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Christianity + Athiesm: Is it possible?

9spaceking
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7/16/2014 6:22:36 AM
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Do you think there is a possibility in which God created the Big Bang, which created the universe?
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7/16/2014 7:09:19 AM
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At 7/16/2014 6:22:36 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
Do you think there is a possibility in which God created the Big Bang, which created the universe?

Big Bang =/= atheism
Evolution =/= atheism
Abiogenesis =/= atheism
Denial of Jesus' divinity/miracles/existance =/= atheism
Denial of the Christian God =/= atheism
Materialism =/= atheism

Are we quite done here?
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7/16/2014 7:21:11 AM
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At 7/16/2014 7:09:19 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 7/16/2014 6:22:36 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
Do you think there is a possibility in which God created the Big Bang, which created the universe?

Big Bang =/= atheism
Evolution =/= atheism
Abiogenesis =/= atheism
Denial of Jesus' divinity/miracles/existance =/= atheism
Denial of the Christian God =/= atheism
Materialism =/= atheism

Are we quite done here?
then, science plus christianity. I should have renamed this thread.
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7/16/2014 7:21:38 AM
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At 7/16/2014 6:22:36 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
Do you think there is a possibility in which God created the Big Bang, which created the universe?

If a god exists, then such a thing is surely possible. But the big bang did not create the universe, the big bang was the formation of the universe into its current state, that of an expanding universe. Before then the universe technically existed, but it was as a singularity, a single point in which the universe existed. Or at least that's the implication of an expanding universe. We don't know about anything before what is know as the Planck epoch, 0 to about 10 to the -43 power seconds, because our the calculations break down. Or at least that's my understanding of it.
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7/16/2014 7:44:22 AM
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I'm more or less asking if people believe big bang came from nothing, or a being like God created it.
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7/16/2014 7:53:54 AM
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At 7/16/2014 6:22:36 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
Do you think there is a possibility in which God created the Big Bang, which created the universe?

Depends. Is there a universe or a multiverse?

Universe:
1) Cause and effect happens in time.
2) There was no time before the big bang.
3) The big bang did not have a cause.
4) The universe is uncaused.
5) Theism requires the universe to be caused by a god.
6) The universe is uncaused.
7) Theism is false.

If there is a multiverse, then the cause could take place before the universe started by having the cause in another universe, but the existence of a multiverse would help atheist arguments out even more.
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7/16/2014 7:57:50 AM
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At 7/16/2014 7:44:22 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
I'm more or less asking if people believe big bang came from nothing, or a being like God created it.

Did the easter bunny come from nothing? Don't you people get sick of asking the same inane questions?
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7/16/2014 8:00:14 AM
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At 7/16/2014 6:22:36 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
Do you think there is a possibility in which God created the Big Bang, which created the universe?

It's more than a possibility. By definition, it's what happened.
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7/16/2014 8:02:02 AM
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At 7/16/2014 7:44:22 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
I'm more or less asking if people believe big bang came from nothing, or a being like God created it.

Does God have to be a "being"? Or is God simply the great mystery source from which all that exists comes, is sustained, and finds it's purpose?
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7/16/2014 10:25:44 AM
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At 7/16/2014 8:02:02 AM, PureX wrote:
At 7/16/2014 7:44:22 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
I'm more or less asking if people believe big bang came from nothing, or a being like God created it.

Does God have to be a "being"? Or is God simply the great mystery source from which all that exists comes, is sustained, and finds it's purpose?

hmmm....interesting question. I wonder what the christians think: is God the poor guy from Bible, or some amazing mystery source of energy...and life?
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7/16/2014 10:33:58 AM
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At 7/16/2014 6:22:36 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
Do you think there is a possibility in which God created the Big Bang, which created the universe?

There's no such thing as a "Big Bang" that most people believe in today because of some Roman Catholic Pope who started this theory.

The "Big Bang" theory is being disproved by some quantum physicists today who are not believing in other theories. The only problem they have is that they don't know our Creator who has taught me how He created us as invisible vibrations.

Each individual created being gets to experience illusions that are formed from the invisible realm of vibrations that no man can ever see. There's no such thing as a universe that we're all in. The universe only exists as each individual observes it. Tell a blind man that a universe exists and he won't be able to tell you if it's true or not.
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7/16/2014 10:43:17 AM
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At 7/16/2014 10:25:44 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
At 7/16/2014 8:02:02 AM, PureX wrote:
At 7/16/2014 7:44:22 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
I'm more or less asking if people believe big bang came from nothing, or a being like God created it.

Does God have to be a "being"? Or is God simply the great mystery source from which all that exists comes, is sustained, and finds it's purpose?

hmmm....interesting question. I wonder what the christians think: is God the poor guy from Bible, or some amazing mystery source of energy...and life?

Or both. The first being an anthropomorphic religionist's conception of God, and the second being a pragmatic materialist's conception. Both will agree , however, that "God" is a mystery. That our concepts of God are limited, and incomplete.
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7/16/2014 10:45:59 AM
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Did the easter bunny come from nothing? Don't you people get sick of asking the same inane questions?
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7/16/2014 10:46:27 AM
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At 7/16/2014 7:44:22 AM, 9spaceking wrote:
I'm more or less asking if people believe big bang came from nothing, or a being like God created it.

Neither, for me. The big bang wasn't caused, it didn't come from anything. It was simply matter and energy acting according to, for lack of a better term, physical laws.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.