-being is good. God is premised as the ultimate good by being omnibenevolent.

Not an argument

(2) human beings are intrinsically valued. This value can only occur if we have inherent value to some purpose.

Hitchen's Razor, beg's the question.

(3) The Big Bang necessitates: a transcendent cause, that something came from nothing, or physical matter existed in some other form. A transcendent cause is the most logical option given that in our observable universe everything that begins to exist has a cause and the other two choices are speculation.

1. Transcendent cause =/= God
2. Transcendent cause = speculation
3. I remain unconvinced against creation ex nihilo
4. Eternal inflation seems to be adequate, and has no beginning.

(4) humans have universal moral standards like "murder for no reason is wrong" and "rape is wrong." Without transcendent moral law, human beings would have none of these standards universally.

Hitchen's Razor. No reason to accept the second sentence as true.

(5) processes in nature are intelligent. They are complex and orderly.

Complex and orderly =/= intelligent.

From laws of thermodynamics, physics, gravity, etc., these laws defy spontaneity and unguided randomness.

Ever learned quantum mechanics?

The self-contained logical processes in our universe have lead to processes that supersede our own intelligence. Could humans, as the most intelligent beings, ever create a robot that mimics the complex processes of our brain or central nervous system? Yet nature, random and unguided, led to these processes that supersede our own intelligent capacity for re-creation?

This is a non-sequitur, and in no way argues for god.

(6) Intelligence has only shown to come from prior intelligence. An organism capable of rationalizing complex processes for its own specific purposes has never originated from one incapable of doing so.

You were intelligent as a zygote?

Evolution?

Racial intelligence differences between Africans and Asians?

All clear evidence that intelligence is quantitative.

(7) The sheer miraculous and infinitesimally small odds of life existing at all support divine cause.

Hitchens Razor. Anthropic principle.

(8) The origin of information requires pre-existing information. All of life only originates from pre-existing information.

Equivocation between physical information and artificial information. And the first sentence I will throw hitchens razor at.

Thus, a transcendent, super intelligent, powerful, and loving being as the cause for our existence is evidenced by phenomena in our world and necessitated to avoid logical contradictions that would arise in explaining our existence without this creator.

You have failed to meet your burden... And would have done better had you not gish galloped.