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9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.
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9/6/2014 2:18:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

How many times are you going to post this drivel?

If the only way you think life has meaning is for you to kow-tow to an invisible, undetectable overlord, please go for it.

Meanwhile we atheists, not the strawman atheist you imagine, manage to find meaning and purpose without such belief. We've tried to explain, but you don't need to understand how we do it.

If you think atheism is dismal, stay a theist and stop your whining and attempted belittling of atheists. It's beneath contempt.
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9/6/2014 2:20:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

A prime example of why the world still needs these people to have religion, they haven't evolved enough to be able to give themselves purpose and without religion they would certainly destroy the planet.

Of course even with religion this type of psychology is more than capable of destroying the planet.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/6/2014 2:24:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 2:18:35 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

How many times are you going to post this drivel?

If the only way you think life has meaning is for you to kow-tow to an invisible, undetectable overlord, please go for it.

Meanwhile we atheists, not the strawman atheist you imagine, manage to find meaning and purpose without such belief. We've tried to explain, but you don't need to understand how we do it.

If you think atheism is dismal, stay a theist and stop your whining and attempted belittling of atheists. It's beneath contempt.

Red herring. Are my points invalid? Yes or no.
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9/6/2014 2:29:23 AM
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At 9/6/2014 2:20:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

A prime example of why the world still needs these people to have religion, they haven't evolved enough to be able to give themselves purpose and without religion they would certainly destroy the planet.

Of course even with religion this type of psychology is more than capable of destroying the planet.

You fail to see the irony in how "haven't evolved enough" and "destroy the planet" implies an objective context to these evils. A stark contradiction with your belief that existence is objectively meaningless.
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9/6/2014 2:34:22 AM
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At 9/6/2014 2:29:23 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:20:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

A prime example of why the world still needs these people to have religion, they haven't evolved enough to be able to give themselves purpose and without religion they would certainly destroy the planet.

Of course even with religion this type of psychology is more than capable of destroying the planet.

You fail to see the irony in how "haven't evolved enough" and "destroy the planet" implies an objective context to these evils. A stark contradiction with your belief that existence is objectively meaningless.

From whence comes your objective meaning?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/6/2014 2:35:59 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 2:24:38 AM, Benshapiro wrote:

Red herring. Are my points invalid? Yes or no.

Your 'points' are purest drivel. Grow up.
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9/6/2014 2:42:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 2:34:22 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:29:23 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:20:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

A prime example of why the world still needs these people to have religion, they haven't evolved enough to be able to give themselves purpose and without religion they would certainly destroy the planet.

Of course even with religion this type of psychology is more than capable of destroying the planet.

You fail to see the irony in how "haven't evolved enough" and "destroy the planet" implies an objective context to these evils. A stark contradiction with your belief that existence is objectively meaningless.

From whence comes your objective meaning?

From God. A conscious source that intentionally created human beings for some purpose. We obviously have anecdotal evidence of some purpose from you.
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9/6/2014 2:47:11 AM
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At 9/6/2014 2:35:59 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:24:38 AM, Benshapiro wrote:

Red herring. Are my points invalid? Yes or no.

Your 'points' are purest drivel. Grow up.

I understand your frustration.
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9/6/2014 2:48:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 2:18:35 AM, dee-em wrote:


Meanwhile we atheists, not the strawman atheist you imagine, manage to find meaning and purpose without such belief. We've tried to explain, but you don't need to understand how we do it.

Well, please enlighten us with that purpose? Because what it usually is, is ripped off religion, only you don't need religion for it.

I think you might want to trace the development of ethical conduct through humanity, where you quickly see that religion has had a MAJOR impact. Atheism? Not so much.

