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Osiris
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4/4/2010 2:34:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
This is a letter my friend's mom's boyfriend wrote this morning explaining why he want to participate in any Easter activities. My friend's family are very religious Christians and apparently the mom's boyfriend is not. ROFL!!

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4/4/2010 2:35:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 2:34:18 PM, Osiris wrote:
This is a letter my friend's mom's boyfriend wrote this morning explaining why he Didn't want to participate in any Easter activities. My friend's family are very religious Christians and apparently the mom's boyfriend is not. ROFL!!


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4/4/2010 2:37:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Haha. I could almost picture my sister doing something like that. Too bad my family isn't religious so she would have no reason to.
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4/4/2010 2:37:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Well, that's a little rude.

I consider myself agnostic, but I don't try to, you know, make a big fuss over mere holidays; I make a fuss over the religious laws imposed on me. Hell, even I celebrate a secular version of Easter, going out to dinner with the family. Holidays are a good excuse to have fun and to have some good eatin'.
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4/4/2010 2:43:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 2:34:18 PM, Osiris wrote:
This is a letter my friend's mom's boyfriend wrote this morning explaining why he want to participate in any Easter activities

You mean doesn't want right?

In which case the obvious rebuttal is:

"Science tells us that the fats and sugars make eggs and candy delicious."
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4/4/2010 2:47:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 2:43:47 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 4/4/2010 2:34:18 PM, Osiris wrote:
This is a letter my friend's mom's boyfriend wrote this morning explaining why he want to participate in any Easter activities

You mean doesn't want right?

In which case the obvious rebuttal is:

"Science tells us that the fats and sugars make eggs and candy delicious."

Yeah, I meant doesn't. I corrected myself after.
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4/4/2010 2:49:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 2:37:14 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Well, that's a little rude.

I consider myself agnostic, but I don't try to, you know, make a big fuss over mere holidays; I make a fuss over the religious laws imposed on me. Hell, even I celebrate a secular version of Easter, going out to dinner with the family. Holidays are a good excuse to have fun and to have some good eatin'.

Same here. We just use holidays like Easter to pig out. Not to mention there are some good sales going on during holidays. :D
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4/4/2010 2:49:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Ah.

My "Obvious rebuttal" that the fellow writing this should be informed of stands.
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4/4/2010 2:53:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
definately on the rude side (that letter). Those are the agnostics/atheists that I can't stand, they're just the same as the religous people that act the same way (they have to remind you of their religion and how they disagree with yours every chance they get). No one likes people like that.

Heck, I'm christian and I can't stand it when on a bus, some creepy lady taps me on the shoulder and asks me if I found the Lord savior Jesus and won't leave me alone. That's not about religion as it is about respect for others.
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GeoLaureate8
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4/4/2010 3:01:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 2:37:14 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Well, that's a little rude.

I consider myself agnostic, but I don't try to, you know, make a big fuss over mere holidays; I make a fuss over the religious laws imposed on me. Hell, even I celebrate a secular version of Easter, going out to dinner with the family. Holidays are a good excuse to have fun and to have some good eatin'.

Yeah, but they weren't celebrating secular Easter. They truly believed in all the other stuff, hence why they attended mass.

Sometimes people need to hear that point of view, otherwise they'll go through the whole of their life believing passionately in that stuff without stopping to question and think about it.

Generally, if no one challenges them, they will continue to believe forever unchallenged.
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4/4/2010 3:04:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 2:34:18 PM, Osiris wrote:
This is a letter my friend's mom's boyfriend wrote this morning explaining why he want to participate in any Easter activities. My friend's family are very religious Christians and apparently the mom's boyfriend is not. ROFL!!


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Lol if he lasts 5 more days in that relationship I'll be surprised
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4/4/2010 3:04:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 2:40:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Lol at self-refuting scientism.

Why is it self refuting to hold that the sciences are the key to understanding reality?
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4/4/2010 3:09:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:04:07 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/4/2010 2:40:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Lol at self-refuting scientism.

Why is it self refuting to hold that the sciences are the key to understanding reality?

Did he come to that position using science or using some other non-scientific method?
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4/4/2010 3:14:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:09:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:04:07 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/4/2010 2:40:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Lol at self-refuting scientism.

Why is it self refuting to hold that the sciences are the key to understanding reality?

Did he come to that position using science or using some other non-scientific method?

Non-science. But he never claimed science was the only way to provide answers. You're attacking a strawman.
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4/4/2010 3:17:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:09:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:04:07 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/4/2010 2:40:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Lol at self-refuting scientism.

Why is it self refuting to hold that the sciences are the key to understanding reality?

Did he come to that position using science or using some other non-scientific method?

He, as an on-looker of science and religion, can decide which one has the key to understanding reality. The sciences probably have demonstrated and proved themselves to him to be able to understand reality, where as religion has not.
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4/4/2010 3:18:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:14:57 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:09:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:04:07 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/4/2010 2:40:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Lol at self-refuting scientism.

Why is it self refuting to hold that the sciences are the key to understanding reality?

Did he come to that position using science or using some other non-scientific method?

Non-science. But he never claimed science was the only way to provide answers. You're attacking a strawman.

Because saying science holds *the* answers to reality doesn't imply anything, right?
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4/4/2010 3:20:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:17:39 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:09:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:04:07 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/4/2010 2:40:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Lol at self-refuting scientism.

