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Skyangel
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8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.
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8/13/2014 6:42:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

I agree that God must be an entity of pure love. How do you explain the origin of existence if God is an abstract concept?
DPMartin
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8/13/2014 6:52:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I don"t know who your god is, but what you are talking about isn"t the God of Israel nor Jesus Christ. Maybe you should specify who the god you are talking about is.

There is a lot of people who worship relationship between themselves and other people. It seems that just might be a god to you.
Skyangel
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8/13/2014 6:56:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 6:42:37 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

I agree that God must be an entity of pure love. How do you explain the origin of existence if God is an abstract concept?

Love is not an entity Ben. It has no specific shape or form. Love is an emotion, a feeling, an action, an attitude which is manifest in many ways through many living things at the same time. Love does not exist as an individual entity. Love is not an invisible character you can talk to. You can only talk to humans who either love and appreciate you or to those who do not care if you are dead or alive.

Existence itself has no origin. It just is what it is. It is like Love or any other emotion or attitude. You also cannot find the origin of Love or any other emotion. It is just something that has always existed and always reproducers itself through the living. Existing things originate from the existing things before them which originate from the existing things before them etc etc. That is an eternal cycle and eternal principle of existing things reproducing after their own kind. You cannot find a beginning or end to that principle.
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8/13/2014 7:02:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 6:52:04 PM, DPMartin wrote:
I don"t know who your god is, but what you are talking about isn"t the God of Israel nor Jesus Christ. Maybe you should specify who the god you are talking about is.


There is a lot of people who worship relationship between themselves and other people. It seems that just might be a god to you.

The bible clearly states that God IS LOVE.
Love is not something you refer to as a "who".
Most logical people would refer to it as a "what".

Love is an action which needs and demands no worship in the sense of religious rituals.

The man Jesus is merely a story character who represents love personified. Any human on Earth who lives and acts in the attitude of love also is love personified on this earth.

Love is not a man or a woman. Love is in the people who abide in love. It can be seen and recognised through people but it is not an individual character.
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8/13/2014 7:18:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 6:56:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:42:37 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

I agree that God must be an entity of pure love. How do you explain the origin of existence if God is an abstract concept?

Love is not an entity Ben. It has no specific shape or form. Love is an emotion, a feeling, an action, an attitude which is manifest in many ways through many living things at the same time. Love does not exist as an individual entity. Love is not an invisible character you can talk to. You can only talk to humans who either love and appreciate you or to those who do not care if you are dead or alive.

Existence itself has no origin. It just is what it is. It is like Love or any other emotion or attitude. You also cannot find the origin of Love or any other emotion. It is just something that has always existed and always reproducers itself through the living. Existing things originate from the existing things before them which originate from the existing things before them etc etc. That is an eternal cycle and eternal principle of existing things reproducing after their own kind. You cannot find a beginning or end to that principle.

Existence can't be eternal. We exist in time. Time captures a succession of events that have a relative duration. If time is relative to eternity, we'd never have a succession of events that led to this present moment in time because the number of prior events are endless. It's difficult to explain, but logically, existence couldn't have existed forever. If God is an emotion, why not label other emotions such as anger or sadness gods?

There's good reason to believe that love is the manifest of a conscious entity. Love enhances well-being. Humans are made to glorify God, or in other words, to share the pure love of God. If we were made to do God's will, it makes sense why love is the basis of our moral code, why love is the most important essence of life, and why it is so good (maximizes well-being of ourself and others).
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8/13/2014 7:30:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

Go Away phony hypocrite! You write "God is love" and then spend most all your posts showing the opposite of love to anyone who dares criticize your vapid ideology that never has made spiritual contact with God. When you manage to have a real spiritual experience of God, then come back and talk about it, but we don't want or need your atheism that never found God and settles for common awe of nature. Please stop posting your atheism that has not a clue what God is Who for starters seems to never leave those who meet God in denial of such experience. But atheists without that spiritual experience trying to peddle atheist "Deism", forget it, that's for the naive without spiritual knowledge and experience.
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8/13/2014 8:03:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

Does love send people to hell?
celestialtorahteacher
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8/13/2014 10:24:06 PM
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No but Paul did, the man who ironically wrote the best words about true love yet like Skyangle, couldn't put love into practice when it meant going against his doctrines.
Skyangel
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8/13/2014 11:42:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 8:03:33 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

Does love send people to hell?

