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ChristianPunk
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10/1/2014 10:00:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I've heard of these letters Christians talk about by Josephus and Tacitus which is bull crap since they lived after Christ's death and have never seen him. However, I heard of this guy named Lentulus now. He is said to have been a member of the Roman council and lived enough to see Jesus. The letter has been translated in different descriptions, but here's one of the manuscript translations.

"Lentulus, the Governor of the Jerusalemites to the Roman Senate and People, greetings. There has appeared in our times, and there still lives, a man of great power (virtue), called Jesus Christ. The people call him prophet of truth; his disciples, son of God. He raises the dead, and heals infirmities. He is a man of medium size (statura procerus, mediocris et spectabilis); he has a venerable aspect, and his beholders can both fear and love him. His hair is of the colour of the ripe hazel-nut, straight down to the ears, but below the ears wavy and curled, with a bluish and bright reflection, flowing over his shoulders. It is parted in two on the top of the head, after the pattern of the Nazarenes. His brow is smooth and very cheerful with a face without wrinkle or spot, embellished by a slightly reddish complexion. His nose and mouth are faultless. His beard is abundant, of the colour of his hair, not long, but divided at the chin. His aspect is simple and mature, his eyes are changeable and bright. He is terrible in his reprimands, sweet and amiable in his admonitions, cheerful without loss of gravity. He was never known to laugh, but often to weep. His stature is straight, his hands and arms beautiful to behold. His conversation is grave, infrequent, and modest. He is the most beautiful among the children of men."

So my question is, could there be any way this is a forgery or is this somewhat close to a legitimate thing? I don't even know if he was a real person this Lentulus fellow.
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10/1/2014 10:06:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/1/2014 10:00:45 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I've heard of these letters Christians talk about by Josephus and Tacitus which is bull crap since they lived after Christ's death and have never seen him. However, I heard of this guy named Lentulus now. He is said to have been a member of the Roman council and lived enough to see Jesus. The letter has been translated in different descriptions, but here's one of the manuscript translations.

"Lentulus, the Governor of the Jerusalemites to the Roman Senate and People, greetings. There has appeared in our times, and there still lives, a man of great power (virtue), called Jesus Christ. The people call him prophet of truth; his disciples, son of God. He raises the dead, and heals infirmities. He is a man of medium size (statura procerus, mediocris et spectabilis); he has a venerable aspect, and his beholders can both fear and love him. His hair is of the colour of the ripe hazel-nut, straight down to the ears, but below the ears wavy and curled, with a bluish and bright reflection, flowing over his shoulders. It is parted in two on the top of the head, after the pattern of the Nazarenes. His brow is smooth and very cheerful with a face without wrinkle or spot, embellished by a slightly reddish complexion. His nose and mouth are faultless. His beard is abundant, of the colour of his hair, not long, but divided at the chin. His aspect is simple and mature, his eyes are changeable and bright. He is terrible in his reprimands, sweet and amiable in his admonitions, cheerful without loss of gravity. He was never known to laugh, but often to weep. His stature is straight, his hands and arms beautiful to behold. His conversation is grave, infrequent, and modest. He is the most beautiful among the children of men."

So my question is, could there be any way this is a forgery or is this somewhat close to a legitimate thing? I don't even know if he was a real person this Lentulus fellow.

I couldn't help you because I wasn't there as a witness to that letter. Can you imagine anyone trying to doctor up a written document by adding or subtracting some information?

A fool is one who believes history is an accurate account of what God programmed His people to do, say and act out. There's a reason God has me underline certain parts of the prophecies He has me post in this forum. He's the only one who knows what's going on in this world.
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10/1/2014 10:22:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/1/2014 10:00:45 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I've heard of these letters Christians talk about by Josephus and Tacitus which is bull crap since they lived after Christ's death and have never seen him. However, I heard of this guy named Lentulus now. He is said to have been a member of the Roman council and lived enough to see Jesus. The letter has been translated in different descriptions, but here's one of the manuscript translations.

