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Jesus: God or Son of God?

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3/7/2010 4:45:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The concept of the Trinity, the Son of God, and Jesus as God, creates a lot of confusion. I just wanted to hear Christians answer to this and what they refer to him as.
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3/7/2010 4:47:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Jesus is the son of the father and both are God.
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3/7/2010 4:50:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:47:48 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Jesus is the son of the father and both are God.

That's what the Trinity is. Not all Christians believe in the Trinity, though.

I know Catholics believe in the Trinity.
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3/7/2010 4:52:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:50:15 PM, Nags wrote:
That's what the Trinity is. Not all Christians believe in the Trinity, though.

All true Christians do, the rest are heretics.
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3/7/2010 4:54:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:52:32 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Yea, and that makes no sense.

The one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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3/7/2010 4:54:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:52:56 PM, Reasoning wrote:
All true Christians do, the rest are heretics.

Is this supposed to be an attempt at dry humor? If so, it fails.
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3/7/2010 4:54:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:52:56 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:50:15 PM, Nags wrote:
That's what the Trinity is. Not all Christians believe in the Trinity, though.

All true Christians do, the rest are heretics.

That would make Catholics "true Christians," which would end up being a fail in most respects.
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3/7/2010 4:56:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:54:08 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:52:32 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Yea, and that makes no sense.

The one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

I just don't understand how one can be both God and the son of God at the same time.
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3/7/2010 4:58:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:56:47 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:54:08 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:52:32 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Yea, and that makes no sense.

The one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

I just don't understand how one can be both God and the son of God at the same time.

This is God we're talking about.
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3/7/2010 4:58:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:54:52 PM, Volkov wrote:
That would make Catholics "true Christians," which would end up being a fail in most respects.

Catholicism is the one true faith.
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3/7/2010 4:59:32 PM
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At 3/7/2010 4:56:47 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I just don't understand how one can be both God and the son of God at the same time.

This is why it is known as the mystery of the Most Holy Trinity.
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3/7/2010 5:00:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:58:42 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:54:52 PM, Volkov wrote:
That would make Catholics "true Christians," which would end up being a fail in most respects.

Catholicism is the one true faith.

HA. Who told you THAT lie?
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3/7/2010 5:00:57 PM
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"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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3/7/2010 5:02:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:58:42 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:54:52 PM, Volkov wrote:
That would make Catholics "true Christians," which would end up being a fail in most respects.

Catholicism is the one true faith.

Catholicism is widely criticized, even by its own adherents, as straying too far from Biblical teachings, which means even they think your statement fails.

And to note, the Trinity concept is a pretty recent one, only recently adopted by the Catholic church. That would be another fail, since it means for most of its history, Catholicism has been heretical.
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3/7/2010 5:02:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:59:32 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:56:47 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I just don't understand how one can be both God and the son of God at the same time.

This is why it is known as the mystery of the Most Holy Trinity.

Well most christians don't even understand it. That in itself seems problematic.
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3/7/2010 5:06:42 PM
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At 3/7/2010 5:02:13 PM, Volkov wrote:
Catholicism is widely criticized, even by its own adherents, as straying too far from Biblical teachings, which means even they think your statement fails.

Argumentum ad populum.

And to note, the Trinity concept is a pretty recent one, only recently adopted by the Catholic church. That would be another fail, since it means for most of its history, Catholicism has been heretical.

"In 325, the Council of Nicaea adopted a term for the relationship between the Son and the Father that from then on was seen as the hallmark of orthodoxy; it declared that the Son is "of the same substance" as the Father. This was further developed into the formula "three persons, one substance". The answer to the question "What is God?" indicates the one-ness of the divine nature, while the answer to the question "Who is God?" indicates the three-ness of "Father, Son and Holy Spirit"." - Wikipedia[1]

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...
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3/7/2010 5:09:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 5:02:28 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:59:32 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:56:47 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I just don't understand how one can be both God and the son of God at the same time.

This is why it is known as the mystery of the Most Holy Trinity.

Well most christians don't even understand it. That in itself seems problematic.

Oh, shush you. Your God f*cked little children.
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3/7/2010 5:10:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 4:58:42 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Catholicism is the one true faith.

lmao. Can you prove this?

Council of Nicaea

Appeal to authority.
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3/7/2010 5:11:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 5:09:52 PM, Nags wrote:
Oh, shush you. Your God f*cked little children.

To be fair. I don't think InsertNameHere believes that Muhammad is God. In fact, I believe she would consider such a belief to be heresy.
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3/7/2010 5:11:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 5:09:52 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/7/2010 5:02:28 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:59:32 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:56:47 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I just don't understand how one can be both God and the son of God at the same time.

This is why it is known as the mystery of the Most Holy Trinity.

Well most christians don't even understand it. That in itself seems problematic.

Oh, shush you. Your God f*cked little children.

Well Muhammad isn't God so your argument fails. :)
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3/7/2010 5:12:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 5:11:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/7/2010 5:09:52 PM, Nags wrote:
Oh, shush you. Your God f*cked little children.

Well Muhammad isn't God so your argument fails. :)

He's the founder of Islam and messenger of God, so your religion fails.
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3/7/2010 5:14:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 5:12:26 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/7/2010 5:11:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/7/2010 5:09:52 PM, Nags wrote:
Oh, shush you. Your God f*cked little children.

Well Muhammad isn't God so your argument fails. :)

He's the founder of Islam and messenger of God, so your religion fails.

Your mom fails.
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3/7/2010 5:14:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 5:14:25 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/7/2010 5:12:26 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/7/2010 5:11:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/7/2010 5:09:52 PM, Nags wrote:
Oh, shush you. Your God f*cked little children.

Well Muhammad isn't God so your argument fails. :)

He's the founder of Islam and messenger of God, so your religion fails.

I know.
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3/7/2010 5:17:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 5:10:40 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:58:42 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Catholicism is the one true faith.

lmao. Can you prove this?

Catholicism was the first form of Orthodox Christianity.

Council of Nicaea

Appeal to authority.

The Council of Nicaea compiled the Bible.
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3/7/2010 5:17:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 5:10:40 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:58:42 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Catholicism is the one true faith.

lmao. Can you prove this?

"I believe in ... one holy catholic ... church" - Nicene Creed[1]

Council of Nicaea

Appeal to authority.

The quote was to prove that the question of the trinity has been settled for some time now.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...
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3/7/2010 5:20:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 5:06:42 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Argumentum ad populum.

Lol, no, you troll, it isn't. That would require me saying "because these many people disagree, you're wrong." I simply made the statement that it is widely criticized even by its own adherents as straying too far from Biblical teachings, and that even by their standards, your statement is fail. It's not a definitive argument, just a statement.
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3/7/2010 5:21:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 5:20:31 PM, Volkov wrote:
Lol, no, you troll, it isn't. That would require me saying "because these many people disagree, you're wrong." I simply made the statement that it is widely criticized even by its own adherents as straying too far from Biblical teachings, and that even by their standards, your statement is fail. It's not a definitive argument, just a statement.

Then it is irrelevant what they think.
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3/7/2010 5:22:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/7/2010 5:17:04 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/7/2010 5:10:40 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/7/2010 4:58:42 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Catholicism is the one true faith.

lmao. Can you prove this?

Catholicism was the first form of Orthodox Christianity.

How does this prove Catholicism is the one true faith?

Council of Nicaea

Appeal to authority.

The Council of Nicaea compiled the Bible.

So? The Council of Nicaea didn't happen until 325 CE. It's still an appeal to authority.