Why is it self refuting to hold that the sciences are the key to understanding reality?

Did he come to that position using science or using some other non-scientific method?

He, as an on-looker of science and religion, can decide which one has the key to understanding reality. The sciences probably have demonstrated and proved themselves to him to be able to understand reality, where as religion has not.

Pop is trying to say that since he thinks science is the only way to understand reality his position is self-refuting because he used non-scientific means to get to that conclusion. But he never actually said that.
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4/4/2010 3:21:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:01:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 4/4/2010 2:37:14 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Well, that's a little rude.

I consider myself agnostic, but I don't try to, you know, make a big fuss over mere holidays; I make a fuss over the religious laws imposed on me. Hell, even I celebrate a secular version of Easter, going out to dinner with the family. Holidays are a good excuse to have fun and to have some good eatin'.

Yeah, but they weren't celebrating secular Easter. They truly believed in all the other stuff, hence why they attended mass.

Sometimes people need to hear that point of view, otherwise they'll go through the whole of their life believing passionately in that stuff without stopping to question and think about it.

Generally, if no one challenges them, they will continue to believe forever unchallenged.

true, but the way one says that other point of view makes all the difference. You can't attack someone to bring them over to your point of view.
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Kinesis
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4/4/2010 3:23:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:18:50 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:14:57 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:09:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:04:07 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/4/2010 2:40:46 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Lol at self-refuting scientism.

Why is it self refuting to hold that the sciences are the key to understanding reality?

Did he come to that position using science or using some other non-scientific method?

Non-science. But he never claimed science was the only way to provide answers. You're attacking a strawman.

Because saying science holds *the* answers to reality doesn't imply anything, right?

If he'd said *all of the* then you might have a case. As it is, you're just playing rather unconvincing semantics.
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4/4/2010 3:30:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
While I find the letter more than a little rude (quite a-holey, to be honest), I can understand the point of view. If I was stuck around people who believed in everything quite madly as these people apparently do, I'd want to speak up as well.

But, as I said, it was quite rude, and there really is no excuse for it. People can't be speakers for the cause 100% of the time unless they want to be alone in life. You have to be a little elastic sometimes. Be tolerant and respectful of other's opinions and ideals once in a while. Don't try and pick a fight with everyone and everything.

For example, while on vacation I entered this beautiful church in town, and when I went up to the altar, out of respect I crossed myself, even though I could be the farthest thing from a believer or religious. It's just about respect.
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4/4/2010 3:33:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:23:45 PM, Kinesis wrote:

If he'd said *all of the* then you might have a case. As it is, you're just playing rather unconvincing semantics.

You're right. When Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." he didn't really mean that he was the ONLY way, truth and life.
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4/4/2010 3:35:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:33:40 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:23:45 PM, Kinesis wrote:

If he'd said *all of the* then you might have a case. As it is, you're just playing rather unconvincing semantics.

You're right. When Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." he didn't really mean that he was the ONLY way, truth and life.

Glad you agree. :D
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4/4/2010 3:38:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:33:40 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:23:45 PM, Kinesis wrote:

If he'd said *all of the* then you might have a case. As it is, you're just playing rather unconvincing semantics.

You're right. When Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." he didn't really mean that he was the ONLY way, truth and life.

So if you say God is the route to knowledge about the universe, that automatically means you think all sciences are ruled out? No, it just means you think it's the primary route.
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4/4/2010 3:38:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:35:03 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:33:40 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:23:45 PM, Kinesis wrote:

If he'd said *all of the* then you might have a case. As it is, you're just playing rather unconvincing semantics.

You're right. When Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." he didn't really mean that he was the ONLY way, truth and life.

Glad you agree. :D

It's a miracle! :D

Anyways, I don't find the letter that rude at all. I find it a bit humorous, actually.
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4/4/2010 3:39:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
@Kinesis

I think popculturepooka is right. He did believe that only science holds the keys to understanding. That was a blatant implication by the letter.
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4/4/2010 3:40:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:38:27 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:35:03 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:33:40 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:23:45 PM, Kinesis wrote:

If he'd said *all of the* then you might have a case. As it is, you're just playing rather unconvincing semantics.

You're right. When Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." he didn't really mean that he was the ONLY way, truth and life.

Glad you agree. :D

It's a miracle! :D

Anyways, I don't find the letter that rude at all. I find it a bit humorous, actually.

Yeah, this is fairly pointless bickering. :D
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4/4/2010 3:41:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:33:40 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/4/2010 3:23:45 PM, Kinesis wrote:

If he'd said *all of the* then you might have a case. As it is, you're just playing rather unconvincing semantics.

You're right. When Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." he didn't really mean that he was the ONLY way, truth and life.

I can assure you he did. "There is no salvation other than me", no ultimate truth other than me.

+ by truth I assume you mean, the truth.
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4/4/2010 3:49:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 3:39:14 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@Kinesis

I think popculturepooka is right. He did believe that only science holds the keys to understanding. That was a blatant implication by the letter.

Okay, lets look at what he said: 'physics, chemistry etc. and other sciences hold the answers to reality'

Science is not reality, but the interpretation and organisation of knowledge about reality. At least, if we assume he's talking about reality as in the physical universe.