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FREEDO
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3/15/2010 4:46:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think the entire concept of souls is ridiculous.

What use would they be? My mind and body already take care of it's supposed job.

Even when I was a Christian I realized it didn't make much sense and changed my stance from thinking that a soul makes a person to that a person makes a soul; not like an engine running your consciousness but like a copy of yourself used for bringing you back in the after-life. That's seems to be the only stance in support of a soul that makes sense.
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3/15/2010 5:00:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think we only have a brain and the body. The brain functions without a soul. Alternating the brain would alter your personality and memories. It depends on the definition of the soul. I'm not sure how souls would survive without the body however. Is the soul a part of the brain? Can it be removed from the brain? Think about removing your brain and putting it in somebody's head. It would still be "you" in another body. Your identity goes with your brain, not the body. Let's say that I use mind control to change your beliefs to make you an atheist. Do you still go to hell since your brain disobeys God? What about the soul? It seems that the soul is inseparable from the brain yet cannot be the brain.
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3/15/2010 5:04:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
For me, a soul is the energy that animates the body. Whether it stays in tact and continues forever is another question. I've struggled with this issue, but I've pretty much agreed that the body or "persona" is just a mask. We arent the body.

I think I need to study more Heidegger on the essence of being.
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3/15/2010 5:25:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/15/2010 5:04:49 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
For me, a soul is the energy that animates the body. Whether it stays in tact and continues forever is another question. I've struggled with this issue, but I've pretty much agreed that the body or "persona" is just a mask. We arent the body.

I think I need to study more Heidegger on the essence of being.

Is an individual soul on your view part of the universal consciousness? If soo wouldn't it technically be eternal if you believe the universe is eternal?
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3/15/2010 5:26:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/15/2010 5:04:49 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
For me, a soul is the energy that animates the body. Whether it stays in tact and continues forever is another question. I've struggled with this issue, but I've pretty much agreed that the body or "persona" is just a mask. We arent the body.

I think I need to study more Heidegger on the essence of being.

I think what your not quite grasping is that our consciousness is merely a product of chemical reactions within our brain. There's nothing mystical to it.
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3/16/2010 11:28:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/15/2010 5:25:29 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/15/2010 5:04:49 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
For me, a soul is the energy that animates the body. Whether it stays in tact and continues forever is another question. I've struggled with this issue, but I've pretty much agreed that the body or "persona" is just a mask. We arent the body.

I think I need to study more Heidegger on the essence of being.

Is an individual soul on your view part of the universal consciousness? If soo wouldn't it technically be eternal if you believe the universe is eternal?

Thanks for reminding me. :) That is correct.
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3/16/2010 11:38:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/15/2010 5:26:07 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/15/2010 5:04:49 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
For me, a soul is the energy that animates the body. Whether it stays in tact and continues forever is another question. I've struggled with this issue, but I've pretty much agreed that the body or "persona" is just a mask. We arent the body.

I think I need to study more Heidegger on the essence of being.

I think what your not quite grasping is that our consciousness is merely a product of chemical reactions within our brain. There's nothing mystical to it.

Not true. Scienitific experiments prove that consciousness is not merely a function of the brain. Scientists (Nobel) have put a salamander through a maze and then diced the salamander's brain and put it back in his head and remembered the maze.

Also, memories cannot be pinpointed to any one brain cell. So how is consciousness a product of the brain?
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3/16/2010 11:41:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/16/2010 11:38:30 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/15/2010 5:26:07 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/15/2010 5:04:49 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
For me, a soul is the energy that animates the body. Whether it stays in tact and continues forever is another question. I've struggled with this issue, but I've pretty much agreed that the body or "persona" is just a mask. We arent the body.

I think I need to study more Heidegger on the essence of being.

I think what your not quite grasping is that our consciousness is merely a product of chemical reactions within our brain. There's nothing mystical to it.

Not true. Scienitific experiments prove that consciousness is not merely a function of the brain. Scientists (Nobel) have put a salamander through a maze and then diced the salamander's brain and put it back in his head and remembered the maze.

Link?
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3/16/2010 11:50:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/16/2010 11:41:07 AM, Immortal wrote:
At 3/16/2010 11:38:30 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/15/2010 5:26:07 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/15/2010 5:04:49 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
For me, a soul is the energy that animates the body. Whether it stays in tact and continues forever is another question. I've struggled with this issue, but I've pretty much agreed that the body or "persona" is just a mask. We arent the body.

I think I need to study more Heidegger on the essence of being.

I think what your not quite grasping is that our consciousness is merely a product of chemical reactions within our brain. There's nothing mystical to it.

Not true. Scienitific experiments prove that consciousness is not merely a function of the brain. Scientists (Nobel) have put a salamander through a maze and then diced the salamander's brain and put it back in his head and remembered the maze.

Link?

Does it really take that much effort to google it?
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3/16/2010 11:51:44 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I've got a lot of good info on this research, but I'm typing with my iPod so I can't post it right now. I'll do it when I get home.
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3/16/2010 11:53:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/16/2010 11:50:05 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 3/16/2010 11:41:07 AM, Immortal wrote:
At 3/16/2010 11:38:30 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/15/2010 5:26:07 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/15/2010 5:04:49 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
For me, a soul is the energy that animates the body. Whether it stays in tact and continues forever is another question. I've struggled with this issue, but I've pretty much agreed that the body or "persona" is just a mask. We arent the body.

I think I need to study more Heidegger on the essence of being.

I think what your not quite grasping is that our consciousness is merely a product of chemical reactions within our brain. There's nothing mystical to it.

Not true. Scienitific experiments prove that consciousness is not merely a function of the brain. Scientists (Nobel) have put a salamander through a maze and then diced the salamander's brain and put it back in his head and remembered the maze.

Link?

Does it really take that much effort to google it?

No, but I can't find the link that has his claim.
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3/16/2010 11:55:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
@CodyFranklin

It's actually not that easy to find this research through Google. I'll try to post the best info I've found and post it later.
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3/16/2010 12:14:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/16/2010 11:55:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@CodyFranklin

It's actually not that easy to find this research through Google. I'll try to post the best info I've found and post it later.

How did you find the research then? O_O
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3/17/2010 7:19:32 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/15/2010 4:46:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I think the entire concept of souls is ridiculous.

What use would they be? My mind and body already take care of it's supposed job.

Even when I was a Christian I realized it didn't make much sense and changed my stance from thinking that a soul makes a person to that a person makes a soul; not like an engine running your consciousness but like a copy of yourself used for bringing you back in the after-life. That's seems to be the only stance in support of a soul that makes sense.

Are your mind and body going to remain with you in the afterlife? If you believe in some kind of afterlife, hence the need for a soul. You don't have to believe it's real in any way, but to answer your question, that is the use of souls.
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3/17/2010 7:27:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/15/2010 4:46:00 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I think the entire concept of souls is ridiculous.

What use would they be? My mind and body already take care of it's supposed job.

Even when I was a Christian I realized it didn't make much sense and changed my stance from thinking that a soul makes a person to that a person makes a soul; not like an engine running your consciousness but like a copy of yourself used for bringing you back in the after-life. That's seems to be the only stance in support of a soul that makes sense.

I think it was you who said before that you used to be a Christian but didn't like that there were so many questions about the Bible that you couldn't answer. Then you looked into evolution and decided to become an atheist/evolutionist or whatever exactly you call yourself. So I asked you the following question and I don't know if you ever answered it or not (I forgot what thread it was in).

When you looked into evolution, did you discover that you could answer EVERY question about it? If not, then why did you switch from being a Christian? I don't think it's possible for one person to know absolutely everything about the Bible or evolution, so I'm curious about what actually caused you to switch your beliefs. Peer pressure?
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3/17/2010 7:57:57 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/16/2010 11:38:30 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 3/15/2010 5:26:07 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/15/2010 5:04:49 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
For me, a soul is the energy that animates the body. Whether it stays in tact and continues forever is another question. I've struggled with this issue, but I've pretty much agreed that the body or "persona" is just a mask. We arent the body.

I think I need to study more Heidegger on the essence of being.

I think what your not quite grasping is that our consciousness is merely a product of chemical reactions within our brain. There's nothing mystical to it.

Not true. Scienitific experiments prove that consciousness is not merely a function of the brain. Scientists (Nobel) have put a salamander through a maze and then diced the salamander's brain and put it back in his head and remembered the maze.


You just make up more crap whenever you are bored don't you?
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3/17/2010 8:03:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/16/2010 12:14:11 PM, Immortal wrote:
At 3/16/2010 11:55:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@CodyFranklin

It's actually not that easy to find this research through Google. I'll try to post the best info I've found and post it later.

How did you find the research then? O_O

I think it's time for you to post the research.
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3/17/2010 11:59:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Yes, I will post the research. I haven't been home very often.
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3/17/2010 7:39:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Meh, I just googled it. It wasn't that hard to find. I think your guys' google-fu just sucks. :P

"Decades ago it was widely believed that memories were held in certain places in the brain; in fact, it was believed, that if you removed a portion of the brain you would/could remove an entire memory or memories. Biologist Paul Pietsch (Indiana University), in the 1960's, did studies on salamanders in an attempt to disprove the distributed nature of memories (as found in the Holographic model). Pietsch removed the brains of salamanders and while they were in a stupor without their brains (fantastic in and of itself) they returned to their normal behaviour when the brain was returned. Focusing his tests on analyzing the salamanders feeding behaviour, Pietsch decided that if this behaviour (of feeding) was in fact not confined to any certain portion of the brain (instead distributed, like a hologram) then it shouldn't matter how the brain was positioned in the head; the salamander should return to normal function. So, he set out once again, more focused, to disprove a holographic scenario. First he flip-flopped the brain and returned it to the salamander who quickly returned to its regular behaviour; he then turned it upside down with the same result. Then in a series of 700 operations he sliced, flipped, shuffled, subtracted and even minced the brains and still their behaviour normalized once it (what was left at least) was returned to the salamander! (Note: Accounts and further explanation can be found in Pietsch's book Shufflebrain.)"

http://www.meta-wealth.com...
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3/17/2010 8:16:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Read brien wiess book on past life memory teropy find out how it helps you..!!
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3/17/2010 8:24:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Here's the requested research links:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

http://www.scribd.com...
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3/18/2010 5:18:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/17/2010 8:24:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here's the requested research links:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

http://www.scribd.com...

I read the article. They did not dice up the salamnders brain and place it back into its body. They merely transplanted a brain from a different organism, a frog i believe, into the salamander.
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3/18/2010 6:01:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/18/2010 5:18:58 AM, tkubok wrote:
At 3/17/2010 8:24:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Here's the requested research links:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

http://www.scribd.com...

I read the article. They did not dice up the salamnders brain and place it back into its body. They merely transplanted a brain from a different organism, a frog i believe, into the salamander.

Yeah, they did. Look at the link I posted.
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3/18/2010 8:27:06 AM
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At 3/17/2010 8:16:49 PM, banker wrote:
Read brien wiess book on past life memory teropy find out how it helps you..!!

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