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feverish
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3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM
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So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?
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3/7/2010 3:55:59 PM
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At 3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM, feverish wrote:
So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is the Son of God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?

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3/7/2010 4:17:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 3:55:59 PM, True2GaGa wrote:
At 3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM, feverish wrote:
So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is the Son of God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?

Fix'd

I think you're forgetting that whole "Holy Trinity" concept - you know, three in one?
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3/7/2010 4:19:18 PM
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At 3/7/2010 4:17:15 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 3/7/2010 3:55:59 PM, True2GaGa wrote:
At 3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM, feverish wrote:
So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is the Son of God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?

Fix'd

I think you're forgetting that whole "Holy Trinity" concept - you know, three in one?

That's only trinitarianism, but yeah thats most accepted.
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3/7/2010 4:49:04 PM
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At 3/7/2010 3:51:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
Whoever Mary was sleeping with behind Joseph's back.

Blasphemy!
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3/7/2010 4:53:18 PM
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At 3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM, feverish wrote:
So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?

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3/7/2010 5:29:24 PM
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At 3/7/2010 4:53:18 PM, badger wrote:
At 3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM, feverish wrote:
So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?

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3/8/2010 11:37:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/8/2010 11:33:57 AM, BlessedCheesemaker wrote:
Jesus had a combination of Jewish DNA (through Mary) and Roman DNA (Through Panthera)

who's panthera??
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3/8/2010 11:38:23 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/8/2010 11:37:01 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 3/8/2010 11:33:57 AM, BlessedCheesemaker wrote:
Jesus had a combination of Jewish DNA (through Mary) and Roman DNA (Through Panthera)

who's panthera??

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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3/8/2010 12:37:09 PM
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It is sickering that so many confessing Christians come up with unreasonable suggestions!

Firstly it was a miracle done by God. A miracle changes the law of science to fit the will of God. If Jesus can turn water into wine, and share five loafs of bread and two fish amoung 5,000 people in groups of 50 then His entrance into the physical universe could surly have worked. If you question one miracle, you question them all, believe one, believe them all.

A miracle only happens once, making it all a personal experience, otherwise we would all believe. Now talking DNA, Marry was a virgin, but I think the fact that Jesus Christ was the second Adam being that He did not have the corrupted DNA in Him, which is passed down through the seed of man, gives the understanding that Jesus Christ to be born of a virgin was a necessity. It is a miracle that each person sleeps and awakes each morning or at all. Our bodies go into a subconscious/unconscious state and thus our bodies have no reason to re-awake again.

The family tree of Jesus is Seths not Cains. (I would strongly recommend you to look up David Pawson on this) Cains tree includes the Babylonians and people of wickenness right throughout the Bible, where as the family of Seth are people who want righteousness, even to this day. Jesus Christ was born of a virgin so that He could not only fulfill the righteous men in the Old Testiment, but to take away their sin (Moses, Issic, Abraham, Joshua, the prophets etc) And the unrighteous, like those who do not know God. So if the virgin birth never happened, Jesus Christ was never the Jesus Christ of the Bible, I and millions of others have not been forgiven and never will. And since the Bible is the Word of God, like I said, if you believe one miracle you believe them all, well I say, if you believe one part of the Bible you must believe it all. So as the Bible is the Word of God, Christianity would be not only alittle wrong, but absolutely 100% wrong!
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3/8/2010 3:12:45 PM
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This discussions dosnt have to be about belief in miricals Godsands. We can still accept it as a given that his conception was immaculate and still have thought provoking discussion about what his DNA was. like does that mean god miraculosly moved the DNA from joseph into mary without there phisical contact.? or was mary's DNA not even a part of jesus but his DNA about as unique as Adams was? I have heard some presbiterins say that theologicaly that sin is transfered through the male and that jesus was 100% mary's DNA and that is why he did not have the stain of adam and did not sin.
I personaly have serious problems with the last theory because I find its an important fundemental of our faith that jesus did in fact carry the stain of adam himself and perseveared to not sin anyway, and because of this his example is valid for us to follow. if he did not carry the stain to start with than we should not bother concerning ourselves with his example because we are not built the same to start with and are simply not capable of not sinning like him. if he did not have the stain then he was in fact not fully human but only half human.

Theologically I have no problem with josephs DNA still playing a role in 'cooking' baby jesus in marys 'oven' even if joseph didnt git to put that DNA in there the fun way (poor guy, lol).
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3/8/2010 3:51:57 PM
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It is genetically possible that Jesus was made up entirely of his mother's DNA. It would still be nothing short of miraculous - it's genetic feasibility notwithstanding.
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3/9/2010 3:16:52 AM
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At 3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM, feverish wrote:
So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?

Josephs: Jesus is the seed and the descendant of King David.

When a normal human conception takes place it is still God that allows that to happen.. this time, and this time only, He by-passed the normal chain of events.. this was the same as Christ's ministry: Every year God makes the grain grow and the fish multiply.. the miracle of the five loaves and two fish is the same thing only smaller and faster.. every year God 'raises the dead' whenever a conception takes place and a child is born.. As I was born physically complete and healthy He has given me my sight and made me walk just as surely as Christ heals the blind and the lame..