But please, share with us this purpose? I mean secular humanism is a good stab, but, that actually smacks of a religion, and the vast majority of atheists are not secular humanists - or whose adherence to that ideology is akin to a lay Catholic who is aware of Catholicism, but hardly following its standards.
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9/6/2014 2:54:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 2:42:34 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:34:22 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:29:23 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:20:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

A prime example of why the world still needs these people to have religion, they haven't evolved enough to be able to give themselves purpose and without religion they would certainly destroy the planet.

Of course even with religion this type of psychology is more than capable of destroying the planet.

You fail to see the irony in how "haven't evolved enough" and "destroy the planet" implies an objective context to these evils. A stark contradiction with your belief that existence is objectively meaningless.

From whence comes your objective meaning?

From God. A conscious source that intentionally created human beings for some purpose. We obviously have anecdotal evidence of some purpose from you.

Then it is not objective. It is subject to your god. It's really quite simple.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/6/2014 3:00:38 AM
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At 9/6/2014 2:47:11 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:35:59 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:24:38 AM, Benshapiro wrote:

Red herring. Are my points invalid? Yes or no.

Your 'points' are purest drivel. Grow up.

I understand your frustration.

You know, you represent everything that is wrong with religion. Your 'points' have been answered in every other almost identical thread you have raised on this same topic. However, since you have the attention span of a flea or in your pathetic attempts to demonize atheists you keep popping up with the same steaming pile of sh*t on a weekly basis.

Do you have any other thoughts or insights you might want to share? Do you put into practice the humility and love of your fellow man that your religion supposedly instils in you? Or do we all have to join the Christian club in order to have those benefits conferred on us?
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9/6/2014 3:01:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 2:54:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:42:34 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:34:22 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:29:23 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:20:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

A prime example of why the world still needs these people to have religion, they haven't evolved enough to be able to give themselves purpose and without religion they would certainly destroy the planet.

Of course even with religion this type of psychology is more than capable of destroying the planet.

You fail to see the irony in how "haven't evolved enough" and "destroy the planet" implies an objective context to these evils. A stark contradiction with your belief that existence is objectively meaningless.

From whence comes your objective meaning?

From God. A conscious source that intentionally created human beings for some purpose. We obviously have anecdotal evidence of some purpose from you.

Then it is not objective. It is subject to your god. It's really quite simple.

Subject doesn't mean something objective is subjective. Subject in that context just means "In accordance to". 2+2 = 4 is an objective fact subject to mathematical arithmetic.
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9/6/2014 3:11:48 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 3:00:38 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:47:11 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:35:59 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:24:38 AM, Benshapiro wrote:

Red herring. Are my points invalid? Yes or no.

Your 'points' are purest drivel. Grow up.

I understand your frustration.

You know, you represent everything that is wrong with religion. Your 'points' have been answered in every other almost identical thread you have raised on this same topic. However, since you have the attention span of a flea or in your pathetic attempts to demonize atheists you keep popping up with the same steaming pile of sh*t on a weekly basis.

Do you have any other thoughts or insights you might want to share? Do you put into practice the humility and love of your fellow man that your religion supposedly instils in you? Or do we all have to join the Christian club in order to have those benefits conferred on us?

I simply asked for a yes or no regarding the validity of my arguments. If it can't be answered that simply, I don't think my points have been answered.

I'm not trying to demonizes atheists. I'm trying to make them come to terms with what they really believe is true. Interestingly, these points would have absolutely no reason to cause contention if any of them were true. Disagree?

People who are affirmed in their beliefs so deeply can't be reached without facing tough questions to make them begin questioning again.
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9/6/2014 3:18:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 2:48:22 AM, neutral wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:18:35 AM, dee-em wrote:


Meanwhile we atheists, not the strawman atheist you imagine, manage to find meaning and purpose without such belief. We've tried to explain, but you don't need to understand how we do it.

Well, please enlighten us with that purpose? Because what it usually is, is ripped off religion, only you don't need religion for it.

We each, individually, make our own meaning and purpose.

I think you might want to trace the development of ethical conduct through humanity, where you quickly see that religion has had a MAJOR impact. Atheism? Not so much.

