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10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM
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Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes. Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule. Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes. There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...
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10/18/2014 11:45:28 PM
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At 10/18/2014 9:00:54 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
What? No atheists out there want to defend their religion?

MYH16 is a gene that produces what is know as myosin heavy chain 16. Myosin is the protein your muscles are made of. MYH16 is almost exclusively in jaw muscles of primates, well... save for human. We have a defective version of the gene, which is likely why we have refined vocal abilities. But this is a problem, if evolution is false because design is true, who would design an organism with a broken gene it does not need? broken geens are expected in evolution they are not expected in design.
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10/19/2014 12:19:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes.
Naked God

Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule.
The way people who don't believe in God are afraid they're not good people because that's what theists claim.

Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes.
And the theists labeled him a "militant atheist" for speaking out against the theist's invisible God who never does anything.

There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...
Evolution is wrapped in the confirmable garments of...
- The fossil record
- Fossilized transitional species
- Living transitional species
- Vestigial organs
- Transitional organs in living species
- Endogenous retroviruses
- Observed cases of speciation (dozens of them)

God is clothed in...
-
(End of list)
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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10/19/2014 12:29:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/18/2014 9:00:54 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
What? No atheists out there want to defend their religion?

Evolution is NOT a religion. Suggesting evolution to be a religion is a sign of severe stupidity. (Sorry, just is.)

The story fits with theism - the belief that you have to believe in God, or else you're "stupid, ignorant, or insane". And if you ask theists (especially the OP), he'll tell you that atheists are "stupid, ignorant, and insane" because we see that the emperor has no clothes. The parallel between the story and atheism places the little boy in the position of the atheist - proclaiming that God has no evidence (the emperor has no clothes).

It's a good story with a good lesson. But one has to understand the story before they can grasp the lesson. And the lesson is that if the evidence which should be there to support an assertion, isn't there, then the assertion is probably wrong. And to continue on as though the assertion is correct, despite the lack of supporting evidence, makes one as "stupid, ignorant, or insane" as the people in the story.

They had no evidence for the supposed clothing, and yet believed it existed anyway. This is an exact parallel to theists who can offer no evidence for their God, yet believes he exists anyway.

The atheists are the one's shouting out that the Emperor has no clothes (God has no evidence). Theists have labeled and persecuted us for our honesty, and continue to persist in their delusion.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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10/19/2014 12:32:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/19/2014 12:19:35 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes.
Naked God

Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule.
The way people who don't believe in God are afraid they're not good people because that's what theists claim.

Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes.
And the theists labeled him a "militant atheist" for speaking out against the theist's invisible God who never does anything.

There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...
Evolution is wrapped in the confirmable garments of...
- The fossil record

Even evolutionists concede that the fossil record is not conclusive evidence for their theory.

- Fossilized transitional species

There are exactly zero confirmed transitional fossils. Many claims have been made though. Remember Piltdown man? An obvious fake.

- Living transitional species

Name one. And how do you explain living fossils? Millions of years and no changes. No evolution going on here. No sir.

- Vestigial organs

Why are there no vestigial organs in humans? We are at the end of the evolutionary tree. We should have tons of them. We don't have any.

- Transitional organs in living species

Confirmed? I don't think so.

- Endogenous retroviruses

Not sure what those are, and I don't have time to look it up right now.

- Observed cases of speciation (dozens of them)

That is not evolution. There are many breeds of dogs. All of them are fertile with each other. Same species. They are merely expressing genetic traits that already existed. No mutations involved. No evolution going on here either. Nice try.

God is clothed in...
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(End of list)
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10/19/2014 12:34:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/19/2014 12:29:34 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 10/18/2014 9:00:54 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
What? No atheists out there want to defend their religion?

Evolution is NOT a religion. Suggesting evolution to be a religion is a sign of severe stupidity. (Sorry, just is.)

The story fits with theism - the belief that you have to believe in God, or else you're "stupid, ignorant, or insane". And if you ask theists (especially the OP), he'll tell you that atheists are "stupid, ignorant, and insane" because we see that the emperor has no clothes. The parallel between the story and atheism places the little boy in the position of the atheist - proclaiming that God has no evidence (the emperor has no clothes).

