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8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/19/2014 11:07:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
When any honest answer defeats your purpose, it's best not to answer, huh?
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/19/2014 11:10:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Pauline Christianity is a blood-thirsty religion. It rejoices in bloodshed. BLOOD, blood, blood, poured out from wounded Jesus to be the King's Son ransom for a blood-thirsty god who kills everyone one way or another. Jesus' blood is the magical sop that makes all the vicious god's blood and gore and agony of no matter. Just pour more Blood on it. The Blood of Christ somehow makes it all better. Despite history showing blood-thirsty Christian delivering up more bloodshed per religious believer than any of the others. Get a bucket, not a rope. Or better yet. Compost the whole deal and get a better religion.
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8/19/2014 11:13:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/19/2014 11:10:37 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Pauline Christianity is a blood-thirsty religion. It rejoices in bloodshed. BLOOD, blood, blood, poured out from wounded Jesus to be the King's Son ransom for a blood-thirsty god who kills everyone one way or another. Jesus' blood is the magical sop that makes all the vicious god's blood and gore and agony of no matter. Just pour more Blood on it. The Blood of Christ somehow makes it all better. Despite history showing blood-thirsty Christian delivering up more bloodshed per religious believer than any of the others. Get a bucket, not a rope. Or better yet. Compost the whole deal and get a better religion.

No disagreement here, except... maybe we've had more than enough religion. Get a rational belief system instead.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/20/2014 2:26:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
The mark of accuracy! (Christians are afraid to answer.)
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/20/2014 4:37:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I have participated in "pounding the nails through Jesus' flesh", with my sin and rebellion, there is blood on my hands. Now I will take up my cross and follow Him.

What's more interesting is that just hours after you posted this you're already patting yourself on the butt lol, you must of really thought this was special.
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8/20/2014 4:52:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 4:37:57 AM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
I have participated in "pounding the nails through Jesus' flesh", with my sin and rebellion, there is blood on my hands. Now I will take up my cross and follow Him.

What's more interesting is that just hours after you posted this you're already patting yourself on the butt lol, you must of really thought this was special.

I give you credit for being creative in your way around answering. The question wasn't, "What have you done which lead to the death of Jesus", it was "would you pick up the hammer and pound the nails through his flesh". All very literal.

As for your hope of putting me down, the thread has been up for 8-hours, and has only received two responses that weren't mine, and yours is the only response from a Christian. So sorry, but my observations were correct. One Christian response in 8-hours is conspicuously low.

But as long as you want to play snarky-sniper, the phrase is "you must HAVE really thought", not "you must OF really thought". It's the meaning of the word that matters, not how much it sounds like a different word. "Have" and "of" have very different meanings. The phrase "must of really thought" is absolutely meaningless.

But this does illustrate your willingness to simply repeat what you THINK you're hearing, without applying any cognitive assessment before deciding that it's correct. And THAT'S how one gets to be a theist.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!
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8/20/2014 5:28:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!
Answer the question newt. Too afraid? hahahahaha
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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8/20/2014 5:43:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 5:28:13 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!
Answer the question newt. Too afraid? hahahahaha

It is answered troll. Its been answered for two thousand years.

Obviously, the highlight of intellectualism is being ignorant, demonstrating basic comprehension problems, and assuming people are 'afraid' rather than just disgusted with an obvious troll.

YEAH ATHEISM!!!
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8/20/2014 5:44:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!

If you think you have a point to make, then quit clucking and spit it out. I've not suggested anything contrary to many of your various versions of silly superstitious zombie-Jew. You lightly insinuate that I have, then say nothing of value but attempt to berate me as though I've suggested something incorrect. Stand up, you silly critter! This vague jabbing just leaves you looking like the neighborhood retarded kid poking at a snake.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/20/2014 5:47:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 5:44:31 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!

If you think you have a point to make, then quit clucking and spit it out. I've not suggested anything contrary to many of your various versions of silly superstitious zombie-Jew. You lightly insinuate that I have, then say nothing of value but attempt to berate me as though I've suggested something incorrect. Stand up, you silly critter! This vague jabbing just leaves you looking like the neighborhood retarded kid poking at a snake.

The concept of Atonement is not hidden beasty.

And for someone who claims 'superior' knowledge about our faith, to NOT KNOW how it addresses your point is ... ignorant indeed.

If you need me to spell out one of the most basic premises of Christianity, kindly just ask me to - in the correct spirit of humbleness as you clearly do not get how Atonement applies to imperfect humans. Even though its pretty clear to those of us who understand Atonement ... or are at least aware of it.

Again, are YOU knowledgeable of our faith or not?
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8/20/2014 5:48:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 5:43:25 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:28:13 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!
Answer the question newt. Too afraid? hahahahaha

It is answered troll. Its been answered for two thousand years.

Obviously, the highlight of intellectualism is being ignorant, demonstrating basic comprehension problems, and assuming people are 'afraid' rather than just disgusted with an obvious troll.

YEAH ATHEISM!!!

No, you have not answered the question. It's one thing to lie. It's quite another to lie about something so ridiculous, that everyone can instantly see that you're lying.

If you don't want to answer, we all understand... you're afraid. You know it's wrong to accept unearned benefits from the death of an innocent, but your indoctrination says to accept this purely unjust situation with great joy. So you're torn between what you know to be obviously wrong, and what you've been told to accept as righteous.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/20/2014 5:53:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 5:48:51 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:43:25 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:28:13 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!
Answer the question newt. Too afraid? hahahahaha

It is answered troll. Its been answered for two thousand years.

Obviously, the highlight of intellectualism is being ignorant, demonstrating basic comprehension problems, and assuming people are 'afraid' rather than just disgusted with an obvious troll.

YEAH ATHEISM!!!

No, you have not answered the question. It's one thing to lie. It's quite another to lie about something so ridiculous, that everyone can instantly see that you're lying.

If you don't want to answer, we all understand... you're afraid. You know it's wrong to accept unearned benefits from the death of an innocent, but your indoctrination says to accept this purely unjust situation with great joy. So you're torn between what you know to be obviously wrong, and what you've been told to accept as righteous.

Oh? I am lying about bully boys behavior am I? Seriously? Are you that bigoted and biased?

Atonement atheist. Its not a secret. It is the answer to your question.

My doctrine says no such thing - nor have you listed anywhere where it does. Its just another frank and stupid bit of ignorance from a supposedly 'educated' man.
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8/20/2014 6:02:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 5:53:12 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:48:51 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:43:25 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:28:13 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!
Answer the question newt. Too afraid? hahahahaha

It is answered troll. Its been answered for two thousand years.

Obviously, the highlight of intellectualism is being ignorant, demonstrating basic comprehension problems, and assuming people are 'afraid' rather than just disgusted with an obvious troll.

YEAH ATHEISM!!!

No, you have not answered the question. It's one thing to lie. It's quite another to lie about something so ridiculous, that everyone can instantly see that you're lying.

If you don't want to answer, we all understand... you're afraid. You know it's wrong to accept unearned benefits from the death of an innocent, but your indoctrination says to accept this purely unjust situation with great joy. So you're torn between what you know to be obviously wrong, and what you've been told to accept as righteous.

Oh? I am lying about bully boys behavior am I? Seriously? Are you that bigoted and biased?
No, no one even suggested that. You're lying when you claim to have answered the primary question in the O.P. when it's clear that you haven't.

Atonement atheist. Its not a secret. It is the answer to your question.
Atonement doesn't answer my question at all. Would you, or would you not, physically grab a nail, grab and hammer, and drive the nail through Jesus flesh? It's a pretty simply question and your silly diversion is NOT an answer.

My doctrine says no such thing - nor have you listed anywhere where it does. Its just another frank and stupid bit of ignorance from a supposedly 'educated' man.
Which is why you're so quick to claim I'm wrong (no matter what I say), but you never explain what you supposedly believe which is different from what I've said. It's just more of your typical lying, Neutral.

But hey, I gave you a little tip on the other thread ("A look in the mirror") so that you can just skip ahead into the video and watch a small room full of atheists be converted to theism in a matter of seconds.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/20/2014 6:40:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 6:02:41 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:53:12 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:48:51 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:43:25 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:28:13 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!
Answer the question newt. Too afraid? hahahahaha

It is answered troll. Its been answered for two thousand years.

Obviously, the highlight of intellectualism is being ignorant, demonstrating basic comprehension problems, and assuming people are 'afraid' rather than just disgusted with an obvious troll.

YEAH ATHEISM!!!

No, you have not answered the question. It's one thing to lie. It's quite another to lie about something so ridiculous, that everyone can instantly see that you're lying.

If you don't want to answer, we all understand... you're afraid. You know it's wrong to accept unearned benefits from the death of an innocent, but your indoctrination says to accept this purely unjust situation with great joy. So you're torn between what you know to be obviously wrong, and what you've been told to accept as righteous.

Oh? I am lying about bully boys behavior am I? Seriously? Are you that bigoted and biased?
No, no one even suggested that. You're lying when you claim to have answered the primary question in the O.P. when it's clear that you haven't.

Atonement atheist. Its not a secret. It is the answer to your question.
Atonement doesn't answer my question at all. Would you, or would you not, physically grab a nail, grab and hammer, and drive the nail through Jesus flesh? It's a pretty simply question and your silly diversion is NOT an answer.

My doctrine says no such thing - nor have you listed anywhere where it does. Its just another frank and stupid bit of ignorance from a supposedly 'educated' man.
Which is why you're so quick to claim I'm wrong (no matter what I say), but you never explain what you supposedly believe which is different from what I've said. It's just more of your typical lying, Neutral.

But hey, I gave you a little tip on the other thread ("A look in the mirror") so that you can just skip ahead into the video and watch a small room full of atheists be converted to theism in a matter of seconds.

You are so proud that you would rather call a man a liar than ask him to explain Atonement? Which you apparently don't understand in the slightest.

And this is after fundamentally misapplying our doctrine too boot?

In short, all you want to do is hurl accusations, and then play victim. Typical behavior of a bigot.
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8/20/2014 6:44:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 6:40:49 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 6:02:41 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:53:12 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:48:51 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:43:25 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:28:13 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!
Answer the question newt. Too afraid? hahahahaha

It is answered troll. Its been answered for two thousand years.

Obviously, the highlight of intellectualism is being ignorant, demonstrating basic comprehension problems, and assuming people are 'afraid' rather than just disgusted with an obvious troll.

YEAH ATHEISM!!!

No, you have not answered the question. It's one thing to lie. It's quite another to lie about something so ridiculous, that everyone can instantly see that you're lying.

If you don't want to answer, we all understand... you're afraid. You know it's wrong to accept unearned benefits from the death of an innocent, but your indoctrination says to accept this purely unjust situation with great joy. So you're torn between what you know to be obviously wrong, and what you've been told to accept as righteous.

Oh? I am lying about bully boys behavior am I? Seriously? Are you that bigoted and biased?
No, no one even suggested that. You're lying when you claim to have answered the primary question in the O.P. when it's clear that you haven't.

Atonement atheist. Its not a secret. It is the answer to your question.
Atonement doesn't answer my question at all. Would you, or would you not, physically grab a nail, grab and hammer, and drive the nail through Jesus flesh? It's a pretty simply question and your silly diversion is NOT an answer.

My doctrine says no such thing - nor have you listed anywhere where it does. Its just another frank and stupid bit of ignorance from a supposedly 'educated' man.
Which is why you're so quick to claim I'm wrong (no matter what I say), but you never explain what you supposedly believe which is different from what I've said. It's just more of your typical lying, Neutral.

But hey, I gave you a little tip on the other thread ("A look in the mirror") so that you can just skip ahead into the video and watch a small room full of atheists be converted to theism in a matter of seconds.

You are so proud that you would rather call a man a liar than ask him to explain Atonement? Which you apparently don't understand in the slightest.

And this is after fundamentally misapplying our doctrine too boot?

In short, all you want to do is hurl accusations, and then play victim. Typical behavior of a bigot.

Once again, nothing but sideways suggestions of error. Do you seriously think you're fooling anyone? You've been engaging in this same foolish and fraudulent technique for weeks, and you still haven't figured out that it's not working for you.

You have NOT answered the question, yet you continue to lie.
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8/20/2014 6:45:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Here's an example why atheism is an irrational religiously held belief system: Beast shows the stupidity of atheist "logic"

Here he says of my Celestial Torah Christianity criticism of Pauline Christian doctrine,

"No disagreement here, except... maybe we've had more than enough religion. Get a rational belief system instead.

Then goes on to make this illogical statement:

"The mark of accuracy! (Christians are afraid to answer.)"

When he just agreed with a Christian's answer. Irrational belief system on parade: that's always your atheist post because not a single one of them, can mount a rational defense of people without any experiential knowledge of the subject they so highly judge as outsiders to the phenomena shared by the vast majority of human beings.
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8/20/2014 9:47:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 4:52:27 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 4:37:57 AM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
I have participated in "pounding the nails through Jesus' flesh", with my sin and rebellion, there is blood on my hands. Now I will take up my cross and follow Him.

What's more interesting is that just hours after you posted this you're already patting yourself on the butt lol, you must of really thought this was special.

I give you credit for being creative in your way around answering. The question wasn't, "What have you done which lead to the death of Jesus", it was "would you pick up the hammer and pound the nails through his flesh". All very literal.

The point Beastt, is that my hands are dirty I don't need to crucify Jesus again, would I? I think the question is just immature, not much thought and reason to it. Part of embracing the sacrifice is accepting something we can never earn or repay that's just part of the beauty of it. A sacrifice is just that, a sacrifice, it is the most valuable of all spiritual elements and Christ is at the peak of it.

As for your hope of putting me down, the thread has been up for 8-hours, and has only received two responses that weren't mine, and yours is the only response from a Christian. So sorry, but my observations were correct. One Christian response in 8-hours is conspicuously low.

But as long as you want to play snarky-sniper, the phrase is "you must HAVE really thought", not "you must OF really thought". It's the meaning of the word that matters, not how much it sounds like a different word. "Have" and "of" have very different meanings. The phrase "must of really thought" is absolutely meaningless.

But this does illustrate your willingness to simply repeat what you THINK you're hearing, without applying any cognitive assessment before deciding that it's correct. And THAT'S how one gets to be a theist.

Yes thank you Beastt for the grammar lesson, I didn't mean to distract you... my fault.
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8/20/2014 3:18:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 9:47:56 AM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 8/20/2014 4:52:27 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 4:37:57 AM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
I have participated in "pounding the nails through Jesus' flesh", with my sin and rebellion, there is blood on my hands. Now I will take up my cross and follow Him.

What's more interesting is that just hours after you posted this you're already patting yourself on the butt lol, you must of really thought this was special.

I give you credit for being creative in your way around answering. The question wasn't, "What have you done which lead to the death of Jesus", it was "would you pick up the hammer and pound the nails through his flesh". All very literal.

The point Beastt, is that my hands are dirty I don't need to crucify Jesus again, would I? I think the question is just immature, not much thought and reason to it. Part of embracing the sacrifice is accepting something we can never earn or repay that's just part of the beauty of it. A sacrifice is just that, a sacrifice, it is the most valuable of all spiritual elements and Christ is at the peak of it.

As for your hope of putting me down, the thread has been up for 8-hours, and has only received two responses that weren't mine, and yours is the only response from a Christian. So sorry, but my observations were correct. One Christian response in 8-hours is conspicuously low.

But as long as you want to play snarky-sniper, the phrase is "you must HAVE really thought", not "you must OF really thought". It's the meaning of the word that matters, not how much it sounds like a different word. "Have" and "of" have very different meanings. The phrase "must of really thought" is absolutely meaningless.

But this does illustrate your willingness to simply repeat what you THINK you're hearing, without applying any cognitive assessment before deciding that it's correct. And THAT'S how one gets to be a theist.

Yes thank you Beastt for the grammar lesson, I didn't mean to distract you... my fault.

You obviously did intend to evade my other point, and used the grammar correction as a handy detour. One response from the intended audience in just 8-hours IS indicative of a desire to evade the point.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/20/2014 8:27:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 3:18:13 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 9:47:56 AM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 8/20/2014 4:52:27 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 4:37:57 AM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
I have participated in "pounding the nails through Jesus' flesh", with my sin and rebellion, there is blood on my hands. Now I will take up my cross and follow Him.

What's more interesting is that just hours after you posted this you're already patting yourself on the butt lol, you must of really thought this was special.

I give you credit for being creative in your way around answering. The question wasn't, "What have you done which lead to the death of Jesus", it was "would you pick up the hammer and pound the nails through his flesh". All very literal.

The point Beastt, is that my hands are dirty I don't need to crucify Jesus again, would I? I think the question is just immature, not much thought and reason to it. Part of embracing the sacrifice is accepting something we can never earn or repay that's just part of the beauty of it. A sacrifice is just that, a sacrifice, it is the most valuable of all spiritual elements and Christ is at the peak of it.

As for your hope of putting me down, the thread has been up for 8-hours, and has only received two responses that weren't mine, and yours is the only response from a Christian. So sorry, but my observations were correct. One Christian response in 8-hours is conspicuously low.

But as long as you want to play snarky-sniper, the phrase is "you must HAVE really thought", not "you must OF really thought". It's the meaning of the word that matters, not how much it sounds like a different word. "Have" and "of" have very different meanings. The phrase "must of really thought" is absolutely meaningless.

But this does illustrate your willingness to simply repeat what you THINK you're hearing, without applying any cognitive assessment before deciding that it's correct. And THAT'S how one gets to be a theist.

Yes thank you Beastt for the grammar lesson, I didn't mean to distract you... my fault.

You obviously did intend to evade my other point, and used the grammar correction as a handy detour. One response from the intended audience in just 8-hours IS indicative of a desire to evade the point.

I don't understand you Beastor, why can't we just converse? Why is there always an attempt at assaulting my character? Are you that prejudice? If you are unable by now to see I'm just trying to honestly engage with you then all hope is lost. All these little assumptions you have about me are flat out wrong, you are incapable of reading me.
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8/20/2014 9:35:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 8:27:08 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 8/20/2014 3:18:13 PM, Beastt wrote:
You obviously did intend to evade my other point, and used the grammar correction as a handy detour. One response from the intended audience in just 8-hours IS indicative of a desire to evade the point.

I don't understand you Beastor, why can't we just converse? Why is there always an attempt at assaulting my character? Are you that prejudice? If you are unable by now to see I'm just trying to honestly engage with you then all hope is lost. All these little assumptions you have about me are flat out wrong, you are incapable of reading me.

Hmmm, perhaps I misunderstood your intent when you said...

- "I think the question is just immature"

- "just hours after you posted this you're already patting yourself on the butt lol"

- "his arguments are still stuck and stagnant within the mentality of a child with the "peer reviewed evidence and fairies" lol"

- "maybe Beastt will create a topic to defend his positions involving his fantasies, especially if he wants to use these elements in his arguments, unfortunately for him it's not for the religion forum."

- "you've demonstrated a complete level of ignorance regarding scripture and the nature of God"

- "time to grow up and advance your simple minded attempted arguments"

- "me calling Beastts arguments simple is nothing compared to what I've been called and labeled, so don't cry over this one"

- "you cannot grasp such a simple concept."

Did I misunderstand? Was I not supposed to take offense? You were just trying to have a friendly conversation?

I fully accept that I've fired back AT LEAST as much as you have, probably more. I accept that as poor character on my part. But I don't find a lot of sincerity in the insinuation that you're just trying to have a nice, friendly conversation, and I'm being the immature jerk. For the most part, I tend to respond with an attitude similar to what I'm offered. However, like everyone else, when I'm already irritated with the likes of Fatihah and his ridiculous irrationality, with Anna and her continual bid to shift the goal posts, flip topics and pretense of supposed intellectual superiority, it puts me much closer to responding back in a more emotional - less rational - manner.

I wouldn't suggest that trait to be substantially more prevalent with myself than with most of the other people here.

Debate is always a tense line to walk. Everyone wants to present their best argument (well, almost everyone), and everyone wants to be treated with dignity. But the moment some people start to see their arguments fall apart, they strike out emotionally. And yes, I've done some of that too. The difference is that some people really do little else.

That said, if you want to try to call a truce, I'm certainly game. However, when I debate it's not with the intent of making friends. Truth be known, it's probably more about keeping my mind off of the shambles my life is in after the passing of my fiance. It's been a little over a year and I'm beginning to learn that this is something that simply doesn't ever get better. Like an amputation or other crippling injury, you just have to learn to live with it. Anyway... I turn to debate to have a mental focus... a diversion.

For the past 30+ years, I worked the same job and there were times when I didn't blend in. I didn't want to play "good ol' boy" when other members of the department decided their badge was a license to be a bully. I took my oath to the Constitution very seriously, which often left me as the underdog. But I NEVER had a problem with anyone insulting my intellect. After 30-years of being thought of as the guy you could come to on just about any topic, it's a little difficult to come here, engage people half the IQ of former co-workers, and have them try to insult my intellect. I realize that's a mistake on their part... or simply the only snarky come-back they can think to sling in my direction. And I'm certainly not above slinging it back in response.

There's also the frustration of dealing with people who are mere children on the intellectual scale, but who still won't listen to anything no matter how many times it is explained. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm more than willing to try a truce, but given the environment, your character, my character and all of the trolls here who simply live to argue ridiculous points, I don't have high hopes that it will last.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/20/2014 9:53:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 9:35:12 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 8:27:08 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 8/20/2014 3:18:13 PM, Beastt wrote:
You obviously did intend to evade my other point, and used the grammar correction as a handy detour. One response from the intended audience in just 8-hours IS indicative of a desire to evade the point.

I don't understand you Beastor, why can't we just converse? Why is there always an attempt at assaulting my character? Are you that prejudice? If you are unable by now to see I'm just trying to honestly engage with you then all hope is lost. All these little assumptions you have about me are flat out wrong, you are incapable of reading me.

Hmmm, perhaps I misunderstood your intent when you said...

- "I think the question is just immature"

- "just hours after you posted this you're already patting yourself on the butt lol"

- "his arguments are still stuck and stagnant within the mentality of a child with the "peer reviewed evidence and fairies" lol"

- "maybe Beastt will create a topic to defend his positions involving his fantasies, especially if he wants to use these elements in his arguments, unfortunately for him it's not for the religion forum."

- "you've demonstrated a complete level of ignorance regarding scripture and the nature of God"

- "time to grow up and advance your simple minded attempted arguments"

- "me calling Beastts arguments simple is nothing compared to what I've been called and labeled, so don't cry over this one"

- "you cannot grasp such a simple concept."

Did I misunderstand? Was I not supposed to take offense? You were just trying to have a friendly conversation?

I fully accept that I've fired back AT LEAST as much as you have, probably more. I accept that as poor character on my part. But I don't find a lot of sincerity in the insinuation that you're just trying to have a nice, friendly conversation, and I'm being the immature jerk. For the most part, I tend to respond with an attitude similar to what I'm offered. However, like everyone else, when I'm already irritated with the likes of Fatihah and his ridiculous irrationality, with Anna and her continual bid to shift the goal posts, flip topics and pretense of supposed intellectual superiority, it puts me much closer to responding back in a more emotional - less rational - manner.

I wouldn't suggest that trait to be substantially more prevalent with myself than with most of the other people here.

Debate is always a tense line to walk. Everyone wants to present their best argument (well, almost everyone), and everyone wants to be treated with dignity. But the moment some people start to see their arguments fall apart, they strike out emotionally. And yes, I've done some of that too. The difference is that some people really do little else.

That said, if you want to try to call a truce, I'm certainly game. However, when I debate it's not with the intent of making friends. Truth be known, it's probably more about keeping my mind off of the shambles my life is in after the passing of my fiance. It's been a little over a year and I'm beginning to learn that this is something that simply doesn't ever get better. Like an amputation or other crippling injury, you just have to learn to live with it. Anyway... I turn to debate to have a mental focus... a diversion.

For the past 30+ years, I worked the same job and there were times when I didn't blend in. I didn't want to play "good ol' boy" when other members of the department decided their badge was a license to be a bully. I took my oath to the Constitution very seriously, which often left me as the underdog. But I NEVER had a problem with anyone insulting my intellect. After 30-years of being thought of as the guy you could come to on just about any topic, it's a little difficult to come here, engage people half the IQ of former co-workers, and have them try to insult my intellect. I realize that's a mistake on their part... or simply the only snarky come-back they can think to sling in my direction. And I'm certainly not above slinging it back in response.

There's also the frustration of dealing with people who are mere children on the intellectual scale, but who still won't listen to anything no matter how many times it is explained. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm more than willing to try a truce, but given the environment, your character, my character and all of the trolls here who simply live to argue ridiculous points, I don't have high hopes that it will last.

Thank you very much my friend, I appreciate you sharing that and I would absolutely agree to a truce, even for a day or so lol, I don't come here to put down Atheists I like them but as it turns out it is very difficult to engage them but obviously this is a debate site so I can't cry about it.
Firstly allow me to apologize for any insults however I would like to point out that the majority of my insults were at arguments, not your character, but either way I am sorry I will try to better myself in that respect.

If I may ask please, how long were you and your fiance together?
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8/20/2014 10:28:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 9:53:05 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 8/20/2014 9:35:12 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 8:27:08 PM, matt.mcguire88 wrote:
At 8/20/2014 3:18:13 PM, Beastt wrote:
I don't understand you Beastor, why can't we just converse? Why is there always an attempt at assaulting my character? Are you that prejudice? If you are unable by now to see I'm just trying to honestly engage with you then all hope is lost. All these little assumptions you have about me are flat out wrong, you are incapable of reading me.

Hmmm, perhaps I misunderstood your intent when you said...

- "I think the question is just immature"

- "just hours after you posted this you're already patting yourself on the butt lol"

- "his arguments are still stuck and stagnant within the mentality of a child with the "peer reviewed evidence and fairies" lol"

- "maybe Beastt will create a topic to defend his positions involving his fantasies, especially if he wants to use these elements in his arguments, unfortunately for him it's not for the religion forum."

- "you've demonstrated a complete level of ignorance regarding scripture and the nature of God"

- "time to grow up and advance your simple minded attempted arguments"

- "me calling Beastts arguments simple is nothing compared to what I've been called and labeled, so don't cry over this one"

- "you cannot grasp such a simple concept."

Did I misunderstand? Was I not supposed to take offense? You were just trying to have a friendly conversation?

I fully accept that I've fired back AT LEAST as much as you have, probably more. I accept that as poor character on my part. But I don't find a lot of sincerity in the insinuation that you're just trying to have a nice, friendly conversation, and I'm being the immature jerk. For the most part, I tend to respond with an attitude similar to what I'm offered. However, like everyone else, when I'm already irritated with the likes of Fatihah and his ridiculous irrationality, with Anna and her continual bid to shift the goal posts, flip topics and pretense of supposed intellectual superiority, it puts me much closer to responding back in a more emotional - less rational - manner.

I wouldn't suggest that trait to be substantially more prevalent with myself than with most of the other people here.

Debate is always a tense line to walk. Everyone wants to present their best argument (well, almost everyone), and everyone wants to be treated with dignity. But the moment some people start to see their arguments fall apart, they strike out emotionally. And yes, I've done some of that too. The difference is that some people really do little else.

That said, if you want to try to call a truce, I'm certainly game. However, when I debate it's not with the intent of making friends. Truth be known, it's probably more about keeping my mind off of the shambles my life is in after the passing of my fiance. It's been a little over a year and I'm beginning to learn that this is something that simply doesn't ever get better. Like an amputation or other crippling injury, you just have to learn to live with it. Anyway... I turn to debate to have a mental focus... a diversion.

For the past 30+ years, I worked the same job and there were times when I didn't blend in. I didn't want to play "good ol' boy" when other members of the department decided their badge was a license to be a bully. I took my oath to the Constitution very seriously, which often left me as the underdog. But I NEVER had a problem with anyone insulting my intellect. After 30-years of being thought of as the guy you could come to on just about any topic, it's a little difficult to come here, engage people half the IQ of former co-workers, and have them try to insult my intellect. I realize that's a mistake on their part... or simply the only snarky come-back they can think to sling in my direction. And I'm certainly not above slinging it back in response.

There's also the frustration of dealing with people who are mere children on the intellectual scale, but who still won't listen to anything no matter how many times it is explained. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm more than willing to try a truce, but given the environment, your character, my character and all of the trolls here who simply live to argue ridiculous points, I don't have high hopes that it will last.

Thank you very much my friend, I appreciate you sharing that and I would absolutely agree to a truce, even for a day or so lol, I don't come here to put down Atheists I like them but as it turns out it is very difficult to engage them but obviously this is a debate site so I can't cry about it.
Firstly allow me to apologize for any insults however I would like to point out that the majority of my insults were at arguments, not your character, but either way I am sorry I will try to better myself in that respect.

If I may ask please, how long were you and your fiance together?
That's such a simple question. But it's a long story.

I remember the first time I saw her was 36-years ago when I was just out of high school. That was all it was... I saw her for maybe 5-minutes. Neither of us said a word but I remembered something about her. You know when you see a girl, find her to be somehow more attractive than most - not a raving beauty (pretty "hot"), but somehow more than that - visually infatuating.

Anyway, that was all it was. I was in the lead car waiting to pull into a drive-inn movie and she was with her family in the car behind me. I didn't see her again for at least a year and even then, I didn't say anything. But I remembered that 5-minutes from a year earlier, I looked at her and I was pretty sure she was looking at me. By the time another year passed I was with someone else. But I found myself in a group of friends and she was girlfriends with one of the guys in the group. So we ran into each other pretty regularly for about 5-years but that's all it ever was - friends. At one point my girlfriend had left me, this other girl had split with her boyfriend and she made it quite clear that she was interested. There were... complications. So I ended up not accepting and she was hurt.

A few years later I heard she'd moved out of state and that was it. I didn't hear from her again.

Twenty years later, I got a message from a stranger on FaceBook. I didn't recognize her last name and had to ask if I knew her. It was her. We started writing back and forth, then calling, and after a few months, she told me she was planning to move back to town. We dated for about a year, then found a place together and started putting a life together (the first time I'd had a real life in almost 20 years). A year later she started complaining about an intermittent pain in her back. When it didn't get better, we took her in to see a doctor. She was diagnosed with an ulcer and went through a month of taking a cocktail of various antibiotics. But she didn't get better. So we sought another diagnosis. This time, they did some imaging studies.

When the results came back, we found out that she had some metastatic lesions on her liver. By 3:00 that afternoon she was admitted, a colonoscopy the next day and and partial colon resection, liver biopsy and lymph node extraction the day after that. Eight months later, she died with her hand in mine in our bed at home. So I guess I first saw her 46-years ago. I didn't actually meet her until a couple of years later, didn't hear a word for about 20-years, and then had a little over 2 1/2 years together.

Sorry... would have been better PM
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8/20/2014 10:52:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 10:28:00 PM, Beastt wrote:

Sorry... would have been better PM

No. I, for one, am glad you didn't.

I have lost two brothers to suicide so I know something about the grieving process. It will take time but eventually, even with your extremely tragic circumstances, the wound will heal.

My heartfelt condolences.
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8/21/2014 12:13:59 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 10:52:32 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 8/20/2014 10:28:00 PM, Beastt wrote:

Sorry... would have been better PM

No. I, for one, am glad you didn't.
I tried. He's blocked.

I have lost two brothers to suicide so I know something about the grieving process. It will take time but eventually, even with your extremely tragic circumstances, the wound will heal.
I'm so sorry... so sorry

She used to tell me, "I'm sorry I'm broken."
There's a bit more to this...
Anyway...

My heartfelt condolences.
Thank you. It's isolating.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/21/2014 12:42:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!

Neutered.... SSSshhhhhhh... Grown people are talking (again).
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8/21/2014 12:45:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 5:43:25 AM, neutral babbled something vaguely reminiscent of diatribe which was:

**************Too ridiculous to consider, thus ignored**************
Logic and Reason are the precursor to Justice.
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8/21/2014 12:47:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 5:47:17 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:44:31 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!

If you think you have a point to make, then quit clucking and spit it out. I've not suggested anything contrary to many of your various versions of silly superstitious zombie-Jew. You lightly insinuate that I have, then say nothing of value but attempt to berate me as though I've suggested something incorrect. Stand up, you silly critter! This vague jabbing just leaves you looking like the neighborhood retarded kid poking at a snake.

The concept of Atonement is not hidden beasty.

And for someone who claims 'superior' knowledge about our faith, to NOT KNOW how it addresses your point is ... ignorant indeed.

If you need me to spell out one of the most basic premises of Christianity, kindly just ask me to - in the correct spirit of humbleness as you clearly do not get how Atonement applies to imperfect humans. Even though its pretty clear to those of us who understand Atonement ... or are at least aware of it.

Again, are YOU knowledgeable of our faith or not?

We're aware of how christians believe atonement works. We simply consider it a sick and twisted doctrine.
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Faith and zealotry are the precursor to Folly.
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8/21/2014 12:49:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/20/2014 6:02:41 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:53:12 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:48:51 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:43:25 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:28:13 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 8/20/2014 5:14:50 AM, neutral wrote:
At 8/19/2014 8:25:34 PM, Beastt wrote:
SMILE! We're hanging an innocent man! But don't fret. He's a rich man and when he's dead, we'll all get to share in his riches. So REJOICE! This is "good news".

Is there anything wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with wanting to help string the rope, place it around his neck or making sure the rope is long enough to deliver a good, sharp tug?

Perhaps he was your friend and offered to give his life for you. Is that not enough to make you joyful for the benefits you'll receive? You can erect statues to him, sing his praises, and remember him for generations to come. Shouldn't you all be overjoyed at such an opportunity?

Yet how many people who call themselves Christians, would have been willing to take up a hammer, and pound the nails through Jesus' flesh? It's the same thing. You're benefiting from his unjust death. And you're happy for it. So if you're willing to accept the benefits, you should be just as willing to pound the nails yourself. How dare anyone be willing to collect the profits with joy, but too squeamish to get bloody in collecting their prize.

Hmmm ... Acknowledging the reality of humanity and ... wait, what was it Jesus died for? Grace and Forgiveness ... the Atonement?

And this guy claims to be knowledgeable about our faith? Widely read indeed, and yet is unfamiliar with the most basic concept of Christianity and how its addressed his mewling concerns for two thousand years now.

BRAVO!
Answer the question newt. Too afraid? hahahahaha

It is answered troll. Its been answered for two thousand years.

Obviously, the highlight of intellectualism is being ignorant, demonstrating basic comprehension problems, and assuming people are 'afraid' rather than just disgusted with an obvious troll.

YEAH ATHEISM!!!

No, you have not answered the question. It's one thing to lie. It's quite another to lie about something so ridiculous, that everyone can instantly see that you're lying.

If you don't want to answer, we all understand... you're afraid. You know it's wrong to accept unearned benefits from the death of an innocent, but your indoctrination says to accept this purely unjust situation with great joy. So you're torn between what you know to be obviously wrong, and what you've been told to accept as righteous.

Oh? I am lying about bully boys behavior am I? Seriously? Are you that bigoted and biased?
No, no one even suggested that. You're lying when you claim to have answered the primary question in the O.P. when it's clear that you haven't.

Atonement atheist. Its not a secret. It is the answer to your question.
Atonement doesn't answer my question at all. Would you, or would you not, physically grab a nail, grab and hammer, and drive the nail through Jesus flesh? It's a pretty simply question and your silly diversion is NOT an answer.

My doctrine says no such thing - nor have you listed anywhere where it does. Its just another frank and stupid bit of ignorance from a supposedly 'educated' man.
Which is why you're so quick to claim I'm wrong (no matter what I say), but you never explain what you supposedly believe which is different from what I've said. It's just more of your typical lying, Neutral.

But hey, I gave you a little tip on the other thread ("A look in the mirror") so that you can just skip ahead into the video and watch a small room full of atheists be converted to theism in a matter of seconds.

He won't answer you, Beastt. He's incapable of direct address of anything that requires a measure of coherent thought. He's a coward, and we already knew him to be a liar and a pompous A55... Do you really expect an answer, from him?
Logic and Reason are the precursor to Justice.
Faith and zealotry are the precursor to Folly.