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7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
God alone has free will.

Only the omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God has absolute freedom to do whatsoever he pleases.

All of creation is under the sovereign control of Almighty God, and can only do what God allows it to do.

And God created all things with certain limitations, that can only be overcome if God enables it.

The creature itself has no power to overcome those limitations.

Therefore, God alone has free will.
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7/17/2014 4:58:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

No, it's Biblical Christianity.

I'm not a Calvinist, I'm a Christian.

John Calvin just happened to understand a few things.
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7/17/2014 4:59:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
God alone has free will.

Only the omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God has absolute freedom to do whatsoever he pleases.

All of creation is under the sovereign control of Almighty God, and can only do what God allows it to do.

And God created all things with certain limitations, that can only be overcome if God enables it.

The creature itself has no power to overcome those limitations.

Therefore, God alone has free will.

Can you prove that?

God allowed the Ukrainian Rebels to shoot down the Malaysian plane? I would say that your entire statement is untrue. Either that or God is an a-hole.
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7/17/2014 5:00:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 4:58:30 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

No, it's Biblical Christianity.

I'm not a Calvinist, I'm a Christian.

John Calvin just happened to understand a few things.

It's Calvinism, it's disgusting.
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7/17/2014 5:05:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
God alone has free will.

Only the omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God has absolute freedom to do whatsoever he pleases.

All of creation is under the sovereign control of Almighty God, and can only do what God allows it to do.

And among the things God allows us to do, we have a choice as to what we can do.

This is known as free will.

We have free will.
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7/17/2014 5:31:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

Not Calvinism. Biblical Christianity.

Just a small sample verses from Scripture that speak of God's almighty, sovereign will:

Psalm 135:6
"Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in
all deep places."

Psalm 115:3
"But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases."

Isaiah 46:9-11
"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,"
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it."

Daniel 4:35-37
"All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, "What have You done?"

Romans 9:14-21
"You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?
Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"

Ephesians 1:11
"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, "

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created
all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."
sovereigngracereigns
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7/17/2014 5:33:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 5:05:18 PM, PeacefulChaos wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
God alone has free will.

Only the omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God has absolute freedom to do whatsoever he pleases.

All of creation is under the sovereign control of Almighty God, and can only do what God allows it to do.

And among the things God allows us to do, we have a choice as to what we can do.

This is known as free will.

We have free will.

If your will is limited at all, it's not free.

It's just that simple.
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7/17/2014 5:41:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 4:59:25 PM, Saska wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
God alone has free will.

Only the omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God has absolute freedom to do whatsoever he pleases.

All of creation is under the sovereign control of Almighty God, and can only do what God allows it to do.

And God created all things with certain limitations, that can only be overcome if God enables it.

The creature itself has no power to overcome those limitations.

Therefore, God alone has free will.

Can you prove that?

God allowed the Ukrainian Rebels to shoot down the Malaysian plane? I would say that your entire statement is untrue. Either that or God is an a-hole.

No, I can't prove it.
God has not given me the ability to do that.
It was never his INTENTION to do so.

But he HAS enabled me to PROCLAIM it.
And he HAS allowed you to HEAR it.
And unless HE GIVES you FAITH, you'll NEVER BELIEVE it.

And if you leave this world without faith in Jesus Christ, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

No matter what you do, you are fulfilling GOD'S WILL.
Your so-called "free will" doesn't exist.

And you WILL BOW to Jesus Christ, either in this life and in heaven, or you'll bow to him as he casts you into Hell.
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7/17/2014 5:52:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
God alone has free will.

Only the omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God has absolute freedom to do whatsoever he pleases.

All of creation is under the sovereign control of Almighty God, and can only do what God allows it to do.

And God created all things with certain limitations, that can only be overcome if God enables it.

The creature itself has no power to overcome those limitations.

Therefore, God alone has free will.

Right on !!!

