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dattaswami
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2/26/2010 11:46:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Once, a devotee asked Mohammed for the way to please the God. The first thing mentioned by Mohammed (Sallam) to please God was not to kill any innocent living being like bird and animal. He told that if you kill one living being it is equal to killing the entire humanity.

You cannot justify killing the animals for the purpose of eating protein-flesh because God, the capable administrator who created this humanity, already served the purpose by creating protein rich oils. Hence, your killing of animals is without cause and is not acceptable to the concept of Mohammed.

Jesus is seen with love on a lamb in His hands and this indicates the love on animals.

Buddha started the revolution by opposing the killing of animals and He is the embodiment of love and kindness to animals and birds. He left the home on seeing a bird wounded by arrow.

Veda says to kill the animal nature present in yourself but not the actual animal in yajna (Manyuh pashuh…).

Even the modern medical education recommends the natural proteins in vegetables to be better for health than the synthesized proteins in the animal flesh. Science is the principle of nature, which indicates the will of God because nature is creation of God only.

Hindu Manusmruti says that the greatest justice is not to kill any living being (Ahimsaa paramodharmah…).

The tsunami in the sea and the quakes in the earth are only the anger of God in killing the life in water and the life on the land respectively. The sea with its wave-hands is always warning the people not to kill the poor harmless aquatic creatures like fish etc., for the sake of food. God created lot of vegetable food, which is the best even according to present science of health. The sea represents the Lord and finally kills the sinners with his own wave-hands. Goddess earth kills the sinners through quakes since these sinners kill the innocent creatures on the earth.

Tsunami is the result of combined anger of father-sea and mother-earth. These innocent creatures have no advocate and even cannot file a criminal case in our courts. Such formalities are not necessary for His all-pervading court. One sees the punishment only and not the sin, which is the cause.

One sympathizes the human beings affected in other countries also since all human beings are one. But one should broaden his mind and should feel that all the living beings are one and sympathize every living being. The natural calamities will then disappear.

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mattrodstrom
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2/27/2010 9:37:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/26/2010 11:46:43 PM, dattaswami wrote:
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I like meat. In one way or another, I was made such that I like meat.

The universe is set up such that I like meat.

If God made the universe, he made it such that I like meat.
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2/27/2010 9:38:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/26/2010 11:46:43 PM, dattaswami wrote:
The natural calamities will then disappear.

Sure they will.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

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2/27/2010 3:34:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Sounds all well and good till you realise quite a few of the major gods advocate for some and don't overtly prohibit the eating of all animals.

Plus the fact it's the 'best' proven diet is also false, depending on your flavour of particular vegetarianism. Issues with iron and calcium deficiencies (both have long term medical issues if deficient) are at the top followed by the B vitamin group, and omega-3 fatty acids will be absent.

Not to mention both earthquakes and tsunamis occur where no person is present, making the whole I DISAPPROVE OF YOUR METHODS a fairly laughable concept (god has poor aim?). Let's not forget the dubious moral message you wish to impart as well - I don't like hotdogs so I will smite thee. Cause for praise and worship? Again laughable.
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2/27/2010 4:13:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/26/2010 11:46:43 PM, dattaswami wrote:
Once, a devotee asked Mohammed for the way to please the God. The first thing mentioned by Mohammed (Sallam) to please God was not to kill any innocent living being like bird and animal. He told that if you kill one living being it is equal to killing the entire humanity.
This is the same Mohammed that led a jihad to reclaim Mecca for Islam in a military charge?

Jesus is seen with love on a lamb in His hands and this indicates the love on animals.
He also gave his disciples fishing tips. And there's the huge consumption of bread and fish by 5,000 people...

So, yeah.
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2/27/2010 4:16:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Protip: Dattaswami is the type of man to invite you to a social gathering with koolaid.
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2/27/2010 4:20:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/27/2010 4:13:26 PM, mongeese wrote:
This is the same Mohammed that led a jihad to reclaim Mecca for Islam in a military charge?

... And the Christian God is better because he flooded the entire world killing everyone except the ones on Noah's Ark? And how about Jeremiah 19, where God said he would lay siege upon a land and make the inhabitants eat each other? And so on.
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2/27/2010 4:55:14 PM
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dattaswami, did you know that scriptures say that God eats meat?

"But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD." - Leviticus 1:9
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dattaswami
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2/28/2010 12:30:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/27/2010 6:36:45 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Several of Jesus' disciples were fishermen and Jesus ate fish. Fail.

Reply: God's line of attack in the uplift of human beings ...

God incarnates in human form in every country like China, Russia etc also. The people there may be communists, who are strong atheists. Atheism is very strong in them which will take very long time to change in to theism.

Therefore, God will not touch such strong aspects which need lot of time. When God incarnates there, God also acts as an atheist. He will try to reform the defects in flexible concepts like socialism, economic pattern, ethical principle of life etc. God will follow the strongest aspect of ignorance, which is to be rectified after a long time only in the future. Even in the countries which follow theism, non-vegetarian food is a strongest aspect.

Therefore, God in human form will overlook this strongest concept and will concentrate on the concepts, which are possible for modification. Everywhere, God keeps silent over the strong irrepairable concepts and tries to reform the repairable concept only. We should not mistake the silence of God on strong aspect as His permission. In one region and in one span of time, God concentrates on the concepts, which are possible for reformation. The program of God in human form is limited to certain flexible concepts only in a specific region and for a specific generation of humanity. If you understand these limits of the program of God, you can find the human incarnation anywhere at anytime. Jesus followed the system of non-vegetarian food and Sai Baba cooked non-vegetarian food. This does not mean that God has given permission to non-vegetarian food. God in the form of Buddha opposed the non-vegetarian food.

Therefore, God involved in changing certain specific aspects, keeps silent on some other aspects, which need time for change. When time comes, He will concentrate to change those concepts also on which He was silent in the previous incarnations. God will not solve all the problems in single instance of time, since humanity is not so flexible to accept the total change in single instance of time.

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dattaswami
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2/28/2010 1:21:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/28/2010 12:55:19 AM, Puck wrote:
Also, beside making things up entirely, what exactly is the basis for all this?

Reply: Whenever you make any decision, you have to follow three authorities: 1) Shruti i.e., Veda, Bible, Gita; 2) Yukti i.e., logic; 3) Anubhava i.e., experience.

Swami quoted scriptures, added up with logic and practical experience in the world and this forms the basis.

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Puck
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2/28/2010 1:47:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Though how one can reason that God is pro vegetarian from a long list of pro meat eating god men vs. aberrations in Buddha and vedic texts (even then there are at least 4 instances of accepted meat eating that I know of in regards to Buddha) I'm not sure. :) Picking favourites. ;(
dattaswami
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2/28/2010 2:27:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/27/2010 12:02:41 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Here's a really good question: Are you vegetarian, dattaswami? Practice what you preach. ;)

Reply: Swami is a hard core vegetarian. So, He is practicing what He preaches.

Human incarnation cannot directly attack the strong weakness of the people. So, He also ate Non-veg. food in some incarnations.

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2/28/2010 2:51:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/28/2010 2:27:28 AM, dattaswami wrote:\]
Human incarnation cannot directly attack the strong weakness of the people. So, He also ate Non-veg. food in some incarnations.
Translation: Humans are weak.
Humans defeat god who is strong.

????? this is a contradiction unless there's some kind of rock paper scissors crap going on in your particular nuttery. We've got the rock and the paper. Where's the scissors?
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2/28/2010 2:57:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/26/2010 11:46:43 PM, dattaswami wrote:

Even the modern medical education recommends the natural proteins in vegetables to be better for health than the synthesized proteins in the animal flesh. Science is the principle of nature, which indicates the will of God because nature is creation of God only.


Quacks maybe, not real nutrituionists or Doctors.

Look at our teeth, thats millions of years of evolution telling us that we are omnivores. Sure if you want to be a vegetarian for ethical or spiritual reasons then be one, but don't lie and pretend it's for health reasons.
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2/28/2010 7:56:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 2/28/2010 2:27:28 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 2/27/2010 12:02:41 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Here's a really good question: Are you vegetarian, dattaswami? Practice what you preach. ;)

Reply: Swami is a hard core vegetarian. So, He is practicing what He preaches.

Human incarnation cannot directly attack the strong weakness of the people. So, He also ate Non-veg. food in some incarnations.

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Meat is yummy, and completely natural for humans to be eating whether they're religious or not. Sure there's religions that forbid certain types of meat, but that's a different situation and isn't saying religious people can't eat any meat.