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# Proof of God? It's all around you!

 Posts: 1,420 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PMPosted: 3 years agoThe probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.
 Posts: 4,939 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2014 3:53:20 PMPosted: 3 years agoPlease perform the following experiment: roll a pair of dice 15 times. Record the number each time. Then tell me the number.Spoiler alert: Whatever number you give I will not believe you, because the odds of you rolling that number is 1 in 470,184,984,576. With those kind of odds I guess God must have done it.
 Posts: 1,420 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2014 4:01:34 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 3:53:20 PM, Double_R wrote:Please perform the following experiment: roll a pair of dice 15 times. Record the number each time. Then tell me the number.Spoiler alert: Whatever number you give I will not believe you, because the odds of you rolling that number is 1 in 470,184,984,576. With those kind of odds I guess God must have done it.An how about I gave you a dice, asked you to roll it a billion times over, then got you to record the times the dice rolled 11? Because that would be a better analogy for my claim.
 Posts: 2,908 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2014 4:25:32 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.Its human sickness to unable to see the closest things around ourselves...dont fart
 Posts: 3,012 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?
 Posts: 5,135 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2014 6:36:50 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.That's simply not true. The possibility of this stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence, is incredibly unlikely. The possibility of any slightly altered, yet similar stable, life-permitting universe is just as unlikely. There are literally hundreds of trillions of imaginable combinations, and only a very few which provide stability. But only those which are stable could possibly form. There are a few things you seriously need to think about, which it seems has not occurred to you.This fine-tuning argument loves to pluck one force or property from the universe, and talk about the devastating consequences, were it different than it is. So why do you suppose it is so precisely as it is? You want to jump to the all-powerful, all-knowing, intervening hand of an unevidenced, contraindicated, supernatural hand. In all seriousness, that's pure silliness. Have you ever looked at a bowl of water? Do you notice spikes and valleys across the surface of the water? Or does it remain amazingly flat, aside from the curvature from surface tension at the edge?Do you marvel at that and insist that it has to be an all powerful, supernatural, intervening hand which makes the surface of the water so amazingly flat and even? Or do you understand that because gravity exerts an even force, it would require a non-existent force within the water to create a ridge or depression?The universe is perfectly (or near perfectly) balanced, because it coalesced as a unit. If you assume that matter poofed into existence, and then something sprinkled in some energy, then added the strong force, added a pinch of weak force... of course you're going to be stymied. When you have multiple properties and multiple forces all coalescing into formation at the same time, they begin to interact from the very first moment. And because they are interacting, they must balance against each other. Nothing can become other than how it is because it would create an imbalance, and THAT would require some outside acting force. The fact that the universe is balanced so well, indicates that no outside intervening force acted upon it. It's just like the surface of the water sitting in that bowl... when we see ripples (tiny crests and valleys) THEN we know it is being acted upon by an outside force. As long as is sitting perfectly flat "stable" - in absolute equilibrium, we can see that no outside force is acting upon it.You're making the right observation, and drawing the exact opposite conclusion."If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
 Posts: 1,420 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.
 Posts: 3,012 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2014 8:53:44 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.Our universe isn't like that, though.
 Posts: 1,420 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/23/2014 9:53:28 PMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 8:53:44 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.Our universe isn't like that, though.Oh really, do you have any evidence for that?
 Posts: 5,135 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2014 1:40:26 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.The odds of the universe just happening to exist are 1 in 2 from an external viewpoint, and 1 in 1 from an internal viewpoint."If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
 Posts: 5,135 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2014 1:45:24 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 9:53:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:53:44 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.Our universe isn't like that, though.Oh really, do you have any evidence for that?Stability demonstrates a lack of outside intervention, not the presence of an outside intervention. Take a look at any non-living thing in your yard. Is it stable? If you look at a rock, a fence post, a mailbox, a lawn chair, the slab of concrete for a car port... whatever... you find that it's stable. It's not wobbling, moving, imploding, etc. In order to upset that stability, you, or the wind, or your neighbor, or a dog, a bird... some external force, needs to act upon it. The universe is stable because there is no outside force acting upon it. It formed as it is, with all of the forces and components acting upon each other, resulting in the only state and configuration possible - stability."If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
 Posts: 3,012 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2014 9:20:46 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 9:53:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:53:44 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.Our universe isn't like that, though.Oh really, do you have any evidence for that?Yeah. Tornadoes don't build planes, so obviously our universe is not geared to produce such occurrences.
 Posts: 35,019 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2014 9:57:37 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/24/2014 9:20:46 AM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 9:53:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:53:44 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.Our universe isn't like that, though.Oh really, do you have any evidence for that?Yeah. Tornadoes don't build planes, so obviously our universe is not geared to produce such occurrences.Planes are a lie told by satan and all you atheists believe it."In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act".
 Posts: 4,939 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2014 10:05:33 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 4:01:34 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:53:20 PM, Double_R wrote:Please perform the following experiment: roll a pair of dice 15 times. Record the number each time. Then tell me the number.Spoiler alert: Whatever number you give I will not believe you, because the odds of you rolling that number is 1 in 470,184,984,576. With those kind of odds I guess God must have done it.An how about I gave you a dice, asked you to roll it a billion times over, then got you to record the times the dice rolled 11? Because that would be a better analogy for my claim.No that is factually not the case, and the fact that you think it is demonstrates why you find such a logically flawed argument to be convincing in the first place. The odds of the universe reaching this very point in this very state was indeed astronomically low, but it certainly was not mathematically or logically impossible. Rolling a dice and having it land on 11 is. Your entire argument is one big Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
 Posts: 4,939 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2014 10:11:42 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.And what exactly does a non-designed universe look like?
 Posts: 1,420 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2014 11:32:21 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/24/2014 9:20:46 AM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 9:53:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:53:44 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.Our universe isn't like that, though.Oh really, do you have any evidence for that?Yeah. Tornadoes don't build planes, so obviously our universe is not geared to produce such occurrences.Yeah. Are you aware of what the word "analogy" means?
 Posts: 1,420 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2014 11:33:46 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/24/2014 9:57:37 AM, bulproof wrote:At 8/24/2014 9:20:46 AM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 9:53:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:53:44 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.Our universe isn't like that, though.Oh really, do you have any evidence for that?Yeah. Tornadoes don't build planes, so obviously our universe is not geared to produce such occurrences.Planes are a lie told by satan and all you atheists believe it.Have you considered killing yourself, Bulproof? Everyone here would be a little bit happier if you just sat down and slashed your wrists.
 Posts: 35,019 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2014 11:40:00 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/24/2014 11:33:46 AM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/24/2014 9:57:37 AM, bulproof wrote:At 8/24/2014 9:20:46 AM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 9:53:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:53:44 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.Our universe isn't like that, though.Oh really, do you have any evidence for that?Yeah. Tornadoes don't build planes, so obviously our universe is not geared to produce such occurrences.Planes are a lie told by satan and all you atheists believe it.Have you considered killing yourself, Bulproof? Everyone here would be a little bit happier if you just sat down and slashed your wrists.Children should be seen and not heard. Don't you like your doctrine poor little mushroom?I don't give a fuk.Tell mummy to send you to your room."In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act".
 Posts: 1,420 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2014 11:41:36 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/24/2014 11:40:00 AM, bulproof wrote:At 8/24/2014 11:33:46 AM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/24/2014 9:57:37 AM, bulproof wrote:At 8/24/2014 9:20:46 AM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 9:53:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:53:44 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.Our universe isn't like that, though.Oh really, do you have any evidence for that?Yeah. Tornadoes don't build planes, so obviously our universe is not geared to produce such occurrences.Planes are a lie told by satan and all you atheists believe it.Have you considered killing yourself, Bulproof? Everyone here would be a little bit happier if you just sat down and slashed your wrists.Children should be seen and not heard. Don't you like your doctrine poor little mushroom?I don't give a fuk.Tell mummy to send you to your room.Kill yourself at once.
 Posts: 35,019 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/24/2014 11:51:21 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/24/2014 11:41:36 AM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/24/2014 11:40:00 AM, bulproof wrote:At 8/24/2014 11:33:46 AM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/24/2014 9:57:37 AM, bulproof wrote:At 8/24/2014 9:20:46 AM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 9:53:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:53:44 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.Our universe isn't like that, though.Oh really, do you have any evidence for that?Yeah. Tornadoes don't build planes, so obviously our universe is not geared to produce such occurrences.Planes are a lie told by satan and all you atheists believe it.Have you considered killing yourself, Bulproof? Everyone here would be a little bit happier if you just sat down and slashed your wrists.Children should be seen and not heard. Don't you like your doctrine poor little mushroom?I don't give a fuk.Tell mummy to send you to your room.Kill yourself at once.Little, little boy if you don't want to get hurt then don't come and play with the big kids because to us you are just a nuisance (that means pest) now go back to the little kids sandpit and stop crying. I haven't even begun to TRY to hurt you.Get mummy to blow your nose and wipe your tears and arse, I don't care about the order in which that is done, just go where you belong."In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act".
 Posts: 3,012 Add as FriendChallenge to a DebateSend a Message 8/25/2014 7:32:13 AMPosted: 3 years agoAt 8/24/2014 11:32:21 AM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/24/2014 9:20:46 AM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 9:53:28 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:53:44 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 8:22:31 PM, Installgentoo wrote:At 8/23/2014 6:19:13 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:At 8/23/2014 3:15:26 PM, Installgentoo wrote:The probability of a stable, life-permitting universe coming into existence is so vanishingly small that it is impossible by any natural means.Look out the window, atheists, and you will see the proof of God you so desperately and obviously seek.What's the probability of a god?On the basis of the universe just happening to exist like a plane built from a tornado, almost 100%.Our universe isn't like that, though.Oh really, do you have any evidence for that?Yeah. Tornadoes don't build planes, so obviously our universe is not geared to produce such occurrences.Yeah. Are you aware of what the word "analogy" means?Yes, but every time I've heard this phrase raised, it has always been in a literal sense. Maybe you were unaware of its use?