Acts 17:
24: The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in shrines made by man,
25: nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all men life and breath and everything.
26: And he made from one every nation of men to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their habitation,
27: that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel after him and find him. Yet he is not far from each one of us,
28: for ..In him we live and move and have our being'; as even some of your poets have said, ..For we are indeed his offspring.'

Jeremiah 10
10: But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King. At his wrath the earth quakes, and the nations cannot endure his indignation.
11: Thus shall you say to them: "The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens."
12: It is he who made the earth by his power, who established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding stretched out the heavens.
13: When he utters his voice there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightnings for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses.
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7/17/2014 5:59:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 5:31:27 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

Not Calvinism. Biblical Christianity.

Just a small sample verses from Scripture that speak of God's almighty, sovereign will:

Psalm 135:6
"Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in
all deep places."

Psalm 115:3
"But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases."

Isaiah 46:9-11
"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,"
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it."

Daniel 4:35-37
"All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, "What have You done?"

Romans 9:14-21
"You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?
Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"

Ephesians 1:11
"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, "

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created
all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."

C.A.L.V.I.N.I.S.M. Of course you have your little verses, so do mormons.
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7/17/2014 6:06:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 5:59:45 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:31:27 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

Not Calvinism. Biblical Christianity.

Just a small sample verses from Scripture that speak of God's almighty, sovereign will:

Psalm 135:6
"Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in
all deep places."

Psalm 115:3
"But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases."

Isaiah 46:9-11
"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,"
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it."

Daniel 4:35-37
"All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, "What have You done?"

Romans 9:14-21
"You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?
Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"

Ephesians 1:11
"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, "

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created
all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."

C.A.L.V.I.N.I.S.M. Of course you have your little verses, so do mormons.

All religions have pieces of Truth in them but none of them has the whole Truth like us saints preach.
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7/17/2014 6:07:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 6:06:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:59:45 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:31:27 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

Not Calvinism. Biblical Christianity.

Just a small sample verses from Scripture that speak of God's almighty, sovereign will:

Psalm 135:6
"Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in
all deep places."

Psalm 115:3
"But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases."

Isaiah 46:9-11
"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,"
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it."

Daniel 4:35-37
"All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, "What have You done?"

Romans 9:14-21
"You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?
Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"

Ephesians 1:11
"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, "

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created
all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."

C.A.L.V.I.N.I.S.M. Of course you have your little verses, so do mormons.

All religions have pieces of Truth in them but none of them has the whole Truth like us saints preach.

Saints? I thought you were the messiah?
Hematite12
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7/17/2014 6:10:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 5:31:27 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

Not Calvinism. Biblical Christianity.

Just a small sample verses from Scripture that speak of God's almighty, sovereign will:

Psalm 135:6
"Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in
all deep places."

Psalm 115:3
"But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases."

Isaiah 46:9-11
"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,"
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it."

Daniel 4:35-37
"All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, "What have You done?"

Romans 9:14-21
"You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?
Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"

Ephesians 1:11
"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, "

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created
all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."

Congratulations, you can find a few verses in a book with thousands of pages that was written by a multiplicity of different authors who had nothing to do with each other and lived in different times and societies.

Stop being an arrogant p**** and accept that you hold a specific interpretation which is not inherently more valid than everyone else's. The Bible can be used to support anything.
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7/17/2014 6:13:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 6:07:24 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:06:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:59:45 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:31:27 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

Not Calvinism. Biblical Christianity.

Just a small sample verses from Scripture that speak of God's almighty, sovereign will:

Psalm 135:6
"Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in
all deep places."

Psalm 115:3
"But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases."

Isaiah 46:9-11
"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,"
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it."

Daniel 4:35-37
"All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, "What have You done?"

Romans 9:14-21
"You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?
Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"

Ephesians 1:11
"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, "

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created
all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."

C.A.L.V.I.N.I.S.M. Of course you have your little verses, so do mormons.

