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is atheism a religion?

headphonegut
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4/5/2010 5:40:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
over the past few years there has been how would you say there has been a...boom in people who don't believe in God and in fact there is so many that people have been grouping together labeling themselves as atheists or agnostics so my question should said people have a right to claim they are in a religion against religions or are they nonreligious?
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4/5/2010 5:43:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 5:40:20 PM, headphonegut wrote:
over the past few years there has been how would you say there has been a...boom in people who don't believe in God and in fact there is so many that people have been grouping together labeling themselves as atheists or agnostics so my question should said people have a right to claim they are in a religion against religions or are they nonreligious?

Nope, considering it's a lack of belief I wouldn't really classify it as a religion.
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4/5/2010 5:50:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
There are churches for it.
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4/5/2010 5:57:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm usually against calling atheism a religion, but the "new atheists" seem to have traits of a religion. They have a certain view of the world, they're dedicated to it, and spread its message.

But it all kind of depends on how you define religion.
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4/5/2010 5:59:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 5:57:05 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

But it all kind of depends on how you define religion.

By such a definition as that, flu awareness campaigns are a religion.
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4/5/2010 6:02:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 5:59:03 PM, Puck wrote:
At 4/5/2010 5:57:05 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

But it all kind of depends on how you define religion.

By such a definition as that, flu awareness campaigns are a religion.

Conservatives call global warming a religion, lol.
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4/5/2010 7:13:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
No, Atheism is not a religion. Some Atheists observe it like it is a religion but when you really get down to it the only unifying concept of Atheism is the disbelief in dieties.
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4/5/2010 8:49:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 8:47:04 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Atheism is a religious dogma or ideology it's not a religion.

I consider myself an atheist because I see no reason to believe in/support religious dogma or ideology.
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belle
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4/5/2010 9:08:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 8:47:04 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Atheism is a religious dogma or ideology it's not a religion.

how can something be a "religious dogma" without being a religion?

the adjective "religious" implies that the dogma is a part of a religion, which implies that atheism is one. make up your mind!

and btw geo, by your definition you are extremely religious given all those conspiracy theories you ramble on about :P
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4/5/2010 9:13:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 9:08:59 PM, belle wrote:
the adjective "religious" implies that the dogma is a part of a religion, which implies that atheism is one. make up your mind!

An adjective would be consering subject x. Not accually subject x.

Why do you always try and correct me? I think this is personal. :P
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belle
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4/5/2010 9:21:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 9:13:51 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/5/2010 9:08:59 PM, belle wrote:
the adjective "religious" implies that the dogma is a part of a religion, which implies that atheism is one. make up your mind!

An adjective would be consering subject x. Not accually subject x.

Why do you always try and correct me? I think this is personal. :P

why would it be personal? yours was one of the last posts and i found the idea of something being a "religious dogma" without being a religion absurd.

and if atheism is a "dogma concerning religion", then it would be classified as a religious belief. you can call it a dogma concerning metaphysics or something and avoid the whole mess. or ideology like you said.

why so sensitive? :P
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Zetsubou
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4/5/2010 9:28:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm I sensitive? That's a first. lol

lol, dogma couldve been the wrong them but...

Wiki:Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization: it is authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted or diverged from.

Conserning subject x, not subject x. My point still stands.
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4/5/2010 9:29:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 9:13:51 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/5/2010 9:08:59 PM, belle wrote:
the adjective "religious" implies that the dogma is a part of a religion, which implies that atheism is one. make up your mind!

An adjective would be consering subject x. Not accually subject x.

Why do you always try and correct me? I think this is personal. :P

You have to admit you say some pretty off the wall stuff. ;)
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belle
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4/5/2010 9:30:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 9:28:06 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Wiki:Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization: it is authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted or diverged from.

Conserning subject x, not subject x. My point still stands.

dogma's fine, its the "religious" part i have a problem with.

can someone hold a "religious belief" and not be a member of any religion?
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Zetsubou
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4/5/2010 9:34:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 9:29:02 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 4/5/2010 9:13:51 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/5/2010 9:08:59 PM, belle wrote:
the adjective "religious" implies that the dogma is a part of a religion, which implies that atheism is one. make up your mind!

An adjective would be consering subject x. Not accually subject x.