Hell is not a location where anyone can be sent. Hell is a state of mind. Love cannot send anyone any place. People send other people to different places and whether they do it in love or not is a matter of opinion.
Love is an attitude in people. Love is expressed in many different ways which might not always be seen as love by the people who judge the actions of others rather than their motives.
Skyangel
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8/14/2014 12:18:46 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 7:18:41 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:56:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:42:37 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

I agree that God must be an entity of pure love. How do you explain the origin of existence if God is an abstract concept?

Love is not an entity Ben. It has no specific shape or form. Love is an emotion, a feeling, an action, an attitude which is manifest in many ways through many living things at the same time. Love does not exist as an individual entity. Love is not an invisible character you can talk to. You can only talk to humans who either love and appreciate you or to those who do not care if you are dead or alive.

Existence itself has no origin. It just is what it is. It is like Love or any other emotion or attitude. You also cannot find the origin of Love or any other emotion. It is just something that has always existed and always reproducers itself through the living. Existing things originate from the existing things before them which originate from the existing things before them etc etc. That is an eternal cycle and eternal principle of existing things reproducing after their own kind. You cannot find a beginning or end to that principle.

Existence can't be eternal. We exist in time. Time captures a succession of events that have a relative duration. If time is relative to eternity, we'd never have a succession of events that led to this present moment in time because the number of prior events are endless. It's difficult to explain, but logically, existence couldn't have existed forever. If God is an emotion, why not label other emotions such as anger or sadness gods?


Existence can indeed be eternal. It all depends on how you look at it. If you look at one individual existing thing from the time it is born or conceived till the time it dies or disintegrates back to dust, you can logically conclude that individual existence is temporary and you would be correct. However if you look at the bigger picture and understand existing things come from their parents who also came from their parents etc etc etc. that CYCLE is never ending. You cannot find a beginning to it any more than you can find an end to it. Time also has no beginning or end. No one can claim that time began at "X" point in history and will end at "Z" point in the future. The reason is because there is always a yesterday and a tomorrow before and after any point in time or any sequence of time whether humans are aware of it or not. As you said yourself, prior events are endless. The fact that they are endless makes the events as eternal as time itself. Existing things come from prior existing things. Take that principle to its logical conclusion and you have an endless or eternal existence in the big picture.
God is more than just one emotion of love. God is described in many ways in the bible and one of those ways is as existence itself. All that exists basically says "I am that I am" without even speaking. It says or declares it by simply existing regardless of what people say or believe about it. God is all that exists which includes all emotions in humans. God is life itself. Life is constantly living and dying at the very same time in its cycle of eternal existence.

There's good reason to believe that love is the manifest of a conscious entity. Love enhances well-being. Humans are made to glorify God, or in other words, to share the pure love of God. If we were made to do God's will, it makes sense why love is the basis of our moral code, why love is the most important essence of life, and why it is so good (maximizes well-being of ourself and others).

Love is obviously a manifestation of a human attitude or emotion. Humans are obviously conscious entities. It is also a manifestation of the nurturing and caring instinct many animals have toward their own offspring. They are also conscious entities.
Love enhances the well being of people. It is also the cause of many heartaches, jealously and can even lead to death.
Humans are not made to do anything. Robots are made and programmed to do certain things. Humans are merely the product of a sexual relationship between humans regardless of whether that relationship is loving or not.
Human choose to do what they do. They choose to be loving or not be loving. They can however be brainwashed by other humans to do or not do certain things.
Love has no will of its own. Humans have a will to love or not. Love itself has no say in whether a person loves others or not.

I agree that love is an important aspect of life but it is not something you can talk to and ask it to give you something like you talk to people and ask them for what you want from them.
It is quite ridiculous to talk to it like you were talking to an invisible friend.
Skyangel
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8/14/2014 12:23:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 7:30:22 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

Go Away phony hypocrite! You write "God is love" and then spend most all your posts showing the opposite of love to anyone who dares criticize your vapid ideology that never has made spiritual contact with God. When you manage to have a real spiritual experience of God, then come back and talk about it, but we don't want or need your atheism that never found God and settles for common awe of nature. Please stop posting your atheism that has not a clue what God is Who for starters seems to never leave those who meet God in denial of such experience. But atheists without that spiritual experience trying to peddle atheist "Deism", forget it, that's for the naive without spiritual knowledge and experience.

