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7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum
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7/16/2014 5:24:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

I predict a draw.
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7/16/2014 6:55:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)
-Abolish the state and capitalism, Dorothy Day style

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum
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7/16/2014 11:06:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
More stupidity from our atheist trolls. This time not understanding Christianity is not one black and white division of Christian believers, not understanding Pauline "Christianity" is what atheists think all Christianity is, not knowing about the great Christian Gnostic movement that began Christianity in the first place in Alexandria Egypt's exile Jewish community where some radical Jews were studying the roots of their religion in the Library of Alexandria and coming out with a much different theology than Judaism, very likely under the influence of a radical Jewish healer named Yeishu ben Pantera whose biography matches that of Jesus Christ of the Gospels.

Pauline Christianity is in its End Times along with all Abrahamic religions because their foundational stories have been exposed by Israeli archeology as just Jewish myths of origin filled with fantastic events and people that never were, e.g. Moses and the Exodus story that was written as a reversal of the actual humiliation historical event of ancient Israelites being kicked out of Egypt as part of the failed Hyksos Shepherd Kings invaders.

The whole Pauline Christian edifice is crumbling away now only social inertial keeps intellectuals from discovering Pauline Christianity's historical errors of attaching itself to Judaism's mythologies palmed off to gullible believers as historical facts. Atheists attack Pauline Christianity because it's easy to do, it's an irrational belief system that does not make one bit of sense as is except as an exercise for gullible believers in holding irrational beliefs faithfully.

I teach Celestial Torah Christianity, the world's oldest religious consciousness. It isn't "right" or "left" but centered in ancient astrological religious coding that formed the basis of most every religion on earth.
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7/16/2014 11:27:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/16/2014 11:05:01 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
Seriously?! No one?!

How do you Judge it? Who judges it? Beside the majority of people in this forum do not actually participate in debates. They just spew back and forth. So it makes it kinda hard to set something like this up.
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7/17/2014 9:03:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/16/2014 11:27:09 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 7/16/2014 11:05:01 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
Seriously?! No one?!

How do you Judge it? Who judges it? Beside the majority of people in this forum do not actually participate in debates. They just spew back and forth. So it makes it kinda hard to set something like this up.

It'd be a series of debates.
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7/17/2014 9:05:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

All Christians are liars and should never be trusted for the Truth. Anyone who labels another person is guilty of disobeying the commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbors".
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7/17/2014 9:09:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 9:05:51 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

All Christians are liars and should never be trusted for the Truth. Anyone who labels another person is guilty of disobeying the commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbors".

You just LABELED all Christians as liars, lol.
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7/17/2014 9:15:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 9:09:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:05:51 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

All Christians are liars and should never be trusted for the Truth. Anyone who labels another person is guilty of disobeying the commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbors".

You just LABELED all Christians as liars, lol.

Every single one of them.
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7/17/2014 9:29:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 9:15:57 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:09:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:05:51 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

All Christians are liars and should never be trusted for the Truth. Anyone who labels another person is guilty of disobeying the commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbors".

You just LABELED all Christians as liars, lol.

Every single one of them.

What I'm saying is that you contradicted yourself.
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7/17/2014 9:37:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/16/2014 11:06:26 PM, skinker wrote:
More stupidity from our atheist trolls. This time not understanding Christianity is not one black and white division of Christian believers, not understanding Pauline "Christianity" is what atheists think all Christianity is, not knowing about the great Christian Gnostic movement that began Christianity in the first place in Alexandria Egypt's exile Jewish community where some radical Jews were studying the roots of their religion in the Library of Alexandria and coming out with a much different theology than Judaism, very likely under the influence of a radical Jewish healer named Yeishu ben Pantera whose biography matches that of Jesus Christ of the Gospels.

Pauline Christianity is in its End Times along with all Abrahamic religions because their foundational stories have been exposed by Israeli archeology as just Jewish myths of origin filled with fantastic events and people that never were, e.g. Moses and the Exodus story that was written as a reversal of the actual humiliation historical event of ancient Israelites being kicked out of Egypt as part of the failed Hyksos Shepherd Kings invaders.

The whole Pauline Christian edifice is crumbling away now only social inertial keeps intellectuals from discovering Pauline Christianity's historical errors of attaching itself to Judaism's mythologies palmed off to gullible believers as historical facts. Atheists attack Pauline Christianity because it's easy to do, it's an irrational belief system that does not make one bit of sense as is except as an exercise for gullible believers in holding irrational beliefs faithfully.

I teach Celestial Torah Christianity, the world's oldest religious consciousness. It isn't "right" or "left" but centered in ancient astrological religious coding that formed the basis of most every religion on earth.

Riiiiiiight. Go make a club with bornofgod for scientology-like worldviews loosely based on Christianity.
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7/17/2014 9:38:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/16/2014 11:05:01 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
Seriously?! No one?!

Honestly I would join if I were a Christian :)

I could argue for the Left and act as though I were a Christian I suppose.

Everyone on this forum is just grumpy.
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7/17/2014 9:43:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 9:41:35 PM, stubs wrote:
It's difficult because a lot of people believe things on both sides that you listed.

Just pick which one you fit more closely into.
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7/17/2014 9:44:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 9:43:08 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:41:35 PM, stubs wrote:
It's difficult because a lot of people believe things on both sides that you listed.

Just pick which one you fit more closely into.

I have no idea haha
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7/17/2014 9:46:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 9:44:46 PM, stubs wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:43:08 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:41:35 PM, stubs wrote:
It's difficult because a lot of people believe things on both sides that you listed.

Just pick which one you fit more closely into.

I have no idea haha

Are you a Liberal or Conservative?
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7/17/2014 10:05:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 9:46:51 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:44:46 PM, stubs wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:43:08 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:41:35 PM, stubs wrote:
It's difficult because a lot of people believe things on both sides that you listed.

Just pick which one you fit more closely into.

I have no idea haha

Are you a Liberal or Conservative?

I don't know haha
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7/17/2014 10:27:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/16/2014 11:06:26 PM, skinker wrote:
More stupidity from our atheist trolls.

What kind of stupidity are you referring to? Also, are you labeling all atheists on this site as trolls or just the ones that insult other users?
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Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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7/17/2014 10:29:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/16/2014 11:06:26 PM, skinker wrote:
More stupidity from our atheist trolls. This time not understanding Christianity is not one black and white division of Christian believers, not understanding Pauline "Christianity" is what atheists think all Christianity is, not knowing about the great Christian Gnostic movement that began Christianity in the first place in Alexandria Egypt's exile Jewish community where some radical Jews were studying the roots of their religion in the Library of Alexandria and coming out with a much different theology than Judaism, very likely under the influence of a radical Jewish healer named Yeishu ben Pantera whose biography matches that of Jesus Christ of the Gospels.

Pauline Christianity is in its End Times along with all Abrahamic religions because their foundational stories have been exposed by Israeli archeology as just Jewish myths of origin filled with fantastic events and people that never were, e.g. Moses and the Exodus story that was written as a reversal of the actual humiliation historical event of ancient Israelites being kicked out of Egypt as part of the failed Hyksos Shepherd Kings invaders.

The whole Pauline Christian edifice is crumbling away now only social inertial keeps intellectuals from discovering Pauline Christianity's historical errors of attaching itself to Judaism's mythologies palmed off to gullible believers as historical facts. Atheists attack Pauline Christianity because it's easy to do, it's an irrational belief system that does not make one bit of sense as is except as an exercise for gullible believers in holding irrational beliefs faithfully.

I teach Celestial Torah Christianity, the world's oldest religious consciousness. It isn't "right" or "left" but centered in ancient astrological religious coding that formed the basis of most every religion on earth.

Also, what makes Pauline Christianity an irrational belief system? Couldn't one say other lines of Christianity are just as irrational?
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7/17/2014 10:40:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/16/2014 11:06:26 PM, skinker wrote:
More stupidity from our atheist trolls. This time not understanding Christianity is not one black and white division of Christian believers, not understanding Pauline "Christianity" is what atheists think all Christianity is, not knowing about the great Christian Gnostic movement that began Christianity in the first place in Alexandria Egypt's exile Jewish community where some radical Jews were studying the roots of their religion in the Library of Alexandria and coming out with a much different theology than Judaism, very likely under the influence of a radical Jewish healer named Yeishu ben Pantera whose biography matches that of Jesus Christ of the Gospels.