All religions have pieces of Truth in them but none of them has the whole Truth like us saints preach.

Saints? I thought you were the messiah?

A saint is only an illusion that's part of this world like all God's other illusions. What you hear and read from the saints is the invisible Messiah, my created existence in our Creator's thoughts. The Messiah is just another symbolic name that means the same exact thing as the Son of God, Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven, Christ, Light of men, Eternal Life, Holy Spirit, Counselor, Zion, Jacob, Judah, etc.
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7/17/2014 6:16:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 6:13:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:07:24 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:06:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:59:45 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:31:27 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

Not Calvinism. Biblical Christianity.

Just a small sample verses from Scripture that speak of God's almighty, sovereign will:

Psalm 135:6
"Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in
all deep places."

Psalm 115:3
"But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases."

Isaiah 46:9-11
"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,"
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it."

Daniel 4:35-37
"All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, "What have You done?"

Romans 9:14-21
"You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?
Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"

Ephesians 1:11
"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, "

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created
all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."

C.A.L.V.I.N.I.S.M. Of course you have your little verses, so do mormons.

All religions have pieces of Truth in them but none of them has the whole Truth like us saints preach.

Saints? I thought you were the messiah?

A saint is only an illusion that's part of this world like all God's other illusions. What you hear and read from the saints is the invisible Messiah, my created existence in our Creator's thoughts. The Messiah is just another symbolic name that means the same exact thing as the Son of God, Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven, Christ, Light of men, Eternal Life, Holy Spirit, Counselor, Zion, Jacob, Judah, etc.

Mmmhmm, I've already read that from you, more than once.. I'm not that dumb where you have to repeat everything, I have your whole gospel already in my head.
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7/17/2014 6:19:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 6:16:46 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:13:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:07:24 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:06:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:59:45 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:31:27 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

Not Calvinism. Biblical Christianity.

Just a small sample verses from Scripture that speak of God's almighty, sovereign will:

Psalm 135:6
"Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in
all deep places."

Psalm 115:3
"But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases."

Isaiah 46:9-11
"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,"
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it."

Daniel 4:35-37
"All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, "What have You done?"

Romans 9:14-21
"You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?
Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"

Ephesians 1:11
"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, "

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created
all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."

C.A.L.V.I.N.I.S.M. Of course you have your little verses, so do mormons.

All religions have pieces of Truth in them but none of them has the whole Truth like us saints preach.

Saints? I thought you were the messiah?

A saint is only an illusion that's part of this world like all God's other illusions. What you hear and read from the saints is the invisible Messiah, my created existence in our Creator's thoughts. The Messiah is just another symbolic name that means the same exact thing as the Son of God, Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven, Christ, Light of men, Eternal Life, Holy Spirit, Counselor, Zion, Jacob, Judah, etc.

Mmmhmm, I've already read that from you, more than once.. I'm not that dumb where you have to repeat everything, I have your whole gospel already in my head.

Now it's just a matter of time before God enlightens you with that information I've shared in this forum. Once you're enlightened, you will understand everything I've testified to. Some believers never get enlightened in this age, even though they listened to our gospel ( the voice of the Lord ).

Some will get 30 fold, 60 fold but only us saints get 100 fold.
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7/17/2014 6:20:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 6:19:50 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:16:46 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:13:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:07:24 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:06:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:59:45 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:31:27 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

Not Calvinism. Biblical Christianity.

Just a small sample verses from Scripture that speak of God's almighty, sovereign will:

Psalm 135:6
"Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in
all deep places."

Psalm 115:3
"But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases."

Isaiah 46:9-11
"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,"
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it."

Daniel 4:35-37
"All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, "What have You done?"

Romans 9:14-21
"You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?
Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"

Ephesians 1:11
"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, "

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created
all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."

C.A.L.V.I.N.I.S.M. Of course you have your little verses, so do mormons.

All religions have pieces of Truth in them but none of them has the whole Truth like us saints preach.