It's a good story with a good lesson. But one has to understand the story before they can grasp the lesson. And the lesson is that if the evidence which should be there to support an assertion, isn't there, then the assertion is probably wrong. And to continue on as though the assertion is correct, despite the lack of supporting evidence, makes one as "stupid, ignorant, or insane" as the people in the story.

They had no evidence for the supposed clothing, and yet believed it existed anyway. This is an exact parallel to theists who can offer no evidence for their God, yet believes he exists anyway.

The atheists are the one's shouting out that the Emperor has no clothes (God has no evidence). Theists have labeled and persecuted us for our honesty, and continue to persist in their delusion.

Everything you just said could also apply to evolution. There is not one scrap of solid evidence for it. None.
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10/19/2014 12:38:55 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/18/2014 11:45:28 PM, autodidact wrote:
At 10/18/2014 9:00:54 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
What? No atheists out there want to defend their religion?

MYH16 is a gene that produces what is know as myosin heavy chain 16. Myosin is the protein your muscles are made of. MYH16 is almost exclusively in jaw muscles of primates, well... save for human. We have a defective version of the gene, which is likely why we have refined vocal abilities. But this is a problem, if evolution is false because design is true, who would design an organism with a broken gene it does not need? broken geens are expected in evolution they are not expected in design.

The Bible explains this. We were created perfect, but then sin entered into the world. From that point on, we started to get errors in our DNA. This is actually another strike against evolution. If we are really the product of millions of years of evolution, then we would have so many genetic errors we would not be able to survive. Genetic mutations DESTROY the information in our DNA. They do not evolve. They do not create. This is a scientific fact.
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10/19/2014 12:49:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/19/2014 12:34:24 AM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
At 10/19/2014 12:29:34 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 10/18/2014 9:00:54 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
What? No atheists out there want to defend their religion?

Evolution is NOT a religion. Suggesting evolution to be a religion is a sign of severe stupidity. (Sorry, just is.)

The story fits with theism - the belief that you have to believe in God, or else you're "stupid, ignorant, or insane". And if you ask theists (especially the OP), he'll tell you that atheists are "stupid, ignorant, and insane" because we see that the emperor has no clothes. The parallel between the story and atheism places the little boy in the position of the atheist - proclaiming that God has no evidence (the emperor has no clothes).

It's a good story with a good lesson. But one has to understand the story before they can grasp the lesson. And the lesson is that if the evidence which should be there to support an assertion, isn't there, then the assertion is probably wrong. And to continue on as though the assertion is correct, despite the lack of supporting evidence, makes one as "stupid, ignorant, or insane" as the people in the story.

They had no evidence for the supposed clothing, and yet believed it existed anyway. This is an exact parallel to theists who can offer no evidence for their God, yet believes he exists anyway.

The atheists are the one's shouting out that the Emperor has no clothes (God has no evidence). Theists have labeled and persecuted us for our honesty, and continue to persist in their delusion.

Everything you just said could also apply to evolution. There is not one scrap of solid evidence for it. None.

No,no... stop ignoring

Evolution is wrapped in the confirmable garments of...
- The fossil record
- Fossilized transitional species
- Living transitional species
- Vestigial organs
- Transitional organs in living species
- Endogenous retroviruses
- Observed cases of speciation (dozens of them)

The reality is that there isn't a scrap of evidence for creation, and tons of evidence for evolution.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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10/19/2014 12:56:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/19/2014 12:34:24 AM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
At 10/19/2014 12:29:34 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 10/18/2014 9:00:54 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
What? No atheists out there want to defend their religion?

Evolution is NOT a religion. Suggesting evolution to be a religion is a sign of severe stupidity. (Sorry, just is.)

The story fits with theism - the belief that you have to believe in God, or else you're "stupid, ignorant, or insane". And if you ask theists (especially the OP), he'll tell you that atheists are "stupid, ignorant, and insane" because we see that the emperor has no clothes. The parallel between the story and atheism places the little boy in the position of the atheist - proclaiming that God has no evidence (the emperor has no clothes).

It's a good story with a good lesson. But one has to understand the story before they can grasp the lesson. And the lesson is that if the evidence which should be there to support an assertion, isn't there, then the assertion is probably wrong. And to continue on as though the assertion is correct, despite the lack of supporting evidence, makes one as "stupid, ignorant, or insane" as the people in the story.