Hope this helps.
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3/9/2010 3:29:12 AM
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This topic proves how fake athiesem is.!
This question is designed to confuse,and not to reach a conclusion..!
Nothing could prove contradictions...!
How could you prove phisical with existance of god when he is designed not to be phisical..!
All we have prove is his effect on phisical..! Phisical is a maniphastation of god..!
And every dna is maniphasted the same way..!!
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3/9/2010 7:50:29 AM
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At 3/9/2010 3:16:52 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM, feverish wrote:
So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?

Josephs: Jesus is the seed and the descendant of King David.

When a normal human conception takes place it is still God that allows that to happen.. this time, and this time only, He by-passed the normal chain of events..

Wow thanks DATC, that is actually a really interesting suggestion as it explains the disparity between the emphathis on the Davidian bloodline and the immaculate conception.

You're saying that The Holy Spirit actually extracted Joseph's seed by some means and implanted it in Mary's womb, am I right?

Out of interest, is there a Biblical source for this hypothesis or did you reach your conclusion by some other means?
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3/9/2010 7:54:22 AM
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At 3/9/2010 3:16:52 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM, feverish wrote:
So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?

Josephs:

Somehow, if that's the case, I have a feeling that the term 'virgin' mary is a bit misleading...

Jesus is the seed and the descendant of King David.
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3/9/2010 12:25:30 PM
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At 3/9/2010 7:50:29 AM, feverish wrote:
At 3/9/2010 3:16:52 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM, feverish wrote:
So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?

Josephs: Jesus is the seed and the descendant of King David.

When a normal human conception takes place it is still God that allows that to happen.. this time, and this time only, He by-passed the normal chain of events..

Wow thanks DATC, that is actually a really interesting suggestion as it explains the disparity between the emphasis* on the Davidian bloodline and the immaculate conception.

You're saying that The Holy Spirit actually extracted Joseph's seed by some means and implanted it in Mary's womb, am I right?

Out of interest, is there a Biblical source for this hypothesis or did you reach your conclusion by some other means?

woops.
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3/9/2010 1:11:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/8/2010 3:51:57 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
It is genetically possible that Jesus was made up entirely of his mother's DNA. It would still be nothing short of miraculous - it's genetic feasibility notwithstanding.

What are you innocent of, InquireTruth?
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3/10/2010 7:11:27 PM
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At 3/8/2010 3:51:57 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
It is genetically possible that Jesus was made up entirely of his mother's DNA. It would still be nothing short of miraculous - it's genetic feasibility notwithstanding.

Then how could he be male?
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3/10/2010 7:16:19 PM
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At 3/8/2010 3:51:57 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
It is genetically possible that Jesus was made up entirely of his mother's DNA. It would still be nothing short of miraculous - it's genetic feasibility notwithstanding.

Then he'd be a clone, because he'd be an exact copy of Mary, if he had only her DNA. You need two sets of DNA - 23 from the mother, 23 from the father - to make a human.
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3/10/2010 11:35:23 PM
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At 3/10/2010 7:16:19 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 3/8/2010 3:51:57 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
It is genetically possible that Jesus was made up entirely of his mother's DNA. It would still be nothing short of miraculous - it's genetic feasibility notwithstanding.

Then he'd be a clone, because he'd be an exact copy of Mary, if he had only her DNA. You need two sets of DNA - 23 from the mother, 23 from the father - to make a human.

Wrong. It is called natural parthenogenesis in a female with Mosaic Turner's syndrome (or any other sort of disease that gave her some x chromosomes).
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3/11/2010 1:46:10 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/10/2010 11:35:23 PM, InquireTruth wrote:
At 3/10/2010 7:16:19 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 3/8/2010 3:51:57 PM, InquireTruth wrote:

It is called natural parthenogenesis in a female with Mosaic Turner's syndrome (or any other sort of disease that gave her some x chromosomes).

Yeah, I've heard about this parthenogenesis when asking this question elsewhere.

Out of interest IT, what do you make of DATC's theory about God/The Holy Spirit implanting Joseph's genes in Mary?
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3/11/2010 7:55:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/9/2010 7:54:22 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 3/9/2010 3:16:52 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM, feverish wrote:
So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?

Josephs:

Somehow, if that's the case, I have a feeling that the term 'virgin' mary is a bit misleading...

Jesus is the seed and the descendant of King David.

So an artificial insemination is akin to sexual intercourse?
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3/11/2010 7:57:13 AM
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At 3/9/2010 7:50:29 AM, feverish wrote:
At 3/9/2010 3:16:52 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/7/2010 3:49:40 PM, feverish wrote:
So if you're a Christian and believe that Jesus is God and became fully human but you also accept the scientific facts of DNA then whose did he have apart from that of his mother?

Josephs: Jesus is the seed and the descendant of King David.

When a normal human conception takes place it is still God that allows that to happen.. this time, and this time only, He by-passed the normal chain of events..

Wow thanks DATC, that is actually a really interesting suggestion as it explains the disparity between the emphathis on the Davidian bloodline and the immaculate conception.

You're saying that The Holy Spirit actually extracted Joseph's seed by some means and implanted it in Mary's womb, am I right?

Or EVEN just the DNA..

Out of interest, is there a Biblical source for this hypothesis or did you reach your conclusion by some other means?

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