Saints? I thought you were the messiah?

A saint is only an illusion that's part of this world like all God's other illusions. What you hear and read from the saints is the invisible Messiah, my created existence in our Creator's thoughts. The Messiah is just another symbolic name that means the same exact thing as the Son of God, Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven, Christ, Light of men, Eternal Life, Holy Spirit, Counselor, Zion, Jacob, Judah, etc.

Mmmhmm, I've already read that from you, more than once.. I'm not that dumb where you have to repeat everything, I have your whole gospel already in my head.

Now it's just a matter of time before God enlightens you with that information I've shared in this forum. Once you're enlightened, you will understand everything I've testified to. Some believers never get enlightened in this age, even though they listened to our gospel ( the voice of the Lord ).

Some will get 30 fold, 60 fold but only us saints get 100 fold.

Sounds like a plan...
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7/17/2014 6:34:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:

Therefore, God alone has free will.

So, that makes prayer pointless, any immoral action valid and any ambitions in life useless... Good luck.
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7/17/2014 6:51:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 6:34:12 PM, Yarowold wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:

Therefore, God alone has free will.

So, that makes prayer pointless, any immoral action valid and any ambitions in life useless... Good luck.

Yep, welcome to calvinism idiocy 101.
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7/17/2014 7:17:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

What about Calvinism?
Better than deserved, as ALWAYS.
"The strongest principle of growth lies in human choices."
"The Lord doesn't promise us a perfect life that is free of problems, but he does promise that He'll get us through anything." ~SweeTea
"Good Times" ~ Max
"If Jesus isn't in heaven, then it's not heaven; instead, it's hell." ~anonymous
"Suffering is unimaginably confusing, but it's a way to be drawn closer to God" ~Me
"Tell me what consumes your heart most, and I'll tell you who your God is." ~Dad
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7/17/2014 7:21:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
God alone has free will.

Only the omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God has absolute freedom to do whatsoever he pleases.

All of creation is under the sovereign control of Almighty God, and can only do what God allows it to do.

And God created all things with certain limitations, that can only be overcome if God enables it.

The creature itself has no power to overcome those limitations.

Therefore, God alone has free will.

Very true
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7/17/2014 8:16:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 6:20:58 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:19:50 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:16:46 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:13:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:07:24 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 6:06:26 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:59:45 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:31:27 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:56:20 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
....Calvinism....

Not Calvinism. Biblical Christianity.

Just a small sample verses from Scripture that speak of God's almighty, sovereign will:

Psalm 135:6
"Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in
all deep places."

Psalm 115:3
"But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases."

Isaiah 46:9-11
"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,"
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it."

Daniel 4:35-37
"All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, "What have You done?"

Romans 9:14-21
"You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?
Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"

Ephesians 1:11
"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, "

Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created
all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."

C.A.L.V.I.N.I.S.M. Of course you have your little verses, so do mormons.

All religions have pieces of Truth in them but none of them has the whole Truth like us saints preach.

Saints? I thought you were the messiah?

A saint is only an illusion that's part of this world like all God's other illusions. What you hear and read from the saints is the invisible Messiah, my created existence in our Creator's thoughts. The Messiah is just another symbolic name that means the same exact thing as the Son of God, Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven, Christ, Light of men, Eternal Life, Holy Spirit, Counselor, Zion, Jacob, Judah, etc.

Mmmhmm, I've already read that from you, more than once.. I'm not that dumb where you have to repeat everything, I have your whole gospel already in my head.

Now it's just a matter of time before God enlightens you with that information I've shared in this forum. Once you're enlightened, you will understand everything I've testified to. Some believers never get enlightened in this age, even though they listened to our gospel ( the voice of the Lord ).

Some will get 30 fold, 60 fold but only us saints get 100 fold.

Sounds like a plan...

We're all living life according to His plan so all we can do is enjoy the ride my friend.
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7/17/2014 10:03:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 5:33:11 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:05:18 PM, PeacefulChaos wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
God alone has free will.