I am not an atheist. You are in error. You are making a huge mistake in judgement.
Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about.
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8/14/2014 9:34:52 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 7:02:55 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:52:04 PM, DPMartin wrote:
I don"t know who your god is, but what you are talking about isn"t the God of Israel nor Jesus Christ. Maybe you should specify who the god you are talking about is.


There is a lot of people who worship relationship between themselves and other people. It seems that just might be a god to you.

The bible clearly states that God IS LOVE.
Love is not something you refer to as a "who".
Most logical people would refer to it as a "what".

Love is an action which needs and demands no worship in the sense of religious rituals.

The man Jesus is merely a story character who represents love personified. Any human on Earth who lives and acts in the attitude of love also is love personified on this earth.

Love is not a man or a woman. Love is in the people who abide in love. It can be seen and recognised through people but it is not an individual character.

The God of Israel of which Jesus Christ is the Son of, is said to be the Living God at least 30 times in the OT and NT. There is a reason why the scriptures are longer than three words, you know. There is more to be said about the Living God then "God is love".

The Living God is many things to many people, a deliverer, a savior, merciful righteous faithful, Lord, wisdom knowledge and understanding, so on and so forth. But Jesus also said that God is a Spirit and the whole bible is about those who followed after the Voice of the True and Living God.

If you want to make up your own god, fine many people do, but the God of Israel is a Living God. The true God isn't according to you, He is according to what He says. Read more than three words, if you have interest in the God of Israel.

Also it seems that love is according to what you want it to be, sounds like a teenager"s view of things. How one feels maybe real, but what one feels isn"t reality. No more than what one thinks of the lion, the lion will rip you to pieces, and no matter how one feels about the bear, the bear will rip you to pieces.
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8/16/2014 4:39:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/14/2014 9:34:52 AM, DPMartin wrote:
At 8/13/2014 7:02:55 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:52:04 PM, DPMartin wrote:
I don"t know who your god is, but what you are talking about isn"t the God of Israel nor Jesus Christ. Maybe you should specify who the god you are talking about is.


There is a lot of people who worship relationship between themselves and other people. It seems that just might be a god to you.

The bible clearly states that God IS LOVE.
Love is not something you refer to as a "who".
Most logical people would refer to it as a "what".

Love is an action which needs and demands no worship in the sense of religious rituals.

The man Jesus is merely a story character who represents love personified. Any human on Earth who lives and acts in the attitude of love also is love personified on this earth.

Love is not a man or a woman. Love is in the people who abide in love. It can be seen and recognised through people but it is not an individual character.

The God of Israel of which Jesus Christ is the Son of, is said to be the Living God at least 30 times in the OT and NT. There is a reason why the scriptures are longer than three words, you know. There is more to be said about the Living God then "God is love".

Of course there is but the whole idea of God being an individual man in the heavens is as childish as the idea of Santa being an individual man at the North Pole.
The concept is very real but the individual man is fictional.

The Living God is many things to many people, a deliverer, a savior, merciful righteous faithful, Lord, wisdom knowledge and understanding, so on and so forth. But Jesus also said that God is a Spirit and the whole bible is about those who followed after the Voice of the True and Living God.

Exactly God is a SPIRIT or a concept. A spirit is an attitude, an emotion, a feeling, a vibe, not a man or a woman. A spirit can be in many people at the same time. It is sensed in a crowd, eg, a spirit of joy, a spirit of anger, a spirit of love, a spirit of hate, etc. Spirits are not individual beings.

If you want to make up your own god, fine many people do, but the God of Israel is a Living God. The true God isn't according to you, He is according to what He says. Read more than three words, if you have interest in the God of Israel.

I am not making up my own God any more than you make up your own Santa when you understand Santa is not an individual man but a concept which is manifest through all of humanity. The true God is like the true Santa. We are God in the same way that we are Santa. Life in general is God. It lives and dies daily at the very same time.

Also it seems that love is according to what you want it to be, sounds like a teenager"s view of things. How one feels maybe real, but what one feels isn"t reality. No more than what one thinks of the lion, the lion will rip you to pieces, and no matter how one feels about the bear, the bear will rip you to pieces.

It seems to me that the God is Israel according to you is also what you want him to be. Calling God a "him" also sounds like a teenagers view of things or a childs view of Santa. I had that view when I was a child but I grew up and put away childish things.
A wild animal might rip you to pieces but no one by the name of God is going to rip anyone apart or condemn anyone. It is only people who condemn each other and put each other down. People also condemn themselves and put themselves down.
Love is what it is and sometimes it is very tough. It is not always a sweet feeling which makes people feel good.
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8/16/2014 6:30:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

Then just call it love. What the hell do you need the word "God" for?

And if you are going to invent your own language then why use a word that carries so much baggage with it?
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8/16/2014 6:32:09 PM
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At 8/14/2014 12:23:53 AM, Skyangel wrote:
I am not an atheist. You are in error.

Well I named my car God, and since I believe my car exists I guess I am not an atheist either.
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8/16/2014 6:41:14 PM
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At 8/16/2014 6:30:26 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

Then just call it love. What the hell do you need the word "God" for?

And if you are going to invent your own language then why use a word that carries so much baggage with it?

Humans made up the word God so they can manipulate other humans, make laws and claim those laws are not man made but made by some superior being that humans ought to obey or else. It is a way for humans to avoid taking responsibility for their own manipulative ways.
Human language is always made by humans it all carries baggage regardless of the language. That is why humans often misunderstand each other. The problem of misunderstanding is even worse when trying to interpret or translate one language into another one.

Even the word Love carries a lot of baggage. What appears to be loving to one person might not appear to be loving to another at all. It's all in the perception.
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8/16/2014 6:44:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 6:41:14 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:30:26 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

Then just call it love. What the hell do you need the word "God" for?

And if you are going to invent your own language then why use a word that carries so much baggage with it?

Humans made up the word God so they can manipulate other humans, make laws and claim those laws are not man made but made by some superior being that humans ought to obey or else. It is a way for humans to avoid taking responsibility for their own manipulative ways.
Human language is always made by humans it all carries baggage regardless of the language. That is why humans often misunderstand each other. The problem of misunderstanding is even worse when trying to interpret or translate one language into another one.

Even the word Love carries a lot of baggage. What appears to be loving to one person might not appear to be loving to another at all. It's all in the perception.

So you're an atheist. Got it.
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8/16/2014 6:45:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 6:32:09 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/14/2014 12:23:53 AM, Skyangel wrote:
I am not an atheist. You are in error.

Well I named my car God, and since I believe my car exists I guess I am not an atheist either.

I like your sense of humor.

The bible also refers to God as the spirit of life. The spirit of life is not hard to recognize on Earth. It happens to be in all living things. I am sure most people can recognize if something is dead or alive.
The living have the spirit of life in them.
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8/16/2014 6:48:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 6:32:09 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/14/2014 12:23:53 AM, Skyangel wrote:
I am not an atheist. You are in error.

Well I named my car God, and since I believe my car exists I guess I am not an atheist either.

I believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God which may make us of opposite faith or belief. But the simple truth you have expressed here doesn"t sink into the thick sculls that don"t want to admit they are trying to justify their own version of what they want a god to be. This goes on in churches all the time. The honesty and integrity and ethical reasoning just isn"t there.

I guess religions are like cans of soup on a grocery store shelf, pick your god and you are correct because you know what you want your god to be like.
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8/16/2014 6:48:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 6:44:33 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:41:14 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:30:26 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

Then just call it love. What the hell do you need the word "God" for?

And if you are going to invent your own language then why use a word that carries so much baggage with it?

Humans made up the word God so they can manipulate other humans, make laws and claim those laws are not man made but made by some superior being that humans ought to obey or else. It is a way for humans to avoid taking responsibility for their own manipulative ways.
Human language is always made by humans it all carries baggage regardless of the language. That is why humans often misunderstand each other. The problem of misunderstanding is even worse when trying to interpret or translate one language into another one.

Even the word Love carries a lot of baggage. What appears to be loving to one person might not appear to be loving to another at all. It's all in the perception.

So you're an atheist. Got it.

Only in the sense that I do not believe in the invisible magical man in the sky. That person is a mythical character.
I do believe in the Spirit of Life and Love which is in all living things because I can see and recognize it in action even in Atheists. Some of them are more loving than Christians.
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8/16/2014 7:01:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 6:48:29 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:32:09 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/14/2014 12:23:53 AM, Skyangel wrote:
I am not an atheist. You are in error.

Well I named my car God, and since I believe my car exists I guess I am not an atheist either.

I believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God which may make us of opposite faith or belief. But the simple truth you have expressed here doesn"t sink into the thick sculls that don"t want to admit they are trying to justify their own version of what they want a god to be. This goes on in churches all the time. The honesty and integrity and ethical reasoning just isn"t there.

I guess religions are like cans of soup on a grocery store shelf, pick your god and you are correct because you know what you want your god to be like.

It is really quite irrelevant as to whether Jesus Christ was a real person or not. The fact is that people believed in God even before stories of Jesus Christ were ever mentioned on Earth. The character Jesus is merely a representative of God the same as you or any other human on this planet is also a representative of God. The same spirit of life which was in the story character is also in you. Does that not also make you God in the flesh on Earth? Are you not also a son of God?

Some thick skulls cannot comprehend that God is a Spirit, not a man and that Spirit is manifest on this Earth in the flesh at all times. It is not just manifest in one human in history. The Spirit of Life is manifest in and through ALL life forms not just in one character named Jesus.

However Christians don"t want to admit they are trying to justify their own version of what they want a god to be. They want Jesus to be God and God to be Jesus. They can't handle the Truth that they are worshipping an idol and have turned God into a man. The honesty and integrity and ethical reasoning just isn't there.
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8/16/2014 7:10:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 6:45:19 PM, Skyangel wrote:

The bible also refers to God as the spirit of life. The spirit of life is not hard to recognize on Earth. It happens to be in all living things. I am sure most people can recognize if something is dead or alive.
The living have the spirit of life in them.

No no, you just said that your god is love, the love that is between people, spirit doesn"t prove to be the same as your god, that is only expressed through people as love. Are you building your god as you go, or what? What about spirit of jealousy, or spirit of wisdom, or the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; so on and so forth. Aren"t devils spirits too? What do those things have to do with love expressed through mankind.

Also its human nature to love anything, cars, money, self importance. Some love to do terrible things to the helpless and the week. Is this an expression of your god made up of anything you might like?
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8/16/2014 7:44:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 7:01:01 PM, Skyangel wrote:

It is really quite irrelevant as to whether Jesus Christ was a real person or not. The fact is that people believed in God even before stories of Jesus Christ were ever mentioned on Earth. The character Jesus is merely a representative of God the same as you or any other human on this planet is also a representative of God. The same spirit of life which was in the story character is also in you. Does that not also make you God in the flesh on Earth? Are you not also a son of God?

Where did you get this information from? Do you expect me to believe that rapist and murderers and worse are children of God, bacause you want it to be so?

Also since you say that God is a Spirit of Life then what makes you think that something living, isn't a being. All living things are beings of one sort or another. Don't you know that living things must receive life from life? And something that has life is living, or it doesn't have life nor the power to give life.
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8/16/2014 8:25:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 7:10:41 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:45:19 PM, Skyangel wrote:

The bible also refers to God as the spirit of life. The spirit of life is not hard to recognize on Earth. It happens to be in all living things. I am sure most people can recognize if something is dead or alive.
The living have the spirit of life in them.

No no, you just said that your god is love, the love that is between people, spirit doesn"t prove to be the same as your god, that is only expressed through people as love. Are you building your god as you go, or what? What about spirit of jealousy, or spirit of wisdom, or the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; so on and so forth. Aren"t devils spirits too? What do those things have to do with love expressed through mankind.

Also its human nature to love anything, cars, money, self importance. Some love to do terrible things to the helpless and the week. Is this an expression of your god made up of anything you might like?

Why are you saying no no? Don't you understand the concept of God being more than just one thing and being manifest in more than just one way?

Is your view so narrow minded that you limit God to only one thing?

Do you find it difficult to discuss more than one aspect of anything at any one time?

God is all and in all. Life includes all spirits. I am sure any mature logical thinking person would comprehend that fact.
The word devil simply means adversary. Adversaries exist in life. They are not good or bad they are simply attitudes which are against the opposite attitudes. Any person can be an advocate of something and also an adversary of something. You can be both and so can anyone in life. It all depends on the circumstances and what you are fighting for or against.
God is a jealous God according to scripture so is jealously a bad thing or a good thing?
God also hates according to scripture so hate itself is not a bad spirit.
All spirits can be manifest through humans. Love is not the only spirit manifest though humans.
What do any other spirits or attitudes have to do with love? They are all part of Life. You cannot know what's good if you don't know what's bad and vice versa. Love is the thing that teaches and nurtures people so they mature and understand these things.

There is a vast difference between loving something and caring for it vs lusting after something for ones own pleasure. Don't confuse lust with love.
Doing terrible things to the weak and helpless is not love. Humans are greedy selfish people who are capable of horrid acts. They believe they are made in the image of God.

Humans create their gods in their own image and then fail to please that image because the standards they set for it is stands they cannot attain no matter how hard they try.

Life is what it is and humans do what they do for whatever reasons they use to justify their own actions.
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8/16/2014 8:55:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 6:48:44 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:44:33 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:41:14 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:30:26 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

Then just call it love. What the hell do you need the word "God" for?

And if you are going to invent your own language then why use a word that carries so much baggage with it?

Humans made up the word God so they can manipulate other humans, make laws and claim those laws are not man made but made by some superior being that humans ought to obey or else. It is a way for humans to avoid taking responsibility for their own manipulative ways.
Human language is always made by humans it all carries baggage regardless of the language. That is why humans often misunderstand each other. The problem of misunderstanding is even worse when trying to interpret or translate one language into another one.

Even the word Love carries a lot of baggage. What appears to be loving to one person might not appear to be loving to another at all. It's all in the perception.

So you're an atheist. Got it.

Only in the sense that I do not believe in the invisible magical man in the sky. That person is a mythical character.
I do believe in the Spirit of Life and Love which is in all living things because I can see and recognize it in action even in Atheists. Some of them are more loving than Christians.

That is a very big "only" since that magic man in the sky is what about 95% of the population is referring to when they talk about God.
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8/16/2014 8:58:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 7:44:36 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 8/16/2014 7:01:01 PM, Skyangel wrote:

It is really quite irrelevant as to whether Jesus Christ was a real person or not. The fact is that people believed in God even before stories of Jesus Christ were ever mentioned on Earth. The character Jesus is merely a representative of God the same as you or any other human on this planet is also a representative of God. The same spirit of life which was in the story character is also in you. Does that not also make you God in the flesh on Earth? Are you not also a son of God?



Where did you get this information from? Do you expect me to believe that rapist and murderers and worse are children of God, bacause you want it to be so?

I get this information from experiencing life itself. Life is filled with information as well as filled with things which are perceived as good and bad by humans.
The term "children of God" refers to all humans who were apparently created in the image of God. Does God have many children or just one son? God is the Father of ALL is he not? God created evil, did he not? Is Satan a child of God since he apparently presented himself before God as part of the group of sons of God in Job 1:6 ?
What about religious people who claim to worship God and are filled with hypocrisy and deception? Jesus told them their Father was the devil. is the Father of the religious hypocrites today still the devil or is he God? Is God the adversary who is against their hypocrisy or the advocate of their hypocrisy?

Also since you say that God is a Spirit of Life then what makes you think that something living, isn't a being. All living things are beings of one sort or another. Don't you know that living things must receive life from life? And something that has life is living, or it doesn't have life nor the power to give life.

I never said something living isn't a being. A being is something that exists in reality. It is what it is. Living things are obviously physical beings but the attitudes and spirits within the beings are not physical beings but spiritual beings. The spiritual beings merely manifest through the physical beings. That does not make the spiritual beings individual physical beings like making one individual named Jesus God. The spiritual beings can have many different physical manifestations at the very same time. They are never confined to one individual physical being.
Life and any spirit included in life is not one individual being. The Spirit of Life or spirits of life include all life forms of the past present and future. One individual is no more significant than a single cell in a human body. The physical body of God is the sum of all LIFE forms of the past present and future.
I am well aware that life receives life from life. Life comes from nothing but life. Therefore life and the Spirit of Life in the past must have always existed for current life to exist at all. That eternal existence of life in general is why people believe in eternal life. That is a perfectly logical reason to believe in it. It is also perfectly logical to know that all individual physical living things die eventually and do not live forever. The physical passes away but the spirit abides forever. That applies to all spirits regardless of whether humans judge them as good or bad.
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8/16/2014 9:17:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 8:55:26 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:48:44 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:44:33 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:41:14 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 8/16/2014 6:30:26 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
Love is an attitude and an action not a character. Love is manifest in all characters who live and act in love. Love can only be seen and recognized through the people who act in love.
Worshiping an invisible character is a very childish way to show Love to anyone.
Show Love to people and you are showing them God.
Love is personified through humans.
When you see and feel love through humans, you see and feel God through humans.

Then just call it love. What the hell do you need the word "God" for?

And if you are going to invent your own language then why use a word that carries so much baggage with it?

Humans made up the word God so they can manipulate other humans, make laws and claim those laws are not man made but made by some superior being that humans ought to obey or else. It is a way for humans to avoid taking responsibility for their own manipulative ways.
Human language is always made by humans it all carries baggage regardless of the language. That is why humans often misunderstand each other. The problem of misunderstanding is even worse when trying to interpret or translate one language into another one.

Even the word Love carries a lot of baggage. What appears to be loving to one person might not appear to be loving to another at all. It's all in the perception.

So you're an atheist. Got it.

Only in the sense that I do not believe in the invisible magical man in the sky. That person is a mythical character.
I do believe in the Spirit of Life and Love which is in all living things because I can see and recognize it in action even in Atheists. Some of them are more loving than Christians.

That is a very big "only" since that magic man in the sky is what about 95% of the population is referring to when they talk about God.

I can't help it if 95% of humans are immature and incapable of understanding the concept exists but the magic man does not. It is much like understanding the way a child thinks because you once were a child but when you grow up you think differently but you don't forget the way a child thinks. The difficult part is getting the child to comprehend things in an adult fashion. That takes time and can take a very long time depending on the immaturity of the child. If you tell a child who believes in Santa that Santa does not exist, you might destroy his world and he might not believe you because he has evidence of Santa bringing him presents. However, one day he must grow up and become Santa and give presents to others and work hard to pay for those presents instead of expecting them to drop out of the sky into his lap.
It is much the same when telling Christians or other religious people that God is not a man in the sky but they are God in the same way they are Santa. It is a concept in which humans choose to live or not. It is an attitude of Love which includes telling the truth to others instead of letting them remain deceived by childish ignorance. The truth can be hard to bear when it destroys a persons fantasies and magical friends including their invisible supernatural friends but it is a necessary part of growing up and facing reality.
The concept of God as Love makes far more practical sense than the idea of a Father figure in the sky. Anyone can live in love and most people want to live in love and have a good attitude toward life and all life forms rather than live in hate and bad attitudes.

Love is about telling the immature the truth and helping them grow mature in their understanding of a concept so they understand the man is a myth but the attitude is not a myth. Love can be manifest through all people regardless of whether they still believe in mythical characters or not. The sad thing is that Christians and other religious people cannot see or understand that the Atheist is showing them love by telling them their supernatural man is just a myth. Some see the light eventually but sadly some die in their delusions and never face reality. Escaping reality is what most people try to do all their lives.
Religion keeps people in bondage under the guise of setting them free.
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8/16/2014 9:20:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
And the Bible is wrong. Love is an emotion. It's a biological reaction to behaviors which illicit a chemical response, and the further reaction to those chemicals.

Why is it so damned hard for people to understand that a collection of writings, selected with a bias, by a group of men who couldn't even agree without 42-years of infighting, political corruption, and attrition, didn't produce anything of any special worth?

The Bible is wrong. It's wrong when it talks about God, when it talks about plants growing without warmth, when it claims patterns in animal fur are determined by the field of view of the parents when copulating... It's wrong when it talks about morality. It's wrong when it promotes slavery, genocide, infanticide, hatred, bigotry, war, rape and killing, and it's wrong when it equates a strong emotion, to the character it calls "God".
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/16/2014 9:55:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/16/2014 9:20:47 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/13/2014 6:18:04 PM, Skyangel wrote:
God is not some supernatural man, not some magical man who creates something out of nothing and not an invisible character in the heavens any more than Santa is a magical man at the North Pole.
The bible clearly teaches that God is Love.
And the Bible is wrong. Love is an emotion. It's a biological reaction to behaviors which illicit a chemical response, and the further reaction to those chemicals.

Why is it so damned hard for people to understand that a collection of writings, selected with a bias, by a group of men who couldn't even agree without 42-years of infighting, political corruption, and attrition, didn't produce anything of any special worth?

The Bible is wrong. It's wrong when it talks about God, when it talks about plants growing without warmth, when it claims patterns in animal fur are determined by the field of view of the parents when copulating... It's wrong when it talks about morality. It's wrong when it promotes slavery, genocide, infanticide, hatred, bigotry, war, rape and killing, and it's wrong when it equates a strong emotion, to the character it calls "God".

The bible is merely a story book. Story books are neither right or wrong. They are telling stories and it is up to the reader to either accept the story as true or false, fact or fiction. Regardless of whether you accept it as fact or fiction, the story still teaches a lesson or has a moral which it is teaching. The reader can either make some attempt to comprehend that lesson and apply it to their life or not depending on whether they think it has any value or validity to their life or not.
Love is indeed an emotion and also an attitude. Whether it is just a biological reaction or a chemical response or an instinct is debatable but we all agree it exists in this life regardless of whether we agree about what it is and where it comes from or not. The fact is that it is inbuilt into life and not just human life forms.

It is not hard for anyone to understand the bible is a collection of ancient literature. It is also not hard to understand the history of how it was compiled. However, the literature exists despite the arguments about it. The fact is that the writers wrote stories which are obviously very controversial and can be interpreted in many different ways. How people think and what they believe is up to each individual. None of us can change anyone elses minds but we can discuss what we think and try to explain why we think the way we think. Each person will keep what is of value to themselves personally and throw away the rest.
The bible is not wrong any more than the story of the three pigs or the story of red riding hood are wrong. It is the readers who are either right or wrong in the way they interpret the story. If you understand a story is fictional but teaches a good lesson and you take the lesson to heart, is there something wrong with that?

A story talking about God is no more wrong than a story talking about Santa. It is the human perception of the God or the Santa which is either right or wrong.
A story which talks about plants growing without warmth is obviously not talking about physical plants. Therefore you need to look at it in a different way. When a story claims patterns in animal fur are determined by the field of view of the parents when copulating, it is not talking about physical animals. Morality and immorality are a matter of perception and depend on what culture you were brought up in and what you were taught was acceptable or not. Whether slavery is good or not depends on whether you wish to be in bondage to a master or not and whether that master is good to you or bad to you. Many religious people are in bondage to their religious organizations and slaves to their gods.
Life is filled with opposites whether humans like that fact or not. Opposites are what they are regardless of how humans judge them.
There are two ways to perceive the bible stories. You can take them literally and apply them to physical things or you can take them spiritually and apply them to spiritual concepts. When is comes to killing children, in a physical sense that is wrong in the judgement of most humans. However if you look at it in a spiritual sense and understand it is about getting rid of ones own immaturity or sacrificing ones own inner child not any physical child, that is a totally different thing which causes a person to mature instead of continuing to live in childish concepts which cannot see past the outward physical things.

To die daily is to grow up from being a child to becoming an adult. Sacrificing ones own child is about dying to your own inner child and letting it pass away in the process of becoming mature. Some people just never grow up but like to hold on to their childish ways of seeing things.

The bible is a compilation of stories about spiritual things. It is not about physical things at all. It simply uses physical things to teach spiritual lessons. The mature can understand that principle. The immature obviously cannot. Hopefully they will when they mature.