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2/26/2010 1:06:53 PM
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At 2/26/2010 12:58:31 PM, CrappyDebater wrote:
What do you personally think happens after you die, if anything?
Go in-depth as you like.

They believe you rot in the ground and nothing else. What a morbid thought. D:
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2/26/2010 1:11:15 PM
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"Matter flows from place to place and momentarily comes together to be you. Some people find that thought disturbing. I find the reality, thrilling!" - Richard Dawkins

"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." - Mark Twain
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2/26/2010 1:29:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/26/2010 1:11:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"Matter flows from place to place and momentarily comes together to be you. Some people find that thought disturbing. I find the reality, thrilling!" - Richard Dawkins

"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." - Mark Twain

So geo do you think your matter will come together again some time in the future?
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2/26/2010 1:46:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/26/2010 1:29:52 PM, CrappyDebater wrote:
At 2/26/2010 1:11:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"Matter flows from place to place and momentarily comes together to be you. Some people find that thought disturbing. I find the reality, thrilling!" - Richard Dawkins

"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." - Mark Twain

So geo do you think your matter will come together again some time in the future?

That's basically reincarnation, lol.
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2/26/2010 3:09:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/26/2010 1:46:20 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
That's basically reincarnation, lol.

A lot of people make the connection between some aspects of Buddhism and atheism, mostly on that point, because essentially the atheist position can be considered one of reincarnation. I mean, our bodies rot, our matter mixes with the dirt, plants draw nutrition from our proteins and nutrients, animals eat plants, humans eat animals, the proteins from that go towards things like sperm or developing fetuses, fetuses grow into babies, babies come from the mother, and in the end, the matter from one person's dead body has helped go towards a new life.

Seems like reincarnation to me.
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2/26/2010 3:47:18 PM
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At 2/26/2010 3:09:56 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 2/26/2010 1:46:20 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
That's basically reincarnation, lol.

A lot of people make the connection between some aspects of Buddhism and atheism, mostly on that point, because essentially the atheist position can be considered one of reincarnation. I mean, our bodies rot, our matter mixes with the dirt, plants draw nutrition from our proteins and nutrients, animals eat plants, humans eat animals, the proteins from that go towards things like sperm or developing fetuses, fetuses grow into babies, babies come from the mother, and in the end, the matter from one person's dead body has helped go towards a new life.

Seems like reincarnation to me.

I suppose you could call that reincarnation, but I was more talking the buddhist/hindu sense in that the body dies and the soul transfers to a new body, etc.
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2/28/2010 7:32:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
What do you personally think happens after you die, if anything?
Go in-depth as you like.


You revert back to the state you were in before you were born. If you can't remember that state, you aren't alone because you weren't conscious before you were born.

So in other words, you conscious ends and you no longer exist.
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2/28/2010 7:43:17 AM
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Personally I remember a blackness before everything just came to be I suppose it would that again, or just nothingness. To say a heaven exists because a lack of heaven wouldn't be nice isn't terrible logic.

I've heard some theories of a conciousness spark.
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2/28/2010 9:49:38 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/26/2010 12:58:31 PM, CrappyDebater wrote:
What do you personally think happens after you die, if anything?
Go in-depth as you like.

I don't know. What do you think happens? Go as in-depth as you like.
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2/28/2010 10:51:06 AM
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At 2/26/2010 3:47:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/26/2010 3:09:56 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 2/26/2010 1:46:20 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
That's basically reincarnation, lol.

A lot of people make the connection between some aspects of Buddhism and atheism, mostly on that point, because essentially the atheist position can be considered one of reincarnation. I mean, our bodies rot, our matter mixes with the dirt, plants draw nutrition from our proteins and nutrients, animals eat plants, humans eat animals, the proteins from that go towards things like sperm or developing fetuses, fetuses grow into babies, babies come from the mother, and in the end, the matter from one person's dead body has helped go towards a new life.

Seems like reincarnation to me.