They had no evidence for the supposed clothing, and yet believed it existed anyway. This is an exact parallel to theists who can offer no evidence for their God, yet believes he exists anyway.

The atheists are the one's shouting out that the Emperor has no clothes (God has no evidence). Theists have labeled and persecuted us for our honesty, and continue to persist in their delusion.

Everything you just said could also apply to evolution. There is not one scrap of solid evidence for it. None.

Define evolution

I want to present evidence but I think it is best to define terms correctly before hand.
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10/19/2014 1:18:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/19/2014 12:34:24 AM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
At 10/19/2014 12:29:34 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 10/18/2014 9:00:54 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
What? No atheists out there want to defend their religion?

Evolution is NOT a religion. Suggesting evolution to be a religion is a sign of severe stupidity. (Sorry, just is.)

The story fits with theism - the belief that you have to believe in God, or else you're "stupid, ignorant, or insane". And if you ask theists (especially the OP), he'll tell you that atheists are "stupid, ignorant, and insane" because we see that the emperor has no clothes. The parallel between the story and atheism places the little boy in the position of the atheist - proclaiming that God has no evidence (the emperor has no clothes).

It's a good story with a good lesson. But one has to understand the story before they can grasp the lesson. And the lesson is that if the evidence which should be there to support an assertion, isn't there, then the assertion is probably wrong. And to continue on as though the assertion is correct, despite the lack of supporting evidence, makes one as "stupid, ignorant, or insane" as the people in the story.

They had no evidence for the supposed clothing, and yet believed it existed anyway. This is an exact parallel to theists who can offer no evidence for their God, yet believes he exists anyway.

The atheists are the one's shouting out that the Emperor has no clothes (God has no evidence). Theists have labeled and persecuted us for our honesty, and continue to persist in their delusion.

Everything you just said could also apply to evolution. There is not one scrap of solid evidence for it. None.

I'll define evolution:

evo"lu"tion noun \G6;e-və-G2;l"-shən, G6;ē-və-\
biology : a theory that the differences between modern plants and animals are because of changes that happened by a natural process over a very long time

the process by which changes in plants and animals happen over time

a process of slow change and development

http://www.merriam-webster.com...

We have evidence of plants and animals changing over time.

http://www.talkorigins.org...

Dinosaurs to birds:

https://www.youtube.com...
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
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Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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10/19/2014 1:29:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/19/2014 12:32:17 AM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
At 10/19/2014 12:19:35 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes.
Naked God

Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule.
The way people who don't believe in God are afraid they're not good people because that's what theists claim.

Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes.
And the theists labeled him a "militant atheist" for speaking out against the theist's invisible God who never does anything.

There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...
Evolution is wrapped in the confirmable garments of...
- The fossil record

Even evolutionists concede that the fossil record is not conclusive evidence for their theory.
And it would be rare to find any theory which is concluded in a single form of evidence. However, the fossil evidence does support evolution, and offers absolutely no evidence against evolution. And when combined with even one or two of the other evidences for evolution, it exceeds mere confirmation. Evolution is one of the most fully evidenced theories in all of science, soundly beating out both gravitation and germ theory for conclusive evidence.

- Fossilized transitional species

There are exactly zero confirmed transitional fossils. Many claims have been made though. Remember Piltdown man? An obvious fake.
There have been a very few hoaxes, and any debates regarding evolution tend to be smothered in only those few. Most creationists can name nearly every single hoax, yet can't name even two fossils which are not only transitional, but transitional to homo sapiens. And yet, there are many.
Including... Ardipithecus ramidus
- Australopithecus anamensis
- Australopithecus afarensis
- Australopithecus bahrelghazali
and
- Kenyanthropus platyops

NOTE: Those are not just transitional, but transitional to homo sapiens.

- Living transitional species

Name one. And how do you explain living fossils? Millions of years and no changes. No evolution going on here. No sir.
The mudskipper is a great example of a living transitional species.
As for "living fossils", I'm not even sure you're aware that you're talking about a figurative name. There are no "living fossils". However, there are several species which are so well adapted to their niche, that there has been little if any evolutionary adaptation over millions of years. And this is not only consistent with evolution, but predicted by the theory. Mutation is driven by random changes in DNA, and the benefit provided by any mutation which occurs. When a species is well adapted, there is little to no benefit gained from mutations, and the mutations fade from the the species over subsequent generations.