Only the omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God has absolute freedom to do whatsoever he pleases.

All of creation is under the sovereign control of Almighty God, and can only do what God allows it to do.

And among the things God allows us to do, we have a choice as to what we can do.

This is known as free will.

We have free will.

If your will is limited at all, it's not free.

It's just that simple.

Free will is about making choices or decisions. We are capable of doing that, and we thus have free will.

Freedom is something that can be to a degree. And humans have a degree of freedom, regardless of whether or not it's limited. So while we can't just decide to sprout wings and fly due to our physical limitations, we can still make decisions in our daily lives, meaning we have free will.
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7/17/2014 10:20:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 10:03:17 PM, PeacefulChaos wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:33:11 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:05:18 PM, PeacefulChaos wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
God alone has free will.

Only the omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God has absolute freedom to do whatsoever he pleases.

All of creation is under the sovereign control of Almighty God, and can only do what God allows it to do.

And among the things God allows us to do, we have a choice as to what we can do.

This is known as free will.

We have free will.

If your will is limited at all, it's not free.

It's just that simple.

Free will is about making choices or decisions. We are capable of doing that, and we thus have free will.

Freedom is something that can be to a degree. And humans have a degree of freedom, regardless of whether or not it's limited. So while we can't just decide to sprout wings and fly due to our physical limitations, we can still make decisions in our daily lives, meaning we have free will.

Basically, you're saying that we "kind of" have free will, "in a sense", "but it's not totally free."

In other words, we don't have free will.
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7/17/2014 11:28:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
First of all, human beings are NOT self-existent.
They don't exist independent of cause, or transcend time.
So, even their EXISTENCE is dependent upon factors out of their control.

Secondly, Human beings are not omnipotent.
They're subject to all kinds of factors that are completely beyond their control.
Therefore, whatever "choices" human beings "make" are actually determined by factors that are beyond their control.

So, if your very existence is dependent on factors out of your control,
and the same goes for all of your "choices",
then can you REALLY be said to possess "FREE WILL"?
OF COURSE NOT! That's ABSURD!

Everyone knows, deep down, that their will is in bondage, but they just don't admit it to themselves.

It's too painful to the ego to admit that you're not your own God.
But there it is, whether you like it or not.

Now, ONE of the factors that keeps us in bondage is that our VERY NATURE is CORRUPT and SINFUL.

God created the first man, Adam, and the first woman, Eve, WITHOUT SIN, and without blame. They were RIGHTEOUS.

And God WARNED Adam, that REBELLION would result in the curse of DEATH, yet Adam REBELLED.

And so God JUSTLY sent Adam and Eve from Paradise, under the curse, and the sentence of death.

And because of Adam's transgression against God, ALL of US were cast out from Paradise, and are under the curse.

But God sent his Son, Jesus Christ, "the Last Adam", to redeem and to regenerate a people for himself.

Christ established a perfect righteousness in his life on this earth, and died on the cross for the sins of his people.
And having satisfied all the demands of God's Law on behalf of his people, he sends his Spirit into the hearts of his people.
And a NEW NATURE is formed in the hearts of his people, a nature that DOES NOT and CANNOT SIN.
And God's people give glory and honor and praise to his name, and they're justified through faith in God's Son.

Now, just as a person has no say in their natural birth (in that they did not CHOOSE to be born), a person CAN NOT DECIDE for THEMSELVES to be "born again" by the Spirit.
It's a GIFT, GIVEN FREELY by the GRACE of GOD.

No one can MERIT this gift, or DEMAND this gift.
It's given PURELY by GOD'S SOVEREIGN WILL.

And so, your so-called "free will" is an ILLUSION.
You HAVE NO "FREE WILL"
You are SUBJECT to the WILL of GOD in ALL THINGS.