"Lentulus, the Governor of the Jerusalemites to the Roman Senate and People, greetings. There has appeared in our times, and there still lives, a man of great power (virtue), called Jesus Christ. The people call him prophet of truth; his disciples, son of God. He raises the dead, and heals infirmities. He is a man of medium size (statura procerus, mediocris et spectabilis); he has a venerable aspect, and his beholders can both fear and love him. His hair is of the colour of the ripe hazel-nut, straight down to the ears, but below the ears wavy and curled, with a bluish and bright reflection, flowing over his shoulders. It is parted in two on the top of the head, after the pattern of the Nazarenes. His brow is smooth and very cheerful with a face without wrinkle or spot, embellished by a slightly reddish complexion. His nose and mouth are faultless. His beard is abundant, of the colour of his hair, not long, but divided at the chin. His aspect is simple and mature, his eyes are changeable and bright. He is terrible in his reprimands, sweet and amiable in his admonitions, cheerful without loss of gravity. He was never known to laugh, but often to weep. His stature is straight, his hands and arms beautiful to behold. His conversation is grave, infrequent, and modest. He is the most beautiful among the children of men."

So my question is, could there be any way this is a forgery or is this somewhat close to a legitimate thing? I don't even know if he was a real person this Lentulus fellow.

There's probably plenty of stuff on this Lentulus guy on the internet.
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10/1/2014 10:25:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/1/2014 10:22:16 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:00:45 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I've heard of these letters Christians talk about by Josephus and Tacitus which is bull crap since they lived after Christ's death and have never seen him. However, I heard of this guy named Lentulus now. He is said to have been a member of the Roman council and lived enough to see Jesus. The letter has been translated in different descriptions, but here's one of the manuscript translations.

"Lentulus, the Governor of the Jerusalemites to the Roman Senate and People, greetings. There has appeared in our times, and there still lives, a man of great power (virtue), called Jesus Christ. The people call him prophet of truth; his disciples, son of God. He raises the dead, and heals infirmities. He is a man of medium size (statura procerus, mediocris et spectabilis); he has a venerable aspect, and his beholders can both fear and love him. His hair is of the colour of the ripe hazel-nut, straight down to the ears, but below the ears wavy and curled, with a bluish and bright reflection, flowing over his shoulders. It is parted in two on the top of the head, after the pattern of the Nazarenes. His brow is smooth and very cheerful with a face without wrinkle or spot, embellished by a slightly reddish complexion. His nose and mouth are faultless. His beard is abundant, of the colour of his hair, not long, but divided at the chin. His aspect is simple and mature, his eyes are changeable and bright. He is terrible in his reprimands, sweet and amiable in his admonitions, cheerful without loss of gravity. He was never known to laugh, but often to weep. His stature is straight, his hands and arms beautiful to behold. His conversation is grave, infrequent, and modest. He is the most beautiful among the children of men."

So my question is, could there be any way this is a forgery or is this somewhat close to a legitimate thing? I don't even know if he was a real person this Lentulus fellow.

There's probably plenty of stuff on this Lentulus guy on the internet.

Instead of listening to the voice of the Lord and learning about who they are in Him, God's people go to the internet to find lies about the past.
LogicalLunatic
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10/1/2014 10:29:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/1/2014 10:25:57 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:22:16 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:00:45 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I've heard of these letters Christians talk about by Josephus and Tacitus which is bull crap since they lived after Christ's death and have never seen him. However, I heard of this guy named Lentulus now. He is said to have been a member of the Roman council and lived enough to see Jesus. The letter has been translated in different descriptions, but here's one of the manuscript translations.

"Lentulus, the Governor of the Jerusalemites to the Roman Senate and People, greetings. There has appeared in our times, and there still lives, a man of great power (virtue), called Jesus Christ. The people call him prophet of truth; his disciples, son of God. He raises the dead, and heals infirmities. He is a man of medium size (statura procerus, mediocris et spectabilis); he has a venerable aspect, and his beholders can both fear and love him. His hair is of the colour of the ripe hazel-nut, straight down to the ears, but below the ears wavy and curled, with a bluish and bright reflection, flowing over his shoulders. It is parted in two on the top of the head, after the pattern of the Nazarenes. His brow is smooth and very cheerful with a face without wrinkle or spot, embellished by a slightly reddish complexion. His nose and mouth are faultless. His beard is abundant, of the colour of his hair, not long, but divided at the chin. His aspect is simple and mature, his eyes are changeable and bright. He is terrible in his reprimands, sweet and amiable in his admonitions, cheerful without loss of gravity. He was never known to laugh, but often to weep. His stature is straight, his hands and arms beautiful to behold. His conversation is grave, infrequent, and modest. He is the most beautiful among the children of men."

So my question is, could there be any way this is a forgery or is this somewhat close to a legitimate thing? I don't even know if he was a real person this Lentulus fellow.

There's probably plenty of stuff on this Lentulus guy on the internet.

Instead of listening to the voice of the Lord and learning about who they are in Him, God's people go to the internet to find lies about the past.

Okay, so let's assume for a moment that Christianity is a lie and yet the words of the Bible are true.
The Bible talks about Jesus Christ and endorses all of the doctrines generally believed by Christians.
So why do you believe the Bible but not accept Christianity?
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10/1/2014 10:30:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/1/2014 10:29:11 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:25:57 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:22:16 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:00:45 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I've heard of these letters Christians talk about by Josephus and Tacitus which is bull crap since they lived after Christ's death and have never seen him. However, I heard of this guy named Lentulus now. He is said to have been a member of the Roman council and lived enough to see Jesus. The letter has been translated in different descriptions, but here's one of the manuscript translations.

"Lentulus, the Governor of the Jerusalemites to the Roman Senate and People, greetings. There has appeared in our times, and there still lives, a man of great power (virtue), called Jesus Christ. The people call him prophet of truth; his disciples, son of God. He raises the dead, and heals infirmities. He is a man of medium size (statura procerus, mediocris et spectabilis); he has a venerable aspect, and his beholders can both fear and love him. His hair is of the colour of the ripe hazel-nut, straight down to the ears, but below the ears wavy and curled, with a bluish and bright reflection, flowing over his shoulders. It is parted in two on the top of the head, after the pattern of the Nazarenes. His brow is smooth and very cheerful with a face without wrinkle or spot, embellished by a slightly reddish complexion. His nose and mouth are faultless. His beard is abundant, of the colour of his hair, not long, but divided at the chin. His aspect is simple and mature, his eyes are changeable and bright. He is terrible in his reprimands, sweet and amiable in his admonitions, cheerful without loss of gravity. He was never known to laugh, but often to weep. His stature is straight, his hands and arms beautiful to behold. His conversation is grave, infrequent, and modest. He is the most beautiful among the children of men."

So my question is, could there be any way this is a forgery or is this somewhat close to a legitimate thing? I don't even know if he was a real person this Lentulus fellow.

There's probably plenty of stuff on this Lentulus guy on the internet.

Instead of listening to the voice of the Lord and learning about who they are in Him, God's people go to the internet to find lies about the past.

Okay, so let's assume for a moment that Christianity is a lie and yet the words of the Bible are true.
The Bible talks about Jesus Christ and endorses all of the doctrines generally believed by Christians.
So why do you believe the Bible but not accept Christianity?

Why do you ask Me questions instead of listening to My voice and learning who you are in Me?
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10/1/2014 10:32:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/1/2014 10:30:40 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:29:11 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:25:57 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:22:16 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:00:45 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I've heard of these letters Christians talk about by Josephus and Tacitus which is bull crap since they lived after Christ's death and have never seen him. However, I heard of this guy named Lentulus now. He is said to have been a member of the Roman council and lived enough to see Jesus. The letter has been translated in different descriptions, but here's one of the manuscript translations.

"Lentulus, the Governor of the Jerusalemites to the Roman Senate and People, greetings. There has appeared in our times, and there still lives, a man of great power (virtue), called Jesus Christ. The people call him prophet of truth; his disciples, son of God. He raises the dead, and heals infirmities. He is a man of medium size (statura procerus, mediocris et spectabilis); he has a venerable aspect, and his beholders can both fear and love him. His hair is of the colour of the ripe hazel-nut, straight down to the ears, but below the ears wavy and curled, with a bluish and bright reflection, flowing over his shoulders. It is parted in two on the top of the head, after the pattern of the Nazarenes. His brow is smooth and very cheerful with a face without wrinkle or spot, embellished by a slightly reddish complexion. His nose and mouth are faultless. His beard is abundant, of the colour of his hair, not long, but divided at the chin. His aspect is simple and mature, his eyes are changeable and bright. He is terrible in his reprimands, sweet and amiable in his admonitions, cheerful without loss of gravity. He was never known to laugh, but often to weep. His stature is straight, his hands and arms beautiful to behold. His conversation is grave, infrequent, and modest. He is the most beautiful among the children of men."

So my question is, could there be any way this is a forgery or is this somewhat close to a legitimate thing? I don't even know if he was a real person this Lentulus fellow.

There's probably plenty of stuff on this Lentulus guy on the internet.

Instead of listening to the voice of the Lord and learning about who they are in Him, God's people go to the internet to find lies about the past.

Okay, so let's assume for a moment that Christianity is a lie and yet the words of the Bible are true.
The Bible talks about Jesus Christ and endorses all of the doctrines generally believed by Christians.
So why do you believe the Bible but not accept Christianity?

Why do you ask Me questions instead of listening to My voice and learning who you are in Me?

Because I seriously doubt that God actually speaks through you.
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10/1/2014 10:33:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/1/2014 10:32:02 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:30:40 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:29:11 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:25:57 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:22:16 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 10/1/2014 10:00:45 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I've heard of these letters Christians talk about by Josephus and Tacitus which is bull crap since they lived after Christ's death and have never seen him. However, I heard of this guy named Lentulus now. He is said to have been a member of the Roman council and lived enough to see Jesus. The letter has been translated in different descriptions, but here's one of the manuscript translations.

"Lentulus, the Governor of the Jerusalemites to the Roman Senate and People, greetings. There has appeared in our times, and there still lives, a man of great power (virtue), called Jesus Christ. The people call him prophet of truth; his disciples, son of God. He raises the dead, and heals infirmities. He is a man of medium size (statura procerus, mediocris et spectabilis); he has a venerable aspect, and his beholders can both fear and love him. His hair is of the colour of the ripe hazel-nut, straight down to the ears, but below the ears wavy and curled, with a bluish and bright reflection, flowing over his shoulders. It is parted in two on the top of the head, after the pattern of the Nazarenes. His brow is smooth and very cheerful with a face without wrinkle or spot, embellished by a slightly reddish complexion. His nose and mouth are faultless. His beard is abundant, of the colour of his hair, not long, but divided at the chin. His aspect is simple and mature, his eyes are changeable and bright. He is terrible in his reprimands, sweet and amiable in his admonitions, cheerful without loss of gravity. He was never known to laugh, but often to weep. His stature is straight, his hands and arms beautiful to behold. His conversation is grave, infrequent, and modest. He is the most beautiful among the children of men."

So my question is, could there be any way this is a forgery or is this somewhat close to a legitimate thing? I don't even know if he was a real person this Lentulus fellow.

There's probably plenty of stuff on this Lentulus guy on the internet.

Instead of listening to the voice of the Lord and learning about who they are in Him, God's people go to the internet to find lies about the past.

Okay, so let's assume for a moment that Christianity is a lie and yet the words of the Bible are true.
The Bible talks about Jesus Christ and endorses all of the doctrines generally believed by Christians.
So why do you believe the Bible but not accept Christianity?

Why do you ask Me questions instead of listening to My voice and learning who you are in Me?

Because I seriously doubt that God actually speaks through you.

Doubting Thomas didn't believe Me either. You will know Me in the next age after I destroy this world at the end of this age.