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Kahvan
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4/7/2010 5:11:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I may be behind the times but I just now realized that GodSands left this site. In that thread it was mentioned how he was run off and how poeple wished for a religious person who would defend his views. I think that I can make some good arguments. So please post one issue at a time to discuss with me. I ask that if you have more than one issue to discuss make more than one post and please be patient as I am not as active as I probably should be on this site.
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4/7/2010 5:22:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
How come in the Book of Mormon it says that there were battles fought in the new world with horses? Horses did not even come to America till the 1500's. There are no bones at all in the land of horses, indicating that the book of Mormon is in fact wrong.
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Kahvan
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4/7/2010 5:24:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 5:22:05 AM, Koopin wrote:
How come in the Book of Mormon it says that there were battles fought in the new world with horses? Horses did not even come to America till the 1500's. There are no bones at all in the land of horses, indicating that the book of Mormon is in fact wrong.

Would you provide the scriptural reference so that I can read what you are reading and come up with an effiecient answer? :)
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4/7/2010 5:38:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 5:22:05 AM, Koopin wrote:
There are no bones at all in the land of horses, indicating that the book of Mormon is in fact wrong.

Horses returned to the Americas with Columbus. North America had its own equine genera, though they had become extinct, the last around 11 000 years ago.
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4/7/2010 5:50:32 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Qu.1 If divinely inspired, why the textual changes through the editions?

Qu.2 You are aware a fair bit is copied from other sources right? :P
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4/7/2010 6:31:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
You can't defend the Abramic God.

It's thats simple.

If DATCOMTO leaves you won't have a Chistian to make fun of every day.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
Marauder
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4/7/2010 7:05:47 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 5:50:32 AM, Puck wrote:
Qu.1 If divinely inspired, why the textual changes through the editions?

I asked my pasture that once about the differences in the Gosples. he said that I was aurguing the difference between divenly inspired and divinly possesed.

if the holy spirit is credited with writing the books in the sense of he wispered each word in the writers ears, then thats diven possesion witch some christians are prepared to argue but we methodist are not.
So by divinly inspired, we refer to the drive the holy spirit provides that motivates us to write down something in paticular. and it drives us crazy until we get it out, until we tell as many people in the most effecint way that we can.
But because of that context of time and place remain very important in considering what scripture means.
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4/7/2010 9:08:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 5:22:05 AM, Koopin wrote:
How come in the Book of Mormon it says that there were battles fought in the new world with horses? Horses did not even come to America till the 1500's. There are no bones at all in the land of horses, indicating that the book of Mormon is in fact wrong.

Well done Koopin. Now, can you do the same with the Bible?
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Kahvan
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4/7/2010 9:25:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 5:38:20 AM, Puck wrote:
At 4/7/2010 5:22:05 AM, Koopin wrote:
There are no bones at all in the land of horses, indicating that the book of Mormon is in fact wrong.

Horses returned to the Americas with Columbus. North America had its own equine genera, though they had become extinct, the last around 11 000 years ago.

Thank you
Kahvan
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4/7/2010 9:26:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 5:50:32 AM, Puck wrote:
Qu.1 If divinely inspired, why the textual changes through the editions?
Specifically wich textual changes.

Qu.2 You are aware a fair bit is copied from other sources right? :P
Some of it is the same because the plates that he was translating from had exact copies some of wich were in the bible. Yes i am aware some of it is exactly the same. :)
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4/7/2010 9:26:57 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 6:31:09 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
You can't defend the Abramic God.

It's thats simple.

If DATCOMTO leaves you won't have a Chistian to make fun of every day.

I can defend a god though it depends on the god we are talking about. I view the Abrahamic god alittle bit differently from other religions.
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4/7/2010 9:47:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 9:26:57 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 6:31:09 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
You can't defend the Abramic God.

It's thats simple.

If DATCOMTO leaves you won't have a Chistian to make fun of every day.

I can defend a god though it depends on the god we are talking about. I view the Abrahamic god alittle bit differently from other religions.

Common Christian
Islamic
Jewish
Hindu
Almost all Omnipotent and Omniscience Gods.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
Kahvan
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4/7/2010 9:52:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 9:47:07 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/7/2010 9:26:57 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 6:31:09 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
You can't defend the Abramic God.

It's thats simple.

If DATCOMTO leaves you won't have a Chistian to make fun of every day.

I can defend a god though it depends on the god we are talking about. I view the Abrahamic god alittle bit differently from other religions.

Common Christian
Islamic
Jewish
Hindu
Almost all Omnipotent and Omniscience Gods.

I can defend the god I believe in.
Marauder
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4/7/2010 10:12:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 9:47:07 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/7/2010 9:26:57 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 6:31:09 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
You can't defend the Abramic God.

It's thats simple.

If DATCOMTO leaves you won't have a Chistian to make fun of every day.

I can defend a god though it depends on the god we are talking about. I view the Abrahamic god alittle bit differently from other religions.

Common Christian
Islamic
Jewish
Hindu
Almost all Omnipotent and Omniscience Gods.

Kahvans god is not Omnipotent, it is not a god that can create. it can only rearange existing matter. I think the term for it is it cant create ex-ne-helos.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
Kahvan
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4/7/2010 10:14:23 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:12:50 AM, Marauder wrote:

Kahvans god is not Omnipotent, it is not a god that can create. it can only rearange existing matter. I think the term for it is it cant create ex-ne-helos.

My god cannot do anything, for example he cannot lie. Although i myself do not know what the term is.
Marauder
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4/7/2010 10:14:46 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Kahvan, what created matter before the God was created from the other planet that created our god? What is the name for the God that predates your god and all other planets gods that could create out of nothing?
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
Kahvan
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4/7/2010 10:17:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:14:46 AM, Marauder wrote:
Kahvan, what created matter before the God was created from the other planet that created our god? What is the name for the God that predates your god and all other planets gods that could create out of nothing?

My god has no begining or end. He is the first one so to speak (since we belive that ultimatly he wants us to all become gods as well). The matter he used also has no begining or end. Just as the spirits in our bodies have no begining or end.
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4/7/2010 10:18:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:14:23 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:12:50 AM, Marauder wrote:

Kahvans god is not Omnipotent, it is not a god that can create. it can only rearange existing matter. I think the term for it is it cant create ex-ne-helos.

My god cannot do anything, for example he cannot lie. Although i myself do not know what the term is.

he cant do anything? not even divide the waters of the red sea? stop the sun in the sky, raise a man from the dead? turn a stick into a snake or crocodile?
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
Kahvan
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4/7/2010 10:20:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:18:36 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:14:23 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:12:50 AM, Marauder wrote:

Kahvans god is not Omnipotent, it is not a god that can create. it can only rearange existing matter. I think the term for it is it cant create ex-ne-helos.

My god cannot do anything, for example he cannot lie. Although i myself do not know what the term is.

he cant do anything? not even divide the waters of the red sea? stop the sun in the sky, raise a man from the dead? turn a stick into a snake or crocodile?

lol, sorry, i mean he cant do anything he wants. he does have limits (such as cant lie). but he can do what you just listed.
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4/7/2010 10:20:48 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:17:18 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:14:46 AM, Marauder wrote:
Kahvan, what created matter before the God was created from the other planet that created our god? What is the name for the God that predates your god and all other planets gods that could create out of nothing?

My god has no begining or end. He is the first one so to speak (since we belive that ultimatly he wants us to all become gods as well). The matter he used also has no begining or end. Just as the spirits in our bodies have no begining or end.

so when talking about genisis and what happened 'in the beginning...' what do you say there was? that there was God, our spirits right beside god, and matter? all three seperate and independant of the others in origin?
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
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4/7/2010 10:23:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:20:07 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:18:36 AM, Marauder wrote:

I watched on some show say that the mormons say god was a man on another planet with its own god, and he lived a rightous life like a good mormon is supposed to and became a god himself comeing to this planet. Is that teaching changed?
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
Kahvan
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4/7/2010 10:24:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:20:48 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:17:18 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:14:46 AM, Marauder wrote:
Kahvan, what created matter before the God was created from the other planet that created our god? What is the name for the God that predates your god and all other planets gods that could create out of nothing?

My god has no begining or end. He is the first one so to speak (since we belive that ultimatly he wants us to all become gods as well). The matter he used also has no begining or end. Just as the spirits in our bodies have no begining or end.

so when talking about genisis and what happened 'in the beginning...' what do you say there was? that there was God, our spirits right beside god, and matter? all three seperate and independant of the others in origin?

In the begingin you had inteligences. god organized these inteligences and we came into ... i guess for lack of a better term at the moment, existence. That is as far back as we currently know.
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4/7/2010 10:26:43 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:23:22 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:20:07 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:18:36 AM, Marauder wrote:

I watched on some show say that the mormons say god was a man on another planet with its own god, and he lived a rightous life like a good mormon is supposed to and became a god himself comeing to this planet. Is that teaching changed?

if it is or was a teaching it never reached my ears nor has it reached the ears of other mormons i know.
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4/7/2010 10:28:15 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
what do I need to do to go to hell?
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
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4/7/2010 10:30:46 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:28:15 AM, Marauder wrote:
what do I need to do to go to hell?

heaven-one of the 3 degrees of glory

outer darkness

to us hell is the inabilty to progress any further.

to go to hell if i remember correctly is to not reach the celestial kingdom but it is definatly so if you go to outer darkness.

To go to hell depends on each individual. if right now you know it wrong to kill someone and you kill someone you will go to "hell"
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4/7/2010 10:34:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:30:46 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:28:15 AM, Marauder wrote:
what do I need to do to go to hell?

heaven-one of the 3 degrees of glory

outer darkness

to us hell is the inabilty to progress any further.

to go to hell if i remember correctly is to not reach the celestial kingdom but it is definatly so if you go to outer darkness.

To go to hell depends on each individual. if right now you know it wrong to kill someone and you kill someone you will go to "hell"

if hell is the inability to progress, and I kill someone while knowing its wrong, I will go to the lowest heven forever right?
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
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4/7/2010 10:36:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:34:20 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:30:46 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:28:15 AM, Marauder wrote:
what do I need to do to go to hell?

heaven-one of the 3 degrees of glory

outer darkness

to us hell is the inabilty to progress any further.

to go to hell if i remember correctly is to not reach the celestial kingdom but it is definatly so if you go to outer darkness.

To go to hell depends on each individual. if right now you know it wrong to kill someone and you kill someone you will go to "hell"

if hell is the inability to progress, and I kill someone while knowing its wrong, I will go to the lowest heven forever right?

Maybe not the lowest but definatly not the highest and as far as my understanding goes yes you will be thier forever.
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4/7/2010 10:45:38 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/7/2010 10:36:36 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:34:20 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:30:46 AM, Kahvan wrote:
At 4/7/2010 10:28:15 AM, Marauder wrote:
what do I need to do to go to hell?

heaven-one of the 3 degrees of glory

outer darkness

to us hell is the inabilty to progress any further.

to go to hell if i remember correctly is to not reach the celestial kingdom but it is definatly so if you go to outer darkness.

To go to hell depends on each individual. if right now you know it wrong to kill someone and you kill someone you will go to "hell"

if hell is the inability to progress, and I kill someone while knowing its wrong, I will go to the lowest heven forever right?

Maybe not the lowest but definatly not the highest and as far as my understanding goes yes you will be thier forever.

what does it take to go to 'outer darkness' and what is outer darness like? is there fire there?
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.