- Vestigial organs

Why are there no vestigial organs in humans? We are at the end of the evolutionary tree. We should have tons of them. We don't have any.
There is no "end" of the evolutionary tree. And this is something many theists can't seem to grasp mentally - humans are not the end-all, be-all of species. We're still evolving just as are most other species. That said, we do have vestigial organs, including the appendix and wisdom teeth. Human fetuses also display short vestigial tails which are normally re-absorbed before birth. However, there are many documented cases of human babies born with tails.

- Transitional organs in living species

Confirmed? I don't think so.
Don't bother to think. It won't help you because you work so hard to keep yourself ignorant of what you don't wish to believe. However, among eyes alone, there are five basic stages from a small photo-sensitive skin patch, to a fully developed eye as in a cephalopod (octopus and squid). The basic stages are;
1. skin patch (eye spot) - Still found in euglena
2. pigment cup - Still found in flat worms
3. pinhole eye - Still found in the Nautilus
4. primitive lens - Still found in the Murex (snail)
5. complex eye - Still found in mammals and cephalopods

It's important to note that not only do we see the basic stages of eye development, but that each stage demonstrates functionality in current species.

- Endogenous retroviruses

Not sure what those are, and I don't have time to look it up right now.
Which is one of the reasons you remain ignorant. But an "endogenous retrovirus" (or ERV), is a particular virus which invades the host, and inserts itself into the host's DNA strand. And when they invade the DNA in a sex cell (egg or sperm), they are passed on to the offspring and to all future offspring. Not only can they be identified from ancestor to ancestor, but they appear at the same point in the DNA. And when we look to chimpanzee DNA, human DNA and various other common ancestors, we find the very same virus, inserted into the very same place with in the DNA.

- Observed cases of speciation (dozens of them)

That is not evolution. There are many breeds of dogs. All of them are fertile with each other.
And that is your problem. As long as the child species can successfully breed with the parent species, no speciation has occurred. But in DOZENS of documented cases, the child species can no longer successfully breed with the parent species, constituting a NEW SPECIES. (AKA: They are NOT fertile with each other.)
That's what "speciation" means - the parent species cannot breed successfully with the child species - they are two different species.

Same species. They are merely expressing genetic traits that already existed. No mutations involved. No evolution going on here either. Nice try.
Absolutely incorrect. That's what "speciation" means - no longer compatible for breeding with the parent species. And there are dozens of such examples, from both in the laboratory, and in the field.

- G Kilias, SN Alahiotis, and M Pelecanos. A multifactorial genetic investigation of speciation theory using drosophila melanogaster Evolution 34:730-737, 1980. Got new species of fruit flies in the lab after 5 years on different diets and temperatures. Also confirmation of natural selection in the process. Lots of references to other studies that saw speciation.

- Kluger, Jeffrey. Go fish. Rapid fish speciation in African lakes. Discover. V13. P18(1) March, 1992.
Formation of five new species of cichlid fishes which formed since they were isolated from the parent stock, Lake Nagubago. (These fish have complex mating rituals and different coloration.)

God is clothed in...
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(End of list)
And STILL no evidence for God or creation.
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10/19/2014 1:42:12 AM
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Why do you keep trying? I've watching you reach out to disreputable websites which claim

- That DNA is a code which speaks for a designer. (You lost)
- That Evolution is a fraud. (You lost)
- That Noah's Ark is feasible. (You lost)
- That Intelligent Design is confirmed. (You Lost)

And that's just off the top of my head. Is it possible that you really don't realize that you've made an incredibly poor showing in these debates? I know you dislike me because I've challenged you on every single one of these and more.

But you never seem to learn. You just trot off to the next ridiculously disreputable site, and drag a link back over here and then get your butt (figuratively) kicked again, and again, and again!
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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10/19/2014 1:47:38 AM
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At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes. Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule. Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes. There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...

Maybe you'll find scientific ignorance here in the religion forum where the scientific theory of evolution is completely out of the forums scope. Good luck!
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10/19/2014 3:31:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
From the article linked in the O.P

- "This line of reasoning might seem fairly convincing if not for the fact that many scientists take on an, "a priori commitment to materialism."2 - or at least what they define as materialism. What they really do is take on a commitment to an ultimately non-intelligent non-deliberate cause for everything that exists."

And the reality here is summed up in two words "no evidence". It's not that scientist take some kind of secret oath to rule out anything which isn't non-intelligent and non-deliberate. It's simply that there is NO EVIDENCE for anything intelligent or deliberate behind the workings of natural processes.

And that pretty much refutes the entire article.
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10/19/2014 5:18:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes. Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule. Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes. There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...

Why are you posting this nonsense in the religion section of the forum? This flame bait belongs under science (but you lack the courage) or, more appropriately, consigned straight to the rubbish bin.
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10/19/2014 8:31:05 AM
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At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes. Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule. Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes. There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...

Umm, you DO know evolution is actually real, since we can observe it, right?
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10/19/2014 8:49:47 AM
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At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes. Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule. Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes. There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...

I don't know why anyone would even respond to this troll.
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10/19/2014 8:55:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/19/2014 1:29:53 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 10/19/2014 12:32:17 AM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
At 10/19/2014 12:19:35 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes.
Naked God

Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule.
The way people who don't believe in God are afraid they're not good people because that's what theists claim.

Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes.
And the theists labeled him a "militant atheist" for speaking out against the theist's invisible God who never does anything.

There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...
Evolution is wrapped in the confirmable garments of...
- The fossil record

Even evolutionists concede that the fossil record is not conclusive evidence for their theory.
And it would be rare to find any theory which is concluded in a single form of evidence. However, the fossil evidence does support evolution, and offers absolutely no evidence against evolution. And when combined with even one or two of the other evidences for evolution, it exceeds mere confirmation. Evolution is one of the most fully evidenced theories in all of science, soundly beating out both gravitation and germ theory for conclusive evidence.

- Fossilized transitional species

There are exactly zero confirmed transitional fossils. Many claims have been made though. Remember Piltdown man? An obvious fake.
There have been a very few hoaxes, and any debates regarding evolution tend to be smothered in only those few. Most creationists can name nearly every single hoax, yet can't name even two fossils which are not only transitional, but transitional to homo sapiens. And yet, there are many.
Including... Ardipithecus ramidus
- Australopithecus anamensis
- Australopithecus afarensis
- Australopithecus bahrelghazali
and
- Kenyanthropus platyops

NOTE: Those are not just transitional, but transitional to homo sapiens.

- Living transitional species

Name one. And how do you explain living fossils? Millions of years and no changes. No evolution going on here. No sir.
The mudskipper is a great example of a living transitional species.
As for "living fossils", I'm not even sure you're aware that you're talking about a figurative name. There are no "living fossils". However, there are several species which are so well adapted to their niche, that there has been little if any evolutionary adaptation over millions of years. And this is not only consistent with evolution, but predicted by the theory. Mutation is driven by random changes in DNA, and the benefit provided by any mutation which occurs. When a species is well adapted, there is little to no benefit gained from mutations, and the mutations fade from the the species over subsequent generations.

- Vestigial organs

Why are there no vestigial organs in humans? We are at the end of the evolutionary tree. We should have tons of them. We don't have any.
There is no "end" of the evolutionary tree. And this is something many theists can't seem to grasp mentally - humans are not the end-all, be-all of species. We're still evolving just as are most other species. That said, we do have vestigial organs, including the appendix and wisdom teeth. Human fetuses also display short vestigial tails which are normally re-absorbed before birth. However, there are many documented cases of human babies born with tails.

- Transitional organs in living species

Confirmed? I don't think so.
Don't bother to think. It won't help you because you work so hard to keep yourself ignorant of what you don't wish to believe. However, among eyes alone, there are five basic stages from a small photo-sensitive skin patch, to a fully developed eye as in a cephalopod (octopus and squid). The basic stages are;
1. skin patch (eye spot) - Still found in euglena
2. pigment cup - Still found in flat worms
3. pinhole eye - Still found in the Nautilus
4. primitive lens - Still found in the Murex (snail)
5. complex eye - Still found in mammals and cephalopods

It's important to note that not only do we see the basic stages of eye development, but that each stage demonstrates functionality in current species.

- Endogenous retroviruses

Not sure what those are, and I don't have time to look it up right now.
Which is one of the reasons you remain ignorant. But an "endogenous retrovirus" (or ERV), is a particular virus which invades the host, and inserts itself into the host's DNA strand. And when they invade the DNA in a sex cell (egg or sperm), they are passed on to the offspring and to all future offspring. Not only can they be identified from ancestor to ancestor, but they appear at the same point in the DNA. And when we look to chimpanzee DNA, human DNA and various other common ancestors, we find the very same virus, inserted into the very same place with in the DNA.

- Observed cases of speciation (dozens of them)

That is not evolution. There are many breeds of dogs. All of them are fertile with each other.
And that is your problem. As long as the child species can successfully breed with the parent species, no speciation has occurred. But in DOZENS of documented cases, the child species can no longer successfully breed with the parent species, constituting a NEW SPECIES. (AKA: They are NOT fertile with each other.)
That's what "speciation" means - the parent species cannot breed successfully with the child species - they are two different species.

Same species. They are merely expressing genetic traits that already existed. No mutations involved. No evolution going on here either. Nice try.
Absolutely incorrect. That's what "speciation" means - no longer compatible for breeding with the parent species. And there are dozens of such examples, from both in the laboratory, and in the field.

- G Kilias, SN Alahiotis, and M Pelecanos. A multifactorial genetic investigation of speciation theory using drosophila melanogaster Evolution 34:730-737, 1980. Got new species of fruit flies in the lab after 5 years on different diets and temperatures. Also confirmation of natural selection in the process. Lots of references to other studies that saw speciation.

- Kluger, Jeffrey. Go fish. Rapid fish speciation in African lakes. Discover. V13. P18(1) March, 1992.
Formation of five new species of cichlid fishes which formed since they were isolated from the parent stock, Lake Nagubago. (These fish have complex mating rituals and different coloration.)

God is clothed in...
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And STILL no evidence for God or creation.

I would like to thank you for proving to everyone how ignorant you are. You claimed that the appendix is a vestigial organ. This is not the case. Look it up. This is a classic example of how people like you spout all this supposed evidence for evolution. Another good one is junk DNA. The more we learn, the more it seems clear that there is no junk DNA. All the claims of evolution can be refuted, because evolution is a lie.
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10/19/2014 8:59:34 AM
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At 10/19/2014 12:49:53 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 10/19/2014 12:34:24 AM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
At 10/19/2014 12:29:34 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 10/18/2014 9:00:54 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
What? No atheists out there want to defend their religion?

Evolution is NOT a religion. Suggesting evolution to be a religion is a sign of severe stupidity. (Sorry, just is.)

The story fits with theism - the belief that you have to believe in God, or else you're "stupid, ignorant, or insane". And if you ask theists (especially the OP), he'll tell you that atheists are "stupid, ignorant, and insane" because we see that the emperor has no clothes. The parallel between the story and atheism places the little boy in the position of the atheist - proclaiming that God has no evidence (the emperor has no clothes).

It's a good story with a good lesson. But one has to understand the story before they can grasp the lesson. And the lesson is that if the evidence which should be there to support an assertion, isn't there, then the assertion is probably wrong. And to continue on as though the assertion is correct, despite the lack of supporting evidence, makes one as "stupid, ignorant, or insane" as the people in the story.

They had no evidence for the supposed clothing, and yet believed it existed anyway. This is an exact parallel to theists who can offer no evidence for their God, yet believes he exists anyway.

The atheists are the one's shouting out that the Emperor has no clothes (God has no evidence). Theists have labeled and persecuted us for our honesty, and continue to persist in their delusion.

Everything you just said could also apply to evolution. There is not one scrap of solid evidence for it. None.

No,no... stop ignoring

Evolution is wrapped in the confirmable garments of...
- The fossil record
- Fossilized transitional species
- Living transitional species
- Vestigial organs
- Transitional organs in living species
- Endogenous retroviruses
- Observed cases of speciation (dozens of them)

The reality is that there isn't a scrap of evidence for creation, and tons of evidence for evolution.

LOL!
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10/19/2014 9:09:49 AM
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While we are all born ignorant, it takes a special kind of stupid to not educate yourself about the world you live in- evolution is a fact, as it is literally happening right now. Some may quibble that humans didn't evolve as the evidence for that particular species is not as plentiful as it is for other species, and that's fine, but it's our best guess using all AVAILABLE evidence and knowledge of the world...
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10/19/2014 9:33:14 AM
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At 10/19/2014 9:09:49 AM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
While we are all born ignorant, it takes a special kind of stupid to not educate yourself about the world you live in- evolution is a fact, as it is literally happening right now. Some may quibble that humans didn't evolve as the evidence for that particular species is not as plentiful as it is for other species, and that's fine, but it's our best guess using all AVAILABLE evidence and knowledge of the world...

Evolution is not a fact. There is no evidence that one species can evolve into a new and different species. Recent discoveries in biology and genetics seem to confirm that nature can only work with what it already has. Take dogs, for instance. Some point to that as proof of evolution. It is not. It's called adaptation. Every dog in existence has the same DNA. They merely express different aspects of that DNA. They can all interbreed, so they are the same species. No evolution has occurred. Evolution is a lie. If people could just overcome their brainwashing, they might realize this. Evolution is nothing but a house of cards and, one day, it will come crashing down.
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10/19/2014 9:38:16 AM
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At 10/19/2014 8:49:47 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes. Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule. Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes. There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...

I don't know why anyone would even respond to this troll.

LOL! You just responded to me. LOL!
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10/19/2014 9:39:28 AM
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You are lying or you are completely bone-cold ignorant. There IS evidence of species evolving into other species and the fact that you don't know this says more about YOU and your intentional stupidity than anything else. Don't bother responding as I'm done hitting my head against the table repeatedly (that's a metaphor for me trying to enlighten you, in case you needed clarification).
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10/19/2014 9:40:42 AM
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At 10/19/2014 12:38:55 AM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
If we are really the product of millions of years of evolution, then we would have so many genetic errors we would not be able to survive. Genetic mutations DESTROY the information in our DNA. They do not evolve. They do not create. This is a scientific fact.

So is evolution.
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10/19/2014 9:42:11 AM
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At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes. Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule. Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes. There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...

I am not going to try and show you all the evidence for evolution, since another poster has done so before me(probably much better than I could), but here is a simple question for you that really interests me: Why do you think that this 'lie' was made up in the first place?
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10/19/2014 9:46:19 AM
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At 10/19/2014 9:42:11 AM, KafkaF wrote:
At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes. Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule. Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes. There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...

I am not going to try and show you all the evidence for evolution, since another poster has done so before me(probably much better than I could), but here is a simple question for you that really interests me: Why do you think that this 'lie' was made up in the first place?

Doc Ignorant has no answer to that- he believes all anthropology, chemistry, biology, archaeology, and genetic scientists are either 100% wrong or 100% lying. Doc is a troll, and not a very good one.
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10/19/2014 9:46:26 AM
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At 10/19/2014 9:39:28 AM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
You are lying or you are completely bone-cold ignorant. There IS evidence of species evolving into other species and the fact that you don't know this says more about YOU and your intentional stupidity than anything else. Don't bother responding as I'm done hitting my head against the table repeatedly (that's a metaphor for me trying to enlighten you, in case you needed clarification).

Show me one example.
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10/19/2014 9:49:53 AM
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At 10/19/2014 9:42:11 AM, KafkaF wrote:
At 10/18/2014 1:17:01 PM, Dr_Obvious wrote:
Everyone remembers the story of the Emperor who had no clothes. Everyone who couldn't see his 'invisible clothes' never said anything for fear of ridicule. Then one day a little boy blurted out that the Emperor has no clothes. There are similarities between this story and the theory of evolution. You can read more here. http://www.detectingdesign.com...

I am not going to try and show you all the evidence for evolution, since another poster has done so before me(probably much better than I could), but here is a simple question for you that really interests me: Why do you think that this 'lie' was made up in the first place?

The Devil is the author of confusion. Evolution is in direct opposition to God. What better way for him to deceive people? Evolution isn't even real science because it cannot be falsified. How convenient.
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10/19/2014 9:53:41 AM
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Does the Devil have clothes?
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