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8/28/2014 10:44:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The Apostle Paul said:
"This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief." (1 Tim. 1:15)

Paul had been a self-righteous hypocrite and a vehement persecutor of Christians before the Lord opened his blind eyes.

After his conversion, he preached the Gospel everywhere he went. And he suffered all manner of persecution and was eventually put to death for preaching the Gospel.

Why such a change?

Because THE LORD was GRACIOUS to HIM.

GOD gave him FAITH in HIS SON, JESUS CHRIST.

Paul said:
"For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed." (1 Cor. 15:9-11)

You see, Paul understood that, although he was totally unworthy, the Lord Jesus Christ died for him.

Paul was persuaded that his sins were paid for by Christ, and that Christ would preserve him and keep him until the end.
He said:
"I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me." (Galatians 2:20)

He said:
"...for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day." (2 Tim. 1:12-13)

It was also Paul who wrote this, in Romans 8:1-2 :
"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."

Now, God's Word says that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23), but God sent his Son to redeem sinners!

That's good news to a poor sinner, but how many people know that they're sinners, or are willing to admit it?

And how many know that Jesus Christ WELCOMES sinners?

Christ said:
"Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." (Luke 5:31-32)

You see, Christ WELCOMES SINNERS who COME to HIM seeking MERCY and FORGIVENESS of SINS.

NO MATTER HOW DEEP the STAIN of THEIR SINS, HE can WASH them AWAY!

In Isaiah 1:18, the LORD says:
"Come now, and let us reason together,"

He says:
"Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They shall be as wool."


Now, God has the right to save whomever he will save, and to pass by whomever he will.

Salvation is NOT a RIGHT.
It's a GIFT of FREE GRACE.
There is NOTHING YOU CAN DO to EARN IT.

But CHRIST WILL NOT TURN AWAY ANY SINNER WHO COMES TO HIM SEEKING MERCY and FORGIVENESS of SINS!

Christ said:
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out." (John 6:37)

If you can HEAR HIS VOICE when you read those words, then COME to HIM, BY FAITH, and RECEIVE MERCY!

Christ said:
"I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved," (John 10:9)

He said:
14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17 "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."
(John 10:14-18)

Why did Christ die?

What did he actually accomplish when he died on that cross at Calvary?


Christ died that he might be lord of the entire universe (Rom. 14:9).

He bought the right to rule the whole world and all who are in it as Lord (John 17:2; 2 Pet.2:1). He bought the right to dispose of the whole world and all who are in it as a righteous judge (2 Thess. 1:6-10). And he bought the right to make all things new and to have the praise of all things (Rev. 21:5; Rom. 8:23).

CHRIST DIED ON THAT CROSS, UNDER THE WRATH OF GOD, SO THAT GOD MIGHT BE BOTH JUST AND THE JUSTIFIER OF ALL WHO BELIEVE ON HIM. (Rom. 3:19-28).
It is not possible for us to justify ourselves by personal obedience to the law, because we are all sinners. (Romans 3:10-23)
It is not possible for God himself to justify us without the perfect fulfillment of the law"s righteousness and the complete satisfaction of the law"s justice by Christ.
Through the merits of Christ"s obedience and death God is just and we are justified, (made righteous in God"s sight).
It was the specific object of Christ in his death to make all for whom he died righteous before God; and he did it (2 Cor. 5:21; Jer. 23:6).

And since we who believe on the Son of God are justified without the works of the law, we have no grounds of boasting before God.

By faith in Christ, only by faith in Christ, we fulfill, honor, and satisfy the law of God (Rom. 3:31).

AGAIN,Christ said:
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out." (John 6:37)

If you can HEAR HIS VOICE when you read those words, then COME to HIM, BY FAITH, and RECEIVE MERCY!

The Word of God is very clear.
It says:
"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." (John 3:36)

If you want MERCY and FORGIVENESS, BELIEVE on CHRIST, who WELCOMES even the WORST of SINNERS.
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8/28/2014 10:53:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 10:47:37 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:44:32 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:

Did Jesus exist? I am not so sure.

Then at this time, you are lost.

And if you STAY lost, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

CHRIST is the only savior.
There's no other hope for a lost sinner.

You MUST come to Christ to be saved.
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8/28/2014 10:54:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 10:53:15 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:47:37 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:44:32 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:

Did Jesus exist? I am not so sure.

Then at this time, you are lost.

And if you STAY lost, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

CHRIST is the only savior.
There's no other hope for a lost sinner.

You MUST come to Christ to be saved.

How can I come to someone who either never existed, or is long dead? Tell me.
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8/28/2014 11:08:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 10:54:58 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:53:15 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:47:37 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:44:32 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:

Did Jesus exist? I am not so sure.

Then at this time, you are lost.

And if you STAY lost, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

CHRIST is the only savior.
There's no other hope for a lost sinner.

You MUST come to Christ to be saved.

How can I come to someone who either never existed, or is long dead? Tell me.

You come to Christ by FAITH. By RECEIVING his WORD.

His words are recorded in the Scriptures, what is known as the Holy Bible.

That's the revelation of Christ to mankind.

If you will not receive Christ's words, and believe in him, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

I suggest you start reading it, and seeking the grace of God to understand it and to believe what it says.
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8/28/2014 11:11:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 11:08:30 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:54:58 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:53:15 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:47:37 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:44:32 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:

Did Jesus exist? I am not so sure.

Then at this time, you are lost.

And if you STAY lost, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

CHRIST is the only savior.
There's no other hope for a lost sinner.

You MUST come to Christ to be saved.

How can I come to someone who either never existed, or is long dead? Tell me.

You come to Christ by FAITH. By RECEIVING his WORD.

His words are recorded in the Scriptures, what is known as the Holy Bible.

That's the revelation of Christ to mankind.

If you will not receive Christ's words, and believe in him, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

I suggest you start reading it, and seeking the grace of God to understand it and to believe what it says.

Should I report you for giving me a death and torture threats? It seems an asinine way or trying to make someone accept your position, and downright offensive.

I have read that book, and it's clearly most entirely false, and hence your entire belief system is most likely false.

Ergo you are here issuing unwarranted threats to people and really need mental help.
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8/28/2014 11:12:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 10:54:58 PM, Envisage wrote:

How can I come to someone who either never existed, or is long dead? Tell me.

Also, he's NOT DEAD.

He ROSE from the dead, after three days in the grave. (1 Cor. 15:4)

And he's sitting on his throne in Heaven right now, giving eternal life to whomever he will.
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8/28/2014 11:13:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 11:12:31 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:54:58 PM, Envisage wrote:

How can I come to someone who either never existed, or is long dead? Tell me.

Also, he's NOT DEAD.

He ROSE from the dead, after three days in the grave. (1 Cor. 15:4)

And he's sitting on his throne in Heaven right now, giving eternal life to whomever he will.

So that barely credible book says... Do you believe everything you read in storybooks?
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8/28/2014 11:13:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 11:11:35 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 11:08:30 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:54:58 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:53:15 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:47:37 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:44:32 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:

Did Jesus exist? I am not so sure.

Then at this time, you are lost.

And if you STAY lost, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

CHRIST is the only savior.
There's no other hope for a lost sinner.

You MUST come to Christ to be saved.

How can I come to someone who either never existed, or is long dead? Tell me.

You come to Christ by FAITH. By RECEIVING his WORD.

His words are recorded in the Scriptures, what is known as the Holy Bible.

That's the revelation of Christ to mankind.

If you will not receive Christ's words, and believe in him, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

I suggest you start reading it, and seeking the grace of God to understand it and to believe what it says.

Should I report you for giving me a death and torture threats? It seems an asinine way or trying to make someone accept your position, and downright offensive.

I have read that book, and it's clearly most entirely false, and hence your entire belief system is most likely false.

Ergo you are here issuing unwarranted threats to people and really need mental help.

It's not a threat, it's a promise.

And I'm clearly not God, so I'm not the one who condemns unbelievers to Hell.
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8/28/2014 11:15:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 11:13:56 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 11:11:35 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 11:08:30 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:54:58 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:53:15 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:47:37 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:44:32 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:

Did Jesus exist? I am not so sure.

Then at this time, you are lost.

And if you STAY lost, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

CHRIST is the only savior.
There's no other hope for a lost sinner.

You MUST come to Christ to be saved.

How can I come to someone who either never existed, or is long dead? Tell me.

You come to Christ by FAITH. By RECEIVING his WORD.

His words are recorded in the Scriptures, what is known as the Holy Bible.

That's the revelation of Christ to mankind.

If you will not receive Christ's words, and believe in him, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

I suggest you start reading it, and seeking the grace of God to understand it and to believe what it says.

Should I report you for giving me a death and torture threats? It seems an asinine way or trying to make someone accept your position, and downright offensive.

I have read that book, and it's clearly most entirely false, and hence your entire belief system is most likely false.

Ergo you are here issuing unwarranted threats to people and really need mental help.

It's not a threat, it's a promise.

And I'm clearly not God, so I'm not the one who condemns unbelievers to Hell.

Then I promise that my son will come to your house and kill you, and find your children and rape them.

How is that any different?
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8/28/2014 11:20:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 11:15:12 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 11:13:56 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 11:11:35 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 11:08:30 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:54:58 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:53:15 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:47:37 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:44:32 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:

Did Jesus exist? I am not so sure.

Then at this time, you are lost.

And if you STAY lost, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

CHRIST is the only savior.
There's no other hope for a lost sinner.

You MUST come to Christ to be saved.

How can I come to someone who either never existed, or is long dead? Tell me.

You come to Christ by FAITH. By RECEIVING his WORD.

His words are recorded in the Scriptures, what is known as the Holy Bible.

That's the revelation of Christ to mankind.

If you will not receive Christ's words, and believe in him, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

I suggest you start reading it, and seeking the grace of God to understand it and to believe what it says.

Should I report you for giving me a death and torture threats? It seems an asinine way or trying to make someone accept your position, and downright offensive.

I have read that book, and it's clearly most entirely false, and hence your entire belief system is most likely false.

Ergo you are here issuing unwarranted threats to people and really need mental help.

It's not a threat, it's a promise.

And I'm clearly not God, so I'm not the one who condemns unbelievers to Hell.

Then I promise that my son will come to your house and kill you, and find your children and rape them.

How is that any different?

I'm telling the truth, and you're making things up. That's the difference.

What I'm telling you is that there's mercy in Christ, and that he welcomes even the worst of sinners.

If you want to argue with me, instead of seeking mercy in Christ, that's your prerogative, but you have been warned.
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8/28/2014 11:21:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 11:20:00 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 11:15:12 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 11:13:56 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 11:11:35 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 11:08:30 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:54:58 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:53:15 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:47:37 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 8/28/2014 10:44:32 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:

Did Jesus exist? I am not so sure.

Then at this time, you are lost.

And if you STAY lost, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

CHRIST is the only savior.
There's no other hope for a lost sinner.

You MUST come to Christ to be saved.

How can I come to someone who either never existed, or is long dead? Tell me.

You come to Christ by FAITH. By RECEIVING his WORD.

His words are recorded in the Scriptures, what is known as the Holy Bible.

That's the revelation of Christ to mankind.

If you will not receive Christ's words, and believe in him, you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.

I suggest you start reading it, and seeking the grace of God to understand it and to believe what it says.

Should I report you for giving me a death and torture threats? It seems an asinine way or trying to make someone accept your position, and downright offensive.

I have read that book, and it's clearly most entirely false, and hence your entire belief system is most likely false.

Ergo you are here issuing unwarranted threats to people and really need mental help.

It's not a threat, it's a promise.

And I'm clearly not God, so I'm not the one who condemns unbelievers to Hell.

Then I promise that my son will come to your house and kill you, and find your children and rape them.

How is that any different?

I'm telling the truth, and you're making things up. That's the difference.

Who is making what up? All I hear are fairy tales from you and superstition.

What I'm telling you is that there's mercy in Christ, and that he welcomes even the worst of sinners.

If you want to argue with me, instead of seeking mercy in Christ, that's your prerogative, but you have been warned.

So have you, watch your back.
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8/28/2014 11:50:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 11:41:39 PM, Ash_RationalTheist wrote:
Its not a matter of whether he was resurrected or not...What matters is what he preached

Listen, Ash:

Krishna is a false god, and you're a lost idolater.
God will not tolerate the worship of false gods.

If Christ does not deliver you from darkness, you will perish in your sins and spend an eternity under the wrath of God.

Throw away your idol and seek the mercy of God through Jesus Christ, the One Mediator between God and men. (1 Tim. 2:5)
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8/29/2014 12:41:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/28/2014 11:50:09 PM, sovereigngracereigns wrote:
At 8/28/2014 11:41:39 PM, Ash_RationalTheist wrote:
Its not a matter of whether he was resurrected or not...What matters is what he preached

Listen, Ash:

Krishna is a false god, and you're a lost idolater.
I'd take that as your opinion. Even I can say Jesus is false...nothing really matters.
Krishna is a name of God...God and his name of non-different and hence Krishna is God
As far as idolatry is concerned, im not idolator.
I worship God through idols...thus spiritualizing my vision. To God through matter.

Because the material elements are the Lord"s own energy and because there is no difference between the energy and the energetic, the Lord can appear through any element. Just as the Sun can act through the sunshine and thus distribute its heat and light, so Krishna, by His inconceivable power, can appear in His original spiritual form in any material element, including stone, wood, paint, gold, silver and jewels, because the material elements are all His energy. The scriptures warn that one should never think of the Deity within the temple as stone, wood or any other material element.
God will not tolerate the worship of false gods.

If Christ does not deliver you from darkness, you will perish in your sins and spend an eternity under the wrath of God.

Throw away your idol and seek the mercy of God through Jesus Christ, the One Mediator between God and men. (1 Tim. 2:5)

Brethren! Candidly understand the question and do not allow yourself to be misled by sectarian dogmas. God is not jealous, as He is one without a second. Satan is no other than an object of the imagination or the subject of an allegory. An allegorical or imaginary being should not be allowed to act as an obstacle to the development of our loving relationship with God.

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
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8/29/2014 1:00:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Christianity suffers package deal problem

Each philosophy has certain core tenets. Then there are extensions of the core tenets. Further, after the founder has died, his/ her followers keep adding more concepts to the philosophy. And then even rituals, practices, assumptions are added upon. Now the entire package is sold in market. Either you buy the entire package or nothing. It is impossible for any truly rational person to be in full agreement with the complete package without an element of doubt. So the group of followers largely include people who keep ego above reason, emotions above rationale. Instead of being truth-seekers, they become defenders of the package. Instead of being students of the subject, they become security-guards of the publishing house. Now whole game of conquest and expansion and inter-rivalry among different publishing houses begins and the core purpose as well as core tenets of philosophies are sidelined in more showy aspects of the publishing industry.

Source: http://agniveer.com...
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8/29/2014 2:01:43 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Moral of the OP, since Paul was ignorant of the effects of a seizure affecting the temporal lobe and mistook it for a spiritual experience, we should all forget everything we've learned about seizures and share in Paul's ignorance.

It's interesting that you choose to phrase this that the event "opened his blind eyes", when the narrative claims that he could see until the event left him blind for 3-days. It would seem obvious that the event blinded his open eyes.

But let's follow your logic here and see where it leads. We now know that seizures affecting the temporal lobe are often described as "spiritual". The founder of the Seventh Day Adventists - Ellen White - suffered an injury to her temporal lobe which lead to multiple seizures and "visions", upon which she founded the church. This is a distinct parallel with the story of Paul. So if we accept Paul's interpretation rather than what medical science has learned...

... we should also be attempting to appease volcanoes, rather than learning of the physical mechanisms leading to an erruption.

... we should note that people used to sacrifice their virgin children to their gods to insure a bountiful harvest, and give up our modern agricultural techniques.

... we should abandon combating leprosy and other diseases with antibiotics, and instead resort to treating such diseases with ritualistic spattering of bird blood, combined with ritualistic shaving (Leviticus 14:1-9).

... military testing and development of new weapons should be abandoned in favor of developing new religious symbols to carry into battle, and battles should be coordinated with any vision a general or the chief executive commander claims to have.

To the author of the O.P., would you be in favor of adopting such tactics and procedures or do you think your suggested logic should end at any point beyond your suggested adoption of Paul's beliefs?
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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8/29/2014 2:34:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/29/2014 2:01:43 AM, Beastt wrote:
Moral of the OP, since Paul was ignorant of the effects of a seizure affecting the temporal lobe and mistook it for a spiritual experience, we should all forget everything we've learned about seizures and share in Paul's ignorance.


Right, and we are too take the creative writing and vacuous accusations as fact. My faith denies Paul's experience, so you should to. Its intelligent to just follow people who just make crap up! ... Wait, isn't that the point you are attempting to make and subsequently undermining your own case?

Heh, I had a vision vs. no you just hit your head because I say so.

I mean, people hit their heads ALL the time, without switching sides to become persecuted and tortured/martyred in the name of a single seizure. ALL the time. Quite common.

Not too mention anyone claiming to have had a vision would expect to be dismissed as a crazy or insane, and to do so anyone ... and then not be locked up as insane? Huh ...

Nah, must have been what MY faith demands pretty much everything must be ... nothing.