Atheism is not an organization. There is theism and atheism. Organized religion has no equivalent for atheists. Have you got that?

Religious ethics have always reflected societal ethics. Ethical behaviour flows into religion from the society that created it, not the other way around. The Australian aboriginals had a strong ethical system without organized religion for nearly 60,000 years. So much for religion driving ethics.

But please, share with us this purpose? I mean secular humanism is a good stab, but, that actually smacks of a religion, and the vast majority of atheists are not secular humanists - or whose adherence to that ideology is akin to a lay Catholic who is aware of Catholicism, but hardly following its standards.
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9/6/2014 3:27:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 3:18:56 AM, dee-em wrote:


We each, individually, make our own meaning and purpose.


No offense dee, but that is a cop out.

What is YOUR purpose? We figure it out ...

LIFE is about more than you, its something that ALL humans share. So what is the PURPOSE of life?

W make our own meaning? Agh yeah, we do ... its not really an answer.

Its like asking what is 1+1 equal? And getting - figure it out as an answer (and that is an easy one, the PURPOSE of life? That is not so easy).

So again, you take great offense to the OP, understandably so, but there is a legitimate question there. If naturalism reigns supreme (and it does for most atheists), then you are just a collection of DNA - nothing. You and not technically different than any other life form. A cow, a monkey, a chicken, a tree, etc. - save for the fact that your random DNA is randomly different. So why can we eat cows but not humans?

There is the larger Darwinian aspect of evolution as well, the survival of the fittest, and indeed, in early humanity, or even in places where the rule of law has failed, we see this in humanity - the string take from the weak and use those ill gotten resources to survive and reproduce. Is that the purpose? Because the morality of mere survival and reproduction, if we are just DNA attempting to self replicate .... well, that is all the purpose we need, correct? And its ME over you brother! I need more babies to make my genes survive! Rape is thus evolutionary success! (And indeed, in the animal kingdom this is precisely so - to the point where some species have females that develop anti-rape features.

http://www.newscientist.com...

So, this is a legitimate question - because claiming naturalism as guide has implication both ethical and practical. We find our own meaning is ... a cop out.
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9/6/2014 3:36:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 3:27:38 AM, neutral wrote:
At 9/6/2014 3:18:56 AM, dee-em wrote:


We each, individually, make our own meaning and purpose.


No offense dee, but that is a cop out.

What is YOUR purpose? We figure it out ...

LIFE is about more than you, its something that ALL humans share. So what is the PURPOSE of life?

W make our own meaning? Agh yeah, we do ... its not really an answer.

Its like asking what is 1+1 equal? And getting - figure it out as an answer (and that is an easy one, the PURPOSE of life? That is not so easy).

So again, you take great offense to the OP, understandably so, but there is a legitimate question there. If naturalism reigns supreme (and it does for most atheists), then you are just a collection of DNA - nothing. You and not technically different than any other life form. A cow, a monkey, a chicken, a tree, etc. - save for the fact that your random DNA is randomly different. So why can we eat cows but not humans?

There is the larger Darwinian aspect of evolution as well, the survival of the fittest, and indeed, in early humanity, or even in places where the rule of law has failed, we see this in humanity - the string take from the weak and use those ill gotten resources to survive and reproduce. Is that the purpose? Because the morality of mere survival and reproduction, if we are just DNA attempting to self replicate .... well, that is all the purpose we need, correct? And its ME over you brother! I need more babies to make my genes survive! Rape is thus evolutionary success! (And indeed, in the animal kingdom this is precisely so - to the point where some species have females that develop anti-rape features.

http://www.newscientist.com...

So, this is a legitimate question - because claiming naturalism as guide has implication both ethical and practical. We find our own meaning is ... a cop out.