And God will either SAVE you or DAMN you.
And he WILL NOT SAVE ANYONE APART from GOD-GIVEN FAITH in JESUS CHRIST.

You MUST BELIEVE on CHRIST!--On HIS PERSON, and HIS WORK--as your ONLY RIGHTEOUSNESS and ACCEPTANCE with GOD!

You can REBEL all you want, and kick and scream all you want, but there IS NO SALVATION from sin, APART from CHRIST!

And your IMAGINARY "free will" will take you straight down to Hell, if God doesn't CAUSE you to BOW WILLINGLY to HIS SON.
For:
"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." (John 3:36)

My friends,
The Lord Jesus said:
"All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that comes to me I will in no wise cast out." (John 6:37)

He will NEVER turn anyone away who comes to him seeking his mercy.
I pray that God might be pleased to CAUSE you to come to him.
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7/18/2014 12:07:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 6:34:12 PM, Yarowold wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:

Therefore, God alone has free will.

So, that makes prayer pointless, any immoral action valid and any ambitions in life useless... Good luck.

That is a completely erroneous conclusion.

I don't have the slightest idea how you arrived at it.

First of all, prayer is not intended to OVERPOWER the will of God.
The one praying asks for the will of God to be done.
Ever heard "the Lord's Prayer"?
It says: "....Thy Kingdom come, THY WILL BE DONE, on earth, as it is in heaven...."
So God's sovereignty in no way contradicts or makes prayer pointless.

Secondly,
Though rebellion against God always fulfills God's purposes, that doesn't make it OK to rebel.
Only a fool would say something like: "God is sovereign, so let's just go ahead and sin!"
The fact that he's sovereign means that he has the RIGHT to CONDEMN YOU for rebelling against him in sin.

And finally, your ambitions are futile if they go against God, but not if they're aligned with his will.
And anyone who LOVES God makes it his ambition to OBEY God, and to SUBMIT to whatever God sovereignly ordains.

So, your silly argument only makes sense to the VAIN EGO of the REBEL. It makes no actual sense in reality.
You're just engaging in "causistry"--use of clever but unsound reasoning to justify your own immorality.
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7/18/2014 12:33:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/17/2014 5:41:55 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:59:25 PM, Saska wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
God alone has free will.

Only the omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God has absolute freedom to do whatsoever he pleases.

All of creation is under the sovereign control of Almighty God, and can only do what God allows it to do.

And God created all things with certain limitations, that can only be overcome if God enables it.

The creature itself has no power to overcome those limitations.

Therefore, God alone has free will.

Can you prove that?

God allowed the Ukrainian Rebels to shoot down the Malaysian plane? I would say that your entire statement is untrue. Either that or God is an a-hole.

No, I can't prove it.
God has not given me the ability to do that.
It was never his INTENTION to do so.

But he HAS enabled me to PROCLAIM it.
And he HAS allowed you to HEAR it.
And unless HE GIVES you FAITH, you'll NEVER BELIEVE it.

And if you leave this world without faith in Jesus Christ, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

No matter what you do, you are fulfilling GOD'S WILL.
Your so-called "free will" doesn't exist.

And you WILL BOW to Jesus Christ, either in this life and in heaven, or you'll bow to him as he casts you into Hell.

You can believe what you want but I won't be bowing to anyone. I have free will and I will use that to continue living my life as I choose... I have no doubt that the Christian God is not real and I am not afraid of Jesus casting me into hell. If I am wrong, I would still not bow to a God as terrible as the Christian one... Because if he exists, he must be a monster in order to allow all of the horrific things that happen in this world to happen, given that he would be in control of everything.
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7/18/2014 1:31:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/18/2014 12:33:40 AM, Saska wrote:
At 7/17/2014 5:41:55 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:59:25 PM, Saska wrote:
At 7/17/2014 4:51:28 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
God alone has free will.

Only the omnipotent, eternal, self-existent God has absolute freedom to do whatsoever he pleases.