Pauline Christianity is in its End Times along with all Abrahamic religions because their foundational stories have been exposed by Israeli archeology as just Jewish myths of origin filled with fantastic events and people that never were, e.g. Moses and the Exodus story that was written as a reversal of the actual humiliation historical event of ancient Israelites being kicked out of Egypt as part of the failed Hyksos Shepherd Kings invaders.

The whole Pauline Christian edifice is crumbling away now only social inertial keeps intellectuals from discovering Pauline Christianity's historical errors of attaching itself to Judaism's mythologies palmed off to gullible believers as historical facts. Atheists attack Pauline Christianity because it's easy to do, it's an irrational belief system that does not make one bit of sense as is except as an exercise for gullible believers in holding irrational beliefs faithfully.

I teach Celestial Torah Christianity, the world's oldest religious consciousness. It isn't "right" or "left" but centered in ancient astrological religious coding that formed the basis of most every religion on earth.

Also, what makes Pauline Christianity an irrational belief system? Couldn't one say other lines of Christianity are just as irrational?
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7/17/2014 11:05:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'm a little surprised at the lack of interest, too. Sign me up for the right, please.
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7/17/2014 11:42:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 10:40:28 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 7/16/2014 11:06:26 PM, skinker wrote:
More stupidity from our atheist trolls. This time not understanding Christianity is not one black and white division of Christian believers, not understanding Pauline "Christianity" is what atheists think all Christianity is, not knowing about the great Christian Gnostic movement that began Christianity in the first place in Alexandria Egypt's exile Jewish community where some radical Jews were studying the roots of their religion in the Library of Alexandria and coming out with a much different theology than Judaism, very likely under the influence of a radical Jewish healer named Yeishu ben Pantera whose biography matches that of Jesus Christ of the Gospels.

Pauline Christianity is in its End Times along with all Abrahamic religions because their foundational stories have been exposed by Israeli archeology as just Jewish myths of origin filled with fantastic events and people that never were, e.g. Moses and the Exodus story that was written as a reversal of the actual humiliation historical event of ancient Israelites being kicked out of Egypt as part of the failed Hyksos Shepherd Kings invaders.

The whole Pauline Christian edifice is crumbling away now only social inertial keeps intellectuals from discovering Pauline Christianity's historical errors of attaching itself to Judaism's mythologies palmed off to gullible believers as historical facts. Atheists attack Pauline Christianity because it's easy to do, it's an irrational belief system that does not make one bit of sense as is except as an exercise for gullible believers in holding irrational beliefs faithfully.

I teach Celestial Torah Christianity, the world's oldest religious consciousness. It isn't "right" or "left" but centered in ancient astrological religious coding that formed the basis of most every religion on earth.

Also, what makes Pauline Christianity an irrational belief system? Couldn't one say other lines of Christianity are just as irrational?

Sorry for the double posting of the same question. I do not know how that happened.
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Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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7/18/2014 12:16:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 9:29:33 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:15:57 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:09:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:05:51 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

All Christians are liars and should never be trusted for the Truth. Anyone who labels another person is guilty of disobeying the commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbors".

You just LABELED all Christians as liars, lol.

Every single one of them.

What I'm saying is that you contradicted yourself.

I didn't contradict myself. I'm not a Christian and I can't possibly lie since I'm the voice of God who speaks for Him.
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7/18/2014 8:34:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/18/2014 12:16:38 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:29:33 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:15:57 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:09:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:05:51 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

All Christians are liars and should never be trusted for the Truth. Anyone who labels another person is guilty of disobeying the commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbors".

You just LABELED all Christians as liars, lol.

Every single one of them.

What I'm saying is that you contradicted yourself.

I didn't contradict myself. I'm not a Christian and I can't possibly lie since I'm the voice of God who speaks for Him.

I see. So if you said that Christmas was in June, would you be telling the truth?
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7/18/2014 8:35:59 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1. Skynet
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum
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7/18/2014 9:40:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 9:41:35 PM, stubs wrote:
It's difficult because a lot of people believe things on both sides that you listed.

