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is the Quranic text preserved?

POPOO5560
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10/18/2014 10:28:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
As we muslims believe the Quran we have today is the same to the Original Quran the prophet's (may peace be upon him) Quran and for that the Quran makes a unique text compare to others texts like the Bible ( Torah and the new testament...) because the Quranic transmission was controlled text unlike the bible. christain scholars admitting that. but is that so? if the Quran is not preserved im wasting my time believing in something in the first place which not worth believing... so first and foremost we need the text to be intact from changes or corruption...

the Quran we have today (by vast majority of muslims) is the Uthman Quran, Uthman the third caliph, who was a close companion of the Prophet, commissioned a committee to produce a standard copy in 1 text because of that time the new converts (who dont know arabic or familiar enough) had the problem with variant dialects of the Quran it caused confusion... so Uthman produced (with thousands of companions backing him) 1 version of dialect to solve this problem.

from my research i firmly believe without doubts that we have the Uthmanic Quran today without corruption, as some westren scholars accepting it. here this very good debate between James White and Adnan Rashid - Was the Qur'an Reliably Transmitted from the Prophet Muhammad : https://www.youtube.com...

if anyone have any critics regarding transmission or preservation of the Quranic text go a head whether it will be books videos articles or what ever....
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10/18/2014 10:32:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/18/2014 10:28:55 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
As we muslims believe the Quran we have today is the same to the Original Quran the prophet's (may peace be upon him) Quran and for that the Quran makes a unique text compare to others texts like the Bible ( Torah and the new testament...) because the Quranic transmission was controlled text unlike the bible. christain scholars admitting that. but is that so? if the Quran is not preserved im wasting my time believing in something in the first place which not worth believing... so first and foremost we need the text to be intact from changes or corruption...

the Quran we have today (by vast majority of muslims) is the Uthman Quran, Uthman the third caliph, who was a close companion of the Prophet, commissioned a committee to produce a standard copy in 1 text because of that time the new converts (who dont know arabic or familiar enough) had the problem with variant dialects of the Quran it caused confusion... so Uthman produced (with thousands of companions backing him) 1 version of dialect to solve this problem.

from my research i firmly believe without doubts that we have the Uthmanic Quran today without corruption, as some westren scholars accepting it. here this very good debate between James White and Adnan Rashid - Was the Qur'an Reliably Transmitted from the Prophet Muhammad : https://www.youtube.com...

if anyone have any critics regarding transmission or preservation of the Quranic text go a head whether it will be books videos articles or what ever....

Why would it matter? It is, after all, the words of a man who claims that it comes from an angel.
Why would anyone believe him?
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10/18/2014 12:01:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/18/2014 10:32:31 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/18/2014 10:28:55 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
As we muslims believe the Quran we have today is the same to the Original Quran the prophet's (may peace be upon him) Quran and for that the Quran makes a unique text compare to others texts like the Bible ( Torah and the new testament...) because the Quranic transmission was controlled text unlike the bible. christain scholars admitting that. but is that so? if the Quran is not preserved im wasting my time believing in something in the first place which not worth believing... so first and foremost we need the text to be intact from changes or corruption...

the Quran we have today (by vast majority of muslims) is the Uthman Quran, Uthman the third caliph, who was a close companion of the Prophet, commissioned a committee to produce a standard copy in 1 text because of that time the new converts (who dont know arabic or familiar enough) had the problem with variant dialects of the Quran it caused confusion... so Uthman produced (with thousands of companions backing him) 1 version of dialect to solve this problem.

from my research i firmly believe without doubts that we have the Uthmanic Quran today without corruption, as some westren scholars accepting it. here this very good debate between James White and Adnan Rashid - Was the Qur'an Reliably Transmitted from the Prophet Muhammad : https://www.youtube.com...

if anyone have any critics regarding transmission or preservation of the Quranic text go a head whether it will be books videos articles or what ever....

Why would it matter? It is, after all, the words of a man who claims that it comes from an angel.
Why would anyone believe him?

yep examine the Quran what it claims to be. for example if we talk about preservation, it stated in the Quran - 15:9 "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)." now test it.

Another example the Quran was a speech from the Prophet (not in written form), now if we look close in the Quran there are limitless mathematical patterns that couldnt be made from speech. for instence lets look at the word Nuh/Noah in the Quran:

71 is Sura/chapter number of Nuh...28 is the total number of verses of this sura.

71 - 28 = 43 and it is the occurence of the word NUH in the whole quran.

The word Nuh occurs 43 times in 28 suras .

Beetween the sura 29:14, where it is about the remaining of Nuh among his people, and Sura 71 (Sura Nuh where we will hear from him for the last time ) they are beetween them 43 suras.

The name of Nuh occurs for the last time in sura Nuh, number 71. So, how many suras/chapters are remaining after chapter Nuh till the end of Quran?

114 - 71 = 43 chapters
And 43 is the occurence of the word " Nuh" in the whole Quran till sura.chapter 71. But Nuh don"t remained in the 43 last Quranic chapters.

Before sura 29 (where it is about the remaing of Nuh among his people) there are 28 suras.

After sura Nuh :71 (where his remaining is coded) till the end of Quran they are 43 suras.

Thus, the total suras which are outside from suras 29 and 71 is :

28 + 43 = 71 suras outside ".. and 71 is the number of sura NUH.

Sura "The Spider" , number 29, in verse 14 , tell us the remaining of Nuh among his people.
29 x 14 = 406

Sura 71 "Nuh, has 28 verses, and was the last time when we will hear about him in the whole quran: it is his last remaining in the Quran .

1+2+3+......+28 = 406 !!! The same result.

Sura 29 , "The Spider" , in verse 14 , report the remaining of Nuh among his people.

29 +14 = 43 and it is the occurence of the word Nuh in the whole Quran, his remaining in the whole quran.
(taken from - http://www.answering-christianity.com...)

or i love this one about the word "iron":
chapter 57 called- the iron, which is the middle chapter of the whole quran (there are 114 chapters..) now what the center of the earth made of? iron.

chpater 57 has 29 verses. f we multiply the chapter number 57 by the verse number 29, the result is 57 x 29 = 1653.
And if we add 1+2+3+4+5+6+7...........all the way to 57, we will get exactly 1653 too! boom on the spot.
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anyway it goes endlessly... my point is this was speech, and no one can construct it by speech. thats a real miracle.

so if we can find such mathematical patterns in a speech, that makes it a real miracle.
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10/19/2014 2:53:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/18/2014 12:01:19 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 10/18/2014 10:32:31 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/18/2014 10:28:55 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:

yep examine the Quran what it claims to be. for example if we talk about preservation, it stated in the Quran - 15:9 "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)." now test it.

One thing that I've always wondered about the God of Islam is why he would allow the Torah and Bible to be corrupted, but not the Quran. Why wait until the third revelation was revealed to protect it? Why didn't Allah just send down one book and protect that one instead of sending two books first and allowing them to be changed, thereby eventually created false religions and leading people astray? If he didn't protect the Torah and Bible, why protect the Quran? It doesn't sound like something God would do.
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10/19/2014 6:13:39 AM
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At 10/19/2014 2:53:27 AM, a_drumming_dog wrote:
At 10/18/2014 12:01:19 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 10/18/2014 10:32:31 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/18/2014 10:28:55 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:

yep examine the Quran what it claims to be. for example if we talk about preservation, it stated in the Quran - 15:9 "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)." now test it.

One thing that I've always wondered about the God of Islam is why he would allow the Torah and Bible to be corrupted, but not the Quran. Why wait until the third revelation was revealed to protect it? Why didn't Allah just send down one book and protect that one instead of sending two books first and allowing them to be changed, thereby eventually created false religions and leading people astray? If he didn't protect the Torah and Bible, why protect the Quran? It doesn't sound like something God would do.

first of all im not God to answer this question... but we believe in few scriptures.. the Torah of Moses, Gospel of Jesus, the scrolls of Abrahem and the Psalm of David. the Quran claims that God sent prophets to every nation on earth, maybe some of that information they had still exist in some other books like Vedas... every prophet had the same mission that is to worship the 1 true God and follow the commandments, but the commandments slightly differs to each other according to time, place, people,circumstances etc... but the message was the same thing.

now because islam is the end point of that long period of messengers it must be intact without corruption and must be for all of mankind, we believe all the prophets except prophet mohhamed (may peace be upon him) sent only for their nations or tribes it was not for everybody. the last prophet is for everyone universal.
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