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Iredia
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10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM
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ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?
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10/13/2014 2:49:56 PM
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At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

My guess, the probability is low that Christianity is correct. More and more Christians learn this, they become atheists. You have to remember that Islam is also a rapidly growing religion and that some of them used to be Christians.
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10/13/2014 2:53:37 PM
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At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

I"m sorry there were no Christians in the world, now there is. How does that work in your new math, of who converts to what? I would say as long as there are Christians in the world that"s a plus on the Christian side. As a matter of fact I do believe the way that works out, that there can"t be a minis on the Christian side. Only Christians, or none as before Christ.
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10/13/2014 9:40:48 PM
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At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

Lots of reasons, Christians take up a (massive) proportion of western populations, so any fraction of this (Christians dropping their religion) is going to make a substance addition to those who are atheists. However, since atheists are a smaller population, those who convert are not going to impact the numbers of Christianity.

There are lots of other reasons but that is one consideration.
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10/14/2014 9:50:51 AM
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At 10/13/2014 9:40:48 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

Lots of reasons, Christians take up a (massive) proportion of western populations, so any fraction of this (Christians dropping their religion) is going to make a substance addition to those who are atheists. However, since atheists are a smaller population, those who convert are not going to impact the numbers of Christianity.

There are lots of other reasons but that is one consideration.

It's obvious that Western populations are mostly Christian but I would like to explore other reasons. Could it be the rise of IT, boredom with Christian rituals, liberalism etc ? Though atheist bestsellers have changed the minds of many Christians I am yet
to see a relative shift in the Middle and Far East.
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10/14/2014 9:54:27 AM
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At 10/13/2014 2:49:56 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

My guess, the probability is low that Christianity is correct. More and more Christians learn this, they become atheists. You have to remember that Islam is also a rapidly growing religion and that some of them used to be Christians.

So on one hand the Christians are becoming irreligious and on the other hand they become Muslims. Why do you think Islam hasn't experienced what Western Christianity is facing?Salman Rushdie, Hirsi Ali notwithstanding ex-Muslim atheists are pretty rare.
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10/14/2014 10:15:25 AM
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At 10/14/2014 9:50:51 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 10/13/2014 9:40:48 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

Lots of reasons, Christians take up a (massive) proportion of western populations, so any fraction of this (Christians dropping their religion) is going to make a substance addition to those who are atheists. However, since atheists are a smaller population, those who convert are not going to impact the numbers of Christianity.

There are lots of other reasons but that is one consideration.

It's obvious that Western populations are mostly Christian but I would like to explore other reasons. Could it be the rise of IT, boredom with Christian rituals, liberalism etc ? Though atheist bestsellers have changed the minds of many Christians I am yet
to see a relative shift in the Middle and Far East.

Because Islam is 13th century Christianity.
Islam needs the reformation and enlightenment in order that it becomes at least as relevant christianity is now.
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10/14/2014 10:27:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/14/2014 9:54:27 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:49:56 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

My guess, the probability is low that Christianity is correct. More and more Christians learn this, they become atheists. You have to remember that Islam is also a rapidly growing religion and that some of them used to be Christians.

So on one hand the Christians are becoming irreligious and on the other hand they become Muslims. Why do you think Islam hasn't experienced what Western Christianity is facing?Salman Rushdie, Hirsi Ali notwithstanding ex-Muslim atheists are pretty rare.

Because I do not think Islam is understood on the same levels as Christianity. Christianity has spread everywhere, has been the majority in many countries, and there are more atheists in countries with a majority population of Christians then there are with a majority population of Muslims (and for a good reason, but I won't get into that here).

With more people understanding Christianity, it has more people that can address the flaws.

With less people understanding Islam, there are less people that can address the flaws (and sometimes there are less people that want to).