This right here is the reason why I have not joined up. I don't fall into a neat little distinction of left and right. I'm likely somewhere in the middle, perhaps more toward the left, but then I still have even bigger differences with some on the left who pretty much completely depart from Christianity.
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7/18/2014 9:45:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/18/2014 9:40:40 AM, TrueScotsman wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:41:35 PM, stubs wrote:
It's difficult because a lot of people believe things on both sides that you listed.

This right here is the reason why I have not joined up. I don't fall into a neat little distinction of left and right. I'm likely somewhere in the middle, perhaps more toward the left, but then I still have even bigger differences with some on the left who pretty much completely depart from Christianity.

That's okay. You can just pick one or two beliefs of the Christian Left that you share and debate those things.
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7/18/2014 10:10:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/18/2014 8:34:49 AM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/18/2014 12:16:38 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:29:33 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:15:57 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:09:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:05:51 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

All Christians are liars and should never be trusted for the Truth. Anyone who labels another person is guilty of disobeying the commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbors".

You just LABELED all Christians as liars, lol.

Every single one of them.

What I'm saying is that you contradicted yourself.

I didn't contradict myself. I'm not a Christian and I can't possibly lie since I'm the voice of God who speaks for Him.

I see. So if you said that Christmas was in June, would you be telling the truth?

Why don't you take some statements I've made and use them for examples of how I contradicted myself?

Christians always use excuses to avoid the Truth.
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7/18/2014 10:57:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/18/2014 10:10:11 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/18/2014 8:34:49 AM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/18/2014 12:16:38 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:29:33 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:15:57 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:09:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 7/17/2014 9:05:51 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/16/2014 3:27:44 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
I have an idea for a tournament. This will be a contest because "Liberal" Christians and "Conservative" Christians to see which group's beliefs is more Biblically and Doctrinally sound.
First of all, I will define some of the beliefs which set the two sides against each other.

The Christian Left:
-All religions are equal and/or all religions lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is not sinful.
-Abortion is not sinful.
-The most important job for Christians is too help the poor, the sick, the widowed, the orphans ("Social Gospel").
-Civilians owning guns violates Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted allegorically.
-A socialist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Right is bigoted, the modern day equivalent to the Pharisees who Jesus dealt with, hypocrites who engage in the behavior that they condemn, and blindly believes anything that Rush Limbaugh or Fox News says.
-(Feel free to add others.)

The Christian Right:
-All religions do not lead to Heaven.
-Homosexuality is sinful.
-Abortion is sinful.
-The most important job for a Christian is to witness to people in order to lead them to salvation.
-Civilians owning guns does not violate Jesus's teachings.
-The Genesis accounts of a Young Earth and a Global Flood were meant to be interpreted literally.
-A capitalist economic system is Biblical.
-The Christian Left consists of Christians in name only who disregard the morals of the Bible and choose to live like the world.
-(Feel free to add others.)

Note: if you are a Conservative Christian or a Liberal Christian and your beliefs do not completely line up with what was inserted in the above, please do not be offended. I tried to describe the two side's beliefs the best I could.

Rules:
1. No atheists or non-Christians, please.
2. This tournament is not about whether homosexuality, abortion, gun control, etc are good ideas for society, or whether or not Young Earth Creationism is true. This tournament is about what the Bible says on these things.
3. Signups are below.

Christian Left Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

Christian Right Signups:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
Ad Infinitum

All Christians are liars and should never be trusted for the Truth. Anyone who labels another person is guilty of disobeying the commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbors".

You just LABELED all Christians as liars, lol.

Every single one of them.

What I'm saying is that you contradicted yourself.

I didn't contradict myself. I'm not a Christian and I can't possibly lie since I'm the voice of God who speaks for Him.

I see. So if you said that Christmas was in June, would you be telling the truth?

Why don't you take some statements I've made and use them for examples of how I contradicted myself?

Christians always use excuses to avoid the Truth.

What I'm saying is that you claimed that you cannot lie, but that cannot be true if you are capable of making a statement which is false.
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