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11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org...

The above site explains how the Hebrew perspective is vastly different to the western perspective. It is a useful tool for anyone who does any serious study of the bible and wants to learn about the perspective of its authors.

It also explains ancient Hebrew words and their original meanings.
For example, the word God.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org...

"There are two Hebrew words commonly translated as God, el and elo'ah. When reading the Bible it is better to have an Ancient Hebrew perception of God rather than our modern western view. The word el was originally written with two pictographic letters, one being an ox head and the other a shepherd staff. The ox represented strength and the staff of the shepherd represented authority. First, the Ancient Hebrews saw God as the strong one of authority. The shepherd staff was also understood as a staff on the shoulders, a yoke. Secondly, the Ancient Hebrews saw God as the ox in the yoke. When plowing a field two oxen were placed in a yoke, one was the older and more experienced and the other the younger and less experienced and the younger would learn from the older. The Hebrews saw God as the older experienced ox and they as the younger who learns from him. The plural form of elo'ah is elohiym and is often translated as God. While English plurals only identify quantity, as in more than one, the Hebrew plural can identify quantity as well as quality. Something that is of great size or stature can be written in the plural form and in this case, God, as the great strength and authority is frequently written in the plural form elohiym. The two letters in these Hebrew words are the ox head representing strength and the shepherd staff representing authority. Combined they mean "the strong authority" as well as "the ox with a staff" (a yoke is understood as a staff on the shoulders). "

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From reading the above information, I gather that the Hebrew perspective of "el" (God) is not about a single supernatural man in the sky but is rather about authority and power in general.

In any culture the authority figures are perceived as the leaders. They are seen as the teachers. They are the living and also the dead who have left their legacy behind in their teachings. Those human ancestors who were in authority of any kind are the ones who gave us our beliefs and cultures which continue to be handed down from one generation to the next. It makes no difference what field of expertise they chose. The fact remains that humans believe what their teachers teach them. To question or oppose the basic teachings of the teachers can often result in being thrown out of the field of expertise and if not thrown out, humans leave due to disagreements with one another and not being able to resolve the conflicts.

When it comes to any authority over the universe, "el" must be talking about the power of the universe itself not about any invisible person in charge of it. It is much like saying Mother Nature is the ultimate authority over nature.
Mother Nature and also Father God do not exist as some invisible people or invisible supernatural entities but they are mere personifications of a force and energy which obviously exists.
It is the force and energy which is perceived as the ultimate authority due to the fact that no man can control it. It controls itself and it controls all of the patterns and cycles of the whole universe.
That energy/power is not the power of an invisible supernatural entity any more than the power of the wind is the breath of a supernatural entity. It is a force in its own right. It is created by movement and also causes movement. The power of the universe can be recognized through its own movement, its own actions and reactions which keep the ripple effect going due to all things affecting each other.

Now, IF the first law of thermodynamics is true and energy cannot be created or destroyed, then logically the power (energy) of the universe has always existed and must therefore be perceived as being eternal, indestructible and infinite.
The force of nature or the force of the universe can never be controlled by humans. That is why humans can easily perceive it as being an "ultimate authority" over what lives and what dies since it ultimately destroys what it destroys and also creates what it creates. It does both concurrently. Nature destroys itself while at the same time renewing itself. The cycle is repetitive in spite of the changes in the individual objects within the cycle due to their growth from immaturity to maturity.

That power, force, energy, has been personified and characterized in many ways through myths, fables and fantasies.
Father God and Mother Nature are just two examples of the personification of that power.
They are not supernatural invisible entities. They are nothing more than personifications of the energy of the universe which I personally perceive as being life itself. It includes all we can see and also all we cannot see.

We abide in life (the power and energy of the universe) and life abides in us.

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.
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11/2/2014 9:20:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org...

The above site explains how the Hebrew perspective is vastly different to the western perspective. It is a useful tool for anyone who does any serious study of the bible and wants to learn about the perspective of its authors.

It also explains ancient Hebrew words and their original meanings.
For example, the word God.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org...

"There are two Hebrew words commonly translated as God, el and elo'ah. When reading the Bible it is better to have an Ancient Hebrew perception of God rather than our modern western view. The word el was originally written with two pictographic letters, one being an ox head and the other a shepherd staff. The ox represented strength and the staff of the shepherd represented authority. First, the Ancient Hebrews saw God as the strong one of authority. The shepherd staff was also understood as a staff on the shoulders, a yoke. Secondly, the Ancient Hebrews saw God as the ox in the yoke. When plowing a field two oxen were placed in a yoke, one was the older and more experienced and the other the younger and less experienced and the younger would learn from the older. The Hebrews saw God as the older experienced ox and they as the younger who learns from him. The plural form of elo'ah is elohiym and is often translated as God. While English plurals only identify quantity, as in more than one, the Hebrew plural can identify quantity as well as quality. Something that is of great size or stature can be written in the plural form and in this case, God, as the great strength and authority is frequently written in the plural form elohiym. The two letters in these Hebrew words are the ox head representing strength and the shepherd staff representing authority. Combined they mean "the strong authority" as well as "the ox with a staff" (a yoke is understood as a staff on the shoulders). "

-------------------------

From reading the above information, I gather that the Hebrew perspective of "el" (God) is not about a single supernatural man in the sky but is rather about authority and power in general.

In any culture the authority figures are perceived as the leaders. They are seen as the teachers. They are the living and also the dead who have left their legacy behind in their teachings. Those human ancestors who were in authority of any kind are the ones who gave us our beliefs and cultures which continue to be handed down from one generation to the next. It makes no difference what field of expertise they chose. The fact remains that humans believe what their teachers teach them. To question or oppose the basic teachings of the teachers can often result in being thrown out of the field of expertise and if not thrown out, humans leave due to disagreements with one another and not being able to resolve the conflicts.

When it comes to any authority over the universe, "el" must be talking about the power of the universe itself not about any invisible person in charge of it. It is much like saying Mother Nature is the ultimate authority over nature.
Mother Nature and also Father God do not exist as some invisible people or invisible supernatural entities but they are mere personifications of a force and energy which obviously exists.
It is the force and energy which is perceived as the ultimate authority due to the fact that no man can control it. It controls itself and it controls all of the patterns and cycles of the whole universe.
That energy/power is not the power of an invisible supernatural entity any more than the power of the wind is the breath of a supernatural entity. It is a force in its own right. It is created by movement and also causes movement. The power of the universe can be recognized through its own movement, its own actions and reactions which keep the ripple effect going due to all things affecting each other.

Now, IF the first law of thermodynamics is true and energy cannot be created or destroyed, then logically the power (energy) of the universe has always existed and must therefore be perceived as being eternal, indestructible and infinite.
The force of nature or the force of the universe can never be controlled by humans. That is why humans can easily perceive it as being an "ultimate authority" over what lives and what dies since it ultimately destroys what it destroys and also creates what it creates. It does both concurrently. Nature destroys itself while at the same time renewing itself. The cycle is repetitive in spite of the changes in the individual objects within the cycle due to their growth from immaturity to maturity.

That power, force, energy, has been personified and characterized in many ways through myths, fables and fantasies.
Father God and Mother Nature are just two examples of the personification of that power.
They are not supernatural invisible entities. They are nothing more than personifications of the energy of the universe which I personally perceive as being life itself. It includes all we can see and also all we cannot see.

We abide in life (the power and energy of the universe) and life abides in us.

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

It's impossible for anyone to have the perspective of a Jewish prophet who spoke a language that is unknown to man today. Most people don't understand how much language changes over a long period of time. That's why God had His prophets write in symbolic form that wouldn't change much in the translations of men. The biblical stories can be totally changed without affecting God's ability to teach us saints the deeper meanings of His prophecies.
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11/2/2014 9:59:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:20:59 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

It's impossible for anyone to have the perspective of a Jewish prophet who spoke a language that is unknown to man today. Most people don't understand how much language changes over a long period of time. That's why God had His prophets write in symbolic form that wouldn't change much in the translations of men. The biblical stories can be totally changed without affecting God's ability to teach us saints the deeper meanings of His prophecies.

Humans are not prophets, spokespersons, mouthpieces or voices for any supernatural entities Brad. Those who think they are, are deluding themselves.
Mother Nature has her own "voice" and humans merely need to learn to understand her signs and sounds. She does not need you or anyone else to speak for her in any human language. Neither does Father God. Anyone on the planet can tell a storm is coming when they see storm clouds in the sky or know that winter is approaching when they see autumn leaves fall off trees etc . That "voice of nature" needs no interpretation. Mother Nature speaks for herself. She does not need you or any other human to tell anyone a storm is coming.
No supernatural invisible entity named God did not have any prophets write anything. Humans themselves decide to write what they wish to communicate with other humans who will decide to believe them or not.
The power of communication is within us and we decide to interact with some people and ignore others. No supernatural invisible entity forces us to do it. You have not been taught a thing by any supernatural entity Brad. You are deluding yourself with your own imaginations, delusions and illusions.
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11/2/2014 10:08:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:59:55 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:20:59 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

It's impossible for anyone to have the perspective of a Jewish prophet who spoke a language that is unknown to man today. Most people don't understand how much language changes over a long period of time. That's why God had His prophets write in symbolic form that wouldn't change much in the translations of men. The biblical stories can be totally changed without affecting God's ability to teach us saints the deeper meanings of His prophecies.

Humans are not prophets, spokespersons, mouthpieces or voices for any supernatural entities Brad. Those who think they are, are deluding themselves.
Mother Nature has her own "voice" and humans merely need to learn to understand her signs and sounds. She does not need you or anyone else to speak for her in any human language. Neither does Father God. Anyone on the planet can tell a storm is coming when they see storm clouds in the sky or know that winter is approaching when they see autumn leaves fall off trees etc . That "voice of nature" needs no interpretation. Mother Nature speaks for herself. She does not need you or any other human to tell anyone a storm is coming.
No supernatural invisible entity named God did not have any prophets write anything. Humans themselves decide to write what they wish to communicate with other humans who will decide to believe them or not.
The power of communication is within us and we decide to interact with some people and ignore others. No supernatural invisible entity forces us to do it. You have not been taught a thing by any supernatural entity Brad. You are deluding yourself with your own imaginations, delusions and illusions.

The original writings by God's prophets and us saints aren't known to antichrists like you. Antichrists reject anything that was created by our Creator. They only believe in His illusions that will burn up soon.
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11/2/2014 10:14:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 10:08:52 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:59:55 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:20:59 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

It's impossible for anyone to have the perspective of a Jewish prophet who spoke a language that is unknown to man today. Most people don't understand how much language changes over a long period of time. That's why God had His prophets write in symbolic form that wouldn't change much in the translations of men. The biblical stories can be totally changed without affecting God's ability to teach us saints the deeper meanings of His prophecies.

Humans are not prophets, spokespersons, mouthpieces or voices for any supernatural entities Brad. Those who think they are, are deluding themselves.
Mother Nature has her own "voice" and humans merely need to learn to understand her signs and sounds. She does not need you or anyone else to speak for her in any human language. Neither does Father God. Anyone on the planet can tell a storm is coming when they see storm clouds in the sky or know that winter is approaching when they see autumn leaves fall off trees etc . That "voice of nature" needs no interpretation. Mother Nature speaks for herself. She does not need you or any other human to tell anyone a storm is coming.
No supernatural invisible entity named God did not have any prophets write anything. Humans themselves decide to write what they wish to communicate with other humans who will decide to believe them or not.
The power of communication is within us and we decide to interact with some people and ignore others. No supernatural invisible entity forces us to do it. You have not been taught a thing by any supernatural entity Brad. You are deluding yourself with your own imaginations, delusions and illusions.

The original writings by God's prophets and us saints aren't known to antichrists like you. Antichrists reject anything that was created by our Creator. They only believe in His illusions that will burn up soon.

Any humans writings or markings or drawings are created by humans Brad. Anyone with any common sense knows that.
I certainly hope that your illusions burn up soon. They appear to be burning your common sense away.
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11/2/2014 10:18:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 10:14:52 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:08:52 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:59:55 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:20:59 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

It's impossible for anyone to have the perspective of a Jewish prophet who spoke a language that is unknown to man today. Most people don't understand how much language changes over a long period of time. That's why God had His prophets write in symbolic form that wouldn't change much in the translations of men. The biblical stories can be totally changed without affecting God's ability to teach us saints the deeper meanings of His prophecies.

Humans are not prophets, spokespersons, mouthpieces or voices for any supernatural entities Brad. Those who think they are, are deluding themselves.
Mother Nature has her own "voice" and humans merely need to learn to understand her signs and sounds. She does not need you or anyone else to speak for her in any human language. Neither does Father God. Anyone on the planet can tell a storm is coming when they see storm clouds in the sky or know that winter is approaching when they see autumn leaves fall off trees etc . That "voice of nature" needs no interpretation. Mother Nature speaks for herself. She does not need you or any other human to tell anyone a storm is coming.
No supernatural invisible entity named God did not have any prophets write anything. Humans themselves decide to write what they wish to communicate with other humans who will decide to believe them or not.
The power of communication is within us and we decide to interact with some people and ignore others. No supernatural invisible entity forces us to do it. You have not been taught a thing by any supernatural entity Brad. You are deluding yourself with your own imaginations, delusions and illusions.

The original writings by God's prophets and us saints aren't known to antichrists like you. Antichrists reject anything that was created by our Creator. They only believe in His illusions that will burn up soon.

Any humans writings or markings or drawings are created by humans Brad. Anyone with any common sense knows that.
I certainly hope that your illusions burn up soon. They appear to be burning your common sense away.

Common sense is a phrase used by commonly very confused people who have no idea who our invisible Creator is or how He created them. They actually believe they are creators of their own experiences.
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11/2/2014 10:33:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 10:18:06 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:14:52 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:08:52 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:59:55 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:20:59 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

It's impossible for anyone to have the perspective of a Jewish prophet who spoke a language that is unknown to man today. Most people don't understand how much language changes over a long period of time. That's why God had His prophets write in symbolic form that wouldn't change much in the translations of men. The biblical stories can be totally changed without affecting God's ability to teach us saints the deeper meanings of His prophecies.

Humans are not prophets, spokespersons, mouthpieces or voices for any supernatural entities Brad. Those who think they are, are deluding themselves.
Mother Nature has her own "voice" and humans merely need to learn to understand her signs and sounds. She does not need you or anyone else to speak for her in any human language. Neither does Father God. Anyone on the planet can tell a storm is coming when they see storm clouds in the sky or know that winter is approaching when they see autumn leaves fall off trees etc . That "voice of nature" needs no interpretation. Mother Nature speaks for herself. She does not need you or any other human to tell anyone a storm is coming.
No supernatural invisible entity named God did not have any prophets write anything. Humans themselves decide to write what they wish to communicate with other humans who will decide to believe them or not.
The power of communication is within us and we decide to interact with some people and ignore others. No supernatural invisible entity forces us to do it. You have not been taught a thing by any supernatural entity Brad. You are deluding yourself with your own imaginations, delusions and illusions.

The original writings by God's prophets and us saints aren't known to antichrists like you. Antichrists reject anything that was created by our Creator. They only believe in His illusions that will burn up soon.

Any humans writings or markings or drawings are created by humans Brad. Anyone with any common sense knows that.
I certainly hope that your illusions burn up soon. They appear to be burning your common sense away.

Common sense is a phrase used by commonly very confused people who have no idea who our invisible Creator is or how He created them. They actually believe they are creators of their own experiences.

Why don't you just read the whole of the OP carefully instead of skimming it Brad? While you are at it, try to make some attempt to understand someone elses perspective for a change?
Invisible supernatural creators do not exist. Anything that can create anything else in this universe is completely recognizable.
We can even recognize and understand that fantasies and illusions are created by the human mind and perception not by some mythical invisible beings.
To personify your own thoughts and imaginations and claim you are the creator of the universe and also the only saint on the planet who can hear from some invisible supernatural being is certifiable (officially recognized as needing treatment for mental disorder. )
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11/2/2014 10:48:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 10:33:26 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:18:06 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:14:52 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:08:52 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:59:55 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:20:59 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

It's impossible for anyone to have the perspective of a Jewish prophet who spoke a language that is unknown to man today. Most people don't understand how much language changes over a long period of time. That's why God had His prophets write in symbolic form that wouldn't change much in the translations of men. The biblical stories can be totally changed without affecting God's ability to teach us saints the deeper meanings of His prophecies.

Humans are not prophets, spokespersons, mouthpieces or voices for any supernatural entities Brad. Those who think they are, are deluding themselves.
Mother Nature has her own "voice" and humans merely need to learn to understand her signs and sounds. She does not need you or anyone else to speak for her in any human language. Neither does Father God. Anyone on the planet can tell a storm is coming when they see storm clouds in the sky or know that winter is approaching when they see autumn leaves fall off trees etc . That "voice of nature" needs no interpretation. Mother Nature speaks for herself. She does not need you or any other human to tell anyone a storm is coming.
No supernatural invisible entity named God did not have any prophets write anything. Humans themselves decide to write what they wish to communicate with other humans who will decide to believe them or not.
The power of communication is within us and we decide to interact with some people and ignore others. No supernatural invisible entity forces us to do it. You have not been taught a thing by any supernatural entity Brad. You are deluding yourself with your own imaginations, delusions and illusions.

The original writings by God's prophets and us saints aren't known to antichrists like you. Antichrists reject anything that was created by our Creator. They only believe in His illusions that will burn up soon.

Any humans writings or markings or drawings are created by humans Brad. Anyone with any common sense knows that.
I certainly hope that your illusions burn up soon. They appear to be burning your common sense away.

Common sense is a phrase used by commonly very confused people who have no idea who our invisible Creator is or how He created them. They actually believe they are creators of their own experiences.

Why don't you just read the whole of the OP carefully instead of skimming it Brad? While you are at it, try to make some attempt to understand someone elses perspective for a change?
Invisible supernatural creators do not exist. Anything that can create anything else in this universe is completely recognizable.
We can even recognize and understand that fantasies and illusions are created by the human mind and perception not by some mythical invisible beings.
To personify your own thoughts and imaginations and claim you are the creator of the universe and also the only saint on the planet who can hear from some invisible supernatural being is certifiable (officially recognized as needing treatment for mental disorder. )

Most of God's people do not understand the difference between their Heavenly existence and the Earthly existence they believe is real. It's obvious you don't understand our Heavenly existence.
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11/3/2014 1:02:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 10:48:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:33:26 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:18:06 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:14:52 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:08:52 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:59:55 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:20:59 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

It's impossible for anyone to have the perspective of a Jewish prophet who spoke a language that is unknown to man today. Most people don't understand how much language changes over a long period of time. That's why God had His prophets write in symbolic form that wouldn't change much in the translations of men. The biblical stories can be totally changed without affecting God's ability to teach us saints the deeper meanings of His prophecies.

Humans are not prophets, spokespersons, mouthpieces or voices for any supernatural entities Brad. Those who think they are, are deluding themselves.
Mother Nature has her own "voice" and humans merely need to learn to understand her signs and sounds. She does not need you or anyone else to speak for her in any human language. Neither does Father God. Anyone on the planet can tell a storm is coming when they see storm clouds in the sky or know that winter is approaching when they see autumn leaves fall off trees etc . That "voice of nature" needs no interpretation. Mother Nature speaks for herself. She does not need you or any other human to tell anyone a storm is coming.
No supernatural invisible entity named God did not have any prophets write anything. Humans themselves decide to write what they wish to communicate with other humans who will decide to believe them or not.
The power of communication is within us and we decide to interact with some people and ignore others. No supernatural invisible entity forces us to do it. You have not been taught a thing by any supernatural entity Brad. You are deluding yourself with your own imaginations, delusions and illusions.

The original writings by God's prophets and us saints aren't known to antichrists like you. Antichrists reject anything that was created by our Creator. They only believe in His illusions that will burn up soon.

Any humans writings or markings or drawings are created by humans Brad. Anyone with any common sense knows that.
I certainly hope that your illusions burn up soon. They appear to be burning your common sense away.

Common sense is a phrase used by commonly very confused people who have no idea who our invisible Creator is or how He created them. They actually believe they are creators of their own experiences.

Why don't you just read the whole of the OP carefully instead of skimming it Brad? While you are at it, try to make some attempt to understand someone elses perspective for a change?
Invisible supernatural creators do not exist. Anything that can create anything else in this universe is completely recognizable.
We can even recognize and understand that fantasies and illusions are created by the human mind and perception not by some mythical invisible beings.
To personify your own thoughts and imaginations and claim you are the creator of the universe and also the only saint on the planet who can hear from some invisible supernatural being is certifiable (officially recognized as needing treatment for mental disorder. )

Most of God's people do not understand the difference between their Heavenly existence and the Earthly existence they believe is real. It's obvious you don't understand our Heavenly existence.

It is obvious to me that you have no clue what I understand.
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11/3/2014 2:29:42 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 1:02:47 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:48:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:33:26 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:18:06 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:14:52 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:08:52 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:59:55 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:20:59 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

It's impossible for anyone to have the perspective of a Jewish prophet who spoke a language that is unknown to man today. Most people don't understand how much language changes over a long period of time. That's why God had His prophets write in symbolic form that wouldn't change much in the translations of men. The biblical stories can be totally changed without affecting God's ability to teach us saints the deeper meanings of His prophecies.

Humans are not prophets, spokespersons, mouthpieces or voices for any supernatural entities Brad. Those who think they are, are deluding themselves.
Mother Nature has her own "voice" and humans merely need to learn to understand her signs and sounds. She does not need you or anyone else to speak for her in any human language. Neither does Father God. Anyone on the planet can tell a storm is coming when they see storm clouds in the sky or know that winter is approaching when they see autumn leaves fall off trees etc . That "voice of nature" needs no interpretation. Mother Nature speaks for herself. She does not need you or any other human to tell anyone a storm is coming.
No supernatural invisible entity named God did not have any prophets write anything. Humans themselves decide to write what they wish to communicate with other humans who will decide to believe them or not.
The power of communication is within us and we decide to interact with some people and ignore others. No supernatural invisible entity forces us to do it. You have not been taught a thing by any supernatural entity Brad. You are deluding yourself with your own imaginations, delusions and illusions.

The original writings by God's prophets and us saints aren't known to antichrists like you. Antichrists reject anything that was created by our Creator. They only believe in His illusions that will burn up soon.

Any humans writings or markings or drawings are created by humans Brad. Anyone with any common sense knows that.
I certainly hope that your illusions burn up soon. They appear to be burning your common sense away.

Common sense is a phrase used by commonly very confused people who have no idea who our invisible Creator is or how He created them. They actually believe they are creators of their own experiences.

Why don't you just read the whole of the OP carefully instead of skimming it Brad? While you are at it, try to make some attempt to understand someone elses perspective for a change?
Invisible supernatural creators do not exist. Anything that can create anything else in this universe is completely recognizable.
We can even recognize and understand that fantasies and illusions are created by the human mind and perception not by some mythical invisible beings.
To personify your own thoughts and imaginations and claim you are the creator of the universe and also the only saint on the planet who can hear from some invisible supernatural being is certifiable (officially recognized as needing treatment for mental disorder. )

Most of God's people do not understand the difference between their Heavenly existence and the Earthly existence they believe is real. It's obvious you don't understand our Heavenly existence.

It is obvious to me that you have no clue what I understand.

He saw that you considered him a prime candidate for a mental disorder (which he is), and chose to ignore it, as he has done in the past. His best bet would be an appointment with a good psychiatrist who is free and easy with the psyche drugs. He actually needs to be committed so that staff can watch him and make sure he takes the meds. I'd nearly guarantee that a month or six weeks worth of antipyschotics would stop a lot of his delusions.
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11/3/2014 5:10:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:59:55 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:20:59 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

It's impossible for anyone to have the perspective of a Jewish prophet who spoke a language that is unknown to man today. Most people don't understand how much language changes over a long period of time. That's why God had His prophets write in symbolic form that wouldn't change much in the translations of men. The biblical stories can be totally changed without affecting God's ability to teach us saints the deeper meanings of His prophecies.

Humans are not prophets, spokespersons, mouthpieces or voices for any supernatural entities Brad. Those who think they are, are deluding themselves.
Mother Nature has her own "voice" and humans merely need to learn to understand her signs and sounds. She does not need you or anyone else to speak for her in any human language. Neither does Father God. Anyone on the planet can tell a storm is coming when they see storm clouds in the sky or know that winter is approaching when they see autumn leaves fall off trees etc . That "voice of nature" needs no interpretation. Mother Nature speaks for herself. She does not need you or any other human to tell anyone a storm is coming.
No supernatural invisible entity named God did not have any prophets write anything. Humans themselves decide to write what they wish to communicate with other humans who will decide to believe them or not.
The power of communication is within us and we decide to interact with some people and ignore others. No supernatural invisible entity forces us to do it. You have not been taught a thing by any supernatural entity Brad. You are deluding yourself with your own imaginations, delusions and illusions.

The "humans" that composed the Tanakh (Old Testament) were specifically prophets. It seems you've began this forum with a brief assessment on Ancient Hebrew and then applied your own interpretation to it--which of course does not correspond with the original (and current) Hebrew Scriptures.

G-d is generally referred to in the Tanakh as "Elohim", "El" and "Adonai"--which translates as "L-rd".
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11/3/2014 5:25:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org...

The above site explains how the Hebrew perspective is vastly different to the western perspective. It is a useful tool for anyone who does any serious study of the bible and wants to learn about the perspective of its authors.

It also explains ancient Hebrew words and their original meanings.
For example, the word God.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org...

"There are two Hebrew words commonly translated as God, el and elo'ah. When reading the Bible it is better to have an Ancient Hebrew perception of God rather than our modern western view. The word el was originally written with two pictographic letters, one being an ox head and the other a shepherd staff. The ox represented strength and the staff of the shepherd represented authority. First, the Ancient Hebrews saw God as the strong one of authority. The shepherd staff was also understood as a staff on the shoulders, a yoke. Secondly, the Ancient Hebrews saw God as the ox in the yoke. When plowing a field two oxen were placed in a yoke, one was the older and more experienced and the other the younger and less experienced and the younger would learn from the older. The Hebrews saw God as the older experienced ox and they as the younger who learns from him. The plural form of elo'ah is elohiym and is often translated as God. While English plurals only identify quantity, as in more than one, the Hebrew plural can identify quantity as well as quality. Something that is of great size or stature can be written in the plural form and in this case, God, as the great strength and authority is frequently written in the plural form elohiym. The two letters in these Hebrew words are the ox head representing strength and the shepherd staff representing authority. Combined they mean "the strong authority" as well as "the ox with a staff" (a yoke is understood as a staff on the shoulders). "

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From reading the above information, I gather that the Hebrew perspective of "el" (God) is not about a single supernatural man in the sky but is rather about authority and power in general.

In any culture the authority figures are perceived as the leaders. They are seen as the teachers. They are the living and also the dead who have left their legacy behind in their teachings. Those human ancestors who were in authority of any kind are the ones who gave us our beliefs and cultures which continue to be handed down from one generation to the next. It makes no difference what field of expertise they chose. The fact remains that humans believe what their teachers teach them. To question or oppose the basic teachings of the teachers can often result in being thrown out of the field of expertise and if not thrown out, humans leave due to disagreements with one another and not being able to resolve the conflicts.

When it comes to any authority over the universe, "el" must be talking about the power of the universe itself not about any invisible person in charge of it. It is much like saying Mother Nature is the ultimate authority over nature.
Mother Nature and also Father God do not exist as some invisible people or invisible supernatural entities but they are mere personifications of a force and energy which obviously exists.
It is the force and energy which is perceived as the ultimate authority due to the fact that no man can control it. It controls itself and it controls all of the patterns and cycles of the whole universe.
That energy/power is not the power of an invisible supernatural entity any more than the power of the wind is the breath of a supernatural entity. It is a force in its own right. It is created by movement and also causes movement. The power of the universe can be recognized through its own movement, its own actions and reactions which keep the ripple effect going due to all things affecting each other.

Now, IF the first law of thermodynamics is true and energy cannot be created or destroyed, then logically the power (energy) of the universe has always existed and must therefore be perceived as being eternal, indestructible and infinite.
The force of nature or the force of the universe can never be controlled by humans. That is why humans can easily perceive it as being an "ultimate authority" over what lives and what dies since it ultimately destroys what it destroys and also creates what it creates. It does both concurrently. Nature destroys itself while at the same time renewing itself. The cycle is repetitive in spite of the changes in the individual objects within the cycle due to their growth from immaturity to maturity.

That power, force, energy, has been personified and characterized in many ways through myths, fables and fantasies.
Father God and Mother Nature are just two examples of the personification of that power.
They are not supernatural invisible entities. They are nothing more than personifications of the energy of the universe which I personally perceive as being life itself. It includes all we can see and also all we cannot see.

We abide in life (the power and energy of the universe) and life abides in us.

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

The Hebrew belief of G-d, as taught within the Tanakh, is that he is One and Indivisble. He is indeed "all powerful", and most importantly--single. "El" is actually the singular term for G-d so you're incorrect when you state: "(El) is rather about power and authority in general" and "when it comes to any authority over the universe, "el" must be talking about power of the universe and not any invisible person in control of it".

Evidently you've mistaken "El" with "Elohim" here. El is the singular and Elohim is the plural.

However, when "Elohim" is used it is still describing one whole G-d, on the contrary of taking away His power; "Elohim" defines it.
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11/3/2014 5:32:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
"From reading the above information, I gather that the Hebrew perspective of "el" (God) is not about a single supernatural man in the sky but is rather about authority and power in general.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character."

This poor woman can remake history by merely never paying any attention to historical etymologies and inventing her own interpretations. Skyangle hasn't found out that "EL" was a borrowed religious concept by Hebrews from the Canaanite religious system in which they were embedded. "EL" in the Canaanite language was their name for the planet Saturn and in fact, Canaanite EL shares many aspects of the ancient Greek god Saturn. Saturn was always depicted as a grey-haired Man and as EL Elyon, God Most High, He ruled the Highest of the Seven Heavens above the earth, in Saturn's sphere of the concentric spherical shell heavens above the earth in the ancient earth-centered cosmos systems.

"Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same."

Skyangle is another one of these Gentile egotists who goes around attempting to "correct" Jewish Scripture interpretation with their own Gentile mentalities which in Skyangle's case are noticeably schizoid. She claims to be a believer in God but is obviously an atheist for whom Nature, and the natural world processes constitute her "God". Nature and natural forces are not God or otherwise the whole meaning of "God" is worthless as "supernatural" becomes extinct.
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11/3/2014 8:17:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 1:02:47 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:48:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:33:26 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:18:06 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:14:52 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 10:08:52 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:59:55 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:20:59 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/2/2014 8:35:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Humans may personify it as Mother Nature, Father God, Allah, "EL" or "YHWH" or whatever other label or name they wish to attach to it. The fact remains that the force, energy or power exists and is manifest through its own actions and reactions.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character.
Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same.

It's impossible for anyone to have the perspective of a Jewish prophet who spoke a language that is unknown to man today. Most people don't understand how much language changes over a long period of time. That's why God had His prophets write in symbolic form that wouldn't change much in the translations of men. The biblical stories can be totally changed without affecting God's ability to teach us saints the deeper meanings of His prophecies.

Humans are not prophets, spokespersons, mouthpieces or voices for any supernatural entities Brad. Those who think they are, are deluding themselves.
Mother Nature has her own "voice" and humans merely need to learn to understand her signs and sounds. She does not need you or anyone else to speak for her in any human language. Neither does Father God. Anyone on the planet can tell a storm is coming when they see storm clouds in the sky or know that winter is approaching when they see autumn leaves fall off trees etc . That "voice of nature" needs no interpretation. Mother Nature speaks for herself. She does not need you or any other human to tell anyone a storm is coming.
No supernatural invisible entity named God did not have any prophets write anything. Humans themselves decide to write what they wish to communicate with other humans who will decide to believe them or not.
The power of communication is within us and we decide to interact with some people and ignore others. No supernatural invisible entity forces us to do it. You have not been taught a thing by any supernatural entity Brad. You are deluding yourself with your own imaginations, delusions and illusions.

The original writings by God's prophets and us saints aren't known to antichrists like you. Antichrists reject anything that was created by our Creator. They only believe in His illusions that will burn up soon.

Any humans writings or markings or drawings are created by humans Brad. Anyone with any common sense knows that.
I certainly hope that your illusions burn up soon. They appear to be burning your common sense away.

Common sense is a phrase used by commonly very confused people who have no idea who our invisible Creator is or how He created them. They actually believe they are creators of their own experiences.

Why don't you just read the whole of the OP carefully instead of skimming it Brad? While you are at it, try to make some attempt to understand someone elses perspective for a change?
Invisible supernatural creators do not exist. Anything that can create anything else in this universe is completely recognizable.
We can even recognize and understand that fantasies and illusions are created by the human mind and perception not by some mythical invisible beings.
To personify your own thoughts and imaginations and claim you are the creator of the universe and also the only saint on the planet who can hear from some invisible supernatural being is certifiable (officially recognized as needing treatment for mental disorder. )

Most of God's people do not understand the difference between their Heavenly existence and the Earthly existence they believe is real. It's obvious you don't understand our Heavenly existence.

It is obvious to me that you have no clue what I understand.

I understand that you don't understand anything written in the prophecies.
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11/3/2014 2:26:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 5:32:19 AM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
"From reading the above information, I gather that the Hebrew perspective of "el" (God) is not about a single supernatural man in the sky but is rather about authority and power in general.
It is definitely not an invisible supernatural being who decides to randomly love some and hate others because they believe or do not believe in a supernatural character."

This poor woman can remake history by merely never paying any attention to historical etymologies and inventing her own interpretations. Skyangle hasn't found out that "EL" was a borrowed religious concept by Hebrews from the Canaanite religious system in which they were embedded. "EL" in the Canaanite language was their name for the planet Saturn and in fact, Canaanite EL shares many aspects of the ancient Greek god Saturn. Saturn was always depicted as a grey-haired Man and as EL Elyon, God Most High, He ruled the Highest of the Seven Heavens above the earth, in Saturn's sphere of the concentric spherical shell heavens above the earth in the ancient earth-centered cosmos systems.

"Nature has no favorites. It treats all life the same."

Skyangle is another one of these Gentile egotists who goes around attempting to "correct" Jewish Scripture interpretation with their own Gentile mentalities which in Skyangle's case are noticeably schizoid. She claims to be a believer in God but is obviously an atheist for whom Nature, and the natural world processes constitute her "God". Nature and natural forces are not God or otherwise the whole meaning of "God" is worthless as "supernatural" becomes extinct.

Feel free to judge me and my words as you wish. I am merely sharing my own perspective which you are also free to dismiss as you wish. Any way I look at it God is merely personification of the life ( animating force) of the universe. He does not exist as a supernatural entity any more than Mother Nature does.

Supernatural beings do not exist in the first place so how can they become extinct? They will always exist in fantasy land. Feel free to believe in any or all of them.