I suppose you could call that reincarnation, but I was more talking the buddhist/hindu sense in that the body dies and the soul transfers to a new body, etc.

That would work if Atheists believed in souls. Souls are a part of demonology, a part of Religion, so no souls. It's not reincarnation because it's a molecular particle; it's not "you" or retains anything that makes it "you". IE, D(R)NA, Spirit, Essence or appearance.
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2/28/2010 11:35:23 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/28/2010 10:51:06 AM, Zetsubou wrote:

That would work if Atheists believed in souls. Souls are a part of demonology, a part of Religion, so no souls. It's not reincarnation because it's a molecular particle; it's not "you" or retains anything that makes it "you". IE, D(R)NA, Spirit, Essence or appearance.

There are atheists that believe in souls; it's strange to me as well but there are some.
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2/28/2010 12:08:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/26/2010 12:58:31 PM, CrappyDebater wrote:
What do you personally think happens after you die, if anything?
Go in-depth as you like.

Nothing happens. You are dead, there are no experiences to be had.
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2/28/2010 12:19:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/26/2010 1:06:53 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:

They believe you rot in the ground and nothing else. What a morbid thought. D:

rather less morbid than suffering eternally in hell, dontcha think?

in any case, to the best of my knowledge, when i die i cease to exist, so nothing happens to me. also to the best of my knowledge, everything else that is happening now continues to happen, but without me there to see it. all the new discoveries i will never know :(
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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2/28/2010 12:21:33 PM
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At 2/28/2010 12:19:12 PM, belle wrote:
rather less morbid than suffering eternally in hell, dontcha think?

in any case, to the best of my knowledge, when i die i cease to exist, so nothing happens to me. also to the best of my knowledge, everything else that is happening now continues to happen, but without me there to see it. all the new discoveries i will never know :(

You won't be sad about not knowing about all the discoveries because you won't exist however.
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2/28/2010 10:44:41 PM
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At 2/28/2010 12:21:33 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/28/2010 12:19:12 PM, belle wrote:
rather less morbid than suffering eternally in hell, dontcha think?

in any case, to the best of my knowledge, when i die i cease to exist, so nothing happens to me. also to the best of my knowledge, everything else that is happening now continues to happen, but without me there to see it. all the new discoveries i will never know :(

You won't be sad about not knowing about all the discoveries because you won't exist however.

i can be sad about it now! lol
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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2/28/2010 11:05:20 PM
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At 2/28/2010 10:51:06 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 2/26/2010 3:47:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/26/2010 3:09:56 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 2/26/2010 1:46:20 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
That's basically reincarnation, lol.

A lot of people make the connection between some aspects of Buddhism and atheism, mostly on that point, because essentially the atheist position can be considered one of reincarnation. I mean, our bodies rot, our matter mixes with the dirt, plants draw nutrition from our proteins and nutrients, animals eat plants, humans eat animals, the proteins from that go towards things like sperm or developing fetuses, fetuses grow into babies, babies come from the mother, and in the end, the matter from one person's dead body has helped go towards a new life.

Seems like reincarnation to me.

I suppose you could call that reincarnation, but I was more talking the buddhist/hindu sense in that the body dies and the soul transfers to a new body, etc.

That would work if Atheists believed in souls. Souls are a part of demonology, a part of Religion, so no souls. It's not reincarnation because it's a molecular particle; it's not "you" or retains anything that makes it "you". IE, D(R)NA, Spirit, Essence or appearance.

Yea, which is a problem I have with the whole atheism/reincarnation theory that has been presented in this thread.
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3/1/2010 3:24:35 AM
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At 2/28/2010 12:19:12 PM, belle wrote:
At 2/26/2010 1:06:53 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:

They believe you rot in the ground and nothing else. What a morbid thought. D:

rather less morbid than suffering eternally in hell, dontcha think?

in any case, to the best of my knowledge, when i die i cease to exist, so nothing happens to me. also to the best of my knowledge, everything else that is happening now continues to happen, but without me there to see it. all the new discoveries i will never know :(

What makes hell really hell is that you will understand the utter justice, the logic of it..
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3/1/2010 4:03:01 AM
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What makes hell really hell is that you will understand the utter justice, the logic of it..

