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The notion of hell

Benshapiro
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9/13/2014 1:41:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Hell is not compatable with an all-loving God.

Take the following analogy.

You wake up, locked in a small room with only one door. A messenger unlocks the door and greets you. He locks the door behind him. The messenger tells you that you Mr. X finds you guilty of disobeying him but wants you to accept him. He says that if you accept Mr. X, you'll be choosing to have a life of eternal bliss and happiness. But if you choose not to accept Mr. X, he will approve of having you tortured endlessly without chance of redemption. Now, will you choose to go to this torture chamber or will you accept Mr. X and have your wildest dreams come true? If you don't make a decision either way you'll be going to the torture chamber. So make the decision. The messenger leaves the room and locks it behind him.

Now, obviously this shows a moral dilemma between God's perfect moral nature and the decision to put anyone in a place of conscious torture for rejecting him. Do you think the person in this situation would accept God out of fear? For selfish reasons of wanting personal eternal happiness? What it doesn't show, is acceptance of God out of love.

If God exists, as a perfect moral being, a place of unending torture wouldn't exist either.
Dragonfang
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9/13/2014 2:25:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Hell is not compatable with an all-loving God.

God is also all-just, all-wise, etc... It is almost like you are claiming to be those things, but I'll bite and see the support for your conclusion.

Take the following analogy.

You wake up, locked in a small room with only one door. A messenger unlocks the door and greets you. He locks the door behind him. The messenger tells you that you Mr. X finds you guilty of disobeying him but wants you to accept him. He says that if you accept Mr. X, you'll be choosing to have a life of eternal bliss and happiness. But if you choose not to accept Mr. X, he will approve of having you tortured endlessly without chance of redemption. Now, will you choose to go to this torture chamber or will you accept Mr. X and have your wildest dreams come true? If you don't make a decision either way you'll be going to the torture chamber. So make the decision. The messenger leaves the room and locks it behind him.

The analogy could've been much more better as it disregard many things such as the attributes of Mr. X, instincts, purpose of life, miracles, morality, etc... But no analogy is perfect. Lets go on and hope that your argument is not solely based on a weak analogy.

Now, obviously this shows a moral dilemma between God's perfect moral nature and the decision to put anyone in a place of conscious torture for rejecting him. Do you think the person in this situation would accept God out of fear? For selfish reasons of wanting personal eternal happiness? What it doesn't show, is acceptance of God out of love.

Lol. "Moral dilemma". Dude...

1- If God does not exist, then objective moral values do not exist.
2- Objective moral values do exist.
C: Therefore, God exists.

By accepting the morality exists, you pretty much trapped yourself in the moral argument.
Your conclusion do not follow the conclusion and are question begging regarding the existence of morality. Furthermore, it is an argument from ignorance since God is all-wise, all you did was say: "I do not see the wisdom, therefore it does not exist!". Well, sorry to break it to you, but the purpose of life is not to have a giant party; that is for heaven.

As for personal reasons for accepting God, it is gratitude. However, the reward and punishment work as secondary incentives.

If God exists, as a perfect moral being, a place of unending torture wouldn't exist either.

Smh.