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11/4/2014 6:57:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
enturies old monarchy, colonialism and the oppressive rule of their own people have brought about moral and spiritual degeneration of Muslims throughout the world. To retrieve them from this degeneration, it?s about time that the Muslim Ummah restructures its educational priorities along Islamic lines, fulfilling the existing needs as well. By virtue of such an educational program, the future generations will become the torch-bearers of Islamic values and play an effective role in the present world. The challenges of modern times call for rebuilding the structure of our educational program on such a foundation as to fulfil our spiritual as well as temporary obligations. Today we need an education system which can produce, what the late Sayyid Abul A?la Mawdudi said, "Muslim philosopher, Muslim scientist, Muslim economist, Muslim jurist, Muslim statesman, in brief, Muslim experts in all fields of knowledge who would reconstruct the social order in accordance with the tenets of Islam."

The Muslims today are the most humiliated community in the world. And should they persist in following the same educational program as given by their colonial masters, they will not be able to recover themselves from moral and spiritual decadence.
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11/4/2014 7:49:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/4/2014 6:57:50 AM, abdul.basit_pak wrote:
enturies old monarchy, colonialism and the oppressive rule of their own people have brought about moral and spiritual degeneration of Muslims throughout the world.[/quote]

Which is exactly what is expected to occur with religions who cater to selfish, petty gods, the Abrahamic god being one of the worst.

To retrieve them from this degeneration, it?s about time that the Muslim Ummah restructures its educational priorities along Islamic lines, fulfilling the existing needs as well. By virtue of such an educational program, the future generations will become the torch-bearers of Islamic values and play an effective role in the present world. The challenges of modern times call for rebuilding the structure of our educational program on such a foundation as to fulfil our spiritual as well as temporary obligations. Today we need an education system which can produce, what the late Sayyid Abul A?la Mawdudi said, "Muslim philosopher, Muslim scientist, Muslim economist, Muslim jurist, Muslim statesman, in brief, Muslim experts in all fields of knowledge who would reconstruct the social order in accordance with the tenets of Islam."

The Muslims today are the most humiliated community in the world. And should they persist in following the same educational program as given by their colonial masters, they will not be able to recover themselves from moral and spiritual decadence.

It is Islam that is causing most of the problems, you need to create an education system that actually educates people rather than indoctrinating them.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/8/2014 4:08:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Welcome
To an online Islamic education foundation that will provide one-on-one online Quran classes for all age groups throughout the world. You will just need a computer and internet access and our qualified engineers will help you with the initial setup.
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11/8/2014 4:13:32 AM
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Welcome
To an online Islamic education foundation that will provide one-on-one online Quran classes for all age groups throughout the world. You will just need a computer and internet access and our qualified engineers will help you with the initial setup.
you will Interest please contact
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11/8/2014 5:26:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Sorry, but I can't take anyone who starts a sentence with a lower case letter seriously. It reeks of copy pasta.
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11/8/2014 5:36:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/4/2014 7:49:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/4/2014 6:57:50 AM, abdul.basit_pak wrote:
enturies old monarchy, colonialism and the oppressive rule of their own people have brought about moral and spiritual degeneration of Muslims throughout the world.[/quote]

Which is exactly what is expected to occur with religions who cater to selfish, petty gods, the Abrahamic god being one of the worst.

To retrieve them from this degeneration, it?s about time that the Muslim Ummah restructures its educational priorities along Islamic lines, fulfilling the existing needs as well. By virtue of such an educational program, the future generations will become the torch-bearers of Islamic values and play an effective role in the present world. The challenges of modern times call for rebuilding the structure of our educational program on such a foundation as to fulfil our spiritual as well as temporary obligations. Today we need an education system which can produce, what the late Sayyid Abul A?la Mawdudi said, "Muslim philosopher, Muslim scientist, Muslim economist, Muslim jurist, Muslim statesman, in brief, Muslim experts in all fields of knowledge who would reconstruct the social order in accordance with the tenets of Islam."

The Muslims today are the most humiliated community in the world. And should they persist in following the same educational program as given by their colonial masters, they will not be able to recover themselves from moral and spiritual decadence.

It is Islam that is causing most of the problems, you need to create an education system that actually educates people rather than indoctrinating them.

Right, the violent drug war claiming tens of thousands of lives in Mexico, and the highest murder rate being in Central America, its obviously Islam that is the sole problem.

I mean when non-Muslims seize power and brutalize, like North Korean Atheists, that is a problem of politics. When Muslims do it? Its Islam that caused it.

Atheists do seem to be able to muck up the complex wit their simplified explanation of everything - religion causes everything bad. And the solution is ... just to blame religion. Problem solved.
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11/8/2014 5:46:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/8/2014 5:26:03 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Sorry, but I can't take anyone who starts a sentence with a lower case letter seriously. It reeks of copy pasta.

Yeah, must not be because English is a second language.
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11/8/2014 7:10:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
There is no such thing as "Islamic education" as Muhammadism is not a rational system of thought but an ideology of continuous warfare to be conducted by Muslims against all other non-Muslims and against Muslims themselves when there is no other outside target. Muhammadism is an indoctrination and not education as where in our world have scholars demanded people bow down to them and their ideas 5 times a day with death as a consequence of failure to prostrate oneself before three ghost entities, Muhammad and his invisible Man, Allah, and Gabriel. Can add three more invisible deities, the Triple Goddesses, the "high flying geese" who represented the Divine Feminine that is completely lost in Muhammad's all male warlord political ideology masquerading as a "religion" when it never was one, only a war manual for creating mass human robots for the meanest people on the planet.
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11/8/2014 7:14:24 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
And this is TRUTH Muhammadans are afraid to face as they are intellectual cowards at heart, fearful of being without an AUTHORITY to tell them how to think and act. Babies, that's what all Muslims really are, big babies needing a Father to whip mom, and brothers and sisters into line. Not a religion for intellectual growth but a pablum for people who don't want to think for themselves, just want a LEADER to do it for them, even ghosts will do.
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11/8/2014 7:19:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/8/2014 5:46:29 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/8/2014 5:26:03 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Sorry, but I can't take anyone who starts a sentence with a lower case letter seriously. It reeks of copy pasta.

Yeah, must not be because English is a second language.

Well, it could indeed be that the OP merely overlooked using a capital letter.
So I googled "enturies old monarchy, colonialism and the oppressive rule of their own people have brought about moral and spiritual degeneration of Muslims throughout the world. To retrieve them from this degeneration," and low and behold, it has 110,000 results.
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11/8/2014 8:13:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/8/2014 7:19:50 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 11/8/2014 5:46:29 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/8/2014 5:26:03 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Sorry, but I can't take anyone who starts a sentence with a lower case letter seriously. It reeks of copy pasta.

Yeah, must not be because English is a second language.

Well, it could indeed be that the OP merely overlooked using a capital letter.
So I googled "enturies old monarchy, colonialism and the oppressive rule of their own people have brought about moral and spiritual degeneration of Muslims throughout the world. To retrieve them from this degeneration," and low and behold, it has 110,000 results.

And it changes the validity of the post how?

t brings up 1500 BTW.

Number one on the list:

http://www.islamawareness.net...

That would be number one. Ergo, given the posters name, Its likely that he is a foreigner attempting to convey an idea clearly in a foreign language. The point he makes is valid, and gaining consensus within and without the Islamic world.

Its not that you are disagreeing with it are you?
DanneJeRusse
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11/8/2014 8:56:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/8/2014 5:36:51 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/4/2014 7:49:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/4/2014 6:57:50 AM, abdul.basit_pak wrote:
enturies old monarchy, colonialism and the oppressive rule of their own people have brought about moral and spiritual degeneration of Muslims throughout the world.[/quote]

Which is exactly what is expected to occur with religions who cater to selfish, petty gods, the Abrahamic god being one of the worst.

To retrieve them from this degeneration, it?s about time that the Muslim Ummah restructures its educational priorities along Islamic lines, fulfilling the existing needs as well. By virtue of such an educational program, the future generations will become the torch-bearers of Islamic values and play an effective role in the present world. The challenges of modern times call for rebuilding the structure of our educational program on such a foundation as to fulfil our spiritual as well as temporary obligations. Today we need an education system which can produce, what the late Sayyid Abul A?la Mawdudi said, "Muslim philosopher, Muslim scientist, Muslim economist, Muslim jurist, Muslim statesman, in brief, Muslim experts in all fields of knowledge who would reconstruct the social order in accordance with the tenets of Islam."

The Muslims today are the most humiliated community in the world. And should they persist in following the same educational program as given by their colonial masters, they will not be able to recover themselves from moral and spiritual decadence.

It is Islam that is causing most of the problems, you need to create an education system that actually educates people rather than indoctrinating them.

Right, the violent drug war claiming tens of thousands of lives in Mexico, and the highest murder rate being in Central America, its obviously Islam that is the sole problem.

I mean when non-Muslims seize power and brutalize, like North Korean Atheists, that is a problem of politics. When Muslims do it? Its Islam that caused it.

Atheists do seem to be able to muck up the complex wit their simplified explanation of everything - religion causes everything bad. And the solution is ... just to blame religion. Problem solved.

First of all, when the discussion is focused on the subject matter, which in this case is Islamic Education (see title above), points made are usually in regards to it without having to repeat it, thus not insulting the readers intelligence. Ergo, the issues with drugs in Mexico most likely hasn't anything to do with the subject matter, so it puzzles me as to why you would even bring it up as your opening point. Nonetheless.

Secondly, "North Korean Atheists"? The argument from communism has been attempted many times, always leading back to Marx and Engels and their use of organized religion to create the infrastructure for communism.

And, like so many other institutions and departments in other countries that ultimately threaten communism, the suppression of public practice of religions is merely one of them. Yet, you'll find millions of people who still retain their faiths in those countries, despite it's threat to communism. Hence, the persecution of those who try to openly practice their religions.

To say that atheism is the contributing factor of this persecution is missing the entire point of communism.

And, as for politics, there is the separation of church and state that protects the rights of people to openly practice their religion without being persecuted or suppressed, and most likely, you live in one of those countries. If you are a believer, that law is made specifically to protect YOU. It doesn't apply to me at all since I hold no such beliefs.

It is, of course, necessary to follow through on that law in that it also protects my rights to be free FROM religion.

So, if you fallaciously wish to invoke North Korea as your argument, please do remember what rights you have, their origins and how you attained them, just to make sure you put it all into perspective.

And lastly, yes, we do often blame religions for many of the problems of the world, not all of the problems, but certainly those that have been festering for centuries, such as the constant conflict in the ME, for example.

But, it's not just the conflicts we see today, it is something much larger than that.

Remember, religions have been at the forefront of our thought and decision making processes for most of our history, often the controlling factor in many cases. Thus, our societies have originated and been molded by this thought process. And of course, the thought process referred is none other than the belief system. It is only in the last few centuries societies have begun to incorporate rational, logical thinking into how they operate.

For the believer, this is the destruction of their theocratic society. The conflict continues with religion being the cause.

Problem not solved.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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11/8/2014 9:41:21 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/8/2014 8:56:21 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/8/2014 5:36:51 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/4/2014 7:49:37 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/4/2014 6:57:50 AM, abdul.basit_pak wrote:
enturies old monarchy, colonialism and the oppressive rule of their own people have brought about moral and spiritual degeneration of Muslims throughout the world.[/quote]

Which is exactly what is expected to occur with religions who cater to selfish, petty gods, the Abrahamic god being one of the worst.

To retrieve them from this degeneration, it?s about time that the Muslim Ummah restructures its educational priorities along Islamic lines, fulfilling the existing needs as well. By virtue of such an educational program, the future generations will become the torch-bearers of Islamic values and play an effective role in the present world. The challenges of modern times call for rebuilding the structure of our educational program on such a foundation as to fulfil our spiritual as well as temporary obligations. Today we need an education system which can produce, what the late Sayyid Abul A?la Mawdudi said, "Muslim philosopher, Muslim scientist, Muslim economist, Muslim jurist, Muslim statesman, in brief, Muslim experts in all fields of knowledge who would reconstruct the social order in accordance with the tenets of Islam."

The Muslims today are the most humiliated community in the world. And should they persist in following the same educational program as given by their colonial masters, they will not be able to recover themselves from moral and spiritual decadence.

It is Islam that is causing most of the problems, you need to create an education system that actually educates people rather than indoctrinating them.

Right, the violent drug war claiming tens of thousands of lives in Mexico, and the highest murder rate being in Central America, its obviously Islam that is the sole problem.

I mean when non-Muslims seize power and brutalize, like North Korean Atheists, that is a problem of politics. When Muslims do it? Its Islam that caused it.

Atheists do seem to be able to muck up the complex wit their simplified explanation of everything - religion causes everything bad. And the solution is ... just to blame religion. Problem solved.

First of all, when the discussion is focused on the subject matter, which in this case is Islamic Education (see title above), points made are usually in regards to it without having to repeat it, thus not insulting the readers intelligence. Ergo, the issues with drugs in Mexico most likely hasn't anything to do with the subject matter, so it puzzles me as to why you would even bring it up as your opening point. Nonetheless.

Secondly, "North Korean Atheists"? The argument from communism has been attempted many times, always leading back to Marx and Engels and their use of organized religion to create the infrastructure for communism.

And, like so many other institutions and departments in other countries that ultimately threaten communism, the suppression of public practice of religions is merely one of them. Yet, you'll find millions of people who still retain their faiths in those countries, despite it's threat to communism. Hence, the persecution of those who try to openly practice their religions.

To say that atheism is the contributing factor of this persecution is missing the entire point of communism.

And, as for politics, there is the separation of church and state that protects the rights of people to openly practice their religion without being persecuted or suppressed, and most likely, you live in one of those countries. If you are a believer, that law is made specifically to protect YOU. It doesn't apply to me at all since I hold no such beliefs.

It is, of course, necessary to follow through on that law in that it also protects my rights to be free FROM religion.

So, if you fallaciously wish to invoke North Korea as your argument, please do remember what rights you have, their origins and how you attained them, just to make sure you put it all into perspective.

And lastly, yes, we do often blame religions for many of the problems of the world, not all of the problems, but certainly those that have been festering for centuries, such as the constant conflict in the ME, for example.

But, it's not just the conflicts we see today, it is something much larger than that.

Remember, religions have been at the forefront of our thought and decision making processes for most of our history, often the controlling factor in many cases. Thus, our societies have originated and been molded by this thought process. And of course, the thought process referred is none other than the belief system. It is only in the last few centuries societies have begun to incorporate rational, logical thinking into how they operate.

For the believer, this is the destruction of their theocratic society. The conflict continues with religion being the cause.

Problem not solved.

o your entire argument to insult the intelligence of other people, be snide and condescending, assume a mantel of superiority, and then pointedly ignore, indeed fail to realize, that the reference to drug wars in Mexico that have claimed tens of thousands of lives, where people are skinned alive and burned in vats of acid (as opposed to merely beheaded), and where Central America has birthed Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) and produced the WORLD'S highest murder rate. All without little old Islam. A point you could not grasp but found petty enough to wax about the intelligence of others?

But by all means, feel free to give some of the non-bigoted insight about Saudi Clerics raising madrasa's in the Afghan Tribal belt ... where the alternative school system was non-existent and the governance corrupt and brutal? Boy o boy, those Muslim missionaries wishing to teach kids a robust education including the Koran. Why the Soviet Invasion had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the radicalization of the situation. I mean if million Americans were brutally killed by a foreign invader while ripping our country apart, I'll bet the root cause of the issue would be Catholic Schools and their educational system?

One could also demonstrate knowledge of tribalism, which you see clearly reflected in in Syria and Iraq, where, exactly as the OP suggests, repeated governments have stoked discontent by pitting haves and haves not against one another to maintain power through imbalance? Wasn't it Abe Lincoln who stated a house divided against itself cannot stand? What an idiot that guy was!

So when you are done with Bill Maher bigot routine and wish to actually discuss religion and education and find solutions rather than castigation, feel free to join an actual discussion.

But I am glad to see yet another atheist just take his supposed superiority for granted. Pride often preceeds the fall.
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11/8/2014 11:47:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/8/2014 9:41:21 AM, neutral wrote:

o your entire argument to insult the intelligence of other people, be snide and condescending, assume a mantel of superiority, and then pointedly ignore, indeed fail to realize, that the reference to drug wars in Mexico that have claimed tens of thousands of lives, where people are skinned alive and burned in vats of acid (as opposed to merely beheaded), and where Central America has birthed Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) and produced the WORLD'S highest murder rate. All without little old Islam. A point you could not grasp but found petty enough to wax about the intelligence of others?

Your reference is a fallacy, it is a Red Herring supporting a Strawman argument. It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

But by all means, feel free to give some of the non-bigoted insight about Saudi Clerics raising madrasa's in the Afghan Tribal belt ... where the alternative school system was non-existent and the governance corrupt and brutal? Boy o boy, those Muslim missionaries wishing to teach kids a robust education including the Koran. Why the Soviet Invasion had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the radicalization of the situation. I mean if million Americans were brutally killed by a foreign invader while ripping our country apart, I'll bet the root cause of the issue would be Catholic Schools and their educational system?

One could also demonstrate knowledge of tribalism, which you see clearly reflected in in Syria and Iraq, where, exactly as the OP suggests, repeated governments have stoked discontent by pitting haves and haves not against one another to maintain power through imbalance? Wasn't it Abe Lincoln who stated a house divided against itself cannot stand? What an idiot that guy was!

So when you are done with Bill Maher bigot routine and wish to actually discuss religion and education and find solutions rather than castigation, feel free to join an actual discussion.

But I am glad to see yet another atheist just take his supposed superiority for granted. Pride often preceeds the fall.

Thank you for the ad hominem attacks, coupled with your other fallacies shows you have no argument and are just desperately tossing out anything hoping it sticks.

Sorry, doesn't work that way, try sticking to the subject matter.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth