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The-Holy-Macrel
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10/9/2014 7:31:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
If you need help with your faith or want help in beliving, or just want questions awnsered this is my place to do that.
bulproof
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10/9/2014 7:46:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 7:31:08 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
If you need help with your faith or want help in beliving, or just want questions awnsered this is my place to do that.

Why is your god described, by the book allegedly of his word, as a genocidal, jealous, vengeful, hateful, incompetent moron?
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The-Holy-Macrel
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10/9/2014 7:57:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
For proof check out my debates, and for why that is in the bible is because that is how his endless love is described in it.
mortsdor
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10/9/2014 5:03:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 7:46:56 AM, bulproof wrote:
Why is your god described, by the book allegedly of his word, as a genocidal, jealous, vengeful, hateful, incompetent moron?

At 10/9/2014 7:57:02 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
for why that is in the bible is because that is how his endless love is described in it.

lol
Your saying the Bible describes "Endless Love" as genocidal, jealous, incompetent hatred?

seems like an awkward definition.
mortsdor
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10/9/2014 5:10:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I mean, I don't doubt that somewhere in one of the two tomes it identifies God with endless love...

and we all know that there's ample evidence of him being a childish, stubborn, violent, buffoon....

It's just funny to hear the two competing aspects of the character admitted to at once, much less be said claiming those seemingly opposed set of traits being said to be one and the same thing.
mortsdor
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10/9/2014 6:32:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 6:09:06 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
Remember god isn't a person of this time period, or any for that matter.

In the bible he's often portrayed as reacting in a contemporaneous manner to current events.

like when he reacts to the jews worshiping a golden calf, and tells Moses that he's going to kill all the jews...

then moses changes god's mind, convincing him to only kill about half of them.

this story among others places his thoughts as particular to/changing with time.
Skikx
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10/9/2014 6:37:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 7:31:08 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
If you need help with your faith or want help in beliving, or just want questions awnsered this is my place to do that.

Why would anybody want help to believe in something?
That's like asking to be brainwashed.
Skikx
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10/9/2014 7:02:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 6:40:20 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
This forum is for people who need religous help, specifically christians.

Well, this is a debate website, not a religious guide.

Either way, my question remains. Why would anybody ask for help, and therefore want to believe in something they don't currently believe in?
Asking somebody to make me believe in something is asking to be brainwashed.
JasperFrancisShickadance
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10/9/2014 7:12:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 7:31:08 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
If you need help with your faith or want help in beliving, or just want questions awnsered this is my place to do that.

I am a Christian but I want to hear your answer. Can a Christian be homosexual?
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The-Holy-Macrel
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10/9/2014 7:33:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Technically yes but my opinion on homosexuality is that is against nature but i don't try to explain it because it requires a higher wisedom to awnser that question, so i go with "what would jesus do/think"
mortsdor
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10/9/2014 7:40:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 7:33:26 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
Technically yes but my opinion on homosexuality is that is against nature but i don't try to explain it because it requires a higher wisedom to awnser that question, so i go with "what would jesus do/think"

against nature...
were you aware that sometimes people are born with rather ambiguous genetalia?

are you aware that nature sometimes winds up with people straddling the line between male and female?

It's clear that this occurs with the more explicit, obvious, ends of sex/gender, that is in people's physical parts...
but why couldn't nature similarly wind up creating a more varied landscape of differences in the way that people naturally feel?

also, as to what would Jesus do...
what do you think he would he do/think ?
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10/9/2014 7:45:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I don't want to hurt anyone who was slightly mutated at birth so i am not awnsering that. But i don't know what jesus would do so i get as close as i can.
mortsdor
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10/9/2014 7:48:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 7:40:46 PM, mortsdor wrote:
It's clear that this occurs with the more explicit, obvious, ends of sex/gender, that is in people's physical parts...
but why couldn't nature similarly wind up creating a more varied landscape of differences in the way that people naturally feel?


I don't see how answering the bolded could offend any people who have an uncommon collection of parts.
Composer
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10/9/2014 8:05:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 7:33:26 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
Technically yes but my opinion on homosexuality is that is against nature but i don't try to explain it because it requires a higher wisedom to awnser that question, so i go with "what would jesus do/think"
Well jebus slept with up to 12 men at a time!
mortsdor
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10/9/2014 8:42:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 8:40:05 PM, Double_R wrote:
I just killed a man. If I go to church and confess can I be saved and never have to face punishment?

From what I remember, that's going to be a lot of hail-marys.
also, I'm thinking most priests will probably tell you to confess to the cops as well... to better show that you're really sorry.

Now if you were a priest it'd be best to just say sorry and be done with it... bad PR is bad PR
mortsdor
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10/9/2014 8:44:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 8:42:59 PM, mortsdor wrote:
At 10/9/2014 8:40:05 PM, Double_R wrote:
I just killed a man. If I go to church and confess can I be saved and never have to face punishment?

From what I remember, that's going to be a lot of hail-marys.
also, I'm thinking most priests will probably tell you to confess to the cops as well... to better show that you're really sorry.


Now if you were a priest it'd be best to just say sorry and be done with it... bad PR is bad PR

Granted, I guess this is mostly applicable from a catholic perspective...

also, I don't mean to seem self-righteous, not that i've killed anyone or anything though.
bornofgod
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10/9/2014 9:30:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 7:31:08 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
If you need help with your faith or want help in beliving, or just want questions awnsered this is my place to do that.

Man can't help anyone get faith. Only God can make faithful prophets and saints when He comes into their mind to teach them who He is before He has us write and speak for Him.
bornofgod
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10/9/2014 9:32:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 7:33:26 PM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
Technically yes but my opinion on homosexuality is that is against nature but i don't try to explain it because it requires a higher wisedom to awnser that question, so i go with "what would jesus do/think"

Only God is wise and He uses saints to speak His wisdom. Christians have never been used to speak for our invisible Creator.
FaustianJustice
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10/9/2014 10:38:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Ladies and Gents, considering the topic of the forum post is "Christian Help", might it be possible that the exisistance/good/bad traits we would like to assign to the denomination named could be put into a different more relevant thread?

This particular topic is not asking for a debate, it would be in good taste to leave it specifically for Christians to speak with one another.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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POPOO5560
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10/10/2014 12:33:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 9:30:13 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 10/9/2014 7:31:08 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
If you need help with your faith or want help in beliving, or just want questions awnsered this is my place to do that.

Man can't help anyone get faith. Only God can make faithful prophets and saints when He comes into their mind to teach them who He is before He has us write and speak for Him.

Bornofgod you are the best thing on this site.
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Beastt
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10/10/2014 12:55:30 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 7:31:08 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
If you need help with your faith or want help in beliving, or just want questions awnsered this is my place to do that.

Does God answer prayer?

OR

Does God always do what benefits the greater good?


He can't do both. If you pray for what doesn't benefit the greater good, then God can't do as you request. But if God always does what provides for the greater good, then if you pray for that, God was going to do it anyway.

So does God always act to serve the greater good, or does he answer prayers?
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annanicole
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10/10/2014 11:07:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/10/2014 12:55:30 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 10/9/2014 7:31:08 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
If you need help with your faith or want help in beliving, or just want questions awnsered this is my place to do that.

Does God answer prayer?

Yes, if the prayer is within the confines of the permissible. He will not answer any prayer of an unsaved person, of course, nor will be respond to any prayer by miraculous means. When Jesus prayed, "Give us this day our daily bread", he wasn't asking that manna fall from heaven.

OR

Does God always do what benefits the greater good?


Do? I'm not sure what you mean.

He can't do both. If you pray for what doesn't benefit the greater good, then God can't do as you request. But if God always does what provides for the greater good, then if you pray for that, God was going to do it anyway.

So does God always act to serve the greater good, or does he answer prayers?

I think this question is based upon false (and unstated) assumptions.
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mortsdor
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10/10/2014 11:20:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/9/2014 10:38:43 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
This particular topic is not asking for a debate, it would be in good taste to leave it specifically for Christians to speak with one another.

Given the very name of this site, it is kind of tough to respect a no-debate, no question, boundary, even when you appeal to what would be good taste.

However, for my part at least, I didn't presume to throw my own questions at the OP... Just question his responses/or lack of response.

For example his lack of detailed response to the one question that seemed to be from an actual christian seeking his perspective on christianity.