How is it a cop-out? I'm telling you that I make my own meaning and purpose in life. If you think I am a liar then you must know something I don't. So you tell us, where does my meaning and purpose come from if I am lying.
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9/6/2014 3:55:46 AM
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At 9/6/2014 3:36:08 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 9/6/2014 3:27:38 AM, neutral wrote:
At 9/6/2014 3:18:56 AM, dee-em wrote:


We each, individually, make our own meaning and purpose.


No offense dee, but that is a cop out.

What is YOUR purpose? We figure it out ...

LIFE is about more than you, its something that ALL humans share. So what is the PURPOSE of life?

W make our own meaning? Agh yeah, we do ... its not really an answer.

Its like asking what is 1+1 equal? And getting - figure it out as an answer (and that is an easy one, the PURPOSE of life? That is not so easy).

So again, you take great offense to the OP, understandably so, but there is a legitimate question there. If naturalism reigns supreme (and it does for most atheists), then you are just a collection of DNA - nothing. You and not technically different than any other life form. A cow, a monkey, a chicken, a tree, etc. - save for the fact that your random DNA is randomly different. So why can we eat cows but not humans?

There is the larger Darwinian aspect of evolution as well, the survival of the fittest, and indeed, in early humanity, or even in places where the rule of law has failed, we see this in humanity - the string take from the weak and use those ill gotten resources to survive and reproduce. Is that the purpose? Because the morality of mere survival and reproduction, if we are just DNA attempting to self replicate .... well, that is all the purpose we need, correct? And its ME over you brother! I need more babies to make my genes survive! Rape is thus evolutionary success! (And indeed, in the animal kingdom this is precisely so - to the point where some species have females that develop anti-rape features.

http://www.newscientist.com...

So, this is a legitimate question - because claiming naturalism as guide has implication both ethical and practical. We find our own meaning is ... a cop out.

How is it a cop-out? I'm telling you that I make my own meaning and purpose in life. If you think I am a liar then you must know something I don't. So you tell us, where does my meaning and purpose come from if I am lying.

And the meaning is?

The response to the implications of naturalism is?

Nothing.

YOU claimed that YOU derived meaning without God, etc. When asked to clarify what the meaning is? Its the meaning!

OK, well that pretty clearly demonstrates circular reasoning, and the problem here dee is that you are ready to 'critically analyze' religious clams and dismiss them as stupid and irrelevant, and then dismiss any of the implications of naturalism as equally ridiculous - with a haughty dismissiveness that begs the question: all right smarty pants, if EVERYONE else is wrong, what's YOUR answer?

Well?

There are both logical (it's not probable, is statistically impossible) and ethical (the survival of the fittest?) implications to naturalism as a claim.

Its precisely this reality that drives the Fine-Tuned Universe theory right alongside Mere Christianity - because as we examine the ethical claims of 'God' and the ethical claims of naturalism ... we see, very clearly, that there is a wide margin between them.

So, if we are just the accidental creation that resulted form primordial soup over eons, why should our ethical construct be any different than a pack of lions? Who kill the young of a pride when they take over in order to induce the females to heat sooner.

It isn't a flagrant violation of the pride of atheism to point this out - its the ethical implications of naturalism.

You claim something else? OK, so what is that?

Meaning you see!

Cop out.
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9/6/2014 5:11:12 AM
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At 9/6/2014 3:55:46 AM, neutral wrote:
At 9/6/2014 3:36:08 AM, dee-em wrote:

How is it a cop-out? I'm telling you that I make my own meaning and purpose in life. If you think I am a liar then you must know something I don't. So you tell us, where does my meaning and purpose come from if I am lying.

And the meaning is?

The response to the implications of naturalism is?

Nothing.

YOU claimed that YOU derived meaning without God, etc. When asked to clarify what the meaning is? Its the meaning!

OK, well that pretty clearly demonstrates circular reasoning, and the problem here dee is that you are ready to 'critically analyze' religious clams and dismiss them as stupid and irrelevant, and then dismiss any of the implications of naturalism as equally ridiculous - with a haughty dismissiveness that begs the question: all right smarty pants, if EVERYONE else is wrong, what's YOUR answer?

Well?

There are both logical (it's not probable, is statistically impossible) and ethical (the survival of the fittest?) implications to naturalism as a claim.

Its precisely this reality that drives the Fine-Tuned Universe theory right alongside Mere Christianity - because as we examine the ethical claims of 'God' and the ethical claims of naturalism ... we see, very clearly, that there is a wide margin between them.

So, if we are just the accidental creation that resulted form primordial soup over eons, why should our ethical construct be any different than a pack of lions? Who kill the young of a pride when they take over in order to induce the females to heat sooner.

It isn't a flagrant violation of the pride of atheism to point this out - its the ethical implications of naturalism.

You claim something else? OK, so what is that?

Meaning you see!

Cop out.

As I have already said the meaning we create for our lives varies with the individual. There is no one size fits all.

Are you really interested in the meaning I assigned to my own life? I could tell you but how is it useful? Some people find meaning in becoming a great basketball player. Others find it in playing the piano really well. Some enjoy working with computers. A few derive purpose from trolling religious forums online. Most find meaning in working hard and providing for their families. Where is the problem with each of us finding our own meaning and purpose?

You can keep talking about naturalism as much as you like. I've never raised it. It amuses me to see someone having a conversation with themselves. Lol.

The theistic position is absurd. If you observed bees closely you would see them full of purpose. They do everything they can to find a source of pollen and alert the hive to it. If something attacks the hive, they swarm and sting (at the cost of their own life) to drive away the defender. I guess we would have to posit a Bee God to assign them meaning and purpose because it couldn't possibly be inherent in them!

You theists don't realize how ridiculous your position appears to an atheist. For you everything has to come from god or it has no value.
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9/6/2014 7:42:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 3:01:40 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:54:01 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:42:34 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:34:22 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:29:23 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:20:57 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

A prime example of why the world still needs these people to have religion, they haven't evolved enough to be able to give themselves purpose and without religion they would certainly destroy the planet.

Of course even with religion this type of psychology is more than capable of destroying the planet.

You fail to see the irony in how "haven't evolved enough" and "destroy the planet" implies an objective context to these evils. A stark contradiction with your belief that existence is objectively meaningless.

From whence comes your objective meaning?

From God. A conscious source that intentionally created human beings for some purpose. We obviously have anecdotal evidence of some purpose from you.

Then it is not objective. It is subject to your god. It's really quite simple.

Subject doesn't mean something objective is subjective. Subject in that context just means "In accordance to".
No it doesn't, I'm the author of the statement and my context is the subjectivity of your invented god's opinion.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/6/2014 9:01:48 AM
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At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

Why do you require an external force to tell you what is good, evil, or what your purpose ought to be?
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9/6/2014 9:34:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 9:01:48 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

Why do you require an external force to tell you what is good, evil, or what your purpose ought to be?

To rape twice a day is good... its really fun why do you think its wrong, to steal money and not work is awesome... am i wrong?
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9/6/2014 9:37:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 9:34:27 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:01:48 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

Why do you require an external force to tell you what is good, evil, or what your purpose ought to be?

To rape twice a day is good... its really fun why do you think its wrong, to steal money and not work is awesome... am i wrong?

Not within your beliefs apparently.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/6/2014 9:41:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 9:37:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:34:27 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:01:48 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

Why do you require an external force to tell you what is good, evil, or what your purpose ought to be?

To rape twice a day is good... its really fun why do you think its wrong, to steal money and not work is awesome... am i wrong?

Not within your beliefs apparently.

Andddddddd.... you are wrong booommm
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9/6/2014 9:53:48 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 9:41:36 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:37:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:34:27 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:01:48 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

Why do you require an external force to tell you what is good, evil, or what your purpose ought to be?

To rape twice a day is good... its really fun why do you think its wrong, to steal money and not work is awesome... am i wrong?

Not within your beliefs apparently.

Andddddddd.... you are wrong booommm

It was your statement to which I responded. So it must be.

boom shakalaka
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/6/2014 10:21:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

Just for clarification, would you say that life only has inherent meaning if a god exists, and if no gods exist then life does not have any inherent meaning at all?
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9/6/2014 10:25:44 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 9:34:27 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:01:48 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

Why do you require an external force to tell you what is good, evil, or what your purpose ought to be?

To rape twice a day is good... its really fun why do you think its wrong, to steal money and not work is awesome... am i wrong?

Yes, you are wrong.

Wrong as far as I am concerned, and that is all I care about.

Whether you are right or wrong in your view apparently depends on what some guy in the sky says, so why don't you go ask him and tell me what he decides. Then tell me why you think this is a better way determining what is right or wrong.
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9/6/2014 10:25:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 9:53:48 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:41:36 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:37:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:34:27 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:01:48 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

Why do you require an external force to tell you what is good, evil, or what your purpose ought to be?

To rape twice a day is good... its really fun why do you think its wrong, to steal money and not work is awesome... am i wrong?

Not within your beliefs apparently.

Andddddddd.... you are wrong booommm

It was your statement to which I responded. So it must be.

boom shakalaka

Without God if we brainwash ourselves rape is good it will be good or like the nazis it was good to kill jews becuase they are inferior race... sharks also rape xD so whats the different if we all just animals? eventually if rape is beneficial to me why its wrong? If i going to die to nothing well its better to live selfish... Im not thinking like that just saying what some people claiming u can help me?
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9/6/2014 10:39:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 10:25:45 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:53:48 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:41:36 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:37:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:34:27 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/6/2014 9:01:48 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

Why do you require an external force to tell you what is good, evil, or what your purpose ought to be?

To rape twice a day is good... its really fun why do you think its wrong, to steal money and not work is awesome... am i wrong?

Not within your beliefs apparently.

Andddddddd.... you are wrong booommm

It was your statement to which I responded. So it must be.

boom shakalaka

Without God if we brainwash ourselves rape is good it will be good or like the nazis it was good to kill jews becuase they are inferior race... sharks also rape xD so whats the different if we all just animals? eventually if rape is beneficial to me why its wrong? If i going to die to nothing well its better to live selfish... Im not thinking like that just saying what some people claiming u can help me?

To rape twice a day is good..

your statement dude, not mine.

Your god thinks it should be more often.

Human men can exists with barely clothed women and not rape them.

Muslim men cannot be trusted with women dressed in their finest dresses at a wedding. Once the potato sacks come off and the women start to enjoy themselves, the men are not allowed in, because they don't have enough respect for women not to rape them.

Muslim men have indoctrinated muslim women to believe that it makes them special, if a muslim man might see a woman's ankle then he will rape her and if she wants to be special she won't show an ankle.

What your religion says is that men can do whatever they want to women who won't obey the men's rules and it's the woman's fault.

Pathetic prehumans.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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9/6/2014 11:08:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/6/2014 9:01:48 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 9/6/2014 2:01:41 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Life has no inherent meaning. Whether we kill each other, burn up the planet, begin a movement for world peace, etc, is objectively meaningless one way or the other. Human lives are actually no more valuable than junk. Everything is intrinsically worthless.

There's really no such thing as good or evil. Raping people or giving to charity are either subjectively good/evil or it is objective to a meaningless purpose.

All acts of love like jumping on a grenade to save the lives of your platoon or trying to make the lives of terminally ill kids happier are all explained as evolutionary instincts.

Why do you require an external force to tell you what is good, evil, or what your purpose ought to be?

God grounds the means for an inherent sense of purpose and what is good/evil. Purpose and good/evil exist inherently because we have a sense of objective moral standards.