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3/31/2010 6:46:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
A 3D image based on the Shroud of Turin has been rendered for the first time.

I'm skeptical of the Shroud's validity, but interesting nonetheless.

The problem is that they rendered his skin color white. Jesus was NOT white. Show me one man born in the Middle East who was born with white skin.
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3/31/2010 6:51:05 PM
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At 3/31/2010 6:49:59 PM, Koopin wrote:
Lol at white Jesus, it is obvious that he was black.


Jk...

No, he was definitely arab. :P Muslims said so. lol jk.
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3/31/2010 6:51:18 PM
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At 3/31/2010 6:47:13 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Maybe jesus was arab? No, I doubt that. He was jewish.

Jews are Arabs, more or less. But to note, Hebrew and other Israelite languages are all Semetic, as is Arabic. It's not a hard stretch to say they're apart of the same ethnic umbrella.
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3/31/2010 6:52:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 6:51:18 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 3/31/2010 6:47:13 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Maybe jesus was arab? No, I doubt that. He was jewish.

Jews are Arabs, more or less. But to note, Hebrew and other Israelite languages are all Semetic, as is Arabic. It's not a hard stretch to say they're apart of the same ethnic umbrella.

But jews are white. :s
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3/31/2010 6:53:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 6:52:06 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/31/2010 6:51:18 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 3/31/2010 6:47:13 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Maybe jesus was arab? No, I doubt that. He was jewish.

Jews are Arabs, more or less. But to note, Hebrew and other Israelite languages are all Semetic, as is Arabic. It's not a hard stretch to say they're apart of the same ethnic umbrella.

But jews are white. :s

Jews back then by and large didn't look white.
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3/31/2010 6:54:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 6:53:29 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/31/2010 6:52:06 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/31/2010 6:51:18 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 3/31/2010 6:47:13 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Maybe jesus was arab? No, I doubt that. He was jewish.

Jews are Arabs, more or less. But to note, Hebrew and other Israelite languages are all Semetic, as is Arabic. It's not a hard stretch to say they're apart of the same ethnic umbrella.

But jews are white. :s

Jews back then by and large didn't look white.

Must just be the European Jews I'm thinking of then.
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3/31/2010 6:55:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 6:52:06 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
But jews are white. :s

Israelites probably share much more in common with Arabs than European Caucasians. Skin colour could be the result of years of breeding with Caucasian Europe.

Jews come in all colours. Israelites, the ethnicity, are Semetic, and probably close to Arabs.
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3/31/2010 6:56:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 6:54:30 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:


Must just be the European Jews I'm thinking of then.

Nah, sounds like the Eskimo Jews to me.
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3/31/2010 6:58:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/31/2010 6:55:50 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 3/31/2010 6:52:06 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
But jews are white. :s

Israelites probably share much more in common with Arabs than European Caucasians. Skin colour could be the result of years of breeding with Caucasian Europe.

Jews come in all colours. Israelites, the ethnicity, are Semetic, and probably close to Arabs.

Well yea, considering Arabic and Hebrew are directly related languages it makes perfect sense. Shalom Aleichem=Assalamu Alaikum. Seems pretty similar to me.
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4/1/2010 1:31:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/1/2010 1:25:16 AM, Puck wrote:
Erm they did analysis of the cloth. It's a forged artifact from the medieval period.

Great! More evidence that Jesus didn't exist. :P

However, what possible analysis of a cloth could lead to the conclusion that it is forged? Carbon dating / radiometric dating didn't match the alleged time period?
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4/1/2010 1:33:15 AM
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3 separate labs all did a test that came to around circa 1260-1390 for the material. Catholic church had observers at all 3 if I recall correctly.

And no it's not disproof of Jesus, as a single shroud doesn't fit the story too well.
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4/1/2010 1:40:47 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/1/2010 1:33:15 AM, Puck wrote:
3 separate labs all did a test that came to around circa 1260-1390 for the material. Catholic church had observers at all 3 if I recall correctly.

Then why isn't it regarded as officially debunked by everyone then?

And no it's not disproof of Jesus, as a single shroud doesn't fit the story too well.

I know. I said it was evidence of his non-existence. Why? Because dismantled evidence for a claim, is evidence against the claim.
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4/1/2010 1:44:46 AM
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At 4/1/2010 1:34:28 AM, Puck wrote:
In more interesting news though:

http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com...

Yeah, I agree with that. I was very psychologically impaired while being a Christian. I had a fear of God and a fear of Hell that kept me in an unhealthy psychological state.

I find it outrageous that the term "God-fearing person" is considered a positive statement about someone.
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4/1/2010 1:49:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/1/2010 1:40:47 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/1/2010 1:33:15 AM, Puck wrote:
3 separate labs all did a test that came to around circa 1260-1390 for the material. Catholic church had observers at all 3 if I recall correctly.

Then why isn't it regarded as officially debunked by everyone then?

Why do people not want to believe empiricism for many things? Religious belief has primacy. Plus icon worship is a fairly rooted concept in catholic history and practice. Just look at the word relic. :P

And no it's not disproof of Jesus, as a single shroud doesn't fit the story too well.

I know. I said it was evidence of his non-existence. Why? Because dismantled evidence for a claim, is evidence against the claim.

Eh, inferential error. I say elephants exist - a claim on this is I state they exist in Japan. You spend a great many years in Japan, traveling the countryside. No elephants!

To infer then that there are no elephants, is an inferential error as there are possibilities (evidence) that can exist outside and not contingent on my claim that they exist in Japan.
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4/1/2010 1:56:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/1/2010 1:49:59 AM, Puck wrote:
At 4/1/2010 1:40:47 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/1/2010 1:33:15 AM, Puck wrote:
3 separate labs all did a test that came to around circa 1260-1390 for the material. Catholic church had observers at all 3 if I recall correctly.

Then why isn't it regarded as officially debunked by everyone then?

Why do people not want to believe empiricism for many things? Religious belief has primacy. Plus icon worship is a fairly rooted concept in catholic history and practice. Just look at the word relic. :P

Despite the irrationality of the religious, you would think that most would accept scientific fact. Also, why didn't it make the major news that it was officially debunked?

And no it's not disproof of Jesus, as a single shroud doesn't fit the story too well.

I know. I said it was evidence of his non-existence. Why? Because dismantled evidence for a claim, is evidence against the claim.

Eh, inferential error. I say elephants exist - a claim on this is I state they exist in Japan. You spend a great many years in Japan, traveling the countryside. No elephants!

To infer then that there are no elephants, is an inferential error as there are possibilities (evidence) that can exist outside and not contingent on my claim that they exist in Japan.

You're right. I used poor wording.

I meant to say that dismantled evidence of a claim certainly is a blow against it. If it is widely believed that a piece of evidence validates a claim, then dismantled evidence could be seen as contrary evidence to the widely believed claim.
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4/1/2010 2:04:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/1/2010 1:56:54 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

Why do people not want to believe empiricism for many things? Religious belief has primacy. Plus icon worship is a fairly rooted concept in catholic history and practice. Just look at the word relic. :P

Despite the irrationality of the religious, you would think that most would accept scientific fact. Also, why didn't it make the major news that it was officially debunked?

How many Catholics do you know swear by it? Not many that I know, mainly the entrenched elderly who don't really care about empirical evidence in everyday matters anyway. It did make the news, at least in archaeological circles :P

We don't get a news break every time no one gets a miracle granted at Lourdes, either. :P

And no it's not disproof of Jesus, as a single shroud doesn't fit the story too well.

I know. I said it was evidence of his non-existence. Why? Because dismantled evidence for a claim, is evidence against the claim.

Eh, inferential error. I say elephants exist - a claim on this is I state they exist in Japan. You spend a great many years in Japan, traveling the countryside. No elephants!

To infer then that there are no elephants, is an inferential error as there are possibilities (evidence) that can exist outside and not contingent on my claim that they exist in Japan.

You're right. I used poor wording.

I meant to say that dismantled evidence of a claim certainly is a blow against it. If it is widely believed that a piece of evidence validates a claim, then dismantled evidence could be seen as contrary evidence to the widely believed claim.

Sure, not entirely sure how many pin their faith on a piece of cloth they will never see or touch though. :P
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4/1/2010 2:23:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/1/2010 2:04:36 AM, Puck wrote:
At 4/1/2010 1:56:54 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Despite the irrationality of the religious, you would think that most would accept scientific fact. Also, why didn't it make the major news that it was officially debunked?

How many Catholics do you know swear by it? Not many that I know, mainly the entrenched elderly who don't really care about empirical evidence in everyday matters anyway. It did make the news, at least in archaeological circles :P

Ahh, I see. I thought it was widely held by the religious that the Shroud is authentic.

We don't get a news break every time no one gets a miracle granted at Lourdes, either. :P

Hahaa.

You're right. I used poor wording.

I meant to say that dismantled evidence of a claim certainly is a blow against it. If it is widely believed that a piece of evidence validates a claim, then dismantled evidence could be seen as contrary evidence to the widely believed claim.

Sure, not entirely sure how many pin their faith on a piece of cloth they will never see or touch though. :P

Well, yes. But even though it may not apply to the Shroud, it applies in general
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4/1/2010 2:28:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/1/2010 2:23:49 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

Ahh, I see. I thought it was widely held by the religious that the Shroud is authentic.


ahahahahahhaahah!
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4/1/2010 2:39:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/1/2010 2:28:58 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/1/2010 2:23:49 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

Ahh, I see. I thought it was widely held by the religious that the Shroud is authentic.


ahahahahahhaahah!

You laugh at that statement which was made by me, but a rock would never make such an absurd claim.
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4/1/2010 3:41:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/1/2010 1:25:16 AM, Puck wrote:
Erm they did analysis of the cloth. It's a forged artifact from the medieval period.

The guy who realised that later determind that they had merely analysed a section from a medieval repair... and decided that the shroud may in fact have been genuine.
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4/1/2010 4:11:27 AM
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Insert thanks for your humor saying jesus was arab..!

Arabs have been as asian as others but turned dark..!!
Arabs mixed with their trading partners mostly blacks..!!
Egieptions and real palastinians where black
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4/1/2010 4:19:03 AM
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At 4/1/2010 3:41:08 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 4/1/2010 1:25:16 AM, Puck wrote:
Erm they did analysis of the cloth. It's a forged artifact from the medieval period.

The guy who realised that later determind that they had merely analysed a section from a medieval repair... and decided that the shroud may in fact have been genuine.

Three separate pieces to 3 separate labs for the dating. The 'blood' is tempera paint, consistent with the medieval dating period.
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4/1/2010 7:09:36 AM
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At 4/1/2010 4:11:27 AM, banker wrote:
Insert thanks for your humor saying jesus was arab..!

Arabs have been as asian as others but turned dark..!!
Arabs mixed with their trading partners mostly blacks..!!
Egieptions and real palastinians where black

Actually Hebrew Jews and Arabs are part of exactly the same race - the Semites.

Don't forget the Jews origins are in modern-day Iraq.
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4/1/2010 7:44:19 AM
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At 4/1/2010 4:11:27 AM, banker wrote:
Insert thanks for your humor saying jesus was arab..!

Arabs have been as asian as others but turned dark..!!
Arabs mixed with their trading partners mostly blacks..!!

Erm no, for most of their history they would not been in contact with blacks.

Egieptions and real palastinians where black

Again no... they were not. We can see from what they left behind that they were not.
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4/1/2010 11:32:50 AM
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At 3/31/2010 6:52:06 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:

But jews are white. :s

I have a friend from israel, he's not white, he's tan
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4/1/2010 4:33:37 PM
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At 4/1/2010 7:44:19 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 4/1/2010 4:11:27 AM, banker wrote:
Insert thanks for your humor saying jesus was arab..!

Arabs have been as asian as others but turned dark..!!
Arabs mixed with their trading partners mostly blacks..!!

Erm no, for most of their history they would not been in contact with blacks.

What? Arabs have been enslaving blacks for Millennia.

Egieptions and real palastinians where black

Again no... they were not. We can see from what they left behind that they were not.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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