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10/25/2014 9:40:58 AM
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So, how did Noah fit all the animals onto the ark? It was not a particularly large boat.
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10/25/2014 9:52:44 AM
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At 10/25/2014 9:40:58 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
So, how did Noah fit all the animals onto the ark? It was not a particularly large boat.

Depends on the definition of 'Kind'. I have yet to see an explicit definition of kind so all the responses are basically meaningless.

The bigger problem is maintaining that many animals with a crew size of 7..... Which for anyone who has ever owned horses, or ran an animal shelter will tell is asinine to suggest that they could be maintained...
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10/25/2014 10:06:38 AM
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From a Quranic perspective, the Flood neither had to be vast, nor the Ark to contain all animal species. The most precise and rational reading of the verses referencing to the Ark and the Flood portray an image of a local flood that punished the people of Prophet Noah, and the Ark containing animals that he found of sufficient use.
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10/25/2014 10:16:04 AM
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At 10/25/2014 10:06:38 AM, Mirza wrote:
From a Quranic perspective, the Flood neither had to be vast, nor the Ark to contain all animal species. The most precise and rational reading of the verses referencing to the Ark and the Flood portray an image of a local flood that punished the people of Prophet Noah, and the Ark containing animals that he found of sufficient use.

Indeed. I'm asking about the biblical perspective.
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10/25/2014 11:12:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/25/2014 10:16:04 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 10/25/2014 10:06:38 AM, Mirza wrote:
From a Quranic perspective, the Flood neither had to be vast, nor the Ark to contain all animal species. The most precise and rational reading of the verses referencing to the Ark and the Flood portray an image of a local flood that punished the people of Prophet Noah, and the Ark containing animals that he found of sufficient use.

Indeed. I'm asking about the biblical perspective.

Oh there are all sorts of theories out there. Some that all the animals were babies and that they "hibernated" for the duration of the flood. There are "super waves" caused by a large mass sliding into the ocean. This would release a massive amount of water into the air an create a wave that could potentially sweep across vast swaths of land. It goes on and on.

I view it in a spiritual / poetic manner. Noah was a prefigurement to Christ. Those who are not on his ark are lost.
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10/25/2014 12:23:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/25/2014 9:40:58 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
So, how did Noah fit all the animals onto the ark? It was not a particularly large boat.

Ultimately, christian theists that still buy the "global flood" tale have only one thing on which to fall back: It was all god...

Without it, they cannot get past things like:

1) The sheer number of animals
2) Food storage for the animals
3) Cleaning up after the animals (though "engineering" could answer it)
4) Hygiene
5) Transportation from indigenous lands (penguins = antarctica...)
6) Carnivore feeding (and protecting prey)
7) Extreme saline level changes killing most sea life
8) Insect infestation
9) Feeding animals after all plant life on earth was destroyed.
10) Delivering all animals back to their respective indigenous lands, again
11) Food and fresh water for 8 humans for a year (not to mention all the animals

And these are just the ones of the top of my head that I can think of. Still, despite having NO reasonable answers for the questions above and many that go beyond them, bible thumpers INSIST that the "global" flood happened. It's just further demonstration that religion, when left unchecked, will remove even the most basic reasoning and replace it with faith in the most ridiculous assertions ever made.
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10/25/2014 5:33:01 PM
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At 10/25/2014 10:16:04 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 10/25/2014 10:06:38 AM, Mirza wrote:
From a Quranic perspective, the Flood neither had to be vast, nor the Ark to contain all animal species. The most precise and rational reading of the verses referencing to the Ark and the Flood portray an image of a local flood that punished the people of Prophet Noah, and the Ark containing animals that he found of sufficient use.

Indeed. I'm asking about the biblical perspective.

But how you explain these verses:
11:40
At length, behold! there came Our command, and the fountains of the earth gushed forth! We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two, male and female, and your family - except those against whom the word has already gone forth,- and the Believers." but only a few believed with him.

"each kind of two.." maybe it was refering eacg kind of animal of that area...

and verse: 71:26
And Noah said, "My Lord, do not leave upon the earth from among the disbelievers an inhabitant.

sounds like talking about whole earth, or if i understood it it refers only to the disbelievers the people of noah and not every disbeliever in general. please if you can explain it i will appreciate it.
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10/25/2014 9:33:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/25/2014 9:40:58 AM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
So, how did Noah fit all the animals onto the ark? It was not a particularly large boat.

That is only one of many problems - any one of which are sufficient to expose the story as fiction.

- Improper ventilation. Ammonia levels would quickly rise leading to pneumonia. Birds are highly sensitive to respirator infections.

- Too few people to maintain the animals. Even a relatively small zoo requires dozens of caretakers, veterinarians, biologists, motorized trucks, antibiotics, electric lights, specialized enclosures, controlled environments, etc.

- A lack of explanation for whales, dolphins, tuna, marlin, sharks and other large marine species who would not survive the climate change, mix of waters, change of current, and vast amounts of sediments clogging the ocean waters.

- Inability to steer the vessel. The key to guiding a vessel through difficult roiling seas is to be able to steer the bow into oncoming waves. The inability to do so would result in waves over-turning the ark. Without hydraulics, a rudder of sufficient size could not be controlled through the efforts of men.

- Wooden vessels in the 300 - 400 foot range have been built, but the larger the ship, the more leakage through the hull. Wood simply isn't rigid enough to maintain the necessary alignment between hull planks. The planks separate under pressure and torrents of water enter the hold. Even with iron bracing - which the ark didn't have - it isn't possible to maintain sea-worthiness without massive mechanical pumps.

- The lack of ventilation in the ark would allow carbon dioxide and methane levels to quickly build up in the lower decks. These gases are heavier than air and would need to be purged by continual motorized ventilation systems.

- Climate change from 40 days of global cloud cover would be similar to nuclear winter. Most of the tropical animals, the people, desert species, mountain gorillas and most of the fishes in the ocean would perish.


Those are just a few of the key problems with the biblical flood story, pegging it - not just as fiction - but plagiarized fiction.
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