Why do you always try and correct me? I think this is personal. :P

You have to admit you say some pretty off the wall stuff. ;)

Will you quit it! srsly. See the agnostic to Christian topic.

And you try and debate about Sperm, God and adjectives with the same person in different threads.(still quite fun) Anyway, It was a bad joke, I don't really care.
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Zetsubou
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4/5/2010 9:45:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 9:30:31 PM, belle wrote:
At 4/5/2010 9:28:06 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Wiki:Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization: it is authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted or diverged from.

Conserning subject x, not subject x. My point still stands.

dogma's fine, its the "religious" part i have a problem with.

can someone hold a "religious belief" and not be a member of any religion?

Do the English, people!! : ) --- : D --- XD

Ok, sentence. <Object> is a

The adjective doesn't no make the noun the adjective. Basically, A religous <Insertnounhere> doesn't not make <Insertnounhere> a Religion.

Example,
That cat is a fascist Asian.
Atheism is a relgious dogma.
Chuck Norris is a narcissistic fish.

Asians aren't necessarily Fascist. [Concerning or of a Fascist Nature]
A religious dogma isn't necessarily a religion. [Of the subject of religion, philosophy of religion]
Fish aren't necessarily narcissistic. [Concerning Narcissism]

My spider sense is telling me, you disagree. Imarite?
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Zetsubou
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4/5/2010 9:51:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 9:30:31 PM, belle wrote:
can someone hold a "religious belief" and not be a member of any religion?

Yes, a belief concerning religion. EG. Pantheism, not an accual religion just a religious belief.
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belle
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4/5/2010 9:59:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 9:45:35 PM, Zetsubou wrote:

That cat is a fascist Asian.
Asians aren't necessarily Fascist. [Concerning or of a Fascist Nature]

no they aren't. the structure isn't the same though. "facist" is modifying asian and "fascist asian" is modifying "that cat". "that cat" IS a fascist in addition to being asian. IOW: the cat has the characteristics of being a fascist as well as the characteristics of being asian.

now... dogmas are not necessarily religious, but if atheism is a religious dogma then "atheism" IS religious. that doesn't make much sense does it?

"atheism is a dogma" would mean that lack of belief in god is characterized by whatever definition of dogma you'd like to uphold.

"atheism is a religious dogma" would mean that lack of belief in god is characterized by dogmatic thought, and additionally has the characteristics of a religion. what does it mean to have the characteristics of a religion but to be a religion?

My spider sense is telling me, you disagree. Imarite?

i both agree and disagree. read carefully :P
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Zetsubou
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4/5/2010 10:15:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 9:59:07 PM, belle wrote:
At 4/5/2010 9:45:35 PM, Zetsubou wrote:

That cat is a fascist Asian.
Asians aren't necessarily Fascist. [Concerning or of a Fascist Nature]

no they aren't. the structure isn't the same though. "facist" is modifying asian and "fascist asian" is modifying "that cat". "that cat" IS a fascist in addition to being asian. IOW: the cat has the characteristics of being a fascist as well as the characteristics of being asian.

Somewhat an agreement? That is my intention, so they overlap but have a different meaning in sentence order.

now... dogmas are not necessarily religious, but if atheism is a religious dogma then "atheism" IS religious. that doesn't make much sense does it?

Disagree part?
Atheism can be religious, and is religious[As in concerning religion] The error comes from the lack of a second term. Atheism is Religious. I said Atheism is a Religious Dogma. Note the adjective is with Dogma not Atheist; so it's Atheism is a Religious Dogma not Atheism is Religious.


"atheism is a dogma" would mean that lack of belief in god is characterized by whatever definition of dogma you'd like to uphold.

"atheism is a religious dogma" would mean that lack of belief in god is characterized by dogmatic thought, and additionally has the characteristics of a religion. what does it mean to have the characteristics of a religion but to be a religion?

This is the agreement part, that I don't really like. It's sound reasoning but I never said this wasn't true.


My spider sense is telling me, you disagree. Imarite?

i both agree and disagree. read carefully :P

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GeoLaureate8
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4/5/2010 10:40:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 9:51:31 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/5/2010 9:30:31 PM, belle wrote:
can someone hold a "religious belief" and not be a member of any religion?

Yes, a belief concerning religion. EG. Pantheism, not an accual religion just a religious belief.

Pantheism is a metaphysical belief. Not a religious belief.
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