Torturing beings for not being perfect isn't justice...
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3/1/2010 4:30:50 AM
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At 2/28/2010 10:51:06 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 2/26/2010 3:47:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/26/2010 3:09:56 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 2/26/2010 1:46:20 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
That's basically reincarnation, lol.

A lot of people make the connection between some aspects of Buddhism and atheism, mostly on that point, because essentially the atheist position can be considered one of reincarnation. I mean, our bodies rot, our matter mixes with the dirt, plants draw nutrition from our proteins and nutrients, animals eat plants, humans eat animals, the proteins from that go towards things like sperm or developing fetuses, fetuses grow into babies, babies come from the mother, and in the end, the matter from one person's dead body has helped go towards a new life.

Seems like reincarnation to me.

I suppose you could call that reincarnation, but I was more talking the buddhist/hindu sense in that the body dies and the soul transfers to a new body, etc.

That would work if Atheists believed in souls. Souls are a part of demonology, a part of Religion, so no souls. It's not reincarnation because it's a molecular particle; it's not "you" or retains anything that makes it "you". IE, D(R)NA, Spirit, Essence or appearance.

I thought Bhuddism was a bit like belief in souls...

When they talk of reincarnation, I thought they meant more than just recyling the materials.
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3/1/2010 5:10:57 AM
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At 3/1/2010 4:30:50 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 2/28/2010 10:51:06 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 2/26/2010 3:47:18 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 2/26/2010 3:09:56 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 2/26/2010 1:46:20 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
That's basically reincarnation, lol.

A lot of people make the connection between some aspects of Buddhism and atheism, mostly on that point, because essentially the atheist position can be considered one of reincarnation. I mean, our bodies rot, our matter mixes with the dirt, plants draw nutrition from our proteins and nutrients, animals eat plants, humans eat animals, the proteins from that go towards things like sperm or developing fetuses, fetuses grow into babies, babies come from the mother, and in the end, the matter from one person's dead body has helped go towards a new life.

Seems like reincarnation to me.

I suppose you could call that reincarnation, but I was more talking the buddhist/hindu sense in that the body dies and the soul transfers to a new body, etc.

That would work if Atheists believed in souls. Souls are a part of demonology, a part of Religion, so no souls. It's not reincarnation because it's a molecular particle; it's not "you" or retains anything that makes it "you". IE, D(R)NA, Spirit, Essence or appearance.

I thought Bhuddism was a bit like belief in souls...

When they talk of reincarnation, I thought they meant more than just recyling the materials.

Eh, matter isn't recycled nor is the term soul really analogous with the western concept. Buddhist reincarnation presupposes its metaphysics - non substantialist - instead of things existing with specific properties, reality is a flow of events (dharma). Under mainstream Buddhism (there are differing sects - that's another issue entirely) the concept of 'I' is redundant and upon reincarnation the self isn't reborn, it's aspects of personality (again a slightly different concept than the western one, more a group of dispositions that integrate into the new person). It's not so much one thing being reborn continuously but the flow of one thing. Think of skipping stones I guess for a visual image.
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3/1/2010 8:01:31 AM
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At 3/1/2010 5:10:57 AM, Puck wrote:
Eh, matter isn't recycled nor is the term soul really analogous with the western concept. Buddhist reincarnation presupposes its metaphysics - non substantialist - instead of things existing with specific properties, reality is a flow of events (dharma). Under mainstream Buddhism (there are differing sects - that's another issue entirely) the concept of 'I' is redundant and upon reincarnation the self isn't reborn, it's aspects of personality (again a slightly different concept than the western one, more a group of dispositions that integrate into the new person). It's not so much one thing being reborn continuously but the flow of one thing. Think of skipping stones I guess for a visual image.

But each "thing/person" is an individual non-substantial entity in it's own right, that continues in becoming another manifestation??...

Not like Daoism having One entity with a multitude of changing manifestations of the one which are those "things".
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3/1/2010 8:03:35 AM
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At 3/1/2010 5:10:57 AM, Puck wrote:

Eh, matter isn't recycled

I was talking of the matter of people being "re-used", so to speak, in the beings of other things.
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3/1/2010 1:04:09 PM
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recycled and re-used? yeah those are way different...
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3/1/2010 1:55:32 PM
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I think the Atheist's perspective on reincarnation, is basically, "The nitrogen cycle" on how matter breaks down and is fixed into the soil by earthworms, and feed to grass.
However as I define myself as my genetic code and memories, I'd say part of me ceases to exist, once the brain rots, then one the body is incomphrenisbly gone, I'm gone completely. ^.^

So After life to me, is of course, non-existence for my person, the matter of course, well it doesn't live, but it persists, until it gets used to make gametes and later forms a person. However they won't be me. (for intuitively obvious reasons.)
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3/1/2010 11:49:24 PM
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At 3/1/2010 8:01:31 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
But each "thing/person" is an individual non-substantial entity in it's own right, that continues in becoming another manifestation??...

Not like Daoism having One entity with a multitude of changing manifestations of the one which are those "things".

Nghh. Kinda. Buddhism contains its own inherent contradictions, this being part of one. What's reincarnated is an essence of the person it is not the person reincarnated. It's not seen as an 'own entity' - there is no permanent 'self' there is only aspects , no transmigration occurs -there is rebirth of character but not of self (karma).

Should point out to avoid confusion that karma isn't a 'thing' either, it's not reincarnated - it's what influences the dispositions in each reincarnation (more like a force).
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3/2/2010 3:48:12 AM
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At 3/1/2010 4:03:01 AM, Floid wrote:
What makes hell really hell is that you will understand the utter justice, the logic of it..


Torturing beings for not being perfect isn't justice...

You just CHOSE to take this tone, to be as opposed as possible to the Truth; you just chose hell.. you are the sum of your choices, hell is your choice.
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3/2/2010 3:53:55 AM
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You just CHOSE to take this tone, to be as opposed as possible to the Truth; you just chose hell.. you are the sum of your choices, hell is your choice.

Which doesn't change the fact that by definintion torturing someone for not being perfect isn't a just action.

You can babble on all you want, but you can't change the definition of words.
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3/2/2010 4:01:11 AM
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At 3/2/2010 3:53:55 AM, Floid wrote:
You just CHOSE to take this tone, to be as opposed as possible to the Truth; you just chose hell.. you are the sum of your choices, hell is your choice.

Which doesn't change the fact that by definintion torturing someone for not being perfect isn't a just action.

You can babble on all you want, but you can't change the definition of words.

We were never called to be perfect; we are called to trust Christ to pay the price we cannot pay, YOU choose to change defintions, not I.
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3/2/2010 6:43:56 AM
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At 3/2/2010 3:53:55 AM, Floid wrote:
You just CHOSE to take this tone, to be as opposed as possible to the Truth; you just chose hell.. you are the sum of your choices, hell is your choice.

Which doesn't change the fact that by definintion torturing someone for not being perfect isn't a just action.

You can babble on all you want, but you can't change the definition of words.

our situation on our own is far worse than 'not being perfect'. We can only delude ourselves that we are 'reletively good.' But in truth we are 'very sinfull'

C.S. Lewis once talked about this explaining how the occasions we do sin shed light on who we are. are excuses involve things like 'it just sliped' indicating that this sinfull action is what we are inclined to do very naturaly. He further went on to point out that what we call our behaveing good would likely change if the condlition of our stomach was different, or we are tired, or have a headache. Our self control is weakend in these states and we end up failing to even pretend to be 'reletively good' and can only show our true character underneath.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.