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kris1985
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10/8/2014 8:22:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Any hope for peace died when the Oslo Peace Treaty was signed. Today the gulf between us is so wide that peace and co-existence seem to be an illusion. Extremists from both ends reign and their voices stifle those of the moderates. The sooner Israel recognises the right of Palestinians to nationhood and self-determination, the sooner the voice of moderates will be heard.
bornofgod
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10/8/2014 8:28:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/8/2014 8:22:45 AM, kris1985 wrote:
Any hope for peace died when the Oslo Peace Treaty was signed. Today the gulf between us is so wide that peace and co-existence seem to be an illusion. Extremists from both ends reign and their voices stifle those of the moderates. The sooner Israel recognises the right of Palestinians to nationhood and self-determination, the sooner the voice of moderates will be heard.

It is an illusion so don't worry about it. God has planned to destroy this world very soon.
neutral
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10/8/2014 9:41:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/8/2014 8:22:45 AM, kris1985 wrote:
Any hope for peace died when the Oslo Peace Treaty was signed. Today the gulf between us is so wide that peace and co-existence seem to be an illusion. Extremists from both ends reign and their voices stifle those of the moderates. The sooner Israel recognises the right of Palestinians to nationhood and self-determination, the sooner the voice of moderates will be heard.

Nothing stays the same.

The recent decision of Sweden to recognize the Palestinian State is a step in the right direction. The constant fray between the President of the US and Israel is another sign of hope. Each time Bibi reaches into the US elections process he loses credability. The futility of the excursions into the Gaza Strip and the needless suffering they cause with no material effect on the overall strategic situation are telling.

Bibi built his political base on the extremists, but the Nation of Israel is not stupid. Sooner or later, the futility of banging ones head on the wall is clear. Nothing this hard is ever easy.
ethang5
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10/9/2014 9:02:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
The sooner the Palestinians recognise the right of Israel to nationhood and self-determination, the sooner the voice of moderates will be heard.

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Incredible. Palestinians are the ones with the charter which vows to drive Israel into the sea. They refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist, but here is this dweeb claiming it is Israel which needs to recognize the "right" of Palestinians.

Here is my comment.

The sooner the Palestinians and their supporters gain some logic, the sooner the voice of reason will be heard.

Yeesh. Emotionalism doesn't make you right.
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10/9/2014 11:47:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 9:02:02 AM, ethang5 wrote:
The sooner the Palestinians recognise the right of Israel to nationhood and self-determination, the sooner the voice of moderates will be heard.

fixed:

Incredible. Palestinians are the ones with the charter which vows to drive Israel into the sea. They refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist, but here is this dweeb claiming it is Israel which needs to recognize the "right" of Palestinians.

Here is my comment.

The sooner the Palestinians and their supporters gain some logic, the sooner the voice of reason will be heard.

Yeesh. Emotionalism doesn't make you right.

Two points:

#1 - Its HAMAS that claims it will drive Israel into the Sea. Israel makes the same claim in reverse toward Hamas. Interesting that these mutually exclusive claims are only wrong in one direction?

#2 - A vow of peace to stop attempting to destroy an enemy during conflict and under occupation is not something you expect to give up during the resistance phase ... its what BRINGS peace. As in, OK, we'll bury the hatchet now.

Demonizing your neighbors won't help you live next to your neighbor.
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10/11/2014 6:59:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I am a little shocked here - in a forum that is repeatedly heard to be exclaiming 'religion' as the cause of strife - the dearth of responses about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a big quizzical to put it mildly.

There are certainly points here about religious extremism, but there are also points about groups arching across the divide - and how policy and faith interact .. for better or worse.