All of creation is under the sovereign control of Almighty God, and can only do what God allows it to do.

And God created all things with certain limitations, that can only be overcome if God enables it.

The creature itself has no power to overcome those limitations.

Therefore, God alone has free will.

Can you prove that?

God allowed the Ukrainian Rebels to shoot down the Malaysian plane? I would say that your entire statement is untrue. Either that or God is an a-hole.

No, I can't prove it.
God has not given me the ability to do that.
It was never his INTENTION to do so.

But he HAS enabled me to PROCLAIM it.
And he HAS allowed you to HEAR it.
And unless HE GIVES you FAITH, you'll NEVER BELIEVE it.

And if you leave this world without faith in Jesus Christ, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

No matter what you do, you are fulfilling GOD'S WILL.
Your so-called "free will" doesn't exist.

And you WILL BOW to Jesus Christ, either in this life and in heaven, or you'll bow to him as he casts you into Hell.

You can believe what you want but I won't be bowing to anyone. I have free will and I will use that to continue living my life as I choose... I have no doubt that the Christian God is not real and I am not afraid of Jesus casting me into hell. If I am wrong, I would still not bow to a God as terrible as the Christian one... Because if he exists, he must be a monster in order to allow all of the horrific things that happen in this world to happen, given that he would be in control of everything.

Let me get this straight....

So, you expect the God of the Bible to prevent all these horrible things from happening, but without "violating" anyone's "free will."

Well, in order to stop them from happening, he'd have to "violate free will".
It's the "free will" of human beings that cause most of these things.

Well, what about "natural disasters," and birth defects, and such things?
Are those the result of Man's will?
Yes, they are!

Now, please listen.
Please hear me out.
Your eternal soul depends upon it.
Just take a few moments to hear me out, OK?

You might THINK "natural disasters", and birth defects, and such things, are not the direct result of human "free will."
But actually, they are -- they're the result of Adam's transgression, which brought death and condemnation upon the world.

When Adam sinned, his whole NATURE became corrupt, and so did ours, both by imputation and by natural generation.
And God sent Adam out of Paradise, into a world under sin's curse.

And the only WAY back to God is through his SON, JESUS CHRIST.
Sinners are JUSTIFIED by FAITH in Jesus Christ.

Through his LIFE, DEATH, and RESURRECTION as the Sinner's Substitute,
he SATISFIED the JUSTICE of GOD for all whom the Father gave him.

And when God sends his Spirit to his people, under the preaching of his Gospel, that Spirit forms a NEW NATURE in the HEARTS of those people..

That NEW NATURE is from above! It LOVES God and OBEYS God.
It's what the Scriptures call: "Christ in you, the hope of glory." (Colossians 1:27)

Now, what you THINK is your "FREE WILL" is just your SINFUL, DEPRAVED WILL.
It's your NATURE, and you can't do a thing to change it.

You must be BORN AGAIN. You must be given a NEW NATURE, or you CAN NOT and WILL NOT be SAVED.

As long as you remain dead in trespasses and sins, your WILL is in BONDAGE to SIN.
But IF GOD GIVES YOU LIFE, through REGENERATION of his SPIRIT, you'll KNOW the TRUTH, and the TRUTH WILL SET you FREE!

Christ said:
"If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:31-32)

He said:
"Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.
Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed."
(John 8:34-36)

Now, WHAT GOOD is your "free will" if it results in DEATH and CONDEMNATION?
Are you really FREE if you're under God's CURSE?
Of COURSE NOT! That's ABSURD!

That's the lie that seduced Eve. The serpent said: "Go ahead. Eat the fruit. You'll be FREE."
But the end result was not freedom, it was DEATH and CONDEMNATION!

Don't believe the lie!
If you want to be free, Come to Christ, and receive eternal life.
For: "... there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." (Romans 8:1)
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7/18/2014 1:36:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Has anyone ever heard a snake speak?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin