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Installgentoo
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7/27/2014 12:10:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Every time I go to the front-page I see pictures of fedoras and trench-coats there.

Why is it so interesting to constantly debate a lack of belief?
annanicole
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7/27/2014 5:56:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 12:10:05 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Every time I go to the front-page I see pictures of fedoras and trench-coats there.

Why is it so interesting to constantly debate a lack of belief?

Because their level of knowledge of the sciences is too low for the science forum.
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7/27/2014 6:17:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Self-Selection I think.

Atheists are generally concentrated in more intelligent circles (such as scientists), and I presume also on debating websites. Hence the greater-than-average number of atheists here.
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7/27/2014 6:49:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
A more serious response:

It's because religion offends our sensibilities as rational human beings. We want to help remove delusional belief systems around the world.

Some topical examples of the harm religion does:

- priests abusing their position of trust to rape and sodomise our young children and then, to compound the heinous crimes, being protected by their churches from retribution.

- after the MH17 crash, a Muslim cleric in Malaysia blamed the cause of disaster on the fact that the airline served alcohol and this was just retribution by Allah.

- in PNG, a high-ranking church official has told his congregation to throw away any HIV medication and pray for a cure instead.

- in Africa, thousands of wlmen are being denounced as witches, being raped and then burnt alive or dismembered, all facilitated by medieval religious beliefs.

- whilst still in Africa, tens of thousands are needlessly dying from AIDS because the church will not condone the use of condoms despite the proven ability to halt the spread of the virus.

Need I go on?
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7/27/2014 7:01:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 6:49:43 PM, dee-em wrote:
A more serious response:

It's because religion offends our sensibilities as rational human beings. We want to help remove delusional belief systems around the world.

Some topical examples of the harm religion does:

- priests abusing their position of trust to rape and sodomise our young children and then, to compound the heinous crimes, being protected by their churches from retribution.

That's Catholicism.

- after the MH17 crash, a Muslim cleric in Malaysia blamed the cause of disaster on the fact that the airline served alcohol and this was just retribution by Allah.

That's Islam.

- in PNG, a high-ranking church official has told his congregation to throw away any HIV medication and pray for a cure instead.

That's Holy-Rollerism.

- in Africa, thousands of wlmen are being denounced as witches, being raped and then burnt alive or dismembered, all facilitated by medieval religious beliefs.

No comment.

- whilst still in Africa, tens of thousands are needlessly dying from AIDS because the church will not condone the use of condoms despite the proven ability to halt the spread of the virus.

As far as I know, the church of Christ fully condones the use of condoms.

Need I go on?

Yes. You can totally do away with Catholicism, Islam, and Holy Rollerism as far as I'm concerned. We'll just take people who believe the Bible and see how that goes.
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7/27/2014 7:03:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 12:10:05 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Every time I go to the front-page I see pictures of fedoras and trench-coats there.

Why is it so interesting to constantly debate a lack of belief?

Response: Because atheism is by far, the most nonsensical belief that a person can think of. Saying that there is no God or a lack of evidence in God, is the most foolish claim. So foolish, that atheists themselves know it, but hold on to it anyway out of pride and ego. So in an effort to not sound so foolish, they gather together on religious forums, desperately trying to not only convince others that atheism is logical, but convince themselves. For even Ray Charles can see that there is a God.
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7/27/2014 7:17:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 7:01:41 PM, annanicole wrote:

That's Catholicism.
That's Islam.
That's Holy-Rollerism.

The last I heard these were all religions, so my point in relation to the thread title still stands.

As far as I know, the church of Christ fully condones the use of condoms.

I wasn't referring to your own particular cult of Christianity, as you well know. Not everything is about you and your beliefs. Catholicism has over 1 billion adherents around the world. You can't simply pretend that it's a bastard child and disown it. It's the dominant brand of Christianity.

Yes. You can totally do away with Catholicism, Islam, and Holy Rollerism as far as I'm concerned. We'll just take people who believe the Bible and see how that goes.

Don't you see how small-minded this makes you sound? Everyone else is deluded but your own small sect of Christianity is not. How is it that others are so easily hoodwinked but you are immune?
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7/27/2014 7:52:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 7:17:29 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 7/27/2014 7:01:41 PM, annanicole wrote:

That's Catholicism.
That's Islam.
That's Holy-Rollerism.

The last I heard these were all religions, so my point in relation to the thread title still stands.

As far as I know, the church of Christ fully condones the use of condoms.

I wasn't referring to your own particular cult of Christianity, as you well know. Not everything is about you and your beliefs. Catholicism has over 1 billion adherents around the world. You can't simply pretend that it's a bastard child and disown it. It's the dominant brand of Christianity.

Come to think of it, Catholicism IS the bastard child of Christianity - although I've never heard it put that way. I fail to see why Christians in general should be held liable for the actions of people who do not even profess to follow the New Testament.

Yes. You can totally do away with Catholicism, Islam, and Holy Rollerism as far as I'm concerned. We'll just take people who believe the Bible and see how that goes.

Don't you see how small-minded this makes you sound?

Everyone else is deluded but your own small sect of Christianity is not.

I do not have a "sect" of Christianity, nor am I the member of any sect.

How is it that others are so easily hoodwinked but you are immune?

There are millions of folks who are not hoodwinked. What makes you think that anyone and everyone who is a Christian has gone off and joined with some sect? Is there anything in the New Testament that makes you come to such a conclusion?
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7/27/2014 8:50:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 7:01:41 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/27/2014 6:49:43 PM, dee-em wrote:
A more serious response:

It's because religion offends our sensibilities as rational human beings. We want to help remove delusional belief systems around the world.

Some topical examples of the harm religion does:

- priests abusing their position of trust to rape and sodomise our young children and then, to compound the heinous crimes, being protected by their churches from retribution.

That's Catholicism.

- after the MH17 crash, a Muslim cleric in Malaysia blamed the cause of disaster on the fact that the airline served alcohol and this was just retribution by Allah.

That's Islam.

- in PNG, a high-ranking church official has told his congregation to throw away any HIV medication and pray for a cure instead.

That's Holy-Rollerism.

- in Africa, thousands of wlmen are being denounced as witches, being raped and then burnt alive or dismembered, all facilitated by medieval religious beliefs.

No comment.

- whilst still in Africa, tens of thousands are needlessly dying from AIDS because the church will not condone the use of condoms despite the proven ability to halt the spread of the virus.

As far as I know, the church of Christ fully condones the use of condoms.

Need I go on?

Yes. You can totally do away with Catholicism, Islam, and Holy Rollerism as far as I'm concerned. We'll just take people who believe the Bible and see how that goes.

Yes, let's do away with about 2.5 billion people.

What they think doesn't matter, right? True Scotsman on 2.5 billion people, I haven't seen that before.

They criticize religion, not your specific sect. And religion does all of the aforementioned things.
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7/27/2014 8:51:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 12:10:05 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Every time I go to the front-page I see pictures of fedoras and trench-coats there.

Why is it so interesting to constantly debate a lack of belief?

I don't know, you tell me. Why is so interesting to constantly provoke atheists?
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7/27/2014 8:52:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 7:03:10 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/27/2014 12:10:05 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Every time I go to the front-page I see pictures of fedoras and trench-coats there.

Why is it so interesting to constantly debate a lack of belief?

Response: Because atheism is by far, the most nonsensical belief that a person can think of. Saying that there is no God or a lack of evidence in God, is the most foolish claim. So foolish, that atheists themselves know it, but hold on to it anyway out of pride and ego. So in an effort to not sound so foolish, they gather together on religious forums, desperately trying to not only convince others that atheism is logical, but convince themselves. For even Ray Charles can see that there is a God.

There is no evidence for God.

The only thing that comes close to evidence is the fine-tuning argument, but that can be debunked by several means.
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7/27/2014 8:56:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 8:52:11 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
God.

There is no evidence for God.

The only thing that comes close to evidence is the fine-tuning argument, but that can be debunked by several means.

Response: The evidence for God is clear. We know so because non-choice cannot originate a repeating pattern, supported by your inability to draw a simple checkerboard without choice. As such, the repeating patterns in the universe and life itself originates from choice, proving God's existence.
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7/27/2014 8:59:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 8:52:11 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 7/27/2014 7:03:10 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/27/2014 12:10:05 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Every time I go to the front-page I see pictures of fedoras and trench-coats there.

Why is it so interesting to constantly debate a lack of belief?

Response: Because atheism is by far, the most nonsensical belief that a person can think of. Saying that there is no God or a lack of evidence in God, is the most foolish claim. So foolish, that atheists themselves know it, but hold on to it anyway out of pride and ego. So in an effort to not sound so foolish, they gather together on religious forums, desperately trying to not only convince others that atheism is logical, but convince themselves. For even Ray Charles can see that there is a God.

There is no evidence for God.

The only thing that comes close to evidence is the fine-tuning argument, but that can be debunked by several means.

There is no evidence for logical truths or mathematical proofs, but I'm sure you know that they are true.
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7/27/2014 8:59:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 8:56:35 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/27/2014 8:52:11 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
God.

There is no evidence for God.

The only thing that comes close to evidence is the fine-tuning argument, but that can be debunked by several means.

Response: The evidence for God is clear. We know so because non-choice cannot originate a repeating pattern, supported by your inability to draw a simple checkerboard without choice. As such, the repeating patterns in the universe and life itself originates from choice, proving God's existence.

Really? Because the particles themselves that make up everything in the known universe are without choice. Those particles are what result in everything, therefore patterns are their doing. Therefore non-choice can result in patterns.

Are you done with that stupid analogy?
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7/27/2014 9:02:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 8:59:05 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
At 7/27/2014 8:52:11 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 7/27/2014 7:03:10 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/27/2014 12:10:05 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Every time I go to the front-page I see pictures of fedoras and trench-coats there.

Why is it so interesting to constantly debate a lack of belief?

Response: Because atheism is by far, the most nonsensical belief that a person can think of. Saying that there is no God or a lack of evidence in God, is the most foolish claim. So foolish, that atheists themselves know it, but hold on to it anyway out of pride and ego. So in an effort to not sound so foolish, they gather together on religious forums, desperately trying to not only convince others that atheism is logical, but convince themselves. For even Ray Charles can see that there is a God.

There is no evidence for God.

The only thing that comes close to evidence is the fine-tuning argument, but that can be debunked by several means.

There is no evidence for logical truths or mathematical proofs, but I'm sure you know that they are true.

Because it's epistemologically necessary. I can't speak or even think without using logical truths. But I can certainly carry on fine thinking that God doesn't exist.

One way to think about it is that evidence includes that which is self-evidence. Or, if you're not a fundamentalist (I mean that epistemologically), evidence includes that which is epistemologically necessary, lest we become epistemologically paralyzed.
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7/27/2014 9:05:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 8:59:30 PM, Hematite12 wrote:

Really? Because the particles themselves that make up everything in the known universe are without choice. Those particles are what result in everything, therefore patterns are their doing. Therefore non-choice can result in patterns.

Are you done with that stupid analogy?

Response: And by stating that non-choice originated repeating patterns in your examples, and at the same time, failing to draw a simple checkerboard without choice, that means that the evidence for non-choice contradicts. A contradiction of evidence is not proof. So you fail, leaving choice as the only option, proving God exist.

Are you done being exposed and debunked with that same flawed response?
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7/27/2014 9:09:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 9:05:44 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/27/2014 8:59:30 PM, Hematite12 wrote:

Really? Because the particles themselves that make up everything in the known universe are without choice. Those particles are what result in everything, therefore patterns are their doing. Therefore non-choice can result in patterns.

Are you done with that stupid analogy?

Response: And by stating that non-choice originated repeating patterns in your examples, and at the same time, failing to draw a simple checkerboard without choice, that means that the evidence for non-choice contradicts. A contradiction of evidence is not proof. So you fail, leaving choice as the only option, proving God exist.


I'm not stating anything, it is an obvious fact that even you cannot deny that particles lack choice, but they exhibit all of the order and repetition of chemistry.

A checkerboard isn't something that results without choice. But a checkerboard is also not representative of all order and repetition and pattern in the universe. I gave you an example where non-choice results in pattern. There happens to be a scenario where non-choice doesn't result in the specific pattern you want at the moment (i.e. the checkerboard), but clearly non-choice can result in patterns, just not the specific pattern you want arbitrarily.

Are you done being exposed and debunked with that same flawed response?
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7/27/2014 9:16:54 PM
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At 7/27/2014 9:09:08 PM, Hematite12 wrote:

I'm not stating anything, it is an obvious fact that even you cannot deny that particles lack choice, but they exhibit all of the order and repetition of chemistry.

A checkerboard isn't something that results without choice. But a checkerboard is also not representative of all order and repetition and pattern in the universe. I gave you an example where non-choice results in pattern. There happens to be a scenario where non-choice doesn't result in the specific pattern you want at the moment (i.e. the checkerboard), but clearly non-choice can result in patterns, just not the specific pattern you want arbitrarily.

Are you done being exposed and debunked with that same flawed response?

Response: Actually, you showed that choice is the reason why your examples results in repeating patterns, since the evidence for non-choice is a contradiction. Contradicting evidence is not proof. You cannot say logically that you have proof that non-choice works because you have examples, because according to such logic, non-choice does not work because there are examples of it not working. Your evidence contradicts. So it is flawed. Once again, showing that choice is the cause, proving God's existence.
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7/27/2014 10:59:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 8:50:32 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 7/27/2014 7:01:41 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/27/2014 6:49:43 PM, dee-em wrote:
A more serious response:

It's because religion offends our sensibilities as rational human beings. We want to help remove delusional belief systems around the world.

Some topical examples of the harm religion does:

- priests abusing their position of trust to rape and sodomise our young children and then, to compound the heinous crimes, being protected by their churches from retribution.

That's Catholicism.

- after the MH17 crash, a Muslim cleric in Malaysia blamed the cause of disaster on the fact that the airline served alcohol and this was just retribution by Allah.

That's Islam.

- in PNG, a high-ranking church official has told his congregation to throw away any HIV medication and pray for a cure instead.

That's Holy-Rollerism.

- in Africa, thousands of wlmen are being denounced as witches, being raped and then burnt alive or dismembered, all facilitated by medieval religious beliefs.

No comment.

- whilst still in Africa, tens of thousands are needlessly dying from AIDS because the church will not condone the use of condoms despite the proven ability to halt the spread of the virus.

As far as I know, the church of Christ fully condones the use of condoms.

Need I go on?

Yes. You can totally do away with Catholicism, Islam, and Holy Rollerism as far as I'm concerned. We'll just take people who believe the Bible and see how that goes.

Yes, let's do away with about 2.5 billion people.

OK


What they think doesn't matter, right? True Scotsman on 2.5 billion people, I haven't seen that before.

What the Bible says = what matters to a Christian.

They criticize religion, not your specific sect. And religion does all of the aforementioned things.

Religion, yes. Christianity, no.
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7/27/2014 11:09:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/27/2014 8:56:35 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/27/2014 8:52:11 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
God.

There is no evidence for God.

The only thing that comes close to evidence is the fine-tuning argument, but that can be debunked by several means.

Response: The evidence for God is clear. We know so because non-choice cannot originate a repeating pattern, supported by your inability to draw a simple checkerboard without choice. As such, the repeating patterns in the universe and life itself originates from choice, proving God's existence.

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7/27/2014 11:13:10 PM
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At 7/27/2014 10:59:53 PM, annanicole wrote:
What the Bible says = what matters to a Christian.

Says who?
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7/27/2014 11:15:12 PM
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At 7/27/2014 7:03:10 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 7/27/2014 12:10:05 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Every time I go to the front-page I see pictures of fedoras and trench-coats there.

Why is it so interesting to constantly debate a lack of belief?

Response: Because atheism is by far, the most nonsensical belief that a person can think of. Saying that there is no God or a lack of evidence in God, is the most foolish claim. So foolish, that atheists themselves know it, but hold on to it anyway out of pride and ego. So in an effort to not sound so foolish, they gather together on religious forums, desperately trying to not only convince others that atheism is logical, but convince themselves. For even Ray Charles can see that there is a God.

That's so funny coming from you.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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7/27/2014 11:28:59 PM
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At 7/27/2014 11:13:10 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/27/2014 10:59:53 PM, annanicole wrote:
What the Bible says = what matters to a Christian.

Says who?

Says Christians. Who else would be in a position to say?

And, by the way, what other alternative is there for a Christian? (That'll never be answered. NEVER.)
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7/27/2014 11:46:30 PM
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At 7/27/2014 8:51:02 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 7/27/2014 12:10:05 PM, Installgentoo wrote:
Every time I go to the front-page I see pictures of fedoras and trench-coats there.

Why is it so interesting to constantly debate a lack of belief?

I don't know, you tell me. Why is so interesting to constantly provoke atheists?

I don't know, you tell me. Why is it so interesting to rant on and on about the fallacies of religion?
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7/27/2014 11:46:46 PM
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At 7/27/2014 11:28:59 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/27/2014 11:13:10 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/27/2014 10:59:53 PM, annanicole wrote:
What the Bible says = what matters to a Christian.

Says who?

Says Christians. Who else would be in a position to say?

And, by the way, what other alternative is there for a Christian? (That'll never be answered. NEVER.)

So your god doesn't say?
Surely the alternative is that your god would order it, not Martin Luther.
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7/27/2014 11:48:58 PM
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Atheists are ignorant. They say "Prove to me God exists", and when you do, they're like, "You can't force your beliefs upon me, or "But there is no evidence for God", so basically it's a waste of time.
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7/27/2014 11:55:44 PM
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People of almost every religion are gathered with me laughing at this.
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7/27/2014 11:57:18 PM
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At 7/27/2014 11:48:58 PM, birdlandmemories wrote:
Atheists are ignorant. They say "Prove to me God exists", and when you do, they're like, "You can't force your beliefs upon me, or "But there is no evidence for God", so basically it's a waste of time.

Excuse me? I am an atheist. Am I ignorant for not sharing a belief in god? Couldn't I call non-believers of fairies ignorant for not seeing the evidence?
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7/27/2014 11:59:35 PM
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At 7/27/2014 11:46:46 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/27/2014 11:28:59 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 7/27/2014 11:13:10 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/27/2014 10:59:53 PM, annanicole wrote:
What the Bible says = what matters to a Christian.

Says who?

Says Christians. Who else would be in a position to say?

And, by the way, what other alternative is there for a Christian? (That'll never be answered. NEVER.)

So your god doesn't say?
Surely the alternative is that your god would order it, not Martin Luther.

(That'll never be answered. NEVER.)

Where do I sign up as a professional prophet?
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