If we want more people to leave Islam, we need to have more people that understand it, point out the flaws, and do not have death threats sent as a result.
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10/14/2014 11:12:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

To add to the complexity of this question, another western phenomenon is converts to Christianity among of all people.....Christians. That is, those who considered themselves a Christian, and then at some point have the encounter experience we might call the Born Again experience. They might say something like they had an intellectual understanding of Christianity, and then at some point their belief became personal, or even that they found out that Jesus Christ is undoubtedly a living God.

So on the one hand there are Christians who convert to atheism (or Islam, Buddhism, etc.) and on the other there are Christians who convert to....Christianity. So I would conclude that there is a distinction that can be made within Christianity between those who's understanding of God/Christianity are more personal, and those who's understanding are more intellectual. Someone who's understanding is more intellectual can change their mind a lot easier.
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10/14/2014 11:17:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/14/2014 10:27:22 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/14/2014 9:54:27 AM, Iredia wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:49:56 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

My guess, the probability is low that Christianity is correct. More and more Christians learn this, they become atheists. You have to remember that Islam is also a rapidly growing religion and that some of them used to be Christians.

So on one hand the Christians are becoming irreligious and on the other hand they become Muslims. Why do you think Islam hasn't experienced what Western Christianity is facing?Salman Rushdie, Hirsi Ali notwithstanding ex-Muslim atheists are pretty rare.

Because I do not think Islam is understood on the same levels as Christianity. Christianity has spread everywhere, has been the majority in many countries, and there are more atheists in countries with a majority population of Christians then there are with a majority population of Muslims (and for a good reason, but I won't get into that here).

With more people understanding Christianity, it has more people that can address the flaws.

With less people understanding Islam, there are less people that can address the flaws (and sometimes there are less people that want to).

If we want more people to leave Islam, we need to have more people that understand it, point out the flaws, and do not have death threats sent as a result.
Why would we want more people to leave Islam?
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10/14/2014 11:26:58 AM
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Christianity is predominantly in the west.

The west is more educated/Exposed to a variety of ideas.
in the west, it's unlikely that you'll be killed for turning away from christianity.
and there's more good reasons, I'm sure.
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10/14/2014 11:27:14 AM
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At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

However; most people who claim to be a Christian aren't really. Just like some people claim to be gay because its popular.
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10/14/2014 11:31:57 AM
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now, why do the same things not hold for other religious peoples?

lots of reasons, not all having to do with their religion
(just as the West's relevant characteristics don't hinge upon Christianity)

However, in islam at least becoming an apostate is (according to the Prophet methinks) punishable by Death... so that's a pretty big disincentive to even thinking along those lines, much less broadcasting your lack of belief.
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10/14/2014 11:55:40 AM
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At 10/14/2014 11:17:49 AM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/14/2014 10:27:22 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Because I do not think Islam is understood on the same levels as Christianity. Christianity has spread everywhere, has been the majority in many countries, and there are more atheists in countries with a majority population of Christians then there are with a majority population of Muslims (and for a good reason, but I won't get into that here).

With more people understanding Christianity, it has more people that can address the flaws.

With less people understanding Islam, there are less people that can address the flaws (and sometimes there are less people that want to).

If we want more people to leave Islam, we need to have more people that understand it, point out the flaws, and do not have death threats sent as a result.
Why would we want more people to leave Islam?

I do not. I want people's religious views to be rational and logical. I have yet to meet a Muslim who had rational and logical reasons for believing in a god. In fact, the only form of theist that has come close so far (from those that I have talked to) has been a deist. It boiled down to him thinking dualism was more likely than ontological materialism, and a belief in a deistic god was built off of that.

If people do not have a rational or logical reason to believe in god, then they shouldn't believe, and hence, atheism would be the logical religion.
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10/14/2014 12:05:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/14/2014 11:55:40 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/14/2014 11:17:49 AM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/14/2014 10:27:22 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Because I do not think Islam is understood on the same levels as Christianity. Christianity has spread everywhere, has been the majority in many countries, and there are more atheists in countries with a majority population of Christians then there are with a majority population of Muslims (and for a good reason, but I won't get into that here).

With more people understanding Christianity, it has more people that can address the flaws.

With less people understanding Islam, there are less people that can address the flaws (and sometimes there are less people that want to).

If we want more people to leave Islam, we need to have more people that understand it, point out the flaws, and do not have death threats sent as a result.
Why would we want more people to leave Islam?

I do not. I want people's religious views to be rational and logical. I have yet to meet a Muslim who had rational and logical reasons for believing in a god. In fact, the only form of theist that has come close so far (from those that I have talked to) has been a deist. It boiled down to him thinking dualism was more likely than ontological materialism, and a belief in a deistic god was built off of that.

If people do not have a rational or logical reason to believe in god, then they shouldn't believe, and hence, atheism would be the logical religion.
Wouldn't encountering God personally qualify as a rational logical reason to believe in God?
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10/14/2014 12:10:52 PM
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At 10/14/2014 12:05:55 PM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/14/2014 11:55:40 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/14/2014 11:17:49 AM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/14/2014 10:27:22 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Because I do not think Islam is understood on the same levels as Christianity. Christianity has spread everywhere, has been the majority in many countries, and there are more atheists in countries with a majority population of Christians then there are with a majority population of Muslims (and for a good reason, but I won't get into that here).

With more people understanding Christianity, it has more people that can address the flaws.

With less people understanding Islam, there are less people that can address the flaws (and sometimes there are less people that want to).

If we want more people to leave Islam, we need to have more people that understand it, point out the flaws, and do not have death threats sent as a result.
Why would we want more people to leave Islam?

I do not. I want people's religious views to be rational and logical. I have yet to meet a Muslim who had rational and logical reasons for believing in a god. In fact, the only form of theist that has come close so far (from those that I have talked to) has been a deist. It boiled down to him thinking dualism was more likely than ontological materialism, and a belief in a deistic god was built off of that.

If people do not have a rational or logical reason to believe in god, then they shouldn't believe, and hence, atheism would be the logical religion.
Wouldn't encountering God personally qualify as a rational logical reason to believe in God?

The probability of that person hallucinating, being delusional, etc. FAR outweigh the chances that it would actually be an encounter with a god.

If you have evidence that it was an actual encounter with a god, then it could be considered a rational or logical belief.

No one has ever presented evidence that they actually encountered a god.
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10/14/2014 12:20:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/14/2014 12:10:52 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/14/2014 12:05:55 PM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/14/2014 11:55:40 AM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/14/2014 11:17:49 AM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/14/2014 10:27:22 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Because I do not think Islam is understood on the same levels as Christianity. Christianity has spread everywhere, has been the majority in many countries, and there are more atheists in countries with a majority population of Christians then there are with a majority population of Muslims (and for a good reason, but I won't get into that here).

With more people understanding Christianity, it has more people that can address the flaws.

With less people understanding Islam, there are less people that can address the flaws (and sometimes there are less people that want to).

If we want more people to leave Islam, we need to have more people that understand it, point out the flaws, and do not have death threats sent as a result.
Why would we want more people to leave Islam?

I do not. I want people's religious views to be rational and logical. I have yet to meet a Muslim who had rational and logical reasons for believing in a god. In fact, the only form of theist that has come close so far (from those that I have talked to) has been a deist. It boiled down to him thinking dualism was more likely than ontological materialism, and a belief in a deistic god was built off of that.

If people do not have a rational or logical reason to believe in god, then they shouldn't believe, and hence, atheism would be the logical religion.
Wouldn't encountering God personally qualify as a rational logical reason to believe in God?

The probability of that person hallucinating, being delusional, etc. FAR outweigh the chances that it would actually be an encounter with a god.

Considering the number of medically sane individuals throughout history who believe Jesus Christ is real due to a personal relationship, what do you base that probability on?

If you have evidence that it was an actual encounter with a god, then it could be considered a rational or logical belief.

Isn't that up to the individual to decide?
No one has ever presented evidence that they actually encountered a god.
Why should they?
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10/14/2014 12:26:59 PM
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At 10/14/2014 12:20:26 PM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/14/2014 12:10:52 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The probability of that person hallucinating, being delusional, etc. FAR outweigh the chances that it would actually be an encounter with a god.

Considering the number of medically sane individuals throughout history who believe Jesus Christ is real due to a personal relationship, what do you base that probability on?

Based on the psychology courses I have taken, where you do not have to be medically insane to have such experiences.

Plus, if it is a god, you assume a god exists, that a god interacts with the universe, and that a god chose to have an encounter with you personally. All medical explanations are known to exist, the only assumption is that you have one of the NUMEROUS explanations. Therefore, medical explanations have the least amount of assumptions, making them the most probable.

If you have evidence that it was an actual encounter with a god, then it could be considered a rational or logical belief.

Isn't that up to the individual to decide?

What is rational and logical is not for an individual to decide. It is not logical to believe that 2+2=5. It is not logical to believe in a god without evidence.

No one has ever presented evidence that they actually encountered a god.
Why should they?

If they do not, then there is no apparent difference between religion and bull****. If someone believes in bull****, who should ever take them seriously?
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10/14/2014 12:44:52 PM
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At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

As a person who "fell" from Christianity (and became not atheist, but agnostic, but similarly the same), I think I may know.
There have always been topics of discussion such as homosexuals and such. However, since they are more spoken of today (and less taboo), more people are being informed. More people who have always inwardly believed in rights for everyone (no matter the debate or the discussion in question), have decided they want to do something about it.
We don't "fall" for "atheism". We choose to believe in more solid things. Like the present. I personally want to do everything I can to make the world more equal. I love the idea of peace. When I went to church, I was constantly bombarded with outdated and "traditional" ideas. Such as the inequality of women. Almost every word out of the pastor's mouth offended me.
Being a "Christian", it stressed me out. Daily. The idea of not being attached to a god with such prejudice started to sound relieving to me. Five years earlier I might have recoiled at the thought. This makes me certain that since information about what we're conditioned to think of taboo is really showing people the flaws of said conditioned taboos.
It was a bit recently that I decided to be agnostic. It was blissful for me. I was always surrounded by my own judgement. Despite the bible saying no to judge, Christians are quite judgmental. It was like I could breathe again. I could choose what I felt was right. Religion couldn't restrict me and tell me I was wrong for believing in equality.

No one is the same, so other people who are similarly leaving Christianity (not falling from; more like rising, or taking a stand), not everyone leaves for the same reason. Maybe its personal reasons. Maybe something other.

Also, something has really bothered me about Christianity. Everyone says the only perfect man was Jesus. Even if that was true (I remind you that I am agnostic), that means he would not lie or have bias. He, however, did not write the bible. It was (maybe) men. Who's to say that each prophet who wrote each book didn't put in their own biases? No one can truly say for sure. And that very fact makes me angry when people use the bible (unconditionally and without question) to judge people and make laws upon someone else's life (the most popular ones being homosexuality and abortion).
To me, that seems unmoral. The opposite of what your god or Jesus might have wanted.

That is just my opinion, so please forgive me. That is my extent of knowledge right now so don't be afraid to correct me, if you would.
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10/14/2014 12:45:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/14/2014 12:26:59 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/14/2014 12:20:26 PM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/14/2014 12:10:52 PM, SNP1 wrote:
The probability of that person hallucinating, being delusional, etc. FAR outweigh the chances that it would actually be an encounter with a god.

Considering the number of medically sane individuals throughout history who believe Jesus Christ is real due to a personal relationship, what do you base that probability on?

Based on the psychology courses I have taken, where you do not have to be medically insane to have such experiences.

Exactly what experiences are you talking about?

Plus, if it is a god, you assume a god exists, that a god interacts with the universe, and that a god chose to have an encounter with you personally. All medical explanations are known to exist, the only assumption is that you have one of the NUMEROUS explanations. Therefore, medical explanations have the least amount of assumptions, making them the most probable.

If your neighbor introduces himself to you, you assume that it was a real encounter/introduction. You don't ponder afterwards whether or not the encounter was real or imagined. The assumptions you are making is that God cannot communicate with an individual in such a way that the individual knows it was not a delusion, just like if your neighbor introduced himself to you. And how can you possibly know that?

If you have evidence that it was an actual encounter with a god, then it could be considered a rational or logical belief.

Isn't that up to the individual to decide?

What is rational and logical is not for an individual to decide. It is not logical to believe that 2+2=5. It is not logical to believe in a god without evidence.

You do know for sure that 2+2=5. Do you know for sure that God doesn't communicate with individuals?

No one has ever presented evidence that they actually encountered a god.
Why should they?

If they do not, then there is no apparent difference between religion and bull****. If someone believes in bull****, who should ever take them seriously?

If being taken seriously is based on whether or not I believe that God communicates with individuals, then being taken seriously is not a priority. I had an initial experience with God, but it wasn't until after I heard numerous testimonies from others. They did not provide any physical or scientific proof either. But their testimony, which I could have rejected, coupled with God's intervention is what lead me to ultimately believe.
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10/14/2014 12:48:13 PM
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At 10/14/2014 12:26:59 PM, SNP1 wrote:


What is rational and logical is not for an individual to decide. It is not logical to believe that 2+2=5. It is not logical to believe in a god without evidence.

That 2+2=4
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10/14/2014 1:08:27 PM
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At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

Christianity is a very old religion and obviously has many irrational concepts of the past. Thais the reason why many Christians become atheists.
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10/14/2014 1:14:22 PM
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At 10/13/2014 2:49:56 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

You have to remember that Islam is also a rapidly growing religion and that some of them used to be Christians.

Christianity is a very old religion and yes has many irrational concepts.
The shift towards Islam also has a political aspect. We know uncle Sam needs jihad fighters and radical Islam in middle east and central Asia to counter communism amd leftist movements. And then the rest of story is easy to predict. Religion and governemnt support.
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10/14/2014 1:23:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/14/2014 1:14:22 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:49:56 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

You have to remember that Islam is also a rapidly growing religion and that some of them used to be Christians.

Christianity is a very old religion and yes has many irrational concepts.
The shift towards Islam also has a political aspect. We know uncle Sam needs jihad fighters and radical Islam in middle east and central Asia to counter communism amd leftist movements. And then the rest of story is easy to predict. Religion and governemnt support.

Any evidence for this claim?
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10/14/2014 1:30:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/14/2014 12:45:43 PM, RoderickSpode wrote:
At 10/14/2014 12:26:59 PM, SNP1 wrote:
Based on the psychology courses I have taken, where you do not have to be medically insane to have such experiences.

Exactly what experiences are you talking about?

Thinking you encounter a god.

Plus, if it is a god, you assume a god exists, that a god interacts with the universe, and that a god chose to have an encounter with you personally. All medical explanations are known to exist, the only assumption is that you have one of the NUMEROUS explanations. Therefore, medical explanations have the least amount of assumptions, making them the most probable.

If your neighbor introduces himself to you, you assume that it was a real encounter/introduction. You don't ponder afterwards whether or not the encounter was real or imagined. The assumptions you are making is that God cannot communicate with an individual in such a way that the individual knows it was not a delusion, just like if your neighbor introduced himself to you. And how can you possibly know that?

False equivocation. If I really have to explain it, then I do not think this is worth my time (it is obvious).

What is rational and logical is not for an individual to decide. It is not logical to believe that 2+2=5. It is not logical to believe in a god without evidence.

You do know for sure that 2+2=5. Do you know for sure that God doesn't communicate with individuals?

1) You are assuming that there is a god
2) You are assuming that a god, if there is one, can communicate.
3) You are assuming that a god, if there is one, does communicate.

The chances of it not being a god FAR outweigh the chances that it is.

If they do not, then there is no apparent difference between religion and bull****. If someone believes in bull****, who should ever take them seriously?

If being taken seriously is based on whether or not I believe that God communicates with individuals, then being taken seriously is not a priority. I had an initial experience with God, but it wasn't until after I heard numerous testimonies from others. They did not provide any physical or scientific proof either. But their testimony, which I could have rejected, coupled with God's intervention is what lead me to ultimately believe.

No, I said that if you hold beliefs that influence your life decisions, with no evidence to back up those beliefs, why should people take you seriously?

Tell me. How can you tell the difference between religion and bull**** if there is no evidence?

Also, you simply admitted to confirmation bias for your beliefs. It isn't that impressive. Again, the chances of there being a god would, even in that situation, is extremely low.
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10/15/2014 1:11:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/14/2014 1:23:34 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/14/2014 1:14:22 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:49:56 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

You have to remember that Islam is also a rapidly growing religion and that some of them used to be Christians.

Christianity is a very old religion and yes has many irrational concepts.
The shift towards Islam also has a political aspect. We know uncle Sam needs jihad fighters and radical Islam in middle east and central Asia to counter communism amd leftist movements. And then the rest of story is easy to predict. Religion and governemnt support.

Any evidence for this claim?

I suppose you are talking about evidence of the political aspect. Uncle Sam did support al Qaeda in Libya and admitted it. Taliban and al Qaeda both are fighting against Assad regime in Syria. Guess who benefits most from it. Saudi Arabia during the soviet afghan war increased oil output to damage the soviet economy. Saudi Arabia also has a fundamentalist government and supported by the US. Then there is the separatist movements Chechnya, Xinjiang, Tibet which known to be supported by Uncle Sam. Where do these rebels take refuge? In which countries. Recently many might have noticed that fighters from western countries under the leadership of al Qaeda also fight around Afghanistan. Nazis are also being supported in Ukraine by uncle Sam. The track record of uncle Sam shows that it is in love with right wing forces.
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10/15/2014 1:21:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/14/2014 1:23:34 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/14/2014 1:14:22 PM, debateuser wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:49:56 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 10/13/2014 2:26:05 PM, Iredia wrote:
ChCk out the demography. Most of the people filling the ranks of atheists nowadays are or were former Christians. Any explanations for this?

You have to remember that Islam is also a rapidly growing religion and that some of them used to be Christians.

Christianity is a very old religion and yes has many irrational concepts.
The shift towards Islam also has a political aspect. We know uncle Sam needs jihad fighters and radical Islam in middle east and central Asia to counter communism amd leftist movements. And then the rest of story is easy to predict. Religion and governemnt support.

Any evidence for this claim?

Many might not have noticed that when uncle Sam supported al Qaeda in Libya, the al Qaeda leadership had no objection . We are talking about the same al Qaeda which says that the US is Satan. Al Qaeda is just a proxy organization of uncle Sam.
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10/15/2014 1:25:51 AM
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I think it's valid to weigh the penalty for apostasy in Islam, against the penalty for apostasy in Christianity.
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10/15/2014 1:49:30 AM
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At 10/15/2014 1:25:51 AM, Beastt wrote:
I think it's valid to weigh the penalty for apostasy in Islam, against the penalty for apostasy in Christianity.

Yes many people don't leave Islam due to apostasy laws. Also in Muslim countries, atheists are not legally recognized.
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10/15/2014 3:04:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/15/2014 1:49:30 AM, debateuser wrote:
At 10/15/2014 1:25:51 AM, Beastt wrote:
I think it's valid to weigh the penalty for apostasy in Islam, against the penalty for apostasy in Christianity.

Yes many people don't leave Islam due to apostasy laws. Also in Muslim countries, atheists are not legally recognized.

If left to many Christians, American atheists wouldn't be recognized either. In fact George Bush Sr., claimed that atheists can't be Americans, because "America is one nation under God". This shows the fascist mindset